San Diego Tribune Did a 3 Round Mock Draft

[RaineV1]

You can see it here: http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/2016/feb/03/2016-nfl-mock-draft-bosa-tunsil-three-rounds/

They had the Ravens taking VH3 in the first, Noah Spence in the second, and Kyle Murphy (LT from Stanford) in the third.

[PurpleCity5]

This is really good. I was, and still am a big Vernon Hargreaves fan. Boy, would I love Noah Spence in the 2nd round. 

[edthehead]

now looking at this mock,

the 1st thing I notice is TREAD was taken at 7,to S.F

many people here say he is valued at 12 - 15, spence will go in the 1st round also.

I would take Tread over hargreaves,

 

[443hurricane]

5 hours ago, RaineV1 said:

You can see it here: http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/2016/feb/03/2016-nfl-mock-draft-bosa-tunsil-three-rounds/

They had the Ravens taking VH3 in the first, Noah Spence in the second, and Kyle Murphy (LT from Stanford) in the third.

spence bombed the senior bowl interviews could push him to 2nd or 3rd round.

[52520Andrew]

6 hours ago, PurpleCity5 said:

This is really good. I was, and still am a big Vernon Hargreaves fan. Boy, would I love Noah Spence in the 2nd round. 

Spence is the next Von Miller apparently so we would be lucky if he fell to 6th.

[Valid1]

Spence would be a good pick at 6, better than Hargreaves. He's worth the risk of an undersized guy with light hands when you see the Speed and strength he has. The dream of Spence in the 2nd round died at the senior bowl. 

[L.A.Ravens]

I see us trading back and taking either Alexander from Clemson or Reggie Ragland from Alabama. Hopefully we trade with the Rams for both of there 2nd round picks. With extra picks in the 2nd we can fill a lot of holes. With extra picks we can trade back into the 1st with the Chiefs and take Spence.

[January J]

6 hours ago, 52520Andrew said:

Spence is the next Von Miller apparently so we would be lucky if he fell to 6th.

He should no doubt be there at 6...don't know if I would call that lucky. What would be lucky is if we traded back to 15 and he was still there. But I'm starting to think we shouldn't even chance it and just grab him. After watching Von miller tear it up the entire postseason if we can get even close to what he is with spence we need to pick him up. And he does remind me of Von in a way.  But what a guy like that with speed could do for our defense cannot be stressed enough.

 

if this mock is right though and we could somehow get vh3 ( or anybody for that matter) BEFORE spence- that's an automatic win.

[DefensiveMind]

That would be awesome...

[Inqui]

38 minutes ago, January J said:

He should no doubt be there at 6...don't know if I would call that lucky. What would be lucky is if we traded back to 15 and he was still there. But I'm starting to think we shouldn't even chance it and just grab him. After watching Von miller tear it up the entire postseason if we can get even close to what he is with spence we need to pick him up. And he does remind me of Von in a way.  But what a guy like that with speed could do for our defense cannot be stressed enough.

 

if this mock is right though and we could somehow get vh3 ( or anybody for that matter) BEFORE spence- that's an automatic win.

I think he was being sarcastic in reference to the backlash he copped for saying Spence isn't as good as Miller, who - it's worth bearing in mind - was the #2 pick in what could do down as the best class in draft history.

Edited February 8, 2016 by Inqui

[January J]

2 minutes ago, Inqui said:

I think he was being sarcastic in reference to the backlash he copped for saying Spence isn't as good as Miller, who - it's worth bearing in mind - was the #2 pick in what could do down as the best class in draft history.

Yeah I see it now. I'm pretty bad at reading sarcasm.

[PurpleCity5]

8 hours ago, 52520Andrew said:

Spence is the next Von Miller apparently so we would be lucky if he fell to 6th.

Well, I am a huge fan of Von Miller's game honestly, so that would be pretty good. 

[52520Andrew]

1 hour ago, Inqui said:

I think he was being sarcastic in reference to the backlash he copped for saying Spence isn't as good as Miller, who - it's worth bearing in mind - was the #2 pick in what could do down as the best class in draft history.

Yeah probably my biggest pet peeve pre draft is player comparisons. They are a great way to communicate what you think a player can or can't do to people who either haven't looked into a player much or who don't know any better. If you have any idea how to evaluate players though, talk about what that particular player brings to the table as opposed to trying to say they are the clone of some player in the NFL even if there are 7 billion people in the world who are all different. 

[Edgar]

 Sure would be nice to get a homerun with our first pick.  Spence is really the best chance I see available for us to make that happen.

This draft doesn't provide as many apparent sure fire first round picks and while it isn't fair or useful ultimately to compare him to Mack or Miller, he, to me is the best bet for us and I think he will be special pretty soon.

 

 

[JoeyFlex5]

3 hours ago, 52520Andrew said:

Yeah probably my biggest pet peeve pre draft is player comparisons. They are a great way to communicate what you think a player can or can't do to people who either haven't looked into a player much or who don't know any better. If you have any idea how to evaluate players though, talk about what that particular player brings to the table as opposed to trying to say they are the clone of some player in the NFL even if there are 7 billion people in the world who are all different. 

what REALLY makes me mad, is when one player is tops at their position, and the whole "draftnik" world says "team X needs to find the next player Y in this years draft and this is that guy!" 

 

the whole "jaelen strong is the next anquan boldin so the ravens need to draft him!" thing almost gave me an aneurysm by the time the draft rolled around. the bosa watt comparisons this year are bugging the hell outta me, i dont understand what people see there besides a big white edge defender, there really isnt much comparison outside of that.

[GrimCoconut]

2 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

what REALLY makes me mad, is when one player is tops at their position, and the whole "draftnik" world says "team X needs to find the next player Y in this years draft and this is that guy!" 

 

the whole "jaelen strong is the next anquan boldin so the ravens need to draft him!" thing almost gave me an aneurysm by the time the draft rolled around. the bosa watt comparisons this year are bugging the hell outta me, i dont understand what people see there besides a big white edge defender, there really isnt much comparison outside of that.

I'm so sick of looking for the "next Boldin!"

I love Boldin and I'd love for him to come back and would've loved for him to retire here; however, he's probably one of the most overrated players we've ever had. 

[CorvusMagnus]

If you are talking about Bosa I definitely hear you about the Watt comparisons or worse other well known rushers like Von Miller. I do think there is something to the people who compare him to Ryan Karrigan if he plays at 3/4 OLB. They are similar in the sense that they are big, heavy OLBs (Bosa especially) that rely on strength, punch and motor for rush production. I think Bosa is the better prospect but both can be neutralized as a solo rusher (at least on the outside) by high tempo offenses. This puts them on a different tier from rushers like Donald or Miller that can disrupt plays before they even begin. Unfortunately, all the Donald/Miller prospects in this draft (Spence and Nkemdiche come to mind) have MUCH lower floors, so taking Bosa over either is perfectly understandable.

[JoeyFlex5]

38 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

I'm so sick of looking for the "next Boldin!"

I love Boldin and I'd love for him to come back and would've loved for him to retire here; however, he's probably one of the most overrated players we've ever had. 

Agree on all fronts and I can't wait for him to retire so we can put it to bed already. Trading boldin was the ballsiest move any gm has made since the Colts cut Peyton, and as a direct result we were one dropped pass away from making the afc championship 2 years later. Without the boldin trade, we don't get dumervil, without dumervil and his 18 sack season we probably don't even sniff the success we had a year ago

[RavensDieHard21]

10 hours ago, GrimCoconut said:

I'm so sick of looking for the "next Boldin!"

I love Boldin and I'd love for him to come back and would've loved for him to retire here; however, he's probably one of the most overrated players we've ever had. 

Uhhh, did you say the most overrated player we ever had? That might be the most loaded and bizarre statements I ever read on here. While Q never lit up the stat sheets on a yearly basis, simply due to our style of play, the three years he was here he routinely made big plays when we needed them the most. The entire 2012 SB run was not only engineered off of the Lewis retirement and Flacco's MVP performance, but Boldin making huge plays against Indy, Denver, New England and clutch catches against San Fran. While many fans speak of him as if he were a top 5 receiver while he was here, ultimately his leadership, toughness and clutch abilities guided us to perhaps our three best consecutive years as an organization.

[RavensDieHard21]

I see Spence as a guy that we should target as a trade up if he slips past 15 and we do in fact take someone at #6, such as Bosa, Ramsey, or Buckner. If for any reason Ozzie can give up our second and a 4th and future pick to snag him, I'd be happy, especially if we get another defensive gem on the team.

[JoeyFlex5]

52 minutes ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

Uhhh, did you say the most overrated player we ever had? That might be the most loaded and bizarre statements I ever read on here. While Q never lit up the stat sheets on a yearly basis, simply due to our style of play, the three years he was here he routinely made big plays when we needed them the most. The entire 2012 SB run was not only engineered off of the Lewis retirement and Flacco's MVP performance, but Boldin making huge plays against Indy, Denver, New England and clutch catches against San Fran. While many fans speak of him as if he were a top 5 receiver while he was here, ultimately his leadership, toughness and clutch abilities guided us to perhaps our three best consecutive years as an organization.

he disappeared from entire games. He dropped crucial routine passes. He never amounted to anything more than a pedestrian possession receiver and tough guy. We could have gotten the same production for a quarter of the cost of we didn't suck so bad at developing wrs. Yet ravens fans act as if he is literally a football god in Baltimore who single handedly carried us through a 3 year stretch of winning. Boldin is easily the most overrated raven of all time.  3 years of extremely average AND inconsistent play on a relatively big deal. 

 

Boldin is the THIRD best receiver in the harbs era alone lol, 8 years of a team that has had trash receivers and he's number 3. Overrated. 

 

Off topic though. Sorry this subject gets me worked up lol

[RavensDieHard21]

27 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

he disappeared from entire games. He dropped crucial routine passes. He never amounted to anything more than a pedestrian possession receiver and tough guy. We could have gotten the same production for a quarter of the cost of we didn't suck so bad at developing wrs. Yet ravens fans act as if he is literally a football god in Baltimore who single handedly carried us through a 3 year stretch of winning. Boldin is easily the most overrated raven of all time.  3 years of extremely average AND inconsistent play on a relatively big deal. 

 

Boldin is the THIRD best receiver in the harbs era alone lol, 8 years of a team that has had trash receivers and he's number 3. Overrated. 

 

Off topic though. Sorry this subject gets me worked up lol

It's cool, so you are implying that Mason and Smith are #1 and #2 then? and wasn't his deal 4 years, $28 million? A bigger contract than we're accustomed to,but a long shot from being even remotely expensive for what he brought to the table. All receivers drop balls occasionally and from what I remember, that was about what his drop rate was here. It boggles my mind that under Harbs we have only semi-developed one good receiver, obviously being Torrey, with barely any success besides signing vets. 

[usmccharles]

34 minutes ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

It's cool, so you are implying that Mason and Smith are #1 and #2 then? and wasn't his deal 4 years, $28 million? A bigger contract than we're accustomed to,but a long shot from being even remotely expensive for what he brought to the table. All receivers drop balls occasionally and from what I remember, that was about what his drop rate was here. It boggles my mind that under Harbs we have only semi-developed one good receiver, obviously being Torrey, with barely any success besides signing vets. 

I would like to look at the scouts who have been responsible for our WR selections and just see what is goin on there.  Or just how the process works,  All these years and so far one 2nd round pick is the only WR we have ever drafted that actually have produced.  Just blows my mind.  Then to sit back and watch a team like the Steelers draft three awesome WRs, Jags, Packers, etc... you would think a change would be in order in that department. 

[RavensDieHard21]

4 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

I would like to look at the scouts who have been responsible for our WR selections and just see what is goin on there.  Or just how the process works,  All these years and so far one 2nd round pick is the only WR we have ever drafted that actually have produced.  Just blows my mind.  Then to sit back and watch a team like the Steelers draft three awesome WRs, Jags, Packers, etc... you would think a change would be in order in that department. 

I cannot believe the jags got Robinson, Lee, and Hurns in the same draft and they all, maybe besides Lee, have become studs! I think we just are never in great position to grab a proven WR, but i pray we dedicate a 2nd, 3rd or 4th round pick to keep taking whacks at it, Who knowsm maybe Perriman will explode onto the scene lol

[usmccharles]

1 minute ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

I cannot believe the jags got Robinson, Lee, and Hurns in the same draft and they all, maybe besides Lee, have become studs! I think we just are never in great position to grab a proven WR, but i pray we dedicate a 2nd, 3rd or 4th round pick to keep taking whacks at it, Who knowsm maybe Perriman will explode onto the scene lol

Yea but how many guys would you consider proven?  like last year Cooper is basically what everyone thought he was, White is still up for debate, as is BP.  To get a proven WR you normally need a top pick, but look at all the WRs that have became studs after the first round.  We barely missed out on Dez which still hurts

[RavensDieHard21]

6 hours ago, usmccharles said:

Yea but how many guys would you consider proven?  like last year Cooper is basically what everyone thought he was, White is still up for debate, as is BP.  To get a proven WR you normally need a top pick, but look at all the WRs that have became studs after the first round.  We barely missed out on Dez which still hurts

1 pick away....Watching that draft I remember yelling how much I hated Dallas lol

[RaineV1]

Being a 'proven' WR at the college level is tricky. Just because someone put up good stats didn't mean they were going to be good at the NFL level. Plenty of WRs get overlooked because they were in run heavy offenses or came from smaller schools, and then turn out great. It's more about finding someone whose skills will translate well to the NFL level, and being able to properly coach those receivers.

[GrimCoconut]

12 hours ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

Uhhh, did you say the most overrated player we ever had? That might be the most loaded and bizarre statements I ever read on here. While Q never lit up the stat sheets on a yearly basis, simply due to our style of play, the three years he was here he routinely made big plays when we needed them the most. The entire 2012 SB run was not only engineered off of the Lewis retirement and Flacco's MVP performance, but Boldin making huge plays against Indy, Denver, New England and clutch catches against San Fran. While many fans speak of him as if he were a top 5 receiver while he was here, ultimately his leadership, toughness and clutch abilities guided us to perhaps our three best consecutive years as an organization.

Yep. Boldin's name comes mainly from that huge playoff run he had. He was huge in that run but he wasn't consistently a force throughout the year. In fact, I recall him not having a great year that year and I think he got hurt and healed up in time for the run. I could be mistaken there, though. My memory isn't always the best and I get things mixed up. I do know he dropped a fair share of passes and had a critical one against Pittsburgh that cost us dearly in the playoffs years before. 

[RavensDieHard21]

16 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

Yep. Boldin's name comes mainly from that huge playoff run he had. He was huge in that run but he wasn't consistently a force throughout the year. In fact, I recall him not having a great year that year and I think he got hurt and healed up in time for the run. I could be mistaken there, though. My memory isn't always the best and I get things mixed up. I do know he dropped a fair share of passes and had a critical one against Pittsburgh that cost us dearly in the playoffs years before. 

I remember that drop in the 2010 playoffs, it was on 3rd down and we were driving to win the game, but then Joe threw a bullet at TJ on 4th down and it hit him in the chest and he dropped it too....

[GrimCoconut]

2 minutes ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

I remember that drop in the 2010 playoffs, it was on 3rd down and we were driving to win the game, but then Joe threw a bullet at TJ on 4th down and it hit him in the chest and he dropped it too....

Hey, I don't disagree but you said he [Boldin] "made big plays when we needed them the most" and you just proved your own point as incorrect through the TJ drop. If Boldin was so great and this insane WR, should he have dropped a ball that even TJ, a lesser WR than Boldin without question, dropped?