predictions for some of the young guys

[JoeyFlex5]

for our big name young guys, what kind of seasons do you expect them to have in 2016? 

 

CJ Mosley, i think will have a rebound year, he struggled in coverage but was still a playmaker and a stud against the run, and you could see the fire and leadership emerging, against the rams he really started to catch fire and become a spark for the team to feed off of and he continued from there, and i think if we go on to have a rebound season as a team then i think mosley will play a huge part and will be in contention for DPOY. sophomore slumps happen all the time and i expect mosley to recover from his minor slump. 

 

i think perriman missing last year really hurt the team, he could have been the difference in quite a few games i think, and i think the anticipation and nerves get to him on early on, but i think he will settle in and have a pretty good season, nothing spectacular, but i think he will definitely show some promise and i think he will actually be the wr we drafted him to be in the future. 

 

i think maxx and crockett combine for over 1000 yards and 10 td's, they will be the identity of the team and every defense we face will fear them. 

 

buck allen, i think will have a solid season but wont turn into some kind of focal point runningback, i think he does well in the passing game, and i dont think 1000 from scrimmage is unreasonable. 

 

i think jensen becomes a starter and will eventually get a big pay day from us and become a long term starter. 

 

i worry that both jernigan and carl davis will struggle, inconsistencies from both of them and very reckless play and bad decisions from jernigan will haunt them. 

 

i think waller, unfortunately, ends up a non factor and doesnt make the active roster in all 16 games. 

 

ZDS will have another solid season, i could see him ending up the next JJ for us, quiet production, the occasional sack, supreme toughness, does the dirty work, i dont think he will be anything spectacular though. 

 

some guys who i dont think will pan out, are terrence brooks, campanaro and urban due to injury, KLM will be average, i think talliaferro ends up the 3rd back and eventually fades into obscurity unless he greatly improved his anticipation, no word on tray walker yet. 

 

share your thoughts?

[ludy51]

I think Jernigan will end up becoming more and more consistently good as the year goes on

[Wildabeast88]

I think the light came on for Jernigan after having his playing time cut earlier in the season was a wake up call I hope for dominance next year I pretty much agree on most everything although I think ZDS I'll be better than JJ I think higher sack totals maybe not double digits yet but 7-8 would be good. I do agree Crockett and Max will have a bigger year than that I'd say 1300 yards and 14TDs I hope you are wrong on Urban and Camp 

[RaineV1]

If Jernigan and Mosley keep the same fire they had in the latter half of last season then our front seven will be great. ZDS will probably continue to grow as well.

[JoeyFlex5]

I just worry that jernigan doesn't completely eliminate the mental lapses, I think he will always be good simply because he's just talented and plays with real swagger, but I worry he doesn't hit his ceiling and frustrates us at times. 

 

With camp and urban, they just have an injury history a mile long, they both would have been probably 2nd round picks if they had ever shown the ability to stay on the field, I just struggle to have faith in those guys. 

 

For zds, I love the guy, he'll be a fan favorite just like jj was, but his sacks came almost exclusively from long drawn out plays from good coverage, and he has a lot of work before he becomes a legitimately good pass rusher, he still plays very stiff and with little technique and I think He may just always be that tough and opportunistic bully, which is great, but I don't see some stud pass rusher in him

[Jacquouille]

Nice topic!

-Mosley will have a great year, people tend to forget he was recovering from a hand injury, and his second half of the season was huge. A little bit of recovery, Orr with him to take care of the coverage part. He's also still able to improve his game, and if he does take a step forward, he's gonna have a DPOY season.

-ZDS will have 8 sacks this year. With other OLB beside him, he will be in a much better situation that will help him use his talent in the right way. He's got room for improvement, I think we all agree on this, but he's willing to improve and has already begun working. 

-Gillmore or Maxx will go to the Pro Bowl. I don't which one, depends on how much Maxx improves and if they can stay healthy, but they will be near unstoppable in the redzone.

-Jernigan finally makes the leap, and has a 6/7 sacks season. Like Mosley, his second half was dominating.

-Buck has 700/800 rushing yards and 600/700 receiving yards. I still question him as a ball carier, but the double threat stuff is real and special. 

-Jeremy Butler will step up and share playing time with SSSr, his routes and blocking ability will help us big time. Aiken will have a 1000 yards and be the go-to guy on 3rd downs.

[Cville-Raven]

I expect Davis and Smith to improve from last season. Perriman is definitely who I'm most interested to see. I think Trestman was really hoping he would've had him in lineup and I definitely think he would have been a difference maker for our offense in a number of games. I think he leads the team in receiving tds and possibly even yards depending on Sr.'s recovery. I expect Maxx to take over as the #1 TE even though Gillmore will still be plenty involved. 

[PurpleCity5]

I agree, I like this topic. 

C.J Mosley: Has a bounce-back year, improves in coverage and returns to the Pro Bowl

Breshad Perriman: Becomes a key piece to the offense and the missing element providing size and speed. Perriman becomes our #2 WR putting up 900 Yards and 10TDs, I think he will have a bit of the nerves but the red-shirt year gives him a chance to completely settle down with the offense and the team. I don't view Perriman as a rookie. Rookie's are thrown into a fire the moment they enter OTAs, He will have settle down with the team by then. 

Williams and Gilmore: Williams makes a huge jump since his rookie year and become our starter along with Gilmore, to create an amazing two TE set. I'll go as far to say that they both combine for  over 1500 Yards and 18 TDs. Both become the focal point of our offense. I'm going with 800 yards for Gilmore, and 700 for Williams. 

ZD: Will solid year, I'm going with 8 sacks and becomes a good run stopper. I'm thinking he takes over for Upshaw.

Buck Allen: Dual Threat with 1000 scrimmage yards per game. 

Jernigan: I think Jernigan will become more consistent and has a really good year actually. If he starts a full year I really believe he'll be great. Davis on the other hand, I think will look to improve over his inconsistent game and motor.

Nothing to really say about Campanaro or Urban. If healthy they will be really productive, but I'm not sure if they can stay healthy. 

 

Edited February 8, 2016 by PurpleCity5

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

3 hours ago, PurpleCity5 said:

I agree, I like this topic. 

C.J Mosley: Has a bounce-back year, improves in coverage and returns to the Pro Bowl

Breshad Perriman: Becomes a key piece to the offense and the missing element providing size and speed. Perriman becomes our #2 WR putting up 900 Yards and 10TDs, I think he will have a bit of the nerves but the red-shirt year gives him a chance to completely settle down with the offense and the team. I don't view Perriman as a rookie. Rookie's are thrown into a fire the moment they enter OTAs, He will have settle down with the team by then. 

Williams and Gilmore: Williams makes a huge jump since his rookie year and become our starter along with Gilmore, to create an amazing two TE set. I'll go as far to say that they both combine for  over 1500 Yards and 18 TDs. Both become the focal point of our offense. I'm going with 800 yards for Gilmore, and 700 for Williams. 

ZD: Will solid year, I'm going with 8 sacks and becomes a good run stopper. I'm thinking he takes over for Upshaw.

Buck Allen: Dual Threat with 1000 scrimmage yards per game. 

Jernigan: I think Jernigan will become more consistent and has a really good year actually. If he starts a full year I really believe he'll be great. Davis on the other hand, I think will look to improve over his inconsistent game and motor.

Nothing to really say about Campanaro or Urban. If healthy they will be really productive, but I'm not sure if they can stay healthy. 

 

I agree with most of what you say but 1500 yds for the TEs is a HUGE stretch imo. Not many TEs put up 700-800 yds and to have 2 on one team is a pretty big stretch. 

1000 yds combined would be pretty great from them. That alone would require a huge leap from both. 

ZDS will improve but 8 sacks is a lot. Suggs return will help him a lot but I see 6 sacks tops. 

Perriman is going to have a huge year. 1,000+ yds, 10+ TDs, and 75 catches. 

Urban with a full offseason I think will become a great starter for us. Jernigan, Williams, Urban is going to be a stud Dline, and with Davis and Guy rotating in it's going to be full throttle non-stop. 

And I think our 1st round draft pick will win DROY honors whether it's Bosa, Ramsey or Spence. 

[PurpleCity5]

@BOLDnPurPnBlacK

 

I wouldn't call 1500 Yards a stretch. Gilmore could've hit that 600-700 mark had he played a full game slate, he missed 10 games and that's not even counting the games he's missed. I really think he could be big time his 3rd year. Maxx is a guy I expect will pick up steam his second year and get to that 650-700 yards mark, he's really talented and has the tools to be a great TE.

 

I think Za'darius can do better than justa .5 sacks more than last year. I think with a full year as a belt and potentially replacing Upshaw as the starter, he can be pretty good. He's played significantly well since getting more reps. 

 

I don't know about that year for Perriman, I said 800-900 Yards but I think that may be a stretch, I think he would have to be a part of this offense because of his deep speed. 

[Daft Classic]

1) Mosley was hit with the Sophomore Slump. Happens to the best and no reason he doesn't rebound to his normal high level

2) Perriman I think is worked in gently. Aiken more than likely gets resigned and we run SSS and Kamar at 1-2. Perriman and the rookie/FA we bring in I think have to compete for #3, but the team will have no problem keeping Perriman at 4 until he is up to speed and can understand the offense

3) If Pitta doesn't come back, Crockett is the feature TE. He needs to work on his hands more, but he's already an amazing blocker. He will get far more use next year if he can stay healthy. I'm still not entirely sold on Maxx just because he hasn't really done much to tell me he's gonna be a big player in this league. Same with Boyle. I think the two of them compete for the back up spot to Crockett with Maxx edging him out for now based on his pedigree

4) Buck is more than likely the new #2, but he's so similar to Forsett that I think he only comes on the field to give Forsett a breather. It's not like he's a change of pace or anything, and the Ravens specialize in workhorse backs, so it'll be interesting to see how a committee approach works. 

5) I have seen nothing from Jensen to merit him being a future star for us. Things need to be really bad on our line for us to be starting him. Urshel more than likely will be taking over at LG with someone coming in at LT. Jensen will remain the primary OL reserve in the event someone goes down

6) Jernigan I think also got hit by the Sophomore slump, and he has stated he wants to "dominate" so I think he corrects the ship. I am a bit concerned about Carl Davis and his ability to be consistent. Ever since college he's had a problem with his motor, and I'm hoping he can get everything corrected because when he gets going, he can be unstoppable

7) Waller didn't really prove himself his rookie year, and he may fall victim to a crowded WR core with SSS, Aiken, Perriman, FA/Draft Pick all locked in spots. He'll have to battle it out with Camp, Matthews, Butler, and the rest

8) ZDS I personally think is our diamond in the rough. Dude does not get the credit he deserves for the work he lays out on the field. I think his floor is at least another McPhee with the potential to be something greater

BONUS: I don't understand the mad love for Brooks. I cheer for him to get a chance like everyone else, but he just doesn't seem to ever play well enough to merit more playing time. People on here think he might be our future at S, but I really don't see much of a future for him here

[January J]

I pretty much agree with your entire assessment. I fear that Waller won't make the 53 man roster at all next season, esp if we draft a receiver and pick up one in FA.

[Drew P]

KLM doesn't make the roster.

West (if signed) over LT for the third and final RB slot.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

19 hours ago, PurpleCity5 said:

@BOLDnPurPnBlacK

 

I wouldn't call 1500 Yards a stretch. Gilmore could've hit that 600-700 mark had he played a full game slate, he missed 10 games and that's not even counting the games he's missed. I really think he could be big time his 3rd year. Maxx is a guy I expect will pick up steam his second year and get to that 650-700 yards mark, he's really talented and has the tools to be a great TE.

 

I think Za'darius can do better than justa .5 sacks more than last year. I think with a full year as a belt and potentially replacing Upshaw as the starter, he can be pretty good. He's played significantly well since getting more reps. 

 

I don't know about that year for Perriman, I said 800-900 Yards but I think that may be a stretch, I think he would have to be a part of this offense because of his deep speed. 

The problem I think is that if Gillmore plays all the games then there are less opportunities for Maxx. And Boyle showed promise too so if all 3 are healthy, and you throw a healthy Perriman in the mix and potentially another receiver there are only so many targets to go around. 

Granted i do think we'll show a ton of 2 TE looks, but I think it will be tough for them to get there regardless.

same thinking with Za'Darius... With a healthy Suggs, and us most likely taking a pass rusher high in the draft (Bosa or Spence in the 1st hopefully) I think Z's opportunities go down. I think he'll become more effective/efficient and do just as much if not a little more with those opportunities bc he won't have as much focus on him... But he'll go from being one of the primary rush guys on 3rd down to now Suggs/Doom locking those roles down with a Bosa or Spence becoming the guy we move around to create matchups and Z being a rotational guy. 

Even if we don't go with one of them in round 1 we will take a pass rusher in the 1st three rounds or pick up a vet in FA which will reduce Z's role unless he really improves. 

[PurpleCity5]

14 hours ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

The problem I think is that if Gillmore plays all the games then there are less opportunities for Maxx. And Boyle showed promise too so if all 3 are healthy, and you throw a healthy Perriman in the mix and potentially another receiver there are only so many targets to go around. 

Granted i do think we'll show a ton of 2 TE looks, but I think it will be tough for them to get there regardless.

same thinking with Za'Darius... With a healthy Suggs, and us most likely taking a pass rusher high in the draft (Bosa or Spence in the 1st hopefully) I think Z's opportunities go down. I think he'll become more effective/efficient and do just as much if not a little more with those opportunities bc he won't have as much focus on him... But he'll go from being one of the primary rush guys on 3rd down to now Suggs/Doom locking those roles down with a Bosa or Spence becoming the guy we move around to create matchups and Z being a rotational guy. 

Even if we don't go with one of them in round 1 we will take a pass rusher in the 1st three rounds or pick up a vet in FA which will reduce Z's role unless he really improves. 

The two TE set being heavily utilized. It's a part of our offense. Steve Smith Sr. was heavily targeted last year, well I expect his targets to drop, same with Aiken in favor of the TEs, this isn't me doubting the two but rather the fact that our offense will flow through them. 

 

Even if we do draft an OLB, it would really depend on who it is. I can't say for sure who we will take but I really think we're getting an OLB in the draft, just don't know when. In that event I believe Za'Darius would be our starter taking over for Upshaw. Of course he won't beat out Doom for snaps but he will get his chances on passing downs and I believe that 8 sacks isn't too far for that. Upshaw got plenty of chances in the past before this season but never capitalize, I think Z will. 

 

 

[Jacquouille]

I do think ZDS takes over for Upshaw, I already prefer Z over Upshaw actually. But if we keep the comparison with Pernell, Z should be a 2-down player that is used to set the edge and pressure the QB when needed. The 3rd downs belong to Doom and Sizzle, the future drafted OLB will split time with Suggs on the other side, that is how I see it.

 

One player we haven't talked much about is Orr. He improved a lot this year and showed nothing but good things when on the field. This year he will take over the starting role opposite CJ and do all the dirty work (coverage, mostly), letting CJ fly around and follow his instincts to make big plays.

[rudywasoffsides]

On 2/8/2016 at 7:14 PM, PurpleCity5 said:

Breshad Perriman: Becomes a key piece to the offense and the missing element providing size and speed. Perriman becomes our #2 WR putting up 900 Yards and 10TDs, I think he will have a bit of the nerves but the red-shirt year gives him a chance to completely settle down with the offense and the team. I don't view Perriman as a rookie. Rookie's are thrown into a fire the moment they enter OTAs, He will have settle down with the team by then. 

Williams and Gilmore: Williams makes a huge jump since his rookie year and become our starter along with Gilmore, to create an amazing two TE set. I'll go as far to say that they both combine for  over 1500 Yards and 18 TDs. Both become the focal point of our offense. I'm going with 800 yards for Gilmore, and 700 for Williams. 

ZD: Will solid year, I'm going with 8 sacks and becomes a good run stopper. I'm thinking he takes over for Upshaw.

Buck Allen: Dual Threat with 1000 scrimmage yards per game. 

Jernigan: I think Jernigan will become more consistent and has a really good year actually. If he starts a full year I really believe he'll be great. Davis on the other hand, I think will look to improve over his inconsistent game and motor.

 

LOL not a chance this happens. And I suppose you think Flacco is going to throw 40 td's and 4500+ yards?? Not how our offense works. Furthermore, Gilmore hasn't shown he can stay on the field long enough to put those kinds of numbers up and I would love to hear why you think Williams will make a huge jump. I could almost never tell he was even on the field this year and had next to no impact. I expect a better year from him, but with Gilmore and Boyle taking playing time from him I don't think Williams gets anymore than 400 yards and 3 td's. Hoping he proves me wrong. Perriman I see putting up 750 and 6 td's as he improves throughout the year.

[PurpleCity5]

24 minutes ago, rudywasoffsides said:

LOL not a chance this happens. And I suppose you think Flacco is going to throw 40 td's and 4500+ yards?? Not how our offense works. Furthermore, Gilmore hasn't shown he can stay on the field long enough to put those kinds of numbers up and I would love to hear why you think Williams will make a huge jump. I could almost never tell he was even on the field this year and had next to no impact. I expect a better year from him, but with Gilmore and Boyle taking playing time from him I don't think Williams gets anymore than 400 yards and 3 td's. Hoping he proves me wrong. Perriman I see putting up 750 and 6 td's as he improves throughout the year.

Yeah lol the 18TDs might be a little bold, but I really think Gilmore can make the jump to a good 700-800 yards and same with Maxx. I really think that Gilmore's problem is learning how to read defenses and splitting double teams, if he can do that he will wreck havoc. 

As far as Williams play goes, Its well known that rookie TEs don't have big impacts. I think the last great rookie season for a TE was by Rob Gronkowski when he caught 11 TDs with 500 yards, good numbers but well below what we are seeing now from him. TE is one of the toughest positions for rookie's to transition to. 

Do I think Joe will throw for over TDs? No. 30? It's possible, he almost did in 2014 and if it weren't for that late season decline by Steve Smith and the injury to Pitta he probably would have. Can he throw for over 4000 Yards? Absolutely, our QBs combined for more than 4,000 yards passing this year and Joe was on pace to go past that this year, 4500 yards? No, but I do think the targets for Steve Smith and Aiken will drop in favor of Gilmore and Williams. 

This is all assuming that both guys play a full 16 game season, I don't want to predict either of them to get injured and miss a game or two. 

 

[Jacquouille]

32 minutes ago, rudywasoffsides said:

LOL not a chance this happens. And I suppose you think Flacco is going to throw 40 td's and 4500+ yards?? Not how our offense works. Furthermore, Gilmore hasn't shown he can stay on the field long enough to put those kinds of numbers up and I would love to hear why you think Williams will make a huge jump. I could almost never tell he was even on the field this year and had next to no impact. I expect a better year from him, but with Gilmore and Boyle taking playing time from him I don't think Williams gets anymore than 400 yards and 3 td's. Hoping he proves me wrong. Perriman I see putting up 750 and 6 td's as he improves throughout the year.

Flacco has never had as many weapons as he has now. Not projecting 40TD but he was on pace for 4300 yards this season, so why does that sound incredible, with new weapons rising?

 

Williams had the best season for any TE in Ravens history. More than Heap, Gilmore, and way above Pitta, whose numbers were ridiculously low from what I've seen. Williams' numbers as a rookie compare to Jimmy Graham, for example. TE never have a great impact in their rookie season, so it's just normal that he had just 250yds and 1TD as a rookie. Plus, he was the youngest player in the NFL last year, and can physically improve A LOT this offseason.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

48 minutes ago, PurpleCity5 said:

The two TE set being heavily utilized. It's a part of our offense. Steve Smith Sr. was heavily targeted last year, well I expect his targets to drop, same with Aiken in favor of the TEs, this isn't me doubting the two but rather the fact that our offense will flow through them. 

 

Even if we do draft an OLB, it would really depend on who it is. I can't say for sure who we will take but I really think we're getting an OLB in the draft, just don't know when. In that event I believe Za'Darius would be our starter taking over for Upshaw. Of course he won't beat out Doom for snaps but he will get his chances on passing downs and I believe that 8 sacks isn't too far for that. Upshaw got plenty of chances in the past before this season but never capitalize, I think Z will. 

 

 

On the TE's... only 9 in the entire NFL put up the type of yardage necessary to combine for 1500 yards...none of which were on the same team as another. You'd need Jason Witten and Travis Kelce on the same team to put of 1500+ yards. Or Eric Ebron and Jordan Reed.

Two guys that are heavily featured in their respective, but separate offenses.

It's just not happening.

The best TE combos in the league put up 1,000-1,200 yds... TEN being one and Delanie put up over 1,000 himself. Celek and Ertz went for 1,100 combined. 

Aside from Gronk and Hernandez insane 2012 where they put up around 2,200 combined yards (with Gronk going for 1,300 himself) they barely cracked 1,000 the other 2 years together.

Aside from that duo, the league record for a TE due was the Chargers with 1,900 yds for a duo. And I'm sorry, neither Gillmore or Maxx Williams is anything close to Gronk or Kellen Winslow.

In fact, neither is Dennis Pitta yet. Almost half of Gillmore's yardage came in 2 games... so he needs to become far more consistent, and most of Maxx's production came when we were down to him as our only TE and Aiken as our only other weapon. He doesnt have even close to the season he had if everyone stays healthy.

So, again I think 1,000-1,100 yards would be a GREAT goal for them to achieve, and would put them right at the top of the league as the best TE duo. And this isnt a knock on either of them, I just highly doubt we'll have 2 guys (especially 2nd and 3rd year players) in the top 10 of production, especially when every guy that got to that level this year is one of the top 2 targets on their team if not the top target.

Plus, each of the TE's in that range this season had a minimum of 70 receptions. And I'm sorry, our TE position as a whole isnt going to get 80 more receptions next year, let alone just those 2 especially with SSS, Perriman, Camp, and another WR in the mix as well as Boyle, the rb's and Juice.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

10 minutes ago, Jacquouille said:

Flacco has never had as many weapons as he has now. Not projecting 40TD but he was on pace for 4300 yards this season, so why does that sound incredible, with new weapons rising?

 

Williams had the best season for any TE in Ravens history. More than Heap, Gilmore, and way above Pitta, whose numbers were ridiculously low from what I've seen. Williams' numbers as a rookie compare to Jimmy Graham, for example. TE never have a great impact in their rookie season, so it's just normal that he had just 250yds and 1TD as a rookie. Plus, he was the youngest player in the NFL last year, and can physically improve A LOT this offseason.

Fine, lets just say for argument sake that Maxx doesnt just project to Jimmy Graham, he actually plays like Jimmy Graham - next season..... 

For that projection, then Crockett Gillmore would also have to put up Jimmy Graham type numbers for them to reach 1,500 yds combined......... in the same offense. Around 140 combined catches just by the TE's. And remember Maxx didnt start putting up numbers until both Gillmore and Boyle went down, as well as SSS. So, yea he had a good season but he was thrust into being one of the top 2-3 targets.

Is he still going to be that when SSS, Perriman, Aiken, Gillmore, Maxx, Boyle, Forsett, Buck and Juice - plus likely another FA WR added in the mix - all get their touches? 

Sorry man... aside from a couple seasons in history that included monster years from a few of the best TE's in history that type of production just doesnt happen from the TE position. 

I love both guys, and you can add Boyle into that mix. I'll put my life savings though that they dont get to 1,500 yds or get to 1,200. I'll bet Gillmore, Maxx and Boyle all combined dont get to 1,500.

[Jacquouille]

3 hours ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Fine, lets just say for argument sake that Maxx doesnt just project to Jimmy Graham, he actually plays like Jimmy Graham - next season..... 

For that projection, then Crockett Gillmore would also have to put up Jimmy Graham type numbers for them to reach 1,500 yds combined......... in the same offense. Around 140 combined catches just by the TE's. And remember Maxx didnt start putting up numbers until both Gillmore and Boyle went down, as well as SSS. So, yea he had a good season but he was thrust into being one of the top 2-3 targets.

Is he still going to be that when SSS, Perriman, Aiken, Gillmore, Maxx, Boyle, Forsett, Buck and Juice - plus likely another FA WR added in the mix - all get their touches? 

Sorry man... aside from a couple seasons in history that included monster years from a few of the best TE's in history that type of production just doesnt happen from the TE position. 

I love both guys, and you can add Boyle into that mix. I'll put my life savings though that they dont get to 1,500 yds or get to 1,200. I'll bet Gillmore, Maxx and Boyle all combined dont get to 1,500.

Oops, seems like I have not been understood. I didn't want to argue that the TEs could combine for 1500yds and 18 TDs, but simply that the argument made above made no sense. I think those numbers are unrealistic, 1200yds and 10TD combined if they stay healthy would be my pick.

Edited February 9, 2016 by Jacquouille

[PurpleCity5]

10 hours ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

On the TE's... only 9 in the entire NFL put up the type of yardage necessary to combine for 1500 yards...none of which were on the same team as another. You'd need Jason Witten and Travis Kelce on the same team to put of 1500+ yards. Or Eric Ebron and Jordan Reed.

Two guys that are heavily featured in their respective, but separate offenses.

It's just not happening.

The best TE combos in the league put up 1,000-1,200 yds... TEN being one and Delanie put up over 1,000 himself. Celek and Ertz went for 1,100 combined. 

Aside from Gronk and Hernandez insane 2012 where they put up around 2,200 combined yards (with Gronk going for 1,300 himself) they barely cracked 1,000 the other 2 years together.

Aside from that duo, the league record for a TE due was the Chargers with 1,900 yds for a duo. And I'm sorry, neither Gillmore or Maxx Williams is anything close to Gronk or Kellen Winslow.

In fact, neither is Dennis Pitta yet. Almost half of Gillmore's yardage came in 2 games... so he needs to become far more consistent, and most of Maxx's production came when we were down to him as our only TE and Aiken as our only other weapon. He doesnt have even close to the season he had if everyone stays healthy.

So, again I think 1,000-1,100 yards would be a GREAT goal for them to achieve, and would put them right at the top of the league as the best TE duo. And this isnt a knock on either of them, I just highly doubt we'll have 2 guys (especially 2nd and 3rd year players) in the top 10 of production, especially when every guy that got to that level this year is one of the top 2 targets on their team if not the top target.

Plus, each of the TE's in that range this season had a minimum of 70 receptions. And I'm sorry, our TE position as a whole isnt going to get 80 more receptions next year, let alone just those 2 especially with SSS, Perriman, Camp, and another WR in the mix as well as Boyle, the rb's and Juice.

I don't see Juice getting the targets he used to get. I don't know how utilized Boyle will be as the No.3 TE, I don't think he will get more opportunities than Maxx. 

As I said, I think they can definitely go over 1,100 if they do progress as TEs have shown in the past. Maybe 1500 is unrealistic but this is under the assumption that the duo becomes the focal point of the offense, I really think our offense runs through them which reduces the targets for everyone else. Maybe 1500 might not be reached but I can see them hitting a good 1,200-1,300 under the assumption they are the main focal point of the offense and take the leaps that I expect them to take. 

[thieverycorporation]

Camp will be a camp cut do to injury.

Jernigan will be more effective in scheme design and refine his technique.

Boyle will surpass his last year stat by a wide margin. Maxx will be utilized in trick plays within a multiple tightend set.

Interceptions will be the focal point in camp and playmaking rookies will seal the deal.

Runningback position will be supplanted via free agency and Taliafffero will be demoted.

Carl Davis's impact will be felt strongly and will be a welcomed surprise.

Brent Urban will excel in pass defections.

Trestman will employ the dink and dunk quick snap process with timing and crossing routes and formations will be well designed.

Two undrafted players will impact the offense team with positive plays and one defensive (undrafted/small school) will make a prolific rise into the dominating D scheme.

The Ravens FO will reach an agreement with Joe/Linta that provides relief much sooner then expected but won't be announced until right before the F/A (Not tipping their Hand) which will allow them to seek and EFRA prospect. Comp picks won't be the big picture overall as Osemele and Tucker will be the only ones worth worrying about this year and only one will be retained. 

Kearse will be sort after in free agency if DJax isn't cut from the Skins. I believe Ozzie would pay DJax enough money to play for us.

Off season health will be tailored towards the players prospective/concerns as it relates to ability to play thru out the season.

Flacco will come back being more mobile.Better awareness and urgency and he will be more active and aware of the pocket potentially collapsing. Getting into timed rhythm and releasing the ball on cue as opposed to taking a sack and risking injury will play out in his head. I believe he will run out the pocket a little more then usual and be a little quicker then past with his eyes keying in on the down field while making big plays with his legs. Seems to be the norm for recently injured QB's coming back from acl/mcl injury.

The Ravens will trade back and acquire another pick in the second round. As well as another in this years draft. 

Drama in the Browns organization will provide a window of opportunity to acquire Gordon if Ozzie so choses to acquire him via a pick trade during the draft. (Bold move). I see the Browns as wanting to resolve the distractions factor like Manzel/Gordon and start fresh within the Hue Jackson era. I think maneuvering via trade back provides less ire in the attempt to solidify the position.

 

 

 

Edited February 10, 2016 by thieverycorporation

[Winchester]

Campanaro. 1000 yards if he plays 14 or more games. If not then he us done with ravens

Mosley do not even need to say it. REBOUND

Zadarius. If he Slim's to about 260 and adds some muscle\ power to his legs he could challenge double digits. But players are rarely disciplined enough to max out optimal playweight. Unless he maxes out his optimal playweight, althought solid he will be a starter that leaves you wanting more

Jensen. A future pro bowl candidate. He is not even in his best shape yet. And shows power balance athleticism and serious attitude!! Will be better than Ben Grubbs. I like Jensen!!

Urschel will be a top 6 center once he adjusts to hiking the football. Far more power and nasty attitude than the center he replaced. Not many centers can lock horns with a nose tackle man up like Urschel could!! Then execute an athletic reach block on the next play. Intelligence and work ethic off the charts!!

Maxx. Will be a different player once completely in shape. Will become Joe cools security blanket\one of primary weapons and stretch the seam. With 4.60-4.65 playspeed will be a top 5 TE. 800 yards. Effective blocker as well even in run game. Fast, smooth, savvy and sudden playmaker with great hands.

Gilmore Will be a top flight blocker and productive receiver.

Jernigan finally breaks out with 8 sacks. Just needs to play smarter and active more consistently like the elite sub 300 lb penetrators.

Perriman. At least a deep playmaker. But needs to be more to justify his round1 selection.

Waller Scrub

Givens Scrub

Davis back up \rotational player

Urban See Davis

Orr  Will be just a place warmer until real 3 down ilb can be found!! 

Boyle will lose snaps to Maxx. Maxx is going to be to good to not play often.

Butler will be cut

Matthews will be cut

Brooks backup player

 

 

 

 

[Winchester]

If a true #1 WR fails to step up then My opinion Maxx will be the leading receiver. The dude is working hard!! Natural skill and wants to be great. He realized fat slows him down and more fast twitch muscle means speed. Team trainers say he looks to have grown an inch since the combine as well. I know he is much leaner but actually weighs more than he did at the combine.

[redrum52]

Well... I heard bad news.  Apparently Elam played in my flag league and looked awful.  Not much of a story until you realize most of these guys are just coming out for fun and he still looks poor in coverage.

[berad]

1 hour ago, redrum52 said:

Well... I heard bad news.  Apparently Elam played in my flag league and looked awful.  Not much of a story until you realize most of these guys are just coming out for fun and he still looks poor in coverage.

Well, we all know tackling is where he really shines so flag football wouldn't show that...........

One more season of the experiment, they could cut him this year and save some money it looks like. Good luck to him but, man, not the way the team wanted it to pan out.

[redrum52]

1 hour ago, berad said:

Well, we all know tackling is where he really shines so flag football wouldn't show that...........

One more season of the experiment, they could cut him this year and save some money it looks like. Good luck to him but, man, not the way the team wanted it to pan out.

Haha.

 

My only defense for the Elam pick is how bad that draft was and what our needs were at that time. 

[cushrinada1986]

Campanaro = at best, he would be mini - pitta. That solid handed receiver that bails out Flacco on 3rd downs. At worst, another injury prone WR that struggles to stay on the field.

Mosley = If we can find him a talented partner at ILB than expect big things. Maybe not DEF MVP, but expect another large leap from the young LB.

Zadarius. schemes will make ZDS a force if used correctly. whether at Will, SAM, or coming straight down the middle at the ILB spot, changing where this guy comes from will be vital to his success as a defender in 2016.

Jensen. All the starter potential in the world. I think he will prove to be a productive swing guard and maybe even a quality starter for the most part but dont expect Ben Grubs or KO like play. Will provide a solid run game up the middle though.

Urschel = Nothing like having a math genius running the center of your line. If Urschel can clean up some of his technique and add some muscle in the offseason, he could be a very impressive center for years to come. Very well may add some cap space by allowing the Ravens to let Zuttah walk as well.

Maxx. Only time will tell but Maxx could be a superstar if we allow him to not have to take on double teams. Gronk Maxx is not but he is a talented pass catcher up the seems and down the sidelines. While DBs will be watching Perrimen and SSSR, LBs may get dusted up the seam  and on the edge by Williams.

Gilmore = As quick and athletic Maxx is, Gilmore makes up for in sheer brute strength. Nothing like seeing a 275lb TE dragging DBs to a first down. Gilmores power and run blocking mixed with Maxx's ability to stretch the field up the middle will give Flacco a lot of options.

Jernigan = This kid has ability, just needs to be more consistent. Another year under the defense and maybe an addition like Baylors Buckner could setup enough 1 on 1's that could really work to Timmy's favor.

Perriman = A true speed merchant that can blow past anything Torrey may have done during his time here. Will probably need a WR to give him the 1 on 1's he need to go yard. in 3 seasons, could be top 10 in the league in yards and TDs over 40 yards.

Waller = Big body guy that needs more time on the field I think. Need to really give him a shot in Preseason this year to see what can really do. He can up big on ST and at WR a few times last year before his injury. People thinking he is not worth a shot will regret it if he goes to another team. Trust me, Detroit and SD would love a WR of his ability right now.

Givens = Hear a lot of people say be done with him but I think we should at least see if he can fight for a roster spot. you have a QB with a big arm and will have more than likely a more solid Oline than last year. I think to really make this offense humm, we need to grab speed in bunches. Either with givens, the draft, or FA, speed and size advantages will be how we get over in 2016.

Davis = Was a good CB until injury. Would do well in our dime and nickel packages. Would put less pressure off of possibly doubling up on DB in the draft.

Urban = lots of potential here. As a pass rusher, have the length to known down short passes and when 1 on 1, will probably dominate more times than not. Having Buckner and Urban rotating in and out will make it a long day or opposing linemen.

Orr  = maybe depth and ST contributor. If Oz cannot find his guy in the draft, expect Orr to get some time tho.

Boyle = Dont be surprised if Ravens sight a late round TE because of Boyles off the field issues. He is gonna have to really produce to get out of the doghouse now.

Butler = potential PS member again? Possibly a TC cut. At best, backend roster WR. We shall see.

Matthews = May have a bigger role than many think in 2016. Combine him with Waller, Gilmore, and Williams and you have a dream situation in the redzone.

Brooks = This may be his last season to prove he can bare fruit in production. Ravens seem to be in win now mode which means the time for players to get with the program has been cut considerably.