[News] Late For Work 2/3: 5 Realistic, 5 Unrealistic Free-Agent Signings For Ravens

[RavensDieHard21]

I want two of Ramsey, Spence, Billings or Jaylon Smith among our draft picks this year. Give me 2 of these 4 by trading back, front or what have you with our first 2 picks and I'll be so very happy.

I agree. Everyone keeps thinking that because Ramsey isn't a lock to become a shutdown corner or a definite FS, that he will have nowhere on our roster. A playmaker is a play maker and he could be the future of our team. Spence is the best pure edge rusher in this class, but that character issue might allow him to slide. I'd be happy with him or Floyd, but would prefer Spence.

[RavensDieHard21]

I still don't think we should take a mock that puts Tunsil at #11 too seriously...

I agree! I looked at that and laughed as hard as I could. Were they taking the top 50 draft prospects and picking them out of a hat?

[RavensDieHard21]

Spence is going to rise up boards, I don't see him lasting past the playoff teams in the late 20s because a combo of the Senior Bowl and the Combine will make most teams think he is worth the risk. I want him bad, but at #6? Maybe, only if Bosa, Tunsil, Buckner, and Ramsey are gone and no one is willing to make a trade. But with that being said, if we do take one of those 4 and Spence slips into the late 20's, please Ozzie, grab a top notch talent. Many times talent does fall to us, but it doesn't always happen. I knew we would need to trade up to get Marcus peters or Shane Ray last year and Oz passed the up the opportunity to go get them( But did move up for Maxx in the 2nd). I guess we will see.

[RavensBaltimore]

I don't get everyone's obsession with Campanaro. He's played so little that I don't see how people can call him a matchup nightmare. All he's shown he's good at is getting hurt.

He's shown quickness and acceleration that allow him to separate from man coverage and make plays. He's also shown the ability to make catches in traffic and hold on after being hit. In his limited time on the field, he's shown every skill necessary to be a great slot receiver. It's just a matter of whether or not the Ravens want to use a roster spot on a player who hasn't been able to stay on the field.

[bioLarzen]

draft ramsey at #6 and than do whatever it takes to get spence.

At this point, most mocks get Ramsey picked earlier. Mocks are mocks, of course, nothing more - but Ramsey indeed seems to be one of the best players of this class.

[bioLarzen]

2 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

I have zero idea why people are convinced Dallas is taking a QB at #6, because frankly, it would shock me if they did.

Based on Romo's age and especially his recent injury history, it doesn't sound as a shocking idea.

That said, I think Jerry will rather reach out for Manziel or possibly RGIII.

 

(And, of course, Dallas will pick @ #4, not #6 ;D)

Edited February 3, 2016 by bioLarzen

[bioLarzen]

2 hours ago, merryjman said:

I don't get everyone's obsession with Campanaro. He's played so little that I don't see how people can call him a matchup nightmare. All he's shown he's good at is getting hurt.

 

IMHO Campanaro showed definite talent and promise whenever he got on the field. Unfortunately, it wasn't too often and never lasted too long.

 

Many draftniks said before the draft that Campanaro is a mid-round talent at worst, and was only available in the 7th round because of his proneness to injuries. Sadly, it seems accurate now.

[rmcjacket23]

10 minutes ago, bioLarzen said:

Based on Romo's age and especially his recent injury history, it doesn't sound as a shocking idea.

That said, I think Jerry will rather reach out for Manziel or possibly RGIII.

Maybe, but my issues are:

1. Incredibly weak QB class, or at least presently perceived as so.

2. I think the days of drafting a QB in the first round and then having them sit for a few years to "learn" are long gone, given the financial benefits of getting quality production at a cheap salary and the cost of the QB jumping gigantically after their rookie deal.

3. Again, I think the Cowboys are very much interested in making a push for a SB ring in the next season or two, and using a first round pick on a QB doesn't really help that.

4. Given Romo's current contract situation, he's largely locked into a roster spot through 2017, and as such, I'd expect him to start for the duration of that period. Just can't see a team using a top 5 pick on a player who won't start for at least 2 years...

[jravens13]

3 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

3 hours ago, jravens13 said:

Tunsil is a Jonathan Ogden type tackle. He is the best player in the draft. Now the Chargers taking Ronnie Staley and Bosa falling to No. 6 seems unrealistic, but if that happens I might loose my mind in excitement.

IMO if Bosa is available at 4, swap picks and trade up so the Jags don't take him. (Cowboys need a QB, but know he will still be there at 6). We would have to give up our 3rd Round Pick, or our 4th and 5th.

Bosa is as sound, and as talented as it gets at DE. On top of that he has an incredible motor and he would bring that intensity that this defense lacks Ex-Suggs.

1. I'd never classify any draft pick as a HOF type player until proven otherwise. I haven't heard anything about Tunsil that I haven't heard before about various prospect LTs. Some of them became very good, and some of them struggled for years. 

2. I have zero idea why people are convinced Dallas is taking a QB at #6, because frankly, it would shock me if they did. I'm not even sure there's a franchise QB in this entire draft class to be honest, and I don't see Dallas taking one to sit on the bench for 2-3 years, which is what will happen. I'd handicap the Browns taking a QB at #2 at 50/50 to be honest, because again, I just don't see who this quality QB is that teams are supposed to fall in love with. I get the whole "you need a QB in this league" idea, and I agree with it, but that doesn't mean you just keep drafting them over and over again and hoping to hit. Cleveland could very easily and justifiably determine that day 2 QBs aren't that much different than day 1 QBs in this draft (and I'd probably agree with that), so it wouldn't make much sense to take one at #2.

Has all the makings of Dallas using a day 2 or 3 pick on a QB, particularly when they probably are legitimate SB-level contenders this upcoming season if they are healthy.

Dallas taking a QB is about the most talked about topic currently, especially at the Senior Bowl. Would you rather start a QB who isn't ready on what is deemed to be a "win now city", or groom one as much as you can before Romo has to hang it up. BTW Romo retiring might be sooner than later, based on his ability to finish the season strong over the last few years and his re-injury history. Clearly the backup QB play is what landed them the 4th overall pick. Everyone in the NFL scouting community seems to believe that Carson Wentz has all the tools you would look for in a successful NFL QB, and it is clear that the QB is the most sought after position in the NFL. Maybe they prefer a guy who will fall to the second Round, but everyone has them all over Wentz. It is merely wishful thinking that both Dallas and Cleveland take a QB with their first picks, but everyone seems to believe that is the most likely outcome. To me Manziel is not even an option for teams, until he can prove that he can put football first. I think he ends up somewhere as a backup again under an established vet.

Tunsil will be dominant. There isn't anything else I need to say other than the fact that he is the best player in the draft and he will be the 1st player taken.

Edited February 3, 2016 by jravens13

[rmcjacket23]

24 minutes ago, jravens13 said:

Dallas taking a QB is about the most talked about topic currently, especially at the Senior Bowl. Would you rather start a QB who isn't ready on what is deemed to be a "win now city", or groom one as much as you can before Romo has to hang it up. BTW Romo retiring might be sooner than later, based on his ability to finish the season strong over the last few years and his re-injury history. Clearly the backup QB play is what landed them the 4th overall pick. Everyone in the NFL scouting community seems to believe that Carson Wentz has all the tools you would look for in a successful NFL QB, and it is clear that the QB is the most sought after position in the NFL. Maybe they prefer a guy who will fall to the second Round, but everyone has them all over Wentz. It is merely wishful thinking that both Dallas and Cleveland take a QB with their first picks, but everyone seems to believe that is the most likely outcome. To me Manziel is not even an option for teams, until he can prove that he can put football first. I think he ends up somewhere as a backup again under an established vet.

Tunsil will be dominant. There isn't anything else I need to say other than the fact that he is the best player in the draft and he will be the 1st player taken.

Couple problems I have with this idea though...

1. Its the most talked about by FANS, not necessarily by people who know what they are talking about. The entire Manziel to Dallas idea is also fan generated, as anybody in touch with football has stated multiple times that it literally makes no sense for that marriage to happen from an actual football perspective.

2. I'm not really buying the Carson Wentz hype, mostly because I don't even know where it came from. Two months ago there was practically zero discussion of him as the top QB prospect, and nothing has happened since then for that to change. There's been no combine, no pro-days, no extra game film generated that has altered anybodies perception of him, so I'm not sure why NOW he's so popular, other than the fact that its an incredibly weak QB class and the media and fans need somebody to hype up.

3. If I'm Dallas and their ownership and popularity, I'm choosing option A... start Romo and try to win a SB in the next few years, because with Romo, they are good enough to do it. I'd be more inclined to wait for somebody like Romo to actually retire than spend a high draft pick in a perceived bad QB class just out of fear of my QB getting hurt again. If you're starting QB is worth anything, and he gets hurt, you're done. The Ravens are picking 6th, and a big piece behind that is the fact that Joe missed half the season. Should we consider taking a QB also because our backups weren't any good? The answer... no. If Romo gets hurt again, and they draft Carson Wentz, Dallas will be picking in the top 10 again for several years to come.

4. I'm not going to play the guarantee game with draft picks, because I'd lose much more often than I'd win. You do that if you want to. As it stands now, I'd be happy to bet against Tunsil being the #1 overall pick, because I think that's an easy bet to win. Any team I get a team with many draft needs picking #1 (and they don't need a QB), and I get my choice between Player A and the field, I'm taking the field.

If there's anything the draft has told us its that the best player in the draft very, very rarely goes #1 overall.

[salamander]

It's hard to imagine that anyone given the opportunity to have their life-long dream of playing in the NFL could blow this chance much worse than Manziel has blown it. I would be shocked if any team would find Manziel worth the distraction or effort after so many chances to get through to him. Pretty sad,actually. 

Edited February 3, 2016 by salamander

[Drew P]

35 minutes ago, jravens13 said:

Dallas taking a QB is about the most talked about topic currently, especially at the Senior Bowl. Would you rather start a QB who isn't ready on what is deemed to be a "win now city", or groom one as much as you can before Romo has to hang it up. BTW Romo retiring might be sooner than later, based on his ability to finish the season strong over the last few years and his re-injury history. Clearly the backup QB play is what landed them the 4th overall pick. Everyone in the NFL scouting community seems to believe that Carson Wentz has all the tools you would look for in a successful NFL QB, and it is clear that the QB is the most sought after position in the NFL. Maybe they prefer a guy who will fall to the second Round, but everyone has them all over Wentz. It is merely wishful thinking that both Dallas and Cleveland take a QB with their first picks, but everyone seems to believe that is the most likely outcome. To me Manziel is not even an option for teams, until he can prove that he can put football first. I think he ends up somewhere as a backup again under an established vet.

Tunsil will be dominant. There isn't anything else I need to say other than the fact that he is the best player in the draft and he will be the 1st player taken.

It wasn't the QB performance that landed Dallas at #4 it was the lack of talent on offense. When Dez got injured they were down to nothing at the WR position. While McFadden put up good numbers and surprisingly stayed on the field he was just a stop gap measure. Witten is merely a target and offers nothing after the catch.

The Tunsil future performance is speculation. Tenn. selecting him #1 overall just doesn't add much present value given their recent history. They selected a LT at 11 in 2014 and a franchise QB at 2 last year and here they are at the top spot in 2016.

[rmcjacket23]

43 minutes ago, salamander said:

It's hard to imagine that anyone given the opportunity to have their life-long dream of playing in the NFL could blow this chance much worse than Manziel has blown it. I would be shocked if any team would find Manziel worth the distraction or effort after so many chances to get through to him. Pretty sad,actually. 

The most amusing thing to me about this whole thing is sort of the hypocrisy of the team and the NFL in this regard...

I mean the perception is that he's a train wreck off-the-field right? Well, if that's true... what exactly has he done to earn that label? Went out to a club drinking (which he is legally allowed to do) and then lied about it? Voluntarily checked himself into rehab in an effort to straighten himself out?

I mean where's the arrests and the off-field incidents? There's these two alleged things with his GF, but other than that, I'm actually not seeing him do anything that many other NFL players aren't doing on arguably a nightly basis.

I mean I guess you make the case that because he's a QB he shouldn't be doing these things, which is a valid argument, but I think all the bashing about his off-field transgressions is a bit overblown and lacks perspective when compared to the league itself.

I mean anybody who hangs out in the city often enough late at night would know that there's no shortage of Ravens players who, even in-season, are out late at clubs and bars having a good time.

[WNC-Raven]

  4 hours ago, jravens13 said:

Tunsil is a Jonathan Ogden type tackle. He is the best player in the draft. Now the Chargers taking Ronnie Staley and Bosa falling to No. 6 seems unrealistic, but if that happens I might loose my mind in excitement.

IMO if Bosa is available at 4, swap picks and trade up so the Jags don't take him. (Cowboys need a QB, but know he will still be there at 6). We would have to give up our 3rd Round Pick, or our 4th and 5th.

Bosa is as sound, and as talented as it gets at DE. On top of that he has an incredible motor and he would bring that intensity that this defense lacks Ex-Suggs.

1. I'd never classify any draft pick as a HOF type player until proven otherwise. I haven't heard anything about Tunsil that I haven't heard before about various prospect LTs. Some of them became very good, and some of them struggled for years. 

2. I have zero idea why people are convinced Dallas is taking a QB at #6, because frankly, it would shock me if they did. I'm not even sure there's a franchise QB in this entire draft class to be honest, and I don't see Dallas taking one to sit on the bench for 2-3 years, which is what will happen. I'd handicap the Browns taking a QB at #2 at 50/50 to be honest, because again, I just don't see who this quality QB is that teams are supposed to fall in love with. I get the whole "you need a QB in this league" idea, and I agree with it, but that doesn't mean you just keep drafting them over and over again and hoping to hit. Cleveland could very easily and justifiably determine that day 2 QBs aren't that much different than day 1 QBs in this draft (and I'd probably agree with that), so it wouldn't make much sense to take one at #2.

Has all the makings of Dallas using a day 2 or 3 pick on a QB, particularly when they probably are legitimate SB-level contenders this upcoming season if they are healthy.

Odds are pretty good that "Jerry the Great" will sign Manzel after he is cut. He has stated publicly that he thinks they need to look for Romo's heir apparent. Low contract, low risk and if he pans out Jerry wont hesitate to tell the world how smart he is. The draft pick will be used to help them win now which is unfortunate for us.

[bioLarzen]

  2 hours ago, bioLarzen said:

Based on Romo's age and especially his recent injury history, it doesn't sound as a shocking idea.

That said, I think Jerry will rather reach out for Manziel or possibly RGIII.

Maybe, but my issues are:

1. Incredibly weak QB class, or at least presently perceived as so.

2. I think the days of drafting a QB in the first round and then having them sit for a few years to "learn" are long gone, given the financial benefits of getting quality production at a cheap salary and the cost of the QB jumping gigantically after their rookie deal.

3. Again, I think the Cowboys are very much interested in making a push for a SB ring in the next season or two, and using a first round pick on a QB doesn't really help that.

4. Given Romo's current contract situation, he's largely locked into a roster spot through 2017, and as such, I'd expect him to start for the duration of that period. Just can't see a team using a top 5 pick on a player who won't start for at least 2 years...

I don't think thy are gonna go for a QB in the first round, either - but there would be some sense in it - if they don't trust Romo's shoulder enough anymore.

[The Greek]

looking like we will be getting 4th rd. comp picks for mcphee and torrey and a 5th rd. for owen daniels. (4) 4th rd picks. oz could pkg one of the non 4th rd comp picks with our useless 6th rd pick and move up in one of the rds to grab a player we need

[rmcjacket23]

56 minutes ago, WNC-Raven said:

Odds are pretty good that "Jerry the Great" will sign Manzel after he is cut. He has stated publicly that he thinks they need to look for Romo's heir apparent. Low contract, low risk and if he pans out Jerry wont hesitate to tell the world how smart he is. The draft pick will be used to help them win now which is unfortunate for us.

Well. there's several players as good or better than Manziel they can sign with less risk and higher reward.

A certain other Redskins QB makes a ton more sense to me, among others.

[mettro79]

Looking at all the quality Free Agents available out there, I'm now less excited in making a splash and more excited at the opportunities we have to get better; especially when you consider the salary cap casualties that will be out there. Despite a promising last season that fell well short of what was expected, I think the resilience of our organization will attract a lot of people. 

[bioLarzen]

  1 hour ago, WNC-Raven said:

Odds are pretty good that "Jerry the Great" will sign Manzel after he is cut. He has stated publicly that he thinks they need to look for Romo's heir apparent. Low contract, low risk and if he pans out Jerry wont hesitate to tell the world how smart he is. The draft pick will be used to help them win now which is unfortunate for us.

Well. there's several players as good or better than Manziel they can sign with less risk and higher reward.

A certain other Redskins QB makes a ton more sense to me, among others.

There are conspiracy theories out there saying Manziel did everything he did just to get cut by Cleveland, so Jerry can bring him in. With Dez Bryant, Rolando McClain and Hardy already on the team, bringing in another "troubled" guy won't tarnish the franchise's image much more - and if Manziel really did all this just to get out of Cleveland and become available to the Cowboys, he won't go on making trouble once in Texas...

At least that's what the CT claims :)

[purpledown]

Benjamin would be a good addition. But the Ravens probably can t afford him.Curry has signed an extension with the Eagles.

[billiejean]

  6 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

  6 hours ago, jravens13 said:

Tunsil is a Jonathan Ogden type tackle. He is the best player in the draft. Now the Chargers taking Ronnie Staley and Bosa falling to No. 6 seems unrealistic, but if that happens I might loose my mind in excitement.

IMO if Bosa is available at 4, swap picks and trade up so the Jags don't take him. (Cowboys need a QB, but know he will still be there at 6). We would have to give up our 3rd Round Pick, or our 4th and 5th.

Bosa is as sound, and as talented as it gets at DE. On top of that he has an incredible motor and he would bring that intensity that this defense lacks Ex-Suggs.

1. I'd never classify any draft pick as a HOF type player until proven otherwise. I haven't heard anything about Tunsil that I haven't heard before about various prospect LTs. Some of them became very good, and some of them struggled for years. 

2. I have zero idea why people are convinced Dallas is taking a QB at #6, because frankly, it would shock me if they did. I'm not even sure there's a franchise QB in this entire draft class to be honest, and I don't see Dallas taking one to sit on the bench for 2-3 years, which is what will happen. I'd handicap the Browns taking a QB at #2 at 50/50 to be honest, because again, I just don't see who this quality QB is that teams are supposed to fall in love with. I get the whole "you need a QB in this league" idea, and I agree with it, but that doesn't mean you just keep drafting them over and over again and hoping to hit. Cleveland could very easily and justifiably determine that day 2 QBs aren't that much different than day 1 QBs in this draft (and I'd probably agree with that), so it wouldn't make much sense to take one at #2.

Has all the makings of Dallas using a day 2 or 3 pick on a QB, particularly when they probably are legitimate SB-level contenders this upcoming season if they are healthy.

Dallas taking a QB is about the most talked about topic currently, especially at the Senior Bowl. Would you rather start a QB who isn't ready on what is deemed to be a "win now city", or groom one as much as you can before Romo has to hang it up. BTW Romo retiring might be sooner than later, based on his ability to finish the season strong over the last few years and his re-injury history. Clearly the backup QB play is what landed them the 4th overall pick. Everyone in the NFL scouting community seems to believe that Carson Wentz has all the tools you would look for in a successful NFL QB, and it is clear that the QB is the most sought after position in the NFL. Maybe they prefer a guy who will fall to the second Round, but everyone has them all over Wentz. It is merely wishful thinking that both Dallas and Cleveland take a QB with their first picks, but everyone seems to believe that is the most likely outcome. To me Manziel is not even an option for teams, until he can prove that he can put football first. I think he ends up somewhere as a backup again under an established vet.

Tunsil will be dominant. There isn't anything else I need to say other than the fact that he is the best player in the draft and he will be the 1st player taken.

Luke Joeckel and Eric Fisher and Matt Kalil. These OTs were takin at 2, 1 and, 4 respectively and none of them has panned out. Fisher was also considered the best player in the draft and he has been anything but dominant. There are plenty of other names I could have listed there that have been taken early in the first and not panned out. OT is a crap shoot. There are no Joe Thomas' or JOs in this draft.

[rmcjacket23]

38 minutes ago, bioLarzen said:

There are conspiracy theories out there saying Manziel did everything he did just to get cut by Cleveland, so Jerry can bring him in. With Dez Bryant, Rolando McClain and Hardy already on the team, bringing in another "troubled" guy won't tarnish the franchise's image much more - and if Manziel really did all this just to get out of Cleveland and become available to the Cowboys, he won't go on making trouble once in Texas...

At least that's what the CT claims

Maybe, but the  there's the whole idea of him just not being a very good QB either...

[WNC-Raven]

47 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Maybe, but the  there's the whole idea of him just not being a very good QB either...

Your thoughts are based on logic and are spot on if we were talking about a logical person but this is Jerry jones we are talking about here. It wouldn't be a stretch to think his ego and emotion would over power his logic. He has just been so vocal about Manuel that I can't imagine him not making him an offer, even a low one. I have seen many rational, intelligent people make bad decisions based on emotion and ego. I really don't care either way except that it may affect who is available when we are on the clock. I also could see RGwhatever going to SF as a backup. I haven't heard them naming him but it seems to make sense to me.

[thecommish]

braxton miller is not a 1st round WR.... he is a talented athlete but he is still more of a project. I really dont even think he is worth a 2nd round pick! Too many other WRs that are very talented and much more polished!

[thecommish]

I wouldnt mind having travis benjamin, claiborne or reyes.... if the price was right. I really dont see any of them (excpet Maybe Claiborne) coming in and starting but everyone of them would add some much welcomed depth and make our rotation much more effective at their respective positions!

[jravens13]

7 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Couple problems I have with this idea though...

1. Its the most talked about by FANS, not necessarily by people who know what they are talking about. The entire Manziel to Dallas idea is also fan generated, as anybody in touch with football has stated multiple times that it literally makes no sense for that marriage to happen from an actual football perspective.

2. I'm not really buying the Carson Wentz hype, mostly because I don't even know where it came from. Two months ago there was practically zero discussion of him as the top QB prospect, and nothing has happened since then for that to change. There's been no combine, no pro-days, no extra game film generated that has altered anybodies perception of him, so I'm not sure why NOW he's so popular, other than the fact that its an incredibly weak QB class and the media and fans need somebody to hype up.

3. If I'm Dallas and their ownership and popularity, I'm choosing option A... start Romo and try to win a SB in the next few years, because with Romo, they are good enough to do it. I'd be more inclined to wait for somebody like Romo to actually retire than spend a high draft pick in a perceived bad QB class just out of fear of my QB getting hurt again. If you're starting QB is worth anything, and he gets hurt, you're done. The Ravens are picking 6th, and a big piece behind that is the fact that Joe missed half the season. Should we consider taking a QB also because our backups weren't any good? The answer... no. If Romo gets hurt again, and they draft Carson Wentz, Dallas will be picking in the top 10 again for several years to come.

4. I'm not going to play the guarantee game with draft picks, because I'd lose much more often than I'd win. You do that if you want to. As it stands now, I'd be happy to bet against Tunsil being the #1 overall pick, because I think that's an easy bet to win. Any team I get a team with many draft needs picking #1 (and they don't need a QB), and I get my choice between Player A and the field, I'm taking the field.

If there's anything the draft has told us its that the best player in the draft very, very rarely goes #1 overall.

Romo hasn't ever proven he can make a SB run, so I'm not sure why he would somehow pull it off now as he turns 36 in April. Crazier things have happened, but I was being generous to Dallas, knowing that Romo will has earned his keep until his body falls apart. I believe that he won't even make it through a full season next year. If you saw what he brought to the table before his injury and then getting hurt in his first game back, even with one of the best offensive lines in the NFL. And like I said you are banking playing rebuilding mode with a rookie next year or the year after? Dallas is a win now city and it is unlikely Jerry Jones lets a rookie start from day one. They could always bring in a vet to fill the void, but who is out there? 

There was zero hype around Carson Wentz because he played D2/FCS and the media didn't cover him during the CFB season. The scouts knew exactly who he was this entire season, and he will be a high 1st Round pick. Btw many coaches and scouts got to work him out during the Senior Bowl and the consensus is that he is the real deal. Goff, Lynch, Cook, are all capable of being drafted Round 1, and QB is the most important position in the NFL. But it's all just wishful thinking, like I said. 

[budman]

14 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

The most amusing thing to me about this whole thing is sort of the hypocrisy of the team and the NFL in this regard...

I mean the perception is that he's a train wreck off-the-field right? Well, if that's true... what exactly has he done to earn that label? Went out to a club drinking (which he is legally allowed to do) and then lied about it? Voluntarily checked himself into rehab in an effort to straighten himself out?

I mean where's the arrests and the off-field incidents? There's these two alleged things with his GF, but other than that, I'm actually not seeing him do anything that many other NFL players aren't doing on arguably a nightly basis.

I mean I guess you make the case that because he's a QB he shouldn't be doing these things, which is a valid argument, but I think all the bashing about his off-field transgressions is a bit overblown and lacks perspective when compared to the league itself.

I mean anybody who hangs out in the city often enough late at night would know that there's no shortage of Ravens players who, even in-season, are out late at clubs and bars having a good time.

I don't think his partying is the cause or reason. Like you stated "There's these two things with his girlfriend" (and a possible third thing with another female) and as minor it may be to some, it is THE red flag now as you probably know. Mix in alleged assault, drinking early a.m hours and there you have it. All it takes anymore is to be accused or associated with any assault and it spells big trouble. Fair? no, but cautious is a must.

[rmcjacket23]

8 hours ago, jravens13 said:

Romo hasn't ever proven he can make a SB run, so I'm not sure why he would somehow pull it off now as he turns 36 in April. Crazier things have happened, but I was being generous to Dallas, knowing that Romo will has earned his keep until his body falls apart. I believe that he won't even make it through a full season next year. If you saw what he brought to the table before his injury and then getting hurt in his first game back, even with one of the best offensive lines in the NFL. And like I said you are banking playing rebuilding mode with a rookie next year or the year after? Dallas is a win now city and it is unlikely Jerry Jones lets a rookie start from day one. They could always bring in a vet to fill the void, but who is out there? 

There was zero hype around Carson Wentz because he played D2/FCS and the media didn't cover him during the CFB season. The scouts knew exactly who he was this entire season, and he will be a high 1st Round pick. Btw many coaches and scouts got to work him out during the Senior Bowl and the consensus is that he is the real deal. Goff, Lynch, Cook, are all capable of being drafted Round 1, and QB is the most important position in the NFL. But it's all just wishful thinking, like I said. 

I mean that's great and all, but I don't just say that QBs can't make a SB run because they haven't. 100% of the things you hear about Romo you heard about Joe Flacco... and then, you didn't hear those things anymore.

I'm not saying the Cowboys will make the SB... I said they are a viable contender for it when they have their key guys healthy. They're largely as talented a team as anybody in the NFC, and they play in a division that lacks talent significantly.

Maybe he does make it through a season, or maybe he doesn't, but I don't think that has anything to do with the Cowboys taking a QB at #6, because one doesn't have anything to do with the other. If they take a QB at 6, they aren't taking him there for 2016 or even 2017, which is why I don't think they're really even considering it.

 

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44 minutes ago, budman said:

I don't think his partying is the cause or reason. Like you stated "There's these two things with his girlfriend" (and a possible third thing with another female) and as minor it may be to some, it is THE red flag now as you probably know. Mix in alleged assault, drinking early a.m hours and there you have it. All it takes anymore is to be accused or associated with any assault and it spells big trouble. Fair? no, but cautious is a must.

Possibly true, but if the alleged incidents with his GF were the only thing on his "resume", he'd still be playing for the Browns next season and might even start for him.

Its a combination of perceived poor decision making COMBINED with the position that he played, which is the real factor here. There are guys with more baggage and far more questions regarding decision making playing other positions in this league that get long term, high value extensions on probably an annual basis.

The position he plays is the key reason why he's being perceived so poorly.

[Bob21043]

Manziel is a trainwreck in the NFL. He's another player who excelled in the college game, but can't seem to make the transition to the pros. Add in his off-field antics and you have a real problem for a team. Wouldn't be surprised if he goes the way of Tebow and won't find work on the field anymore.