Who will our safeties be next season?

[Winchester]

On 2/5/2016 at 10:52 PM, PurpleCity5 said:

I honestly like Ramsey more as a CB. He can honestly become a Tyrann Matheiu like player. A guy who can play at CB/S and help stuff the run. Pretty much a do-it-all kind of guy, I don't think he has to play one-single position. Pees can probably mix in more 3-safety sets. 

I would think Ramsey plays fs and moves around from covering WRs TEs and in the box safety as well as  a lb on throwing downs because he tackles and hits like a LB.

[spitfire418]

9 hours ago, Winchester said:

I would think Ramsey plays fs and moves around from covering WRs TEs and in the box safety as well as  a lb on throwing downs because he tackles and hits like a LB.

He's so versatile that we may as well just call him a defender lol. He can play all over the field on defense.

[PurpleCity5]

19 hours ago, Winchester said:

I would think Ramsey plays fs and moves around from covering WRs TEs and in the box safety as well as  a lb on throwing downs because he tackles and hits like a LB.

I think he can do both. I do think that you would like to see him more in deep coverage but he's gifted athletically and is a smart player.

19 hours ago, Winchester said:

 

[RaineV1]

I think Ramsey has a ton of potential as a LB/S hybrid, similar to what the Cardinals do. He could turn out to be a great replacement for Daryl Smith, and play in the box next to Mosley, and out in the slot.

[spitfire418]

42 minutes ago, RaineV1 said:

I think Ramsey has a ton of potential as a LB/S hybrid, similar to what the Cardinals do. He could turn out to be a great replacement for Daryl Smith, and play in the box next to Mosley, and out in the slot.

I don't think we should draft Ramsey to play LB for us. First of all, he's only 6'1 / 200 which would be a really small linebacker and I just think he would be a much better asset to have in the secondary. He should either end up being one of our starting outside corners or a FS/SS in my opinion.

Edited February 7, 2016 by spitfire418

[allblackraven]

57 minutes ago, RaineV1 said:

I think Ramsey has a ton of potential as a LB/S hybrid, similar to what the Cardinals do. He could turn out to be a great replacement for Daryl Smith, and play in the box next to Mosley, and out in the slot.

I don't see that happening ever.

[RaineV1]

3 hours ago, spitfire418 said:

I don't think we should draft Ramsey to play LB for us. First of all, he's only 6'1 / 200 which would be a really small linebacker and I just think he would be a much better asset to have in the secondary. He should either end up being one of our starting outside corners or a FS/SS in my opinion.

The Cardinals use an extra safety in place of one of their inside linebackers, Deone Bucannon. He's only ten pounds heavier than Ramsey. And their defense is faster and more opportunistic because of it.

The Rams also switched out one of their linebackers for an extra safety. Mark Barron, and it has worked well.

Edited February 7, 2016 by RaineV1

[Winchester]

When Will Davis plays he is clearly the most talented cornerback on the ravens. I do not like Webb at fs!! He is getting slow very fast. Ramsey's best position is fs. He is a supercharged Malcolm Jenkins and Tyran Mathieu. Ravens secondary would look nice with Davis Hill and Ramsey and jimmy playing at least at an acceptable level. And Jeremy Lane signed for nickel. Although my favorite defensive player is Spence!! He alone makes the rest of the defense better.

[JoeyFlex5]

Hopefully Ramsey is in the conversation. I like darian thompson as well, very underrated prospect and he could be the next legit center fielder.

 

As of now though, it's Webb and hill, I don't expect hill in our long term plans unfortunately, same goes for Webb. We need to find 2 starting safeties before the 2017 season starts. I'm hoping we can alleviate a lot of that pressure via this draft, while also finding a good edge rusher to make the safeties lives easier. 

 

I hate to say it but this defense has quite ways to go before it's a feared unit again. We have quite the uphill climb to make up for draft busts and aging players, we may see another 3 seasons of ugly defense, I'm just hoping we have enough offense to salvage some pride and keep us from having more seasons like this last one

[cobrajet]

I see a lot of love for the potential of getting Ramsey in the draft. I really hope he falls to us, but like many of the draft experts are predicting I find it hard to believe that Jax (a team that really needs secondary improvement) would pass on a big athletic player like Ramsey. I just don't see it, but I hope I am wrong. If we picked up Ramsey, I see him starting at CB for us, with Webb as FS and Hill as SS.

[Jacquouille]

3 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Hopefully Ramsey is in the conversation. I like darian thompson as well, very underrated prospect and he could be the next legit center fielder.

Glad I'm not the only one liking Thompson. He's a game changer.

 

19 minutes ago, cobrajet said:

I see a lot of love for the potential of getting Ramsey in the draft. I really hope he falls to us, but like many of the draft experts are predicting I find it hard to believe that Jax (a team that really needs secondary improvement) would pass on a big athletic player like Ramsey. I just don't see it, but I hope I am wrong. If we picked up Ramsey, I see him starting at CB for us, with Webb as FS and Hill as SS.

Yeah, I don't see them passing on Ramsey either, except if they wanna go to the Gator, namely VH3... But Ramsey is on another level to me.

[cobrajet]

5 minutes ago, Jacquouille said:

Yeah, I don't see them passing on Ramsey either, except if they wanna go to the Gator, namely VH3... But Ramsey is on another level to me.

VH3 is solid but Ramsey has the size I like. IMHO he would be their pick.

[Jacquouille]

I still trust Brooks and Elam to make the leap, I just hope they can stay heatlhy and get on the field.

[spitfire418]

10 hours ago, RaineV1 said:

The Cardinals use an extra safety in place of one of their inside linebackers, Deone Bucannon. He's only ten pounds heavier than Ramsey. And their defense is faster and more opportunistic because of it.

The Rams also switched out one of their linebackers for an extra safety. Mark Barron, and it has worked well.

I like the whole idea of putting a safety in at linebacker, especially when you have a lot of safety depth on the team, but I just don't think we should draft Ramsey at #6 and then play him at linebacker instead of in the secondary. I would rather put Ramsey in the secondary and move Hill or Brooks to linebacker if we were going to do something like that. Not saying Ramsey can't play linebacker for us, but he just has so much potential to be a great secondary player and we really need one of those.

6 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Hopefully Ramsey is in the conversation. I like darian thompson as well, very underrated prospect and he could be the next legit center fielder.

 

As of now though, it's Webb and hill, I don't expect hill in our long term plans unfortunately, same goes for Webb. We need to find 2 starting safeties before the 2017 season starts. I'm hoping we can alleviate a lot of that pressure via this draft, while also finding a good edge rusher to make the safeties lives easier. 

I think Darian Thompson is a good player too. I wouldn't say he's underrated anymore though. He was a couple months ago, but he seems to be moving up the draft boards a lot. For the picks we have now, the only one I see us getting him at would be our second rounder and he might even end up going first, you never know. Plus if we get Ramsey, then I definitely don't see us going with back-to-back db's. If we don't get him though then it's possible. I honestly think this safety class is really good this year, and I would wait until the 4th or 5th round to take a safety. I've mentioned them before, but I would like to get Tyvis Powell from Ohio State or the local guy, Sean Davis from Maryland.

 

Also, I agree that we need to find not one, but two new starting safeties. We all know Webb doesn't have much longer with us, and Will Hill's contract is up next year. I think we let Hill go like we do with other players and find new guys through the draft, which might be the ones from this year's draft.

[sflegend89]

As of right now... 

 

SS: Will Hill

FS: Webb

 

If we end up with Ramsey it will be interesting where we play him his rookie year. I think we would probably use him at CB and then possibly move him to FS somewhere down the line. Then again a lot of people thought Patrick Peterson would end up at FS but he played so well at corner that he stayed there permanently.

[spitfire418]

21 hours ago, sflegend89 said:

As of right now... 

 

SS: Will Hill

FS: Webb

 

If we end up with Ramsey it will be interesting where we play him his rookie year. I think we would probably use him at CB and then possibly move him to FS somewhere down the line. Then again a lot of people thought Patrick Peterson would end up at FS but he played so well at corner that he stayed there permanently.

I say we start him at corner if we end up drafting him and then move him around at different positions throughout the season to see what all he can do. Will Hill and Webb are our starters as of now, but they could both be gone by the end of next season which would make us have to find two new starting safeties and Ramsey could possibly be one of them.

[rudywasoffsides]

William Moore got cut by the Falcons. He has been hurt alot the past few years, that is a guy we could get for the low and would be a huge upgrade, plus he is still pretty young. Seems like a good gamble to me. Cut Elam and Lewis, they are both awful

[spitfire418]

7 minutes ago, rudywasoffsides said:

William Moore got cut by the Falcons. He has been hurt alot the past few years, that is a guy we could get for the low and would be a huge upgrade, plus he is still pretty young. Seems like a good gamble to me. Cut Elam and Lewis, they are both awful

Definitely wouldn't sign him. We have good depth and a lot of potential starters on our roster now and we have the draft coming up where we can get a young guy for a cheap price. Moore is 30 years old by the way and isn't really needed. He could end up being worse than Kendrick Lewis, you never know. Only thing I agree with is that we should cut Lewis this off-season. We need to accept the fact that he was a terrible signing and release him which would actually save another one million in cap room I think. No way Elam should be cut, he was a first round pick and showed potential in his rookie year, don't know what happened in his sophomore year, and then obviously the injury last season. With Webb and Hill already starting and Elam and Brooks as backups for now, we don't need to sign any one at safety. Drafting one or possibly even two should definitely happen though. Webb will be gone soon and Hill may not be re-signing after next season. We need to re-build the safety position on our team and with Elam/Brooks and/or the guys we get in the draft this year should hopefully become our future starters.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

I think Hill and Webb are the starters currently with Elam, Brooks and maybe Lewis battling for depth and sub packages. 

But if Webb really is going to be our full time safety he needs to take a serious pay cut. As of now he'd be among the highest paid safeties in the league. 

I think Ramsey goes #5 to Jax so I'm keeping him out of the thought process. 

[spitfire418]

1 hour ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

I think Hill and Webb are the starters currently with Elam, Brooks and maybe Lewis battling for depth and sub packages. 

But if Webb really is going to be our full time safety he needs to take a serious pay cut. As of now he'd be among the highest paid safeties in the league. 

I think Ramsey goes #5 to Jax so I'm keeping him out of the thought process. 

We need to cut Lewis, no question. He is not the future and it's time to rebuild the safety position on our team. Webb will be gone soon and possibly Hill, so we're probably going to need to find two new starters by the end of next season. I agree that Webb is being paid way to much for the level of play that he's at in his career, especially as a safety now. I sadly agree that Ramsey won't last until our pick, but we can pray for it. The safety class is solid this year though and we could find a potential starter outside of the first round of the draft.

[The Beak]

Don't sleep on W Davis he is a playmaker when at the nickel spot, if he can come back strong, IMHO Webb and Hill start at s. Elam and Brooks not far behind. Smith and Ramsey  at CB (if we draft him) Davis at nickel

[spitfire418]

7 minutes ago, The Beak said:

Don't sleep on W Davis he is a playmaker when at the nickel spot, if he can come back strong, IMHO Webb and Hill start at s. Elam and Brooks not far behind. Smith and Ramsey  at CB (if we draft him) Davis at nickel

Hopefully this is what the secondary looks like to start the year. Although, I would like to see someone on the team take Webb's spot sometime during the season. Webb could end up being a good safety, but even if he is, he won't be the long-term answer. His body is beat-up from all the injuries and his level of play is falling of season by season. I honestly want him to restructure his contract because I think he's getting paid too much for a safety of his caliber (which we haven't even seen much of yet). Do you guys think we could end up cutting him this off-season? I think there is a small chance, but I don't see it happening in the end.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

12 hours ago, spitfire418 said:

We need to cut Lewis, no question. He is not the future and it's time to rebuild the safety position on our team. Webb will be gone soon and possibly Hill, so we're probably going to need to find two new starters by the end of next season. I agree that Webb is being paid way to much for the level of play that he's at in his career, especially as a safety now. I sadly agree that Ramsey won't last until our pick, but we can pray for it. The safety class is solid this year though and we could find a potential starter outside of the first round of the draft.

I dont think Hill is going anywhere soon. He's still very young, very talented, has overcome his off field issues so far, and hasnt really had that break out season where he'd break the bank to resign. So, I think we'll get an extension done with him after/during the season is he continues to play well.

Webb could prolong his stay in Baltimore with the switch to safety, so long as hes ok with his pay reflecting the position change. I dont think its a coincidence that when Webb switched to FS our pass defense suddenly became one of the best in the league. He sees the field well and when he can sit back, watch the QB and then break downfield hes still ok; its when he's got to cut, change directions, accelerate/decelerate quickly that he has issues. 

Id prefer not to create issues where they dont exist and those 2 could hold down the position for another couple years with Brooks maybe working his way in for Webb in 2 years. 

I agree on Lewis, if we can save $1-2 mill by cutting him I see no reason to keep him. He under-performed and we have a logjam at the position anyways especially with Trawick probably making the team bc of his ST prowess.

[spitfire418]

1 hour ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

I dont think Hill is going anywhere soon. He's still very young, very talented, has overcome his off field issues so far, and hasnt really had that break out season where he'd break the bank to resign. So, I think we'll get an extension done with him after/during the season is he continues to play well.

Webb could prolong his stay in Baltimore with the switch to safety, so long as hes ok with his pay reflecting the position change. I dont think its a coincidence that when Webb switched to FS our pass defense suddenly became one of the best in the league. He sees the field well and when he can sit back, watch the QB and then break downfield hes still ok; its when he's got to cut, change directions, accelerate/decelerate quickly that he has issues. 

Id prefer not to create issues where they dont exist and those 2 could hold down the position for another couple years with Brooks maybe working his way in for Webb in 2 years. 

I agree on Lewis, if we can save $1-2 mill by cutting him I see no reason to keep him. He under-performed and we have a logjam at the position anyways especially with Trawick probably making the team bc of his ST prowess.

It's either Webb and Hill stay for another couple of years or they are both gone by the end of next season. We'll just have to see what happens.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

44 minutes ago, spitfire418 said:

It's either Webb and Hill stay for another couple of years or they are both gone by the end of next season. We'll just have to see what happens.

Why couldnt say.... Hill get another deal and Webb be gone after the year?

I dont get why you think its both or none.

[spitfire418]

6 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Why couldnt say.... Hill get another deal and Webb be gone after the year?

I dont get why you think its both or none.

It doesn't have to be both or none, but I think it should be. If we're going to let Hill go in FA then I believe we should start to rebuild that position with players much younger than Webb. We have Brooks and Elam as backups already and we will probably add some in the draft and we might even add some in the next draft. So by the end of next season we should have options if they both leave. If they end up playing good though then we may as well keep them both I guess. Maybe one plays good and one plays bad, who knows. It all just depends on how they perform this season.

Edited February 9, 2016 by spitfire418

[ALPHA]

Look at the difference Darian Stewart made in Denver, it just goes to show the difference pass rush and corner help has on the position. Im ok with Webb and Hill but they cant play every receiver by themselves, they need help.

[HoldingCall]

On ‎2‎/‎9‎/‎2016 at 8:03 PM, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

I think Hill and Webb are the starters currently with Elam, Brooks and maybe Lewis battling for depth and sub packages. 

But if Webb really is going to be our full time safety he needs to take a serious pay cut. As of now he'd be among the highest paid safeties in the league. 

I think Ramsey goes #5 to Jax so I'm keeping him out of the thought process. 

The pay can get confusing this coming season. Example: what happens if he is used as a CB in certain packages or if someone get injured and he returns to CB to fill in? I do agree that Webb has made out like a bandit. On the flip side, his flexibility has to be worth something. The question is, how much of a cut? How much is he worth?

[Edgar@llenP0e]

Ramsey is Poope.

[Static]

I'm still holding onto high hopes for Brooks. I'm confident we can put up a formidable pair of safeties with the guys we have on the roster. 

 

CB needs love though.