Who will our safeties be next season?

[spitfire418]

I was wondering what you guys think of the safety position next year. How do you think it will pan out? We have a ton of options already along with free agency and the draft coming up. I personally think we have our starters and even good depth on the team already, but I love the DB's in the draft this year, especially the safeties. Also, who knows if we sign or cut anyone in the free agency period because that is very possible and could change the whole situation.

[RavensFanMania]

As  they have it now, our starters are Webb at FS and Hill at SS, with Elam battling out a backup role.  I see Ozzie really likeing Jalen Ramsey out of FSU.  His versatility in the secondary is huge.  He can play everywhere in the secondary, but his best position is safety.  I could see him playing a hybrid C/S role, ie Tyrann Mathieu.  He's one of my top prospects in the draft. 

[ravenz2752]

7 minutes ago, RavensFanMania said:

As  they have it now, our starters are Webb at FS and Hill at SS, with Elam battling out a backup role.  I see Ozzie really likeing Jalen Ramsey out of FSU.  His versatility in the secondary is huge.  He can play everywhere in the secondary, but his best position is safety.  I could see him playing a hybrid C/S role, ie Tyrann Mathieu.  He's one of my top prospects in the draft. 

I see Ramsey playing mostly CB for us though, it would give him the most play time

[spitfire418]

21 minutes ago, RavensFanMania said:

As  they have it now, our starters are Webb at FS and Hill at SS, with Elam battling out a backup role.  I see Ozzie really likeing Jalen Ramsey out of FSU.  His versatility in the secondary is huge.  He can play everywhere in the secondary, but his best position is safety.  I could see him playing a hybrid C/S role, ie Tyrann Mathieu.  He's one of my top prospects in the draft. 

I also like Jalen Ramsey and I think he's an extremely talented player, but I don't think we should spend the #6 pick on a safety. We have a lot of depth there right now so I would only spend a first rounder on a corner if we were to go secondary with that pick or even trade down a little. I know Ramsey could be a corner, but I like him more as a safety and don't think we need one that high in the draft. If he was drafted to be our starting corner I would be ecstatic because we really need a corner, especially with Webb moving to safety. He would instantly bolster our secondary which would be great, but I just think we should go with something besides a safety with our first rounder unless we make the decision to put him at corner when we draft him. Also, the safety class is deep this year and has a ton of later round guys that could be good players.

Edited February 3, 2016 by spitfire418

[Tru11]

Webb and hill i picture to be the starters with elam/brooks playing in sub packages.

ramsey will play nickle if we draft him

[spitfire418]

12 hours ago, Tru11 said:

Webb and hill i picture to be the starters with elam/brooks playing in sub packages.

ramsey will play nickle if we draft him

It would be nice to get Ramsey at #6 and play him at nickel and even outside corner. I LOVE him as a safety, but we have so much depth there, plus he could be a great corner too. He's a special player. I think Jalen Ramsey and Myles Jack are can't miss prospects if they are at pick 6. You don't see guys like them every year. I also love VH3 because he's a very talented true corner, but I would say we go with Jack or Ramsey at #6 if they are there. This is also coming from a big Florida Gators fan lol. In the end though, I'd be excited to get any one of those three players.

Edited February 3, 2016 by spitfire418

[RavensDieHard21]

15 hours ago, ravenz2752 said:

I see Ramsey playing mostly CB for us though, it would give him the most play time

I agree, while he is more of a natural Safety, I think if drafted he will start as a CB to assess his abilities there. But, he could be used in a hybrid role if he didn't excel at safety.

[757RavensFan]

If we draft Ramsey, I wouldn't be surprised to see this secondary to start the season.  

FS: Ramsey

SS : Hill

CB: Smith and Wright

Nickel:  Webb(pay cut/extension) 

[spitfire418]

59 minutes ago, 757RavensFan said:

If we draft Ramsey, I wouldn't be surprised to see this secondary to start the season.  

FS: Ramsey

SS : Hill

CB: Smith and Wright

Nickel:  Webb(pay cut/extension) 

Looks nice honestly, but I wouldn't draft Ramsey to play safety even though I love him there. I would try him at corner because it's a big need and he will have the potential to still be a safety for us down the road. We have a lot of guys that could start for us there and I don't think Webb wants to play nickel if he stays with us, but who knows. Hopefully Jimmy can step his game up and Wright can do good, but I'd like an upgrade from Wright if possible.

 

For safety, I say we try to find someone from the group we have now and if nobody works out then we switch Ramsey there.

Edited February 3, 2016 by spitfire418

[lgcs27288]

I dont understand the argument that we have a lot of depth at safety. I agree we have spent attention and money there and that we have a lot of bodies there, but good, quality depth? Im not so sure. Webb might be the answer, I hope he is, I like him, but he is constantly getting injured. Kendrick Lewis was a bad pick up. Matt Elam? He was starting to come around in training camp so it seemed, but he has really struggled during the season. Terrence Brooks? He has the potential to step up, but injuries have held him back too.

 

Not too mention, Arrington wasnt very good and will likely be gone. So we will need another nickel corner.

 

We have a lot of guys there, but Im not so sure on the depth part.

[Daft Classic]

I still am holding out hope for Will Davis to break out and we get Ramsey, and if both happen, I love our secondary:

FS: Webb

SS: Hill

CB1: Smith

CB2: Ramsey/Wright

CB3: Ramsey/Wright

CB4: Davis

[spitfire418]

1 hour ago, lgcs27288 said:

I dont understand the argument that we have a lot of depth at safety. I agree we have spent attention and money there and that we have a lot of bodies there, but good, quality depth? Im not so sure. Webb might be the answer, I hope he is, I like him, but he is constantly getting injured. Kendrick Lewis was a bad pick up. Matt Elam? He was starting to come around in training camp so it seemed, but he has really struggled during the season. Terrence Brooks? He has the potential to step up, but injuries have held him back too.

 

Not too mention, Arrington wasnt very good and will likely be gone. So we will need another nickel corner.

 

We have a lot of guys there, but Im not so sure on the depth part.

It just depends how you put it. We have a lot of guys that are proven or have shown potential to be good and I think that's depth. I guess you could say we have a lot of possible options? I don't know lol, but safety looks good as of now. We can try out a lot of guys there in camp and even as the season goes on... unless we stick to watching someone like Kendrick Lewis play awful all year instead of making a change, which I hope doesn't happen.

[ellicottraven]

Webb, Hill, Lewis, Elam, Brooks, Trawick and one late round draft pick that is a steal.

[PurpleCity5]

Will Hill just hasn't been a great FS and I don't know why. In his time in New York he played FS and was damn good at it. I don't know about the scheme he played in but he was phenomenal there. We'll see if a more in the box role is just best for him. 

I'm going with Webb and Hill, but it wouldn't suprise me if we got a guy like Darian Thompson who is really good and he manages to push Webb out of here. 

Edited February 4, 2016 by PurpleCity5

[spitfire418]

1 hour ago, ellicottraven said:

Webb, Hill, Lewis, Elam, Brooks, Trawick and one late round draft pick that is a steal.

I hope we take a late round safety even if we draft Ramsey. Two later round guys that I love are Tyvis Powell from Ohio State and Sean Davis from Maryland. I honestly want both of them lol. The safety class is good this year.

[spitfire418]

49 minutes ago, PurpleCity5 said:

Will Hill just hasn't been a great FS and I don't know why. In his time in New York he played FS and was damn good at it. I don't know about the scheme he played in but he was phenomenal there. We'll see if a more in the box role is just best for him. 

I'm going with Webb and Hill, but it wouldn't suprise me if we got a guy like Darian Thompson who is really good and he manages to push Webb out of here. 

Will is our SS and he's played decent if you look at how bad everyone in the secondary has played. Literally nobody stands out in our secondary, which is sad because we have lots of talent there. I wouldn't take Darian Thompson though, he seems like a good players, but he's going to be a first rounder or a high second rounder and I don't think we should spend that high of a pick on a safety with the players we have there now. I still want to get Ramsey though because he's a can't-miss type of talent at CB and S. I say we take a safety in the 4th round or later though. The safety class looks really nice this year and has a bunch of potential late round starters. Powell (OSU) and Davis (MD) are my boys. I pray that we at least get one of them.

[allblackraven]

56 minutes ago, PurpleCity5 said:

Will Hill just hasn't been a great FS and I don't know why. In his time in New York he played FS and was damn good at it. I don't know about the scheme he played in but he was phenomenal there. We'll see if a more in the box role is just best for him. 

I'm going with Webb and Hill, but it wouldn't suprise me if we got a guy like Darian Thompson who is really good and he manages to push Webb out of here. 

Hill had Antrel Rolle next to him and Rolle had pretty much career year in 2013. That helped a lot.

[ALPHA]

Can you imagine a year of Webb and Hill trying to take down tight ends?

[PurpleCity5]

9 hours ago, allblackraven said:

Hill had Antrel Rolle next to him and Rolle had pretty much career year in 2013. That helped a lot.

Hill was still very good at the time, I think PFF ranked him as a top 5 safety. Having Rolle there helps but Hill was very good at the time. 

Edited February 4, 2016 by PurpleCity5

[spitfire418]

You guys probably won't like it, but what about this lineup (if we get Ramsey):

FS: Ramsey

SS: Brooks/Elam

LB: Will Hill plays the "Bucannon" role

CB: Smith, Wright, Webb plays slot/nickel corner

This would possibly change if we were to draft a LB or CB. 

Also, Webb and D. Smith could be gone soon.

Edited February 4, 2016 by spitfire418

[757RavensFan]

1 hour ago, spitfire418 said:

You guys probably won't like it, but what about this lineup (if we get Ramsey):

FS: Ramsey

SS: Brooks/Elam

LB: Will Hill plays the "Bucannon" role

CB: Smith, Wright, Webb plays slot/nickel corner

 

Also, this would change if we were to draft a LB or CB along with Ramsey.

 

That's A LOT of inexperience at the safety positions. The 3 combined, don't even have a season worth of game experience. That reason alone, I don't like it.  

Edited February 4, 2016 by 757RavensFan

[spitfire418]

Yeah it's a lot of inexperience, but you gotta start somewhere. You can't just bench guys because they are young. Teams start young inexperienced guys all the time, including safeties. With Ramsey at pick #6, why not start him, we always start our first rounders. Matt Elam started an entire year his rookie year and played a lot in his second so he has experience. Brooks has some experience too, he's been here for 2 years now. So that's easily more than a season worth of game experience and the fact that Ramsey is a top 10 pick in the draft. I just think it would be a cool idea to actually start developing some young safeties with the talent and potential they have. Webb is old/injured and will be gone soon and then Will Hill's contract will be up soon, so why not? Knowing our coaches though, it probably won't happen. They like scrubs as in Kendrick Lewis and won't make changes when they're obviously needed.

 

Also, I'd like to say that we have to start rebuilding sometime. You can't just expect us to keep playing a bunch of "experienced" old veteran guys at safety. The young guys might even be better. You just don't know until you give them a chance and put them in a position to succeed. It's time to rebuild some spots on our team and safety is one of them.

Edited February 4, 2016 by spitfire418

[PurpleCity5]

I honestly like Ramsey more as a CB. He can honestly become a Tyrann Matheiu like player. A guy who can play at CB/S and help stuff the run. Pretty much a do-it-all kind of guy, I don't think he has to play one-single position. Pees can probably mix in more 3-safety sets. 

[spitfire418]

9 minutes ago, PurpleCity5 said:

I honestly like Ramsey more as a CB. He can honestly become a Tyrann Matheiu like player. A guy who can play at CB/S and help stuff the run. Pretty much a do-it-all kind of guy, I don't think he has to play one-single position. Pees can probably mix in more 3-safety sets. 

I agree that he can basically do everything, but he's only played one full year of corner. I think his skill set and knowledge of the game so far fits more of the safety position, but I'd still try him at corner if we end up drafting him. Also, I wouldn't mind him switching around at positions throughout the year if he's up to it. We have a lot of safeties on our roster right now that could start for and we might even draft another one (I really hope we do). Could you imagine the athleticism on the field if we found a way to start Ramsey, Brooks, Smith, Hill, Mosley, and the possibility of another athletic rookie at CB and/or LB in the lineup. Some of our players on defense and even offense are pretty slow/old and we need to find and develop some young athletic guys because a lot of other teams are becoming faster and faster every year. Speed kills... It really does. You can't teach speed. I feel like we've been leaning more towards these faster players in the draft lately like Perriman, Brooks, or even Waller. Jalen Ramsey would for sure add to the speed/athleticism of some of our recent draft picks.

 

Also, I'd like to say that I hope having Pees doesn't ruin another high potential secondary prospect like Ramsey. I know some of you guys feel like Elam and Brooks are busts, but look at all of our secondary guys play. Everyone in our secondary has played bad recently, including guys that have showed they can be really good players, like Smith and Hill. I feel like Pees has failed the young guys especially though, but I hope that doesn't continue, especially with Ramsey possibly coming in.

[PurpleCity5]

45 minutes ago, spitfire418 said:

I agree that he can basically do everything, but he's only played one full year of corner. I think his skill set and knowledge of the game so far fits more of the safety position, but I'd still try him at corner if we end up drafting him. Also, I wouldn't mind him switching around at positions throughout the year if he's up to it. We have a lot of safeties on our roster right now that could start for and we might even draft another one (I really hope we do). Could you imagine the athleticism on the field if we found a way to start Ramsey, Brooks, Smith, Hill, Mosley, and the possibility of another athletic rookie at CB and/or LB in the lineup. Some of our players on defense and even offense are pretty slow/old and we need to find and develop some young athletic guys because a lot of other teams are becoming faster and faster every year. Speed kills... It really does. You can't teach speed. I feel like we've been leaning more towards these faster players in the draft lately like Perriman, Brooks, or even Waller. Jalen Ramsey would for sure add to the speed/athleticism of some of our recent draft picks.

 

Also, I'd like to say that I hope having Pees doesn't ruin another high potential secondary prospect like Ramsey. I know some of you guys feel like Elam and Brooks are busts, but look at all of our secondary guys play. Everyone in our secondary has played bad recently, including guys that have showed they can be really good players, like Smith and Hill. I feel like Pees has failed the young guys especially though, but I hope that doesn't continue, especially with Ramsey possibly coming in.

He did play CB in his freshmen year to be fair. I think he's more refined than given credit for there honestly. I think of him as a guy you move around your defense. I don't know about his abilities truly as a safety, but I think he could be good there, I just like him as a CB more, I saw NFL.com compare him to Sean Smith and I actually agree with it. I think he is more versatile but for the most part they're very similar. 

 

I do favor more athleticism, I think we need to get younger and faster at linebacker. I think we could use speed at the edge, Upshaw was pretty slow so his coverage skills weren't good at all, and Daryl Smith is getting up there to the point that it won't help him. I really want to get faster at linebacker, we were slow there last year. 

 

I don't know about Pees honestly, we're going to draft a CB IMO so he'll have a hand in the development regardless, might as well go with Ramsey/Hargreaves/Alexander. 

[spitfire418]

1 hour ago, PurpleCity5 said:

He did play CB in his freshmen year to be fair. I think he's more refined than given credit for there honestly. I think of him as a guy you move around your defense. I don't know about his abilities truly as a safety, but I think he could be good there, I just like him as a CB more, I saw NFL.com compare him to Sean Smith and I actually agree with it. I think he is more versatile but for the most part they're very similar. 

 

I do favor more athleticism, I think we need to get younger and faster at linebacker. I think we could use speed at the edge, Upshaw was pretty slow so his coverage skills weren't good at all, and Daryl Smith is getting up there to the point that it won't help him. I really want to get faster at linebacker, we were slow there last year. 

 

I don't know about Pees honestly, we're going to draft a CB IMO so he'll have a hand in the development regardless, might as well go with Ramsey/Hargreaves/Alexander. 

I like Ramsey at everything so it's hard to pick one spot lol, If we draft him I would love to see us start him at corner just like you do. I completely agree with that.

Our linebackers (excluding Mosley) are really slow and don't really fit the "modern" style of having extremely athletic guys which seems to be working out pretty good for other teams. First off, Suggs is a great player but he's old/slow/injured which is sad but true. Elvis Dumervil is good as well but he's old/small/average speed. Daryl Smith is old too with just average ILB speed. Then there's Upshaw who is very similar to Suggs from a size and speed perspective and for some reason we try to use him in coverage and it's embarrassing to watch. He's not someone who should be dropping back. We could also get more speed at corner as of now (besides Smith because he's big and athletic) with Webb (safety/corner now I guess) being old/washed up, and Wright isn't the most speedy/athletic guy either. I'm not saying every player on our team needs to run a 4.2, but from what we have now, we need to add speed to our team just as others are doing.

I honestly want Pees to be fired. It's time for a change of scenery at the defensive coordinator spot. We have been to loyal to him over the years and he probably should've been fired already. He has shown that he can't develop talent in the secondary with his coaching and schemes. He also doesn't always put the best lineups out on the field and tends to put young guys in the "doghouse" which is stupid. I'm sure Harbaugh has some input in the lineup part of it, but either way I think it's time for a change.

Edited February 5, 2016 by spitfire418

[PurpleCity5]

9 hours ago, spitfire418 said:

I like Ramsey at everything so it's hard to pick one spot lol, If we draft him I would love to see us start him at corner just like you do. I completely agree with that.

Our linebackers (excluding Mosley) are really slow and don't really fit the "modern" style of having extremely athletic guys which seems to be working out pretty good for other teams. First off, Suggs is a great player but he's old/slow/injured which is sad but true. Elvis Dumervil is good as well but he's old/small/average speed. Daryl Smith is old too with just average ILB speed. Then there's Upshaw who is very similar to Suggs from a size and speed perspective and for some reason we try to use him in coverage and it's embarrassing to watch. He's not someone who should be dropping back. We could also get more speed at corner as of now (besides Smith because he's big and athletic) with Webb (safety/corner now I guess) being old/washed up, and Wright isn't the most speedy/athletic guy either. I'm not saying every player on our team needs to run a 4.2, but from what we have now, we need to add speed to our team just as others are doing.

I honestly want Pees to be fired. It's time for a change of scenery at the defensive coordinator spot. We have been to loyal to him over the years and he probably should've been fired already. He has shown that he can't develop talent in the secondary with his coaching and schemes. He also doesn't always put the best lineups out on the field and tends to put young guys in the "doghouse" which is stupid. I'm sure Harbaugh has some input in the lineup part of it, but either way I think it's time for a change.

I agree with how you feel about our linebackers. They're slow, I think we need more speed there but I also think we need guys who can cover, period. I think Mosley, Smith, and Upshaw didn't do a great job in coverage. I think we need some more speed there, in the secondary as well. I do prefer more smart and instinctive players but if they come with speed then I think we will covet them. 

 

As far as Pees goes, he's here to stay. Nothing I can really say about that. 

[rmw10]

I think there's a clear mutual respect between Harbaugh and Webb.  Webb has done a lot to help the team over the past couple of years in regards to pay cuts, restructures, etc.  I'd be surprised if he's not here.

 

Webb, Hill, Brooks, Elam, Trawick, and  maybe a draft pick.

 

Lewis and Levine would be gone in this scenario.

[GrimCoconut]

1 hour ago, rmw10 said:

I think there's a clear mutual respect between Harbaugh and Webb.  Webb has done a lot to help the team over the past couple of years in regards to pay cuts, restructures, etc.  I'd be surprised if he's not here.

 

Webb, Hill, Brooks, Elam, Trawick, and  maybe a draft pick.

 

Lewis and Levine would be gone in this scenario.

That's how I see it. I think Ramsey is tops on our board and I think we'd use him at CB but really everywhere, even at LB and obviously safety. He was originally recruited as a CB, too, and I believe Brooks even said he believes he's better as a CB as well. He brings a little bit of the attitude this team lacks. We need more players making plays that get in the opponent's head. 

[spitfire418]

1 hour ago, GrimCoconut said:

That's how I see it. I think Ramsey is tops on our board and I think we'd use him at CB but really everywhere, even at LB and obviously safety. He was originally recruited as a CB, too, and I believe Brooks even said he believes he's better as a CB as well. He brings a little bit of the attitude this team lacks. We need more players making plays that get in the opponent's head. 

I think he's at the top of our board too. Hopefully he drops to us and we put him at corner and even try him out all over the field. It would be cool to see him and Brooks reunite too. We also have Timmy J. on the team. I want Ramsey to be a corner and all, but I think it would be cool to see him and Brooks be our starting safeties one day. They are both very athletic and aggressive players that bring an attitude like you said. Also, I think they could build some great chemistry together and become a really good safety duo for us.

3 hours ago, rmw10 said:

I think there's a clear mutual respect between Harbaugh and Webb.  Webb has done a lot to help the team over the past couple of years in regards to pay cuts, restructures, etc.  I'd be surprised if he's not here.

 

Webb, Hill, Brooks, Elam, Trawick, and  maybe a draft pick.

 

Lewis and Levine would be gone in this scenario.

I agree that we have respect for Webb with what he's done for us and we'll probably end up keeping him at least for next season.

 

Also, I hope we end up drafting a safety and get Ramsey as well. This is my favorite safety class since I've started really scouting players a couple years ago. I want to get either Sean Davis or Tyvis Powell in the 3-5 round range. Both those guys could end up starting one day and would add great depth for a mid round pick. Hopefully we take one and don't mess up like last year when we took Tray Walker over my boy Adrian Amos who starts for the Bears already.

 

I want to see Lewis gone. We'll save around 1m from cutting him and could probably even find someone for that price that can play as good lol. I hope we can get Levine back though, because he's a good special teams guy and a good locker room guy to have.

Edited February 5, 2016 by spitfire418