Reports: kaepernick wants out of SF

[January J]

8 minutes ago, Drew P said:

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Use the ear ly pick. ULookhe later trade-able picks to  move back into the end of the first.

Even at 15 we still easily have a shot at jaylon smith or spence- who otherwise would be a top 10 pick anyway- maybe top 5. Look at the value in the second round, we can get Several playmakers to help us NOW as Opposed to one player who will boom or bust. You can find game changers anywhere in the draft, esp in the first 3 rounds. I know ive Said it many times but antonio Brown was a 6th rounder and josh norman was a fifth.

Heck treadwell, jack Or raglan may still be there at 15 anyway too. And we dont Necessarily have to drop to 15..we can drop one spot, swap with San fran And still get the same guy we originally would have.

Edited February 3, 2016 by January J

[Mad Puppy]

1 minute ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

the difference in talent at 6th looks to have very little drop off over the following 10 picks. once tunsil, ramsey, bosa, and buckner are gone, then there are no guaranteed blue chip guys, and buckner could be seen as not worthwhile for us because hes another DE/DT hybrid and obviously we would prefer a  real edge rusher(although i would love buckner here). 

 

would you rather "reach" for treadwell or hargreaves at 6th, or get a future first and 2 more 2nd rounders from the rams and get a guy of equal or maybe even superior talent like spence or alexander? standing pat and taking one of those guys 6th overall presents more risk of a bust than trading back with the rams and getting one of those guys plus having 3 second round picks, we are much more likely to improve this team that way.

hmmm.

I suppose it depends on how confident you are in Ozzie making a bust pick in the 1st round? My opinion is at #6 Ozzie cannot be wrong.

where in the 2nd round Historically Ozzie likes to take a risk and pick someone who though talented has warts. so to me do I want "bigger potential bust" (3 2nd round risk picks) or a bonafide Star?

Again it is all in how you view it.

[JoeyFlex5]

lets also not discount the idea that we really dont need 2 qb's to go before us. 

 

i wouldnt put it past the rams to see that they have a very good roster and are just short a qb and wr. they could think paxton lynch is a total bust-waiting-to-happen and they are desperate for either goff or wentz if only 1 qb is taken ahead of us, forcing their hand so they dont settle for a guy they dont think will pan out.

[JoeyFlex5]

1 minute ago, Mad Puppy said:

hmmm.

I suppose it depends on how confident you are in Ozzie making a bust pick in the 1st round? My opinion is at #6 Ozzie cannot be wrong.

where in the 2nd round Historically Ozzie likes to take a risk and pick someone who though talented has warts. so to me do I want "bigger potential bust" (3 2nd round risk picks) or a bonafide Star?

Again it is all in how you view it.

unless bosa or ramsey or buckner is the pick at 6th, i dont see any bonafide stars that dont have blemishes, not by a long shot. but with 4 picks in the top 50 i think we have a much better shot at landing a bonafide star, like i said, the drop off from 6 to 15 is honestly not that big in this draft. last years draft i would have said hell no to trading back, but this year is just a different story. 

 

spence/alexander/smith/ragland at 15 plus 2 more 2nd rounders is just ridiculous value compared to the guys at 6th.

[ALI624]

Let's hold out hope that SF makes an incredible offer to just move up one spot and prevent anyone from leap frogging them.

[usmccharles]

1 minute ago, ALI624 said:

Let's hold out hope that SF makes an incredible offer to just move up one spot and prevent anyone from leap frogging them.

Yea, even for an extra second it would be worth even if another team offers their 2 and 3 imo

[Jaybirds]

5 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

spence/alexander/smith/ragland at 15 plus 2 more 2nd rounders is just ridiculous value compared to the guys at 6th.

Remember everything I said about not taking Treadwell at 6?   If he's there at 15 I'm bullrushing the podium. 

[JoeyFlex5]

1 minute ago, Jaybirds said:

Remember everything I said about not taking Treadwell at 6?   If he's there at 15 I'm bullrushing the podium. 

honestly, all it takes is a 4.55 at the combine to make him fall to 15. i find it very hard to believe that a 4.5+ wr goes top 10, and he is actually expected to run a 4.6 or slower.

[Drew P]

15 minutes ago, January J said:

Even at 15 we still easily have a shot at jaylon smith or spence- who otherwise would be a top 10 pick anyway- maybe top 5. Look at the value in the second round, we can get Several playmakers to help us NOW as Opposed to one player who will boom or bust. You can find game changers anywhere in the draft, esp in the first 3 rounds. I know ive Said it many times but antonio Brown was a 6th rounder and josh norman was a fifth.

Heck treadwell, jack Or raglan may still be there at 15 anyway too. And we dont Necessarily have to drop to 15..we can drop one spot, swap with San fran And still get the same guy we originally would have.

I don't understand why would SF trade with the Ravens?

[Jaybirds]

1 minute ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

honestly, all it takes is a 4.55 at the combine to make him fall to 15. i find it very hard to believe that a 4.5+ wr goes top 10, and he is actually expected to run a 4.6 or slower.

For our next Aiken/Steve Smith Sr., I'm okay with that.  Let Perriman be the speed threat.  And we still have a spare 2nd round pick to grab more speed! 

Let's say this happens:  Treadwell at 15, our 2nd round pick plus two from St. Louis.   Who's our pass rusher in the 2nd or 3rd? 

[usmccharles]

Just now, Drew P said:

I don't understand why would SF trade with the Ravens?

why wouldn't they?

[ALI624]

2 minutes ago, Drew P said:

I don't understand why would SF trade with the Ravens?

Keep another team from leap frogging them.

[Mad Puppy]

12 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

unless bosa or ramsey or buckner is the pick at 6th, i dont see any bonafide stars that dont have blemishes, not by a long shot. but with 4 picks in the top 50 i think we have a much better shot at landing a bonafide star, like i said, the drop off from 6 to 15 is honestly not that big in this draft. last years draft i would have said hell no to trading back, but this year is just a different story. 

 

spence/alexander/smith/ragland at 15 plus 2 more 2nd rounders is just ridiculous value compared to the guys at 6th.

Fair Points. I suppose you are glad I'm not the GM 

I have confidence in Ozzie with as many picks as you suggest.

However, would you give up two 2nd rounders for the #6 pick and your #15? I suspect the Rams (who under Fisher usually get the better end of a draft trade deal) will not sell the farm to move up from 15.

More than likely they would offer their #15, maybe the later 2nd rounder, a later round pick and a future pick (maybe round 2 the following year). A trade with the Rams is more likely to happen between Dallas and the Rams in my opinion.

We can dream I definitely hear you, but realistically that haul is not gonna happen to the Ravens.

[January J]

24 minutes ago, Drew P said:

3 minutes ago, Mad Puppy said:

Fair Points. tosuppose you are glad I'm not the GM 

I have confidence in O zzie with as many picks as you suggest.

However, would you give up two 2nd rounders for the #6 pick and your #15? I suspect the Rams (who under Fisher usually get the better end of a draft trade deal) will not sell the farm to move up from 15.

More than likely they would offer their #15, maybe the later 2nd rounder, a later round pick and a future pick (maybe round 2 the following year). A trade with the Rams is more likely to happen between Dallas and the Rams in my opinion.

We can dream I definitely hear you, but realistically that haul is not gonna happen to the Ravens.

 

If we get those teams in a  Bidding war anything can happen. they are gonna want a shiny new qb To go into LA with them, so they may be desperate if their Guy is sitting there for the taking.

[Jaybirds]

4 minutes ago, Mad Puppy said:

Fair Points. I suppose you are glad I'm not the GM 

I have confidence in Ozzie with as many picks as you suggest.

However, would you give up two 2nd rounders for the #6 pick and your #15? I suspect the Rams (who under Fisher usually get the better end of a draft trade deal) will not sell the farm to move up from 15.

More than likely they would offer their #15, maybe the later 2nd rounder, a later round pick and a future pick (maybe round 2 the following year). A trade with the Rams is more likely to happen between Dallas and the Rams in my opinion.

We can dream I definitely hear you, but realistically that haul is not gonna happen to the Ravens.

I don't think we have to take anything less.  What's the worse that could happen for us?  We're stuck taking Alexander at 6?  Oh darn.

[January J]

10 minutes ago, Jaybirds said:

For our next Aiken/Steve Smith Sr., I'm okay with that.  Let Perriman be the speed threat.  And we still have a spare 2nd round pick to grab more speed! 

Let's say this happens:  Treadwell at 15, our 2nd round pick plus two from St. Louis.   Who's our pass rusher in the 2nd or 3rd? 

Yannick.

[Drew P]

4 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

why wouldn't they?

Well because it makes zero sense to move one spot that will be far too costly. And NO the Rams arent trading away their future neither lol. They robbed the Skins years ago with a QB as the target of the deal and how did that work out for each team?

[usmccharles]

Just now, Drew P said:

Well because it makes zero sense to move one spot that will be far too costly. And NO the Rams arent trading away their future neither lol. They robbed the Skins years ago with a QB as the target of the deal and how did that work out for each team?

You don't know that though.  If the qb they want is there and we call them and say "hey, LA is giving us this to move up" then who knows....its for sure not out of the question

[JoeyFlex5]

8 minutes ago, Mad Puppy said:

Fair Points. I suppose you are glad I'm not the GM 

I have confidence in Ozzie with as many picks as you suggest.

However, would you give up two 2nd rounders for the #6 pick and your #15? I suspect the Rams (who under Fisher usually get the better end of a draft trade deal) will not sell the farm to move up from 15.

More than likely they would offer their #15, maybe the later 2nd rounder, a later round pick and a future pick (maybe round 2 the following year). A trade with the Rams is more likely to happen between Dallas and the Rams in my opinion.

We can dream I definitely hear you, but realistically that haul is not gonna happen to the Ravens.

theyre moving to LA, fishers future employment with them is not exactly guaranteed as he has always been the epitome of mediocrity and he is doing nothing to change that with the rams, they are squandering a very good team with horrible qb play, they need some hype to bring with them to LA, best way to do that is get a good young qb, wentz or goff are both the kinds of guys who i believe could get them going in a new city and get the fanfare built up quickly, and moving from 15th to 6th for 2 2nd rounders, pshhh that is asking politely on the ravens end lol, a future first on top of that is where things start to get out of reach i think.

 

13 minutes ago, Drew P said:

I don't understand why would SF trade with the Ravens?

cleveland takes a qb, the rams are offering a fat haul to move up from 15 to leapfrog SF for the remaining qb. meanwhile kaepernick is raising hell about how he wants out of the organization, after chip kellys soap opera ending in philly the last thing the team needs after his hire is a qb who is going to the media and creating a circus, SF really likes this remaining qb, we call them and tell them of the rams offer, they know if they dont match the value then they lose their guy. 

its all been explained, and discussed pretty in depth...

Edited February 3, 2016 by JoeyFlex5

[JoeyFlex5]

30 minutes ago, Drew P said:

Well because it makes zero sense to move one spot that will be far too costly. And NO the Rams arent trading away their future neither lol. They robbed the Skins years ago with a QB as the target of the deal and how did that work out for each team?

you could also make the argument that they used those picks to build a solid roster and now they are just short a qb and they can afford to make such a move. 

 

they also wouldnt be trading away their future. we arent talking 3 first round picks, were talking their 2 2nd rounders or a 2nd and next years first.  

 

on a separate note, who thinks there is any possibility of SF trading past us? what if the cowboys feel they can get a guy they really covet at 7th? i could see a scenario where they are between myles jack, DeBuck, vh3, and tread, and they can get some nice value by trading back and still getting their guy. im not sure how that would benefit us, but i still worry that we probably miss out on bosa and ramsey in this scenario as well

[Drew P]

27 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

theyre moving to LA, fishers future employment with them is not exactly guaranteed as he has always been the epitome of mediocrity and he is doing nothing to change that with the rams, they are squandering a very good team with horrible qb play, they need some hype to bring with them to LA, best way to do that is get a good young qb, wentz or goff are both the kinds of guys who i believe could get them going in a new city and get the fanfare built up quickly, and moving from 15th to 6th for 2 2nd rounders, pshhh that is asking politely on the ravens end lol, a future first on top of that is where things start to get out of reach i think.

 

cleveland takes a qb, the rams are offering a fat haul to move up from 15 to leapfrog SF for the remaining qb. meanwhile kaepernick is raising hell about how he wants out of the organization, after chip kellys soap opera ending in philly the last thing the team needs after his hire is a qb who is going to the media and creating a circus, SF really likes this remaining qb, we call them and tell them of the rams offer, they know if they dont match the value then they lose their guy. 

its all been explained, and discussed pretty in depth...

Well I did read this far flung scenario and I still don't see a premise for any of these teams to mortgage their future. The Rams can easily draft Lynch, sign RG3 or even select Connor Cook. I dont see much of a difference in skill sets between Lynch and Wentz given that the Browns take Goff. Dallas doesn't take a QB in the first they are looking at RB or WR.

Trades rarely materialize in the early rounds and typically end up being more of a smoke screen.

[JoeyFlex5]

25 minutes ago, Drew P said:

Well I did read this far flung scenario and I still don't see a premise for any of these teams to mortgage their future. The Rams can easily draft Lynch, sign RG3 or even select Connor Cook. I dont see much of a difference in skill sets between Lynch and Wentz given that the Browns take Goff. Dallas doesn't take a QB in the first they are looking at RB or WR.

Trades rarely materialize in the early rounds and typically end up being more of a smoke screen.

wat? first round trades happen almost every year, you realize this right? 

 

and sure, the rams can take the guy who is well known to be a child mentally, self centered egomaniac. dallas looking at rb or wr, yeah im sure they take elliott 4th overall, laquon treadwell would be a reach there as well.. and even if only one qb goes before us, its not hard to believe that one of the qb needy teams doesnt like paxton lynch at all and wants to trade up for the other guy that is remaining. 

 

the rams trading up for a future franchise qb is MUCH more unfathomable then them moving to a new city and signing RG3 and expecting him to usher in the new era. yeah, wise suggestion, im sure they like one of the nfls current egomaniacs with twizzlers for knees and zero skillset as a passer, or the next jay cutler in connor cook to lead their team to glory in LA before they squander their stacked roster.

Edited February 3, 2016 by JoeyFlex5

[January J]

56 minutes ago, Drew P said:

WelThey'r euse it makes zeh sense totheire one spot that  will I y be f ar too costly. And NO thie Rams arent trading away their future neither lol. They robbed the Skins years ago with a QB as the target of the deal and how did that work out for each team?

It actually Makes alot of sense. That was a diffrent time and a diffrent scenario and has zero To do with this upcoming draft. Theyre Not "trading away their future"..its 2 second round picks to possibly get the quarterback for Their future. And even the Possibility of the rams trading with Us could get san Fran worried enough to offer up a 2nd and a 4th..which i Would consider taking over the other offer to move one spot and still get the same player.

[GrimCoconut]

1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

you could also make the argument that they used those picks to build a solid roster and now they are just short a qb and they can afford to make such a move. 

 

they also wouldnt be trading away their future. we arent talking 3 first round picks, were talking their 2 2nd rounders or a 2nd and next years first.  

 

on a separate note, who thinks there is any possibility of SF trading past us? what if the cowboys feel they can get a guy they really covet at 7th? i could see a scenario where they are between myles jack, DeBuck, vh3, and tread, and they can get some nice value by trading back and still getting their guy. im not sure how that would benefit us, but i still worry that we probably miss out on bosa and ramsey in this scenario as well

I can see a scenario where the Niners trade ahead of us to secure a QB, but I think they may just as well trade with us

[Jacquouille]

My porridge went smooth this morning, I had my shares of good grades, and now that? I don't know what I did yesterday, but today is a great day!

Clearly the best news of the last weeks, this is huge! I'm sorry, I haven't read all the comments, there are just too many. But now, the trade back scenario is much more plausible and I hope you guys understand how much this means. We can get something Spence or maybe Treadwell in the teens and then have two second rounders at least, this is big!

 

Also, I tink people tend to believe that the only trade scenario would be for QB needy teams. Let's say this, if Hargreaves (Florida) were to fall to us, and Miami is right after us, and TB obviously wants him and knows too well that Miami wants him too... Feel me? Just wanted to tell this, and didn't know where.

[GrimCoconut]

1 hour ago, Drew P said:

Well I did read this far flung scenario and I still don't see a premise for any of these teams to mortgage their future. The Rams can easily draft Lynch, sign RG3 or even select Connor Cook. I dont see much of a difference in skill sets between Lynch and Wentz given that the Browns take Goff. Dallas doesn't take a QB in the first they are looking at RB or WR.

Trades rarely materialize in the early rounds and typically end up being more of a smoke screen.

Goff is a perfect fit because he's accurate and would likely make good use of Tavon Austin, and would also provide the fans a local guy. Fans really do like local people, so having Goff would be a great selling point for a franchise back in LA, a city based off of such moves in terms of name recognition.

[Drew P]

1 hour ago, January J said:

7 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

Goff is a perfect fit because he's accurate and would likely make good use of Tavon Austin, and would also provide the fans a local guy. Fans really do like local people, so having Goff would be a great selling point for a franchise back in LA, a city based off of such moves in terms of name recognition.

 

Fans don't get to create the roster and the Rams are the only team that will be playing in LA this year. They get a TV deal and start printing money day 1 with or without Goff.

[GrimCoconut]

Just now, Drew P said:

Fans don't get to create the roster and the Rams are the only team that will be playing in LA this year. They get a TV deal and start printing money day 1 with or without Goff.

Fans sure help when it comes to filling seats. Furthermore, I question your understanding of how LA is if you think people will just show up regardless. 

[Drew P]

3 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

Fans sure help when it comes to filling seats. Furthermore, I question your understanding of how LA is if you think people will just show up regardless. 

I question your understanding of the NFL's business model regarding revenue. Why does the owner care about filling in seats? The money is in the TV deal and the revenue sharing.

The Houston Astros just a few short years ago recorded the highest net profit for any sport team in history on a TV deal when the seats were empty and the viewership registered 0. That report is now in question but it is certainly possible. Seats are peanuts...

[JoeyFlex5]

24 minutes ago, Drew P said:

I question your understanding of the NFL's business model regarding revenue. Why does the owner care about filling in seats? The money is in the TV deal and the revenue sharing.

The Houston Astros just a few short years ago recorded the highest net profit for any sport team in history on a TV deal when the seats were empty and the viewership registered 0. That report is now in question but it is certainly possible. Seats are peanuts...

without fan support the team has low ratings.

 

with low ratings the teams televised games are blacked out.

 

with blackouts the team doesnt receive the TV endorsements. 

 

with a massive billion plus dollar stadium you cant afford to squander a stacked team with nick foles at qb. i question if you can see the big picture in anything.