Reports: kaepernick wants out of SF

[JoeyFlex5]

Kaepernick vocally wants out of SF, citing the front office as a problem to him, he Reportedly doesn't trust the organization and is still bitter about them running harbaugh out of town, and with a totalitarian coach like Kelly he may feel uneasy, and I can't say I blame him. 

 

The more vocal he becomes about this, the more our trade value rises, if all of this becomes a headline then suddenly we have tons of options. Without a bosa or Ramsey available at 6th, then our top goal should be to trade back for the rams 2 second rounders. 

 

I think the obvious target there becomes spence, then with 3 second rounders, just imagine the haul... A first 2 rounds consisting of spence, and Then with our original 2nd we can go strictly bpa and grab who ever may have fell, possibly a Corey Coleman, kevin dodd, shaq lawson, and Then later on with our new picks we can possibly land some combination of boyd, fuller, and maybe a Jason spriggs or eli apple. 

 

This news on kaepernick is huge and I hope this plays itself out in our favor, this team could use a break like this.

[thieverycorporation]

@ 114 million dollars it may be a stretch for a team to want to acquire. He isn't exactly lighting the world on fire. I hear what your saying and do agree but it's really too soon as free agency has yet to play out. I'd love the Rams picks as well. And the only likely scenario we'd move back. Maybe the Haubaughs got to him lol

The Rams could offer him that and/or trade for him out right. 

Edited February 3, 2016 by thieverycorporation

[JoeyFlex5]

7 minutes ago, thieverycorporation said:

@ 114 million dollars it may be a stretch for a team to want to acquire. He isn't exactly lighting the world on fire. I hear what your saying and do agree but it's really too soon as free agency has yet to play out. I'd love the Rams picks as well. And the only likely scenario we'd move back. Maybe  the Haubaughs got to him lol

New HC, a QB raising Hell in the media about not wanting to be there, that's a circus no team wants. He could certainly be cut just to avoid making the Kelly transition more strenuous than it needs to be. In which case they hold a top 10 pick and there are some solid guys for Kelly's offense, I think goff is a dream fit for Kelly's pro style offense and lynch is a solid fit as well and certainly worth the investment. 

 

I wouldn't put it past kaepernick to stir up enough of a stink to get his release. 

 

Let's also not forget that we don't need to see a trade to know that the kaeperchip marriage could be futile and they are ready to draft a qb for the future. They could take goff and keep kaepernick for the year as a backup

Edited February 3, 2016 by JoeyFlex5

[ellicottraven]

After you posted it, I checked it out and was extremely excited about it. This changes the trade dynamics for the Ravens for sure. The only option for SF if they don't want to allow somebody trading with us to pick their QB ahead of SF is SF trading down with either us or Jacksonville. I doubt Jacksonville trades with SF because both Jacksonville and us covet the same player perhaps (Ramsey)? So, it just makes for an interesting draft for sure. Let's keep rooting for Colin to create a bad stink in SF!

[thieverycorporation]

1 minute ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

New HC, a QB raising Hell in the media about not wanting to be there, that's a circus no team wants. He could certainly be cut just to avoid making the Kelly transition more strenuous than it needs to be. In which case they hold a top 10 pick and there are some solid guys for Kelly's offense, I think goff is a dream fit for Kelly's pro style offense and lynch is a solid fit as well and certainly worth the investment. 

 

I wouldn't put it past kaepernick to stir up enough of a stink to get his release

You could be on to something. Kelly can't afford to have any problems initially. With players, especially. 

[Jaybirds]

The Eagles have two 3rd round picks.  It'd probably take more than that, but I could see them being a trade-back partner as well.  Maybe for a QB, maybe for Stanley. 

But man, this draft could be amazing with 3 picks in the second round.  I'm sure we'd get a WR and a CB.... and possibly a second CB after that!  We could still get a guy like Jaylon, Spence, or Leonard Floyd in the first.  Maaaaaybe even Treadwell since we're still ahead of Detroit (if Megatron retires, I don't see Treadwell getting past the Lions). 

I hate getting my hopes up.  But this could be great for us. 



 

[PolishRifle]

I'd be surprised, if we get to see more than 1 QB get picked in the 1st round, early. It's not a great QB class at all. You can wait for the 2nd round and get a devent guy to develop at the right value.

[BmoreBird22]

8 minutes ago, PolishRifle said:

I'd be surprised, if we get to see more than 1 QB get picked in the 1st round, early. It's not a great QB class at all. You can wait for the 2nd round and get a devent guy to develop at the right value.

Teams don't think like this, at all. I'm willing to bet that at least Goff goes top 10 and Wentz easily goes in the first round, quite possibly top 10 as well.

[Jaybirds]

Having a thin QB class is pretty much why this works for us. If Cleveland and Dallas both take QBs, then someone is going to overreact to get the third one.  The only problem I see is that a 4th quarterback could do something to raise his stock (maybe at the combine?), or Dallas trades back with the Eagles or Rams and we lose our market for #6. 

Edited February 3, 2016 by Jaybirds

[JoeyFlex5]

1 hour ago, PolishRifle said:

I'd be surprised, if we get to see more than 1 QB get picked in the 1st round, early. It's not a great QB class at all. You can wait for the 2nd round and get a devent guy to develop at the right value.

brandon weeden, christian ponder, blanie gabbert, jake locker, tim tebow, ej manuel, mark sanchez.. 

 

when teams need a qb, they dont care about value, more often than not they just take their guy and the last remaining one in the first round either falls to the top of the 2nd or goes to the highest bidder, if there are 3 first rounders in this draft and the top 2 are gone by 6, then there will be a bidding war for the final guy, because you have SF, NO, PHI, and LA, who will all want that last guy. 

 

i think the guy we need to slip to us is goff, we need to see wentz and lynch go to cleveland and dallas, respectively, i think goff is going to be very highly valued by both SF and LA, one because goff is a prototype qb for chips system, and LA because they need a flashy pick at QB and they would love to keep him in cali to generate some hype. goffs quick release style also seems to work well for sean paytons offense as well, not sure about philly though.. 

 

i think if 2 qb's go before us then there will be some high stakes phone calls going on about our pick

[Jaybirds]

30 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

you have SF, NO, PHI, and LA, who will all want that last guy

I'd add Houston to that list.  Da Bears might be on there as well  EDIT:  or not.   We only need one of them to panic. 

Having said that, there are some non-draft solutions.  Kaepernick is probably available, as well as RGIII.  Fitzpatrick and Cutler are free agents  EDIT:  except not Cutler, someone could see them as a starter.   Dallas and the Saints may think they have time to develop a player, so it's not a first round concern.  But even conservatively, it looks like 4 teams could want 3 QBs in the first round. 

How certain are we Dallas will take a QB in the first?  If they trade back we're back to square 1. 

 

Edited February 3, 2016 by Jaybirds

[usmccharles]

2 minutes ago, Jaybirds said:

I'd add Houston to that list.  Da Bears might be on there as well.   We only need one of them to panic. 

Having said that, there are some non-draft solutions.  Kaepernick is probably available, as well as RGIII.  Fitzpatrick and Cutler are free agents, someone could see them as a starter.   Dallas and the Saints may think they have time to develop a player, so it's not a first round concern.  But even conservatively, it looks like 4 teams could want 3 QBs in the first round. 

How certain are we Dallas will take a QB in the first?  If they trade back we're back to square 1. 

 

Cutler isn't a FA until 2021...so yea

I don't think Dallas goes QB, I think they are in win now mode and either go Treadwell, or defense. 

[JoeyFlex5]

2 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

Cutler isn't a FA until 2021...so yea

I don't think Dallas goes QB, I think they are in win now mode and either go Treadwell, or defense. 

contrary to popular belief though, jerry is no dummy in the draft, im not sure if he handles the draft, but whoever handles that, is no dummy. im sure they understand that there is no "win now mode" if you dont have a qb, romo has been very beaten up and i dont think they trust him to stay on the field for a full 20 games if theyre aiming for a super bowl. 

 

you also cant count out that one team is sold on wentz, goff, or lynch and wont settle for the 3rd. its been done with crappier qb prospects before, cough tebow.

[Jaybirds]

5 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

Cutler isn't a FA until 2021...so yea

I don't think Dallas goes QB, I think they are in win now mode and either go Treadwell, or defense. 

My bad.  Somehow I thought he was.  Though maybe Chicago still wants a QB because he's still Cutler/ 

[ALI624]

2 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

contrary to popular belief though, jerry is no dummy in the draft, im not sure if he handles the draft, but whoever handles that, is no dummy. im sure they understand that there is no "win now mode" if you dont have a qb, romo has been very beaten up and i dont think they trust him to stay on the field for a full 20 games if theyre aiming for a super bowl. 

 

you also cant count out that one team is sold on wentz, goff, or lynch and wont settle for the 3rd. its been done with crappier qb prospects before, cough tebow.

But do you think Dallas thinks that one of these guys are ready day one much less ready for a playoff run.  I don't believe that so I think they go with someone that can contribute right away and grab a QB later in the draft.

[JoeyFlex5]

8 minutes ago, ALI624 said:

But do you think Dallas thinks that one of these guys are ready day one much less ready for a playoff run.  I don't believe that so I think they go with someone that can contribute right away and grab a QB later in the draft.

their team has few weaknesses though. sure it might not be the most likely scenario, but it shouldnt be discounted at all. they may want an edge rusher, they may want an insurance plan for sean lee and take myles jack, they may want buckner for marinellis front 4, but they could just as much want a qb at 4, the value is plausible on all of those suggestions and all the moves make sense. 

 

also, as its been stated before, teams who want a qb, take their qb. and its not about "is he ready to make a playoff run right now", but if romo goes down this year, can they still compete, and do they have a plan for the future, win now mode doesnt necessarrily mean they have to win a super bowl this year and if they dont then its a bust. if they draft wentz or goff and he pans out, they are in another 4-5 year window of opportunity at minimum.

[usmccharles]

18 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

contrary to popular belief though, jerry is no dummy in the draft, im not sure if he handles the draft, but whoever handles that, is no dummy. im sure they understand that there is no "win now mode" if you dont have a qb, romo has been very beaten up and i dont think they trust him to stay on the field for a full 20 games if theyre aiming for a super bowl. 

 

you also cant count out that one team is sold on wentz, goff, or lynch and wont settle for the 3rd. its been done with crappier qb prospects before, cough tebow.

I agree with you in a sense, they have been drafting well and I don't think they will see the value at reaching that high for a QB at 4 when they can get a difference maker day one then get a QB later.  I wouldn't agree that there isn't a "win now" mode though. 

17 minutes ago, Jaybirds said:

My bad.  Somehow I thought he was.  Though maybe Chicago still wants a QB because he's still Cutler/ 

Well there were a lot of rumors the year after they just signed him to his extension that the Bears wanted to move on

[ALI624]

1 minute ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

their team has few weaknesses though. sure it might not be the most likely scenario, but it shouldnt be discounted at all. they may want an edge rusher, they may want an insurance plan for sean lee and take myles jack, they may want buckner for marinellis front 4, but they could just as much want a qb at 4, the value is plausible on all of those suggestions and all the moves make sense. 

 

also, as its been stated before, teams who want a qb, take their qb. and its not about "is he ready to make a playoff run right now", but if romo goes down this year, can they still compete, and do they have a plan for the future, win now mode doesnt necessarrily mean they have to win a super bowl this year and if they dont then its a bust. if they draft wentz or goff and he pans out, they are in another 4-5 year window of opportunity at minimum.

All true just don't see them taking a QB, but that's just me.  I agree they need to probably draft one of them at 4 just don't see it actually happening, but I've been wrong before and will be wrong again.

[Mad Puppy]

I don't want the Ravens to move down. Already 10 picks in this draft with only what one 7th rounder and a 6th or two......gonna be a good draft no matter what.

And moving down form 6th will net what? Probably the least of your top favorite guys. Not worth it. This team needs Blue Chip Play makers, dropping down will not get you that.

[Jaybirds]

I could see Dallas taking someone to replace Greg Hardy.  I'm sure they'd take Bosa, I think they'd take Buckner.  But my real fear is that they do trade back to get Ezekiel Elliott to take the pressure off of Romo.  We'd lose a potential trade partner, but maybe that just puts even more pressure on someone else to trade up as well. 

[ALI624]

1 minute ago, Jaybirds said:

I could see Dallas taking someone to replace Greg Hardy.  I'm sure they'd take Bosa, I think they'd take Buckner.  But my real fear is that they do trade back to get Ezekiel Elliott to take the pressure off of Romo.  We'd lose a potential trade partner, but maybe that just puts even more pressure on someone else to trade up as well. 

Hopefully they are looking at Henry in the 2nd.

[usmccharles]

1 minute ago, Jaybirds said:

I could see Dallas taking someone to replace Greg Hardy.  I'm sure they'd take Bosa, I think they'd take Buckner.  But my real fear is that they do trade back to get Ezekiel Elliott to take the pressure off of Romo.  We'd lose a potential trade partner, but maybe that just puts even more pressure on someone else to trade up as well. 

I have them taking Robinson from ALabama in my mock

[January J]

Soon as I saw this news I almost started salivating over the possibilities. I think kap said he would prefer to go to new York or something..I reeally don't care where he goes..just keep on creating a stink so they're uncertain about this season and have no choice but to take a qb whether he stays or not. We are in the best, PRIME position to make this happen. Other teams ahead of us will be reluctant to trade back with anybody bc they all have a shot at a blue chipper. And we are one spot ahead of San Fran @6..right in that middle area where we could still possibly land a game changer or just use that as leverage to come out with a boatload of picks. I think the best case scenario (for a tradeback) would be Cleveland to take Wentz and for Dallas to either take lynch or just pass on a qb all together. This way Goff is still there and we can dangle him  in front of San Fran who he would be a perfect fit for..st Louis or even philly. Start a bidding war and whoever backs up the truck and dumps the most value gets him. Originally I had hoped that Cleveland and Dallas take a qb obviously so we got a shot at tunsil, bosa or Ramsey- but I think this is way more appealing looking at st louiss 2 2nd rounders..or even moving one spot back and still getting the same player such as Ramsey or spence.  Moving back to 15 and getting those 2second round picks would put us in perfect position for spence (hopefully) and with the value in the second round this year with that one move we could drastically improve our defense in one swing. 3 second round picks!?  Lol it's just crazy to think about how one man's decision  to want to go elsewhere could effect the entire future of a franchise and send our trajectory in a completely different direction.

[Jaybirds]

1 minute ago, Mad Puppy said:

I don't want the Ravens to move down. Already 10 picks in this draft with only what one 7th rounder and a 6th or two......gonna be a good draft no matter what.

And moving down form 6th will net what? Probably the least of your top favorite guys. Not worth it. This team needs Blue Chip Play makers, dropping down will not get you that.

I made a list of 15 guys, not including quarterbacks, that could go early.  So if we traded back with the Rams, then at least two of these people would be available to us at 15  (more likely 3 (Cleveland goes QB) or 4 (Dallas does too)). 

1 Bosa 2 Ramsey 3 Tunsil 4 Stanley 5 Buckner 6 Jack 7 Smith 8 Spence 9 Hargreave 10 Treadwell 11 Alexander 12 Ragland 13 Robinson 14 Elliott 15 Billings

Jack, Ragland, and Billings probably aren't the best fit.  But like I said, at least two of these guys WILL be there if we trade back to 15. 

[January J]

23 minutes ago, ALI624 said:

 But do you thinkAWentzs BJerryks that one owithuse   guys a rtte ready day one   much less reaeady for a playoff run.  I don't believe that so I think they go with someone that can contribute right away and grab a QB later in the draft.

Doesnt Matter, they will want to start grooming him now so he can learn behind romo. Smart Teams knock out issues ahead of time. And they dont Believe they will be picking this high again for quite some time. If You Have a shot at afuture franchise qb and your current qb is 38 years old With back issues- you take it. The hype around wentz Will only grow the closer we get to the draft, Jerry wont Be able to resist. He is already  who everybody is talking about after the senior bowl.

[ALI624]

2 minutes ago, January J said:

Doesnt Matter, they will want to start grooming him now so he can learn behind romo. Smart Teams knock out issues ahead of time. And they dont Believe they will be picking this high again for quite some time. If You Have a shot at afuture franchise qb and your current qb is 38 years old With back issues- you take it. The hype around wentz Will only grow the closer we get to the draft, Jerry wont Be able to resist. He is already  who everybody is talking about after the senior bowl.

Romeo is 35, not that it truly matters, but like I said I agree they probably need to draft a QB at 4 I just don't see it happening.

[Drew P]

6 minutes ago, Mad Puppy said:

I don't want the Ravens to move down. Already 10 picks in this draft with only what one 7th rounder and a 6th or two......gonna be a good draft no matter what.

And moving down form 6th will net what? Probably the least of your top favorite guys. Not worth it. This team needs Blue Chip Play makers, dropping down will not get you that.

No doubt about it. They are picking at 6 primarily due to lack of talent.

Use the early pick. Use the later trade-able picks to move back into the end of the first.

[Mad Puppy]

13 minutes ago, Mad Puppy said:

I don't want the Ravens to move down. Already 10 picks in this draft with only what one 7th rounder and a 6th or two......gonna be a good draft no matter what.

And moving down form 6th will net what? Probably the least of your top favorite guys. Not worth it. This team needs Blue Chip Play makers, dropping down will not get you that.

 

9 minutes ago, Jaybirds said:

I made a list of 15 guys, not including quarterbacks, that could go early.  So if we traded back with the Rams, then at least two of these people would be available to us at 15  (more likely 3 (Cleveland goes QB) or 4 (Dallas does too)). 

1 Bosa 2 Ramsey 3 Tunsil 4 Stanley 5 Buckner 6 Jack 7 Smith 8 Spence 9 Hargreave 10 Treadwell 11 Alexander 12 Ragland 13 Robinson 14 Elliott 15 Billings

Jack, Ragland, and Billings probably aren't the best fit.  But like I said, at least two of these guys WILL be there if we trade back to 15. 

didn't you just prove my point?

so of those top 15 who is left? Robinson, Elliott? you LEAST favorable choices?

where picking at #6 you have a choice of:

Jack, Smith, Spence, Treadwell, Alexander, Ragland? based on your projections

 

I like Ozzies choices better at #6, otherwise moving down feels like chicken.

[JoeyFlex5]

16 minutes ago, Mad Puppy said:

I don't want the Ravens to move down. Already 10 picks in this draft with only what one 7th rounder and a 6th or two......gonna be a good draft no matter what.

And moving down form 6th will net what? Probably the least of your top favorite guys. Not worth it. This team needs Blue Chip Play makers, dropping down will not get you that.

the difference in talent at 6th looks to have very little drop off over the following 10 picks. once tunsil, ramsey, bosa, and buckner are gone, then there are no guaranteed blue chip guys, and buckner could be seen as not worthwhile for us because hes another DE/DT hybrid and obviously we would prefer a  real edge rusher(although i would love buckner here). 

 

would you rather "reach" for treadwell or hargreaves at 6th, or get a future first and 2 more 2nd rounders from the rams and get a guy of equal or maybe even superior talent like spence or alexander? standing pat and taking one of those guys 6th overall presents more risk of a bust than trading back with the rams and getting one of those guys plus having 3 second round picks, we are much more likely to improve this team that way.

[Jaybirds]

13 minutes ago, Mad Puppy said:

 

didn't you just prove my point?

so of those top 15 who is left? Robinson, Elliott? you LEAST favorable choices?

where picking at #6 you have a choice of:

Jack, Smith, Spence, Treadwell, Alexander, Ragland? based on your projections

 

I like Ozzies choices better at #6, otherwise moving down feels like chicken.

You don't understand how thrilled I'd be with Elliott in the first and 3 picks in the second.  We could still get a legit CB and WR in the next round.  I'm not certain where we'd get a pass rusher, but we'd still have a pick in the 2nd and 3rd to go get one.  Meanwhile, we just gave Trestman a younger version of Matt Forte for his offense.  Forsett grooming Elliott, Allen, and maybe West?  Absolutely. 

I like the way Robinson completely screws up whatever the offensive line wanted to do.  I know he wasn't a pass rusher in college; he didn't need to be.  But I think we could move him to DE and at the very least replace Canty Week 1.  He brings disruption that we just don't have on the line right now. 

So yeah.  Either of those two plus both of the Rams' picks in the 2nd?  I'm good. 

Edited February 3, 2016 by Jaybirds