Pre-combine Big Board

[JoeyFlex5]

im not gonna do mocks yet as the combine isnt here yet and theres too many moving parts to repeatedly do mocks, so im gonna make a big board as i see things right now, for the ravens specifically... 

 

tier 1

1. Laremy Tunsil 

2. Joey Bosa 

3. Jalen Ramsey 

4. Deforest Buckner 

 

tier 2 

5. Ronnie Stanley

**Jaylon Smith**(talent and need based, no numeric ranking due to injury) 

6. Noah Spence 

7. Vernon Hargreaves 

8. Laquon Treadwell 

9. Mackensie Alexander 

10. Myles Jack

 

tier 3 

11. Reggie Ragland 

12. Ezekiel Elliott 

13. A'shawn Robinson 

14. Andrew Billings 

15. Kevin Dodd

16. Leonard Floyd 

17. Corey Coleman 

18. Shaq Lawson

19. Taylor Decker 

20. Tyler Boyd 

21. Kendall Fuller 

 

tier 4

22. Eli Apple

23. Emmanuel Ogbah 

24. Michael Thomas 

25. Yannick Ngakoue

26. Jack Conklin 

27. Will Fuller 

28. Adolphus Washington 

29. Kentrell Brothers 

30. Robert Nkemdiche 

 

tier 5 

31. Sterling Shepard 

32. Shilique Calhoun 

33. Jason Spriggs 

34. Austin Johnson 

35. Joshua Perry 

36. Josh Doctson 

37. Darian Thompson 

38. Sheldon Day 

39. Vonn Bell 

40. Carl Nassib 

41. Jayron Kearse 

42. William Jackson

 

 

and ill stop right there. as you can see this is personal preference and team needs is a huge factor in this. i think in the first round we will get someone from tier 1 or 2, combine results pending we may be able to land a tier 2 prospect in round 2 although its unlikely, but i think we are nearly certain to land a tier 3 prospect in round 2, and i think we can get one of the remaining guys in round 3.

[ALI624]

No Oakman? lol jk.  Think I like Thompson more than you do.  I only see us getting Coleman, Boyd or Fuller in the second round from tier 3. And probably only Yannick from tier 4.

[PurpleNight12]

not bad tier 1, 2 and 3.  But some of the prospects in your tier 4 are too low such as Conklin and Nkemdiche.  He has off field problems but will still go in the first round.  But I am not sure how you view him that is just the vibe I get from all the rumors and game footage. 

[PurpleCity5]

I agree with tier one for the most part, I do think Buckner is top ten talent but I don't know how highly we'll feel about him.

 

If his knee checks out well and his weight is in that 245-250 range, then I think Jaylon Smith will be in that tier 1 range for us. Some may disagree with Hargreaves being ranked that high but I don't. I think Pees and Frazier will/are big Hargreaves fans. I'm sure they would love to have a guy who can play man/off-man/zone while being a play-maker and a day-1 starter. I personally think Hargreaves is still in play for us at pick no.6 and I think as a trade down target, he would be number one on Ozzie's board.

 

[JoeyFlex5]

9 minutes ago, PurpleCity5 said:

I agree with tier one for the most part, I do think Buckner is top ten talent but I don't know how highly we'll feel about him.

 

If his knee checks out well and his weight is in that 245-250 range, then I think Jaylon Smith will be in that tier 1 range for us. Some may disagree with Hargreaves being ranked that high but I don't. I think Pees and Frazier will/are big Hargreaves fans. I'm sure they would love to have a guy who can play man/off-man/zone while being a play-maker and a day-1 starter. I personally think Hargreaves is still in play for us at pick no.6 and I think as a trade down target, he would be number one on Ozzie's board.

 

i think hes still ranked highly for us as well, but i do worry about pees' tendency to keep corners on one side, if we thought aj green made jimmy look bad then imagine what he would do to hargreaves man, all they gotta do is call plays that have AJ green on the right side of the field lol, scary thought. 

 

but i do think in the big picture he would be a great fit here, his ability to play off-man and anticipate in zone are key traits that i think pees looks for in his corners, if we make it back in the playoffs he would allow us to seriously put a hampering on bradys game because i think he is the perfect corner to face that kind of offense, and ill say the same for steelers and colts as well, i think hes good for our system and the AFC in general but i do worry about him facing AJ green twice a year. with leslie frazier being one of the better cb coaches in the league, i wonder just where mackensie alexanders ceiling could be, with his rumored work habits and film habits im certainly intrigued with the possibilities there, he may end up the best corner in the league one day, but he could also struggle greatly early in his career, which i dont think we can afford.

[JoeyFlex5]

31 minutes ago, PurpleNight12 said:

not bad tier 1, 2 and 3.  But some of the prospects in your tier 4 are too low such as Conklin and Nkemdiche.  He has off field problems but will still go in the first round.  But I am not sure how you view him that is just the vibe I get from all the rumors and game footage. 

i dont like nkemdiches game, upside is great but i think hed be lucky to make it halfway to his ceiling. he seems to panic if he doesnt make the play on his first effort and plays really really stupid, he also has very little awareness and vision, no nose for the football whatsoever. i think the first thing i named is coachable as long as he has a little something between the ears(which is doubtful) however i dont think the latter 2 are coachable and i think they keep him from ever being more than a disappointment. i could see him being one of those guys that constantly shows you ridiculous potential but then does stuff like miss tackles or overextend and leave huge running lanes often. too wild and undisciplined and quite frankly, stupid, for my liking.

[Jaybirds]

I have Ragland, Elliott, and Robinson at the end of my Tier 2 instead of the beginning of Tier 3.  That is to say,  I think they're more talented than the group you have them in, but less useful than the guys you have above them.  Otherwise, yeah. I think this sums it up well. 

Actually.... would I take Ragland over Jack?  Maybe.  I'll have to think about that. 

 

Edited February 2, 2016 by Jaybirds

[ellicottraven]

I would bump Billings to tier 2. He is going to become a really feared all pro one day. He is a one man demolition army.

[Willbacker]

See you snuck William Jackson in there.

[JoeyFlex5]

5 minutes ago, ellicottraven said:

I would bump Billings to tier 2. He is going to become a really feared all pro one day. He is a one man demolition army.

i agree but i think hes the kind of player we dont really need. although with his size/strength/athleticism combo i think he would make for one very interesting NT in a 3-4. 

 

if the ravens current roster isnt a factor, then hes top 10 for me. 

4 minutes ago, Willbacker said:

See you snuck William Jackson in there.

yeah lol i had to put him in there, i like him but its hard to place him anywhere in the top 40

[GrimCoconut]

9 minutes ago, ellicottraven said:

I would bump Billings to tier 2. He is going to become a really feared all pro one day. He is a one man demolition army.

I really really like Billings. I wish we needed a DL because I'd love justifying him. 

[JoeyFlex5]

29 minutes ago, Jaybirds said:

I have Ragland, Elliott, and Robinson at the end of my Tier 2 instead of the beginning of Tier 3.  That is to say,  I think they're more talented than the group you have them in, but less useful than the guys you have above them.  Otherwise, yeah. I think this sums it up well. 

Actually.... would I take Ragland over Jack?  Maybe.  I'll have to think about that. 

 

i had to ask this myself, ive heard the rumblings about ragland supposedly being capable of playing OLB in a 3-4 at a high level, i wish there was a way for him to show that off because he will never be able to prove that just by working at the combine, but if he could somehow prove his worth as a starting caliber player at all 4 LB spots then absolutely id take him over jack.

[trevorsteadman]

If we somehow snuck out Ramsey in round one and then Jaylon Smith or Noah Spence in round 2 because of them falling due to injury and off the field issues respectively, I would be a very happy fan and I could see that shaping our defense for the next 5 or 6 years at least. 

[allblackraven]

40 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

i had to ask this myself, ive heard the rumblings about ragland supposedly being capable of playing OLB in a 3-4 at a high level, i wish there was a way for him to show that off because he will never be able to prove that just by working at the combine, but if he could somehow prove his worth as a starting caliber player at all 4 LB spots then absolutely id take him over jack.

I think Ragland is way better fit for Ravens than Jack whichever way you look at it. Value wise it's hard justifying Ragland at #6 though and his selection would require trading down, which has more inherent variables than I'm prepared to consider as opposed to just getting a guy with our 1st, whoever that guy might be. He would be awesome successor to Daryl Smith.

[ALI624]

3 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

I think Ragland is way better fit for Ravens than Jack whichever way you look at it. Value wise it's hard justifying Ragland at #6 though and his selection would require trading down, which has more inherent variables than I'm prepared to consider as opposed to just getting a guy with our 1st, whoever that guy might be. He would be awesome successor to Daryl Smith.

Think we may have to change our name to Alabama North.

[trevorsteadman]

2 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

I think Ragland is way better fit for Ravens than Jack whichever way you look at it. Value wise it's hard justifying Ragland at #6 though and his selection would require trading down, which has more inherent variables than I'm prepared to consider as opposed to just getting a guy with our 1st, whoever that guy might be. He would be awesome successor to Daryl Smith.

I agree I think Jack is more talented but scheme wise I think the Ravens would rather go Ragland. Neither are worth the #6 pick in my opinion. I know a lot of fans do not want us to trade back but if Tunsil, Bosa, Ramsey, or Buckner are not there I think trading back may give us a better way of getting multiple talents. I see those four as the only 4 I see worth a 6th pick.

 

[allblackraven]

4 minutes ago, ALI624 said:

Think we may have to change our name to Alabama North.

Why is that? Not many Alabama players on Ravens roster.

[ALI624]

Just now, allblackraven said:

Why is that? Not many Alabama players on Ravens roster.

Well our two ILBs would be essentially the leaders of the defense and I think we take at least one more probably Cyrus Jones.

 

[Ravenskid52752]

2 minutes ago, ALI624 said:

Well our two ILBs would be essentially the leaders of the defense and I think we take at least one more probably Cyrus Jones.

 

I'm pretty sure Cyrus Jones well be one of the ravens 4th round picks local kid and Alabama come on lol.

Edited February 2, 2016 by Ravenskid52752

[PurpleCity5]

1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

i think hes still ranked highly for us as well, but i do worry about pees' tendency to keep corners on one side, if we thought aj green made jimmy look bad then imagine what he would do to hargreaves man, all they gotta do is call plays that have AJ green on the right side of the field lol, scary thought. 

 

but i do think in the big picture he would be a great fit here, his ability to play off-man and anticipate in zone are key traits that i think pees looks for in his corners, if we make it back in the playoffs he would allow us to seriously put a hampering on bradys game because i think he is the perfect corner to face that kind of offense, and ill say the same for steelers and colts as well, i think hes good for our system and the AFC in general but i do worry about him facing AJ green twice a year. with leslie frazier being one of the better cb coaches in the league, i wonder just where mackensie alexanders ceiling could be, with his rumored work habits and film habits im certainly intrigued with the possibilities there, he may end up the best corner in the league one day, but he could also struggle greatly early in his career, which i dont think we can afford.

I think AJ Green would chomp any CB in this draft honestly. I agree though, that could be a tough assignment for Hargreaves, Green is one of the best WR at high-pointing, and knows how to beat up CBs with his size. I think Hargreaves does better against the bigger guys than given credit for but AJ Green man, we know first hand he's not a joke. 

 

I do like Hargreaves and Alexander, I think they both have great work habits, know the CB position head-to-toe and are pretty refined, though I have questions about how Alexander will preform in the zone defense, I think both will be good to great CBs in the future. I do believe that our DCs Pees and Frazier will be high on Hagreaves, I think they will look at what he can do and what he will do for the defense. I think he's a day-1 starter and could have a strong candidate here if it weren't for his late-season mishaps, which I don't care a lot of honestly. I don't know how highly our F.O will view him, I'm not saying they've soured on him at all, but I just don't know how  they view him, that's all. 

[ALI624]

I think it's time for a little mission impossible:

The mission: Bug the Ravens Facility.

We need to get the entire place wired for video and sound especially the war room and Ozzie's office.  Who is with me. Hold on a second ::knock at the door:: Oh it's the FBI looks like I'm in trouble.

[Jacquouille]

No Jonathan Bullard? If we were to go DE he'd be a nice 2nd rd imo.

 

Btw anyone care to explain why Kevin Dodd is now so highly ranked? One game against Bama doesn't define a player and I didn't see anything special when watching his tape...

 

[RavensFanMania]

1 hour ago, GrimCoconut said:

I really really like Billings. I wish we needed a DL because I'd love justifying him. 

I like Billings as well.  I actually think he may end up being drafted by the Skins due to Knighton being on a one year deal.

[BmoreBird22]

23 minutes ago, Jacquouille said:

No Jonathan Bullard? If we were to go DE he'd be a nice 2nd rd imo.

 

Btw anyone care to explain why Kevin Dodd is now so highly ranked? One game against Bama doesn't define a player and I didn't see anything special when watching his tape...

 

He had an incredibly good playoff run, definitely one stronger than Shaq did, and had 46 hurries, or just under four per game as long as they do play 13 games like I'm thinking. 

He's actually quickly become one of my favorite players in the draft to be there possibly in round two. He's an animal.

[52520Andrew]

1 hour ago, allblackraven said:

I think Ragland is way better fit for Ravens than Jack whichever way you look at it. Value wise it's hard justifying Ragland at #6 though and his selection would require trading down, which has more inherent variables than I'm prepared to consider as opposed to just getting a guy with our 1st, whoever that guy might be. He would be awesome successor to Daryl Smith.

Not sold on Ragland in coverage which is what we need and we already have CJ who is pretty good against the run. 

[52520Andrew]

Not sure why Jarron Reed is not on here, I thought he looked pretty good over some of the other names on the list.

[allblackraven]

6 minutes ago, 52520Andrew said:

Not sold on Ragland in coverage which is what we need and we already have CJ who is pretty good against the run. 

I watched lot of Bama games, he was actually more than decent in pass coverage. Can run with TEs, read QB and cut on underneath routes. He doesn't have CJ's instincts and is probably marginally slower but isn't lagging by much in those two categories. Everything else he does better or on par with Mosely. He is one of the most underrated players in this class.

[allblackraven]

17 minutes ago, 52520Andrew said:

Not sure why Jarron Reed is not on here, I thought he looked pretty good over some of the other names on the list.

Probably because he is Alabama player.

[52520Andrew]

11 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

I watched lot of Bama games, he was actually more than decent in pass coverage. Can run with TEs, read QB and cut on underneath routes. He doesn't have CJ's instincts and is probably marginally slower but isn't lagging by much in those two categories. Everything else he does better or on par with Mosely. He is one of the most underrated players in this class.

He did weigh in at 259 at the senior bowl so I will give him the benefit of the doubt there but he struggled a bit in senior bowl practices. Wasn't terrible but if I am getting an ILB to pair with Mosley, I'd be wanting a guy who was better there like Daryl Smith a couple years ago. I also feel Mosley is the better coverage player and that is saying something. If we were looking for that MIKE LB, I'd be more than happy with him as I think he can be very good against the run but I like CJ in that role quite a bit and am not sold on how they would compliment each other. 

11 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

Probably because he is Alabama player.

I like Reed quite a bit actually, not my favorite player but I think he is a bit underrated as people are more wowed by the athleticism of Robinson. I'd be more than happy if we ended up snagging a guy like Reed in the second, not the ideal pick but it screams like an Ozzie move to me.

[rmw10]

4 minutes ago, 52520Andrew said:

He did weigh in at 259 at the senior bowl so I will give him the benefit of the doubt there but he struggled a bit in senior bowl practices. Wasn't terrible but if I am getting an ILB to pair with Mosley, I'd be wanting a guy who was better there like Daryl Smith a couple years ago. I also feel Mosley is the better coverage player and that is saying something. If we were looking for that MIKE LB, I'd be more than happy with him as I think he can be very good against the run but I like CJ in that role quite a bit and am not sold on how they would compliment each other. 

I like Reed quite a bit actually, not my favorite player but I think he is a bit underrated as people are more wowed by the athleticism of Robinson. I'd be more than happy if we ended up snagging a guy like Reed in the second, not the ideal pick but it screams like an Ozzie move to me.

Reed is more impressive than Robinson to me, at least as an overall player.  Robinson does have some insane athleticism but Reed seems to do it all very well.  He's much more polished.