Arthur Brown - Is his time up?

[rmw10]

52 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

He meant Stephon

Good call. Clearly thinking CB there on my end. 

[rmcjacket23]

1 hour ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I wouldn't consider the Ravens set at either safety spot. Will Hill's play trailed off considerably as the season went on and Hill was often the one subbing out for Lardarius Webb, which should really say something since Webb was coming in to play FS, not SS. Hill just had way too many mental lapses in deep zones. I felt like when he played that FS role in 2014 he was much better, he just lacked the range for the job, but if 2015 showed anything, it was that he didn't have the mental aspect of it down. 

Also, this is completely assuming that Webb agrees to take a pay cut and doesn't end up flat out cut. His base salary would only rank him 17th overall in the NFL, but the cap hit of $9.5M would be 400k short of Earl Thomas and would rank third in the NFL. The Ravens would have to find a way to cut that down if he has any hope of staying.

As far as Elam goes, I at least have hope for him because in 2013, his two best games (Chicago, Detroit) were games were he was actually utilized in that traditional strong safety role. 2014 was a bit of a disappointment for me because I felt that more often than not he was in a position to make a really big play for a loss or make the pass deflection, he just didn't get his head around or he missed a tackle. Nothing was more frustrating than watching him have perfect coverage on Jericho Cotchery, but fail to defend the pass because he didn't get his head around. Elam at least has a potential if he can clean up his technique.

But for the sake of the thread, I don't see any reason to keep hanging onto Arthur Brown. I was excited to land him, but he's clearly too undersized to be taking on these guards and centers. I feel like his confidence is probably shot at this point in time and he'd be far better suited to play the WILL in the 4-3. No reason to hang onto him and have him take up a roster spot.

For Webb, I'm assuming that since the FO has already declared that he is changing to safety, I don't think cutting him is on the table this offseason. I'd expect an extension (not a paycut) or he plays out the year as is. 

[BmoreBird22]

2 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

For Webb, I'm assuming that since the FO has already declared that he is changing to safety, I don't think cutting him is on the table this offseason. I'd expect an extension (not a paycut) or he plays out the year as is. 

I just can't see him playing at his current contract, especially if Ramsey is there in the draft.

[BmoreBird22]

29 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

I think his confidence is shot and that's why he's amounting to nothing. I really believe that's a big part of player success and I can't think of many players who missed multiple early years and became something. 

I just think he's too small to amount to anything in the 3-4. He was just a bad scheme fit pick.

[rmcjacket23]

51 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I just can't see him playing at his current contract, especially if Ramsey is there in the draft.

Maybe, but I think the FO is well aware of the typical struggles of rookie secondary players and wouldn't be in a hurry to make a rookie the starting FS. After a year or two, certainly so.

I think Webb is in the same boat as Monroe...if they draft his heir, he plays one more year here and then he's gone. If they dont, he stays and gets a year to prove his worth.

[BmoreBird22]

21 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Maybe, but I think the FO is well aware of the typical struggles of rookie secondary players and wouldn't be in a hurry to make a rookie the starting FS. After a year or two, certainly so.

I think Webb is in the same boat as Monroe...if they draft his heir, he plays one more year here and then he's gone. If they dont, he stays and gets a year to prove his worth.

I don't know, I don't see any value in keeping him at his current contract. I think an extension will get done before all else.

[The Raven]

1 hour ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I just think he's too small to amount to anything in the 3-4. He was just a bad scheme fit pick.

 

But is CJ Mosley that much bigger than Arthur? If size was that much of an issue I'd expect CJ to struggle a bit more or Brown to be better. I think the issue is Brown's ability and confidence moreso than size

[BmoreBird22]

33 minutes ago, The Raven said:

 

But is CJ Mosley that much bigger than Arthur? If size was that much of an issue I'd expect CJ to struggle a bit more or Brown to be better. I think the issue is Brown's ability and confidence moreso than size

He's two inches taller, but about the same weight. To me, CJ Mosley is slight in the frame, but with Brown, he just looks tiny. 

And the only reason I don't view size as an issue with Mosley vs Brown is that Mosley had at least played MLB for probably his entire football career. Brown was an outside linebacker to begin with.

[GrimCoconut]

2 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

I just think he's too small to amount to anything in the 3-4. He was just a bad scheme fit pick.

That may be part of it but he looked promising as a rookie then looked flat whenever we saw him after that. I really wonder if he even loves football. He looks like he's burned out and like he's just chilling whenever I manage to see an interview of him, which are admittedly scare.

[BmoreBird22]

I just don't know what to think of him. I'd just rather see him get a chance on a new team that's willing to start him and let him learn. Help him build back up his confidence.

[PurpleCity5]

I don't think we'll cut him outright. We could be in need of an ILB and Daryl Smith might get cut, I can imagine Brown being camp competition for Orr otherwise you would be handing the job to Orr with no fight. I personally think he's a 53 man roster cut, he barely made it this year, I think next year it will be an uphill battle to make the 53 unless he gets significantly better. 

[PurpleCity5]

6 hours ago, 757RavensFan said:

Off the top of my head:

Kapron Lewis-Moore

Brent Urban

Mike Campanaro

Tray Walker

Darren Waller

Cam Worthy

Nick Perry 

Edit:

Daniel Brown

Spot on but I wouldn't consider Campanaro and Urban projects, they're just really unfortunate  with injuries but their impact can be felt on the field when healthy. 

Edited February 3, 2016 by PurpleCity5

[spitfire418]

Arthur Brown hasn't shown much in his time with the team, but I wouldn't go as far as cutting him. He's more than likely done as a Raven and probably won't earn a starting job, but he can provide depth for next year and competition at the linebacker spot. It sucks to see a player not live up to his potential, but I think he could still be a good player in this league and probably with another team that fits his play style better. I wish the best for him and hopefully he becomes that Daryl Smith replacement we all thought he would be.

[Tru11]

He will make it to training camp and get a chance to earn a spot.

Orr and Mclellan aint the answer and smith age is starting to show.

unless we get a rookie with a high pick.

[spitfire418]

12 hours ago, Tru11 said:

He will make it to training camp and get a chance to earn a spot.

Orr and Mclellan aint the answer and smith age is starting to show.

unless we get a rookie with a high pick.

I want Myles Jack so baaaaad. I doubt he will drop to #6 and who knows if we would even take him. That kid is special though.

[757RavensFan]

1 hour ago, spitfire418 said:

I want Myles Jack so baaaaad. I doubt he will drop to #6 and who knows if we would even take him. That kid is special though.

 

I would be surprised if Jack went top 5. 

[RavensDieHard21]

On ‎2‎/‎2‎/‎2016 at 11:53 AM, usmccharles said:

Then shouldnt Elam be gone too?

Elam had a decent rookie year, nothing flashy, but he wasn't a liability. 2014 he regressed a bit, but many articles showed how he was committing himself to film study, then he sat out all of 2015. With Hill Hill only under contract for one more year and Webby being injury prone, I think 2016 is his make or break year. I am interested to see if he or Brooks will finally make a splash. We will see.

[spitfire418]

35 minutes ago, 757RavensFan said:

 

I would be surprised if Jack went top 5. 

Don't be surprised, especially if he is ready for the combine/pro day. He is a unique talent at LB and literally could be used as a RB.

Edited February 3, 2016 by spitfire418

[Tru11]

11 hours ago, spitfire418 said:

I want Myles Jack so baaaaad. I doubt he will drop to #6 and who knows if we would even take him. That kid is special though.

id love to have him to.

get some speed and coverage with out lbers.

brown will be out then for sure though.

[ALPHA]

Looking back at Browns college tape he just doesn't look like the same player. But then again neither do Ogletree, Manti Teo, Kevin Minter, Jon Bostic, Sio Moore etc etc. It was an awful MLB class.

[allblackraven]

I would exclude Ogletree from that list. He didn't exactly light it up his rookie season although he was OK. He looked very good in '14 and pretty awesome in '15 before the injury.

[ALPHA]

Ogletree is a first round draft pick and plays behind the best line in football, so while he's not a bust he still can't tackle and hasn't lived up to expectations. The class was a dumpster fire, we could have had Kawaan Short and Tyrann Mathieu... but hindsight being 20/20 and all that stuff.

[Ravenseconbeast]

17 hours ago, 757RavensFan said:

 

I would be surprised if Jack went top 5. 

Jack is a safety first then linebacker.   

I could see him go the same route as Arthur if he can't tackle big guys @ nfl.

[spitfire418]

9 hours ago, Tru11 said:

id love to have him to.

get some speed and coverage with out lbers.

brown will be out then for sure though.

I want Ramsey, Jack, or Hargreaves. In that order. Brown looks to be done anyways and Myles Jack is can't miss talent at LB. That guy probably runs a 4.4 as a 6-1 245 linebacker. He could literally be used as a RB too. I love how he runs actually. Hopefully he can fully recover from his injury and also compete at the combine, but we'll have to see.

[spitfire418]

2 hours ago, Ravenseconbeast said:

Jack is a safety first then linebacker.   

I could see him go the same route as Arthur if he can't tackle big guys @ nfl.

Jack is a little bigger than Brown and even Mosley actually. I don't see him not being able to tackle "big guys" in the nfl. He's a way different player than Arthur is.

Edited February 4, 2016 by spitfire418

[atomicfront]

On 2/2/2016 at 3:36 PM, JoeyFlex5 said:

the difference between brown and elam is that elam still has some value as a depth guy, obviously a bust as he does not seem to be worth a first round selection, but still brings secondary depth to a team that desperately needs it, i think if he is on a snap count and given assignments that he doesnt have to overthink than he could be solid. 

 

arthur brown on the other hand, needs his hand held, he has zero anticipation, zero awareness, he gets flat out embarrassed everytime he tries to cover a route, the only thing he has ever looked good at was the delayed blitz, and he cant even make the active roster let alone get a spot on the field. i hate to say it, because i was a huge fan of his, but i think hes done in this league. maybe a 4-3 team takes him and it clicks for him but i doubt it

Elam was the 32nd pick in the draft.  This year the 32nd pick is a second round pick.   I think Elam should get a chance as he has contributed in the past.   Arhur Brown has never even played.  He is like Sergio Kindle.  I don't see what the team ever saw in Brown. I watched his college tape after he was drafted and first off he looked too small for the NFL and second he didn't seem all that good. Total loss for why they would trade up for him.  

[Gordo52]

Who hurts more, Arthur Brown or Sergio Kindle? ?

[Crabcakes&Football]

He'll get his chance to earn a roster spot. There's a saying "cream rises to the top" If that doesn't happen this year he's gone.

[The Raven]

7 hours ago, Gordo52 said:

Who hurts more, Arthur Brown or Sergio Kindle? ?

 

Sergio. In college, he had Von Miller type ability. If he could have stayed on that track in the NFL... Good God... Pass rushers mean more than chase and tackle linebackers.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

On February 2, 2016 at 3:47 PM, Deflated Football said:

I don't want to hijack your thread, but this got me thinking. Who else on the active roster would be considered a project player? 

Marlon Brown comes to mind. 

I think that was pointed at guys we've kept around in recent years that would show potential but never quite put it together.

Asa Jackson, David Reed, Jah Reid, Tandon Doss, and Terrance Cody are the type of guys that come to mind. 

On the current roster I can only think of Marlon Brown, Camp if he can't stay healthy, Arthur Brown, and Kapron Lewis-Moore.