[News] Late For Work 2/1: How Can Ravens Nab Pass-Rushing Monster Von Miller?

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2 minutes ago, cbrook1862 said:

The main negative about Treadwell's game is that he struggles to create separation, and that struggle is only going to increase when he comes to the nfl. This is very similar to last years draft when we were debating on whether to get Jalen strong. He was a big bodied receiver who always won jump balls, but was a sloppy route runner and struggled to create separation. At the combine he ran a good 40 and raised his draft stock, but in his rookie season with the Texans he was practically nonexistent. Now i'm not saying Treadwell will be that way, because Strong wasn't rated the best wr like Treadwell, but I will take a smooth route runner and speed to separate over a big bodied guy who just wins contested balls any day. I say get him only if we they trade down, cuz there are plenty of wr's we can get in rounds 2 or 3 like Josh Doctson, Tyler Boyd, Sterling Shepard, and Demarcus Robinson who can make an immediate impact.

Bit premature to consider all of those guys as day 2 players. Keep in mind that those guys are pretty much directly behind Treadwell in terms of where they land on the current projected WR lists, and as such, I certainly don't think Treadwell is the only WR to go in round 1. 

While not a great class for WRs, I'd still fully expect to see 2-3 come off the board in round 1 at the very least.

[mettro79]

No doubt Treadwell is a beast, but I think using a #6 overall pick on him is highly unlikely, especially since playmaking WR talent can be found later in the draft.

[ravenstime]

Well, what round did Antonio Brown and A.J. Green get drafted in. Watching those two receivers a few times a year and it leaves your jaw dropped at their speed and talent to go up and get the football or jet down the field. I wouldn't mind getting another 1st round WR. I also think we need a CB, as well. If we draft the WR Treadwell, I'd just think that if we're going to pay over $100 million to Flacco, we should give him a chance to succeed with the weapons he needs to be successful. He even said it himself, right here, a few weeks ago that having 2 or 3 really talented WR's is a totally different ballgame than not, although not in those exact words.

[PalmBayRaven]

Well, what round did Antonio Brown and A.J. Green get drafted in. Watching those two receivers a few times a year and it leaves your jaw dropped at their speed and talent to go up and get the football or jet down the field. I wouldn't mind getting another 1st round WR. I also think we need a CB, as well. If we draft the WR Treadwell, I'd just think that if we're going to pay over $100 million to Flacco, we should give him a chance to succeed with the weapons he needs to be successful. He even said it himself, right here, a few weeks ago that having 2 or 3 really talented WR's is a totally different ballgame than not, although not in those exact words.

Antonio Brown was a 3rd round pick. AJ was a 1st rounder. Steelers always find good receivers and do a better job drafting them than we have. I would be shocked if Ravens draft a receiver in 1st round. I think a LT or CB personally.

[CaliRavenFan]

Cross your fingers for another late contract dispute between Von Miller, his agent and the Denver Broncos; a phone call from Dumervil
to seal the deal.

I would rather cross my fingers about stuff that can actually happen.. Like Flacco creating more cap space for us allowing K.O and Tucker to be Ravens the next 5 years.

[CaliRavenFan]

While I'm sure you all enjoy arguing over speculation it is all for not. The offense has mostly scored enough to win many games over the past 2 years. It has been the defense that has not been able to hold on the late game leads. I predict Ozzie will go heavy on defense in this years draft.

I agree completely, unless there is a WR sitting there in round 2 that we can't pass on. Perriman will be a beast for us this year but we still need more youth at the position. DJax would be a nice addition if he is released.

[Halshayeji]

15 hours ago, billiejean said:

laquon treadwell is not a bonafide stud. Comparing him to Fitz Jones and ODBjr is ridiculous. This wide Receiver class doesn't have any "bonafide studs". Its a week class especially up front.

 

14 hours ago, donkeyking64 said:

Why is it ridiculous? 6'2" 215? You know a big guy like that will feast on the pass catcher friendly rules of today's NFL.

Who are all the WRs that went top 5-10 that have not performed well and then remind me why it is ridiculous to compare him to Fitz Jones and ODBJr

Treadwell is a stud. Hes certainly a first rounder and barring injuries and/or off field issue, he should be a productive NFL wideout for a while. What jean is trying to imply is that Treawell may not bee a guaranteed top 5 pick or a cant miss prospect. Hes a first rounder, Yes! But its yet to be seen how fast he can actually run his 40. If he does 4.45 or so then hes sureley top 10. If he goes close to 4.60 then please name me one 4.6 guy that went in the top 10.

Treadwell is indeed the best WR in this class by default. Noone is saying the dude cant ball but look at his film again and keep these 3 things in mind. 1-Seperation (speed) 2-Complete Route Tree (NFL style Offense) 3- Garbage yards.

 

Seperation is a must in the NFL and if you cant gain separation the NFL quality QB's will kill you. Treawell shows flashes here and there but can end this discussion with a solid 4.40 40 time. If he runs a 4.55, you need to be 6'5 like mike evans to be considered a cant miss in the draft. Treadwell is 6'2.

Can he run all the routes? Thats really hard for most of us here to determine because you have to go into every play of every game to accurately see how well or lazy of a route runner he is. Also, NCAA players don't usually get to showcase a full route tree because their coach just wants them to to do what they do best. In Treadwell's case, he ran a lot of deeps, backshoulder fades, and quick screens. We never really saw him pick appart zones or anticipate throws as much as wed like. In my humble estimation, we will find out more in the coming weeks because the analysts will talk about his route running.

Garbage yards? well, I don't mean garbage as in garbage but i mean lets look at how many yards he got from screens and YAC that we wouldn't expect him to be as effective in the NFL. Treadwell did a lot of that in college. I'm not saying take that away from him but imagine how his stats would be like without them. He had 1100 yards.

When you compare Treadwell to last years class, one can argue that he'd be the 4th or 5th guy to come off the board. Cooper, White, and Parker all had more yards and arguably ran better routes(parker 800yds but only played 6 games). They also ran faster 40s than Treadwell is expected to run. One can argue that B Perriman might have been taked ahead of Treadwell if this was his class. Perriman 6,3 1100 yards 4.28 40.

If Treadwell becomes a Raven then heck il easily fall in love with the pick. His hands are insane! His attitude is flawless. Hes big enough. But if we pass on him for a player that's a "cant miss" then il be just as happy as well. The variance between Treadwell and the Next 2 WR's in this class is not that much. 

[HomeoftheBRAVENS]

The Ravens drafting a LT with Eugene Monroe already under contract and performing well is way more unlikely than them drafting a WR in consecutive years.The front office already stated in the presser that they were pleased with the way Eugene Monroe played when he was on the field.If Ramsey reaches Dalls,we'll probably makes a trade for him.If they ask for too much then we'll probably either draft Treadwell or trade back.

[Halshayeji]

The Ravens drafting a LT with Eugene Monroe already under contract and performing well is way more unlikely than them drafting a WR in consecutive years.The front office already stated in the presser that they were pleased with the way Eugene Monroe played when he was on the field.If Ramsey reaches Dalls,we'll probably makes a trade for him.If they ask for too much then we'll probably either draft Treadwell or trade back.

I get where your coming from and could see that scenario play out as you said.

Only thing I disagree with is the LT situation. If we can't keep KO then Oline becomes the most glaring need. Sure Monroe won't get benched but whoever we draft (assuming we go LT) can slide to LG until he proves he's got the NFL speed. Then we revisit Monroes deal next year.

[RavenManiac#7]

Although everybody would probably love to see Von Miller here, we all know that there's no way he will be. It's just not Ozzie's way. But, if anybody might tempt him to depart from his MO, he'd be a nice one to do it for. As much as I'd love having him, we just can't afford him. I don't want Oz to blow up the roster for him. And on trading the 6th pick, I'd rather see us grab a "blue chipper". Us getting the 6th pick is just so rare, I'd like to see us get a difference maker rather than an added pick. I think a 6th in the 2nd will get us another very good player as well, and adding in Perriman for this year and it will be like we're already getting two 1st rounders and, nearly, yet another picking so early in the 2nd. I hope Oz stays put.

[RavenManiac#7]

  16 hours ago, Jim Giampaoli said:

Cross your fingers for another late contract dispute between Von Miller, his agent and the Denver Broncos; a phone call from Dumervil
to seal the deal.

I would rather cross my fingers about stuff that can actually happen.. Like Flacco creating more cap space for us allowing K.O and Tucker to be Ravens the next 5 years.

As awesome as the thought of seeing Von Miller in purple and black is, you are Spot On with your comment. Von Miller would excite me more than I can say, but I'd be happier with KO and Tuck.

[RavenManiac#7]

  16 hours ago, Jim Giampaoli said:

Cross your fingers for another late contract dispute between Von Miller, his agent and the Denver Broncos; a phone call from Dumervil
to seal the deal.

Gonna take more than a mishap in negotiations. He's going to have to agree to play for us for half price, which no person on the planet would do.

Frankly, I'm not even sure why Von Miller is even a topic of discussion here. I'd set the likelihood of playing for the Ravens next season as equal to Aaron Rodgers being our QB.

And I'm not kidding either.

You're right, as usual, jacket.

[purpledown]

the Ravens wont sign a top tier free agent at any position.

[Ravens_Flock]

Yes, by all means, let's blow money on reuniting the DEN pass rushing set, when we have other needs.