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Flacco ranks high among Super Bowl MVPs, Lewis not so much. Beware of No. 6 pick. Draft LaQuon Treadwell?

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[whobilly]

1. Why waste time bringing up Von Miller. 2. If Treadwell is there take him because after the 2016 season who will we have at WR position. 3. Go D with remaining picks.
4. DO NOT trade back.

[Purple Hazard]

No way we get Miller. He will get a monster contract and we can't match any money offered to him.

About Treadwell: It depends how well he runs at the combine. I read some articles where people project that he will run a 4.7. That could drop him in the second round. If so we should try to get him there.

[757RavensFan]

Johnny Bench...No more write-ups on him, he's not worth the key strokes!

Treadwell...I just don't see us taking a WR in back to back years in the 1st round.  Ramsey, Hargreaves or whatever OT is available at 6th, but please don't trade back. 

 

[fusuymada]

We may not get Miller but if they get rid of Left Tackle Ryan Clady to keep Miller, then I would be happy to grab him up. His contract is high and he is talking about renegotiating with the Broncos, but if they have to make room, he may very well become a cap casualty. Manziel wants to be in Dallas and I would not put it past him or Jerry Jones, to generate negative publicity to get kicked off the Browns so he is free to negotiate with the Cowboys, instead of the Cowboys having to pick up his first round contract. To think there is no back door conversations going on, regardless of tampering charges, between Manziel and Jones, is to be naïve. Jones wants Manziel and Manziel wants Jones and the rest of us want them to be together so the Cowboys continue to build their team in the cellar with a quarter back that was rated a third round pick by Jaworski when he came out and no one wanted to believe him. Jaws looks like Nostradamus now.

[steelcityraven]

I dont think you can go wrong with LTreadwell...and after SSS retires we will not be able to draft that high but will again have a need at that position, so not a bad idea. I think we can find a solid pas rusher in rd2... (kevin Dodd) and later (Travis Feeney) and a solid CB in rounds 3 and 4 (MCannaday) but I also think that we can land a very good WR in rounds 3and 4 (Sterling Sheppard and Malcolm Mitchell) - So I can see us going either way depending on 1. WHat happens with KO and 2. Is Jalen Ramsey still available at #6? If not then we have some options~

[donkeyking64]

The idea that Laquon Treadwell is a reach is just utterly ridiculous. How could the man be a reach at 6 if he is projected to go at 9???? Even at 14???

A reach means the man went 15 - 20 picks to a whole round earlier than he should have. That's probably a better definition of a reach.

If Treadwell is there, the Ravens better not think too hard about pulling the trigger on him.

There are only so many bonafide studs i.e. Larry Fitz, Julio Jones, ODBJr. After all it is a passing league. There is likely no pass rusher to be taken at #6 and there is a chance that there is no left tackle to be taken at #6.

[ellicottraven]

I just don't want us to screw up this draft. I want the Ravens front office to nail this draft and get at least 3 starters out of it with a couple of potential pro bowl type players. Our team currently is so short on talent, we need to infuse it with some star talent. Go Ravens.

[robbie29]

Please stop with the different "How we're gonna get Miller" scenarios and headlines. Denver won't let him go and even if they did everyone knows we don't sign high-priced Free Agents. It ain't gonna happen. Man, the offseason stinks.

[billiejean]

The idea that Laquon Treadwell is a reach is just utterly ridiculous. How could the man be a reach at 6 if he is projected to go at 9???? Even at 14???

A reach means the man went 15 - 20 picks to a whole round earlier than he should have. That's probably a better definition of a reach.

If Treadwell is there, the Ravens better not think too hard about pulling the trigger on him.

There are only so many bonafide studs i.e. Larry Fitz, Julio Jones, ODBJr. After all it is a passing league. There is likely no pass rusher to be taken at #6 and there is a chance that there is no left tackle to be taken at #6.

laquon treadwell is not a bonafide stud. Comparing him to Fitz Jones and ODBjr is ridiculous. This wide Receiver class doesn't have any "bonafide studs". Its a week class especially up front.

[stixfix69]

Von is a reach, if anything all the press is going to raise his asking price, which will put Denver in a tough spot cap wise...I like it...:)

[Tenacious Faulker]

Never say never on two 1st round WR's back to back. IF the Ravens end up drafting at 6th, you can damn well bet the player will be as "sure of a thing" as you can get. They'll have their player grades set after the Combine/Pro Day/team visits and IF Treadwell has the highest grade any stretch, they will take take him. If he or the remaining targets at in the top 10 don't grade as well, then we'll see them trade back.

As of now the consensus top-5 are Goff, Tunsil, Bosa, Ramesy, and Treadwell. Assume this list will change for the Ravens as the off season commences. Right now Goff is as good as a Brown. All it takes is for some other team to value someone else higher than what the Ravens have on their board and they have a possible top-5 on roster since Jamal Lewis 2000.

[donkeyking64]

5 minutes ago, billiejean said:

laquon treadwell is not a bonafide stud. Comparing him to Fitz Jones and ODBjr is ridiculous. This wide Receiver class doesn't have any "bonafide studs". Its a week class especially up front.

Why is it ridiculous? 6'2" 215? You know a big guy like that will feast on the pass catcher friendly rules of today's NFL.

Who are all the WRs that went top 5-10 that have not performed well and then remind me why it is ridiculous to compare him to Fitz Jones and ODBJr

[billiejean]

The idea that Laquon Treadwell is a reach is just utterly ridiculous. How could the man be a reach at 6 if he is projected to go at 9???? Even at 14???

A reach means the man went 15 - 20 picks to a whole round earlier than he should have. That's probably a better definition of a reach.

If Treadwell is there, the Ravens better not think too hard about pulling the trigger on him.

There are only so many bonafide studs i.e. Larry Fitz, Julio Jones, ODBJr. After all it is a passing league. There is likely no pass rusher to be taken at #6 and there is a chance that there is no left tackle to be taken at #6.

the idea that you see Laquon Treadwell as a "bonafide stud" is utterly ridiculous. There are no receivers comparable to the ones that you have mentioned in this draft. Just because he is the best WR in this class doesn't mean he is going to turn into a superstar like your Larry Fitz, Julio Jones and ODBs. And yes as of now he would be a reach at six. The combine could change this but as of now I would only take him if we moved back in the draft a little bit.

[donkeyking64]

10 minutes ago, billiejean said:

the idea that you see Laquon Treadwell as a "bonafide stud" is utterly ridiculous. There are no receivers comparable to the ones that you have mentioned in this draft. Just because he is the best WR in this class doesn't mean he is going to turn into a superstar like your Larry Fitz, Julio Jones and ODBs. And yes as of now he would be a reach at six. The combine could change this but as of now I would only take him if we moved back in the draft a little bit.

You haven't seen the dude play. Again, a 6'2" 6'3" 215 pound kid that can run...and oh by the way catch??? That's a good look for the next level.

Look man, people will make a prediction about a player. It is what it is. People might be wrong, but if you've seen the kid play, you know what's coming. You probably haven't seen him play much. It's just like Kevin White. That dude is going to be a stud at some point...whether it's in his first season of play with the Bears or in a couple years. He will be good. It's merely a prediction. It's not ridiculous especially if you've seen his level of play and capabilities.

But hey I will fall back since you think it's the most ridiculous statement to make but at the same time won't offer up a thorough analysis as to who is a better option or even address what makes comparing him to Fitz or Jones ridiculous. At the very least if nothing else, people WILL compare him to those 2 players because of his size. But yeah...I'll stop rubbing you the wrong way now....I Take It Back!!!! He's doesn't bring the same level of impact as Jones or Fitz!!

[billiejean]

19 minutes ago, donkeyking64 said:

Why is it ridiculous? 6'2" 215? You know a big guy like that will feast on the pass catcher friendly rules of today's NFL.

Who are all the WRs that went top 5-10 that have not performed well and then remind me why it is ridiculous to compare him to Fitz Jones and ODBJr

there are a lot of people in this world that are 6'2" and weigh 215 pounds.  Measurements don't mean that someone is going to be an elite receiver.  First off treadwell is slower than the elite receivers in the league.  Now speed doesn't always mean that a receiver isn't going to be great.  ODB isn't the fastest guy but he knows how to run routes very well.  Laquans routes leave a lot to be desired.  He rarely gets separation (which is key to being an elite receiver).  He is more of a jump ball kind of guy (which isn't a bad thing) but if you are picking at six the guy had better be able to get separation on a regular basis..  But like i said, I wouldn't be apposed to trading back and picking him up a bit later in the draft.

[steelcityraven]

I think that shaq lawason is a bonfide pass rusher.... and wouldn't mind seeing us take him at 6 but - I believe that the more immediate need is CB and Ramsey and MAlexander seem to be a more immediate fit! Plus we can land legit pass rushers in round 2 and later (I think Travis Feeney out of Washington is a freak and if he didn't have injuries throughout his college career -he'd be a first round pick...) Feeney is a freakish athlete with size and speed and a great frame that will allow him to continue to grow. I would love to see us add a guy like Feeney who is so versatile and do so much more then just rush the QB- even though he could develop into a top notch pass rusher in this league). The question is what do we do about LT? If we cannot re-sign KO... I don't think we can count on Monroe but do we go after a Tunsil (yes if he is available) or a RStanley??? I think out biggest need is CB and if either of those two are on the board (Ramsey or Alexander) we have to go there first!

[RavensDieHard21]

There is no reason to fear a number, especially in the top 10, maybe besides getting someone that battles injuries, this needs to be a pick we can bank on to help us win immediately. We need another pillar on the defensive side of the ball. If this post season and our season as a whole has proven anything, it would be that Defense still wins championships! It is no coincidence that the top contenders at the end were all teams with top 5 defensive units. Carolina and Denver have young, athletic, aggressive, and opportunistic defenses, and guess what? That is what got them there. Cam has a band of unique, but non superstar receivers and that offense is booming because of the defense's play and ability to get them good field position. Despite Manning being in a drought, a terrible O-line, and all-star receivers not producing, the #1 defense has got them to the game. I am having too many flashbacks on games where our defense could not force a single turn over, nor get off the field with the game on the line. With a band of random young talent our offense produced! If we want to win, we need to land two monsters in the first and second. For that reason, even if Treadwell was available at #6, I would not take him unless we traded back. Thomas, Boyd, Shepard, Doctson could all very well be available in the late first through second rd. I want a combo of a HG3 and Floyd personally or trading back and getting Spence and Alexander possibly, or Bosa and Apple. Remember only 35 players will come off that board before we draft a second time, which means we will get a star in the second if the cards fall right.

[RavensDieHard21]

The idea that Laquon Treadwell is a reach is just utterly ridiculous. How could the man be a reach at 6 if he is projected to go at 9???? Even at 14???

A reach means the man went 15 - 20 picks to a whole round earlier than he should have. That's probably a better definition of a reach.

If Treadwell is there, the Ravens better not think too hard about pulling the trigger on him.

There are only so many bonafide studs i.e. Larry Fitz, Julio Jones, ODBJr. After all it is a passing league. There is likely no pass rusher to be taken at #6 and there is a chance that there is no left tackle to be taken at #6.

And guess what, all of those receivers are sitting on their couches watching the big game because defense has paved the way to SB 50.

[donkeyking64]

11 minutes ago, RavensDieHard21 said:

And guess what, all of those receivers are sitting on their couches watching the big game because defense has paved the way to SB 50.

True but Matt whatshisname has not deserved all the hype he got. Same for Carson Palmer.  But your point is well taken

[RavensDieHard21]

4 minutes ago, donkeyking64 said:

True but Matt whatshisname has not deserved all the hype he got. Same for Carson Palmer.  But your point is well taken

I am all for getting weapons for Flacco and giving him the ability to move the ball down the field, but our receivers and TEs are young and still could develop into something great, such as Aiken, perriman, Gilmore, Boyle, Maxx, but I do say we get a WR in second or third. As a biased organized chaos endorser, I just want to have a suffocating defense again that makes you feel that when they're on the field that offenses are going to be in a world of pain and frustration. We have a lot of pieces, but we just need 2-3 more young superstars. A pass rusher is looking murky as of now at #6, but Floyd might drop to the point where we could snag him in a trade up, or we could see Spence land to us in a trade back scenario. HG3, Ramsey, and Alexander will all be studs too mark my words. It would be a shame if we passed them all up if available, unless we get a Tunsil, Bosa, or maybe Buckner.

[Ravenous_Ravens]

  1 hour ago, donkeyking64 said:

  1 hour ago, billiejean said:

laquon treadwell is not a bonafide stud. Comparing him to Fitz Jones and ODBjr is ridiculous. This wide Receiver class doesn't have any "bonafide studs". Its a week class especially up front.

Why is it ridiculous? 6'2" 215? You know a big guy like that will feast on the pass catcher friendly rules of today's NFL.

Who are all the WRs that went top 5-10 that have not performed well and then remind me why it is ridiculous to compare him to Fitz Jones and ODBJr

There are a lot of people in this world that are 6'2" 215. Measurements do not mean that a guy is going to elite. He is much slower than the elite receivers in the NFL (not a burner) but that doesn't always mean that a receiver isn't going to be elite. ODB isn't the fastest guy in the world, but his routes are a beautiful thing. Laquans routes leave a lot to be desired. He has a very hard time getting any separation (although he is good at going up to get the jump ball). And if you take a receiver at number 6 he better be able to get at least some seperation. And as for receivers that were picked in the top 10 that haven't panned out...... Justing Blackmon, Charles Rogers, Reggie Williams, Troy Williamson, Mike Williams, Ted Gin jr. David Terrell (there are many more). But i don't see Laquan turning into a bust. I think he will be a solid receiver in the NFL, but he won't be elite and he is not worthy of the sixth pic (at this point). But like i said I wouldn't mind trading back a bit in the draft to take him.

Tread well actually does have fairly good separation and size to break through press coverage. He is not a burner but he is smart enough to create enough space and tough enough to make the tough catches. Don't expect this guy to juke the daylights out of anyone but he'll give a QB time and space to throw his way.

[ravensnj]

I would love to have Treadwell, but after deep thought I believe defense is the way to go. Our second round pick is early enough to grab a top Wr in a weak wr draft.

[WNC-Raven]

While I'm sure you all enjoy arguing over speculation it is all for not. The offense has mostly scored enough to win many games over the past 2 years. It has been the defense that has not been able to hold on the late game leads. I predict Ozzie will go heavy on defense in this years draft.

[ravensnj]

28 minutes ago, Ravenous_Ravens said:

Tread well actually does have fairly good separation and size to break through press coverage. He is not a burner but he is smart enough to create enough space and tough enough to make the tough catches. Don't expect this guy to juke the daylights out of anyone but he'll give a QB time and space to throw his way.

The dude is a beast. No doubt a future star and a number 1 target who will dominate cb''''s

[RavensHawk]

1 hour ago, donkeyking64 said:

You haven't seen the dude play. Again, a 6'2" 6'3" 215 pound kid that can run...and oh by the way catch??? That's a good look for the next level.

Look man, people will make a prediction about a player. It is what it is. People might be wrong, but if you've seen the kid play, you know what's coming. You probably haven't seen him play much. It's just like Kevin White. That dude is going to be a stud at some point...whether it's in his first season of play with the Bears or in a couple years. He will be good. It's merely a prediction. It's not ridiculous especially if you've seen his level of play and capabilities.

But hey I will fall back since you think it's the most ridiculous statement to make but at the same time won't offer up a thorough analysis as to who is a better option or even address what makes comparing him to Fitz or Jones ridiculous. At the very least if nothing else, people WILL compare him to those 2 players because of his size. But yeah...I'll stop rubbing you the wrong way now....I Take It Back!!!! He's doesn't bring the same level of impact as Jones or Fitz!!

Watching game film of the receivers in this draft has me very underwhelmed to say the least...especially guys like Treadwell that everyone is penciling in as the best guy and top 10 pick. I just don't see it on the field. He has long strides, but is far from a fast or quick guy. The one thing he has going for him is strength, and in the NFL that tends not to matter as much because you're playing against the best of the best. He will be a solid NFL wideout, but I honestly don't think he'll even be the most productive receiver in this draft. Looking at guys like Tyler Boyd (undersized but extremely explosive) and Josh Doctson, I see them as just as likely to have productive NFL careers as I do Treadwell. Just because he's the best, does NOT mean he's Julio Jones and worth such a high pick. Especially when we could get someone like Ramsey, Hargreaves III or Alexander up there.

[Jim Giampaoli]

Cross your fingers for another late contract dispute between Von Miller, his agent and the Denver Broncos; a phone call from Dumervil
to seal the deal.

[The Greek]

pass rush and more team speed on defense will make a huge difference. have to hit on them 3rd 4th and 5th round picks. if he can stay healthy i see a guy like brent urban turning into a qb killer.

[rmcjacket23]

9 minutes ago, Jim Giampaoli said:

Cross your fingers for another late contract dispute between Von Miller, his agent and the Denver Broncos; a phone call from Dumervil
to seal the deal.

Gonna take more than a mishap in negotiations. He's going to have to agree to play for us for half price, which no person on the planet would do.

Frankly, I'm not even sure why Von Miller is even a topic of discussion here. I'd set the likelihood of playing for the Ravens next season as equal to Aaron Rodgers being our QB.

And I'm not kidding either.

[cbrook1862]

The main negative about Treadwell's game is that he struggles to create separation, and that struggle is only going to increase when he comes to the nfl. This is very similar to last years draft when we were debating on whether to get Jalen strong. He was a big bodied receiver who always won jump balls, but was a sloppy route runner and struggled to create separation. At the combine he ran a good 40 and raised his draft stock, but in his rookie season with the Texans he was practically nonexistent. Now i'm not saying Treadwell will be that way, because Strong wasn't rated the best wr like Treadwell, but I will take a smooth route runner and speed to separate over a big bodied guy who just wins contested balls any day. I say get him only if we they trade down, cuz there are plenty of wr's we can get in rounds 2 or 3 like Josh Doctson, Tyler Boyd, Sterling Shepard, and Demarcus Robinson who can make an immediate impact.