trade,trade,trade.

[The Mom Gene]

On ‎02‎/‎04‎/‎2016 at 10:24 PM, GrimCoconut said:

Pretty sure Osweiler is a free agent. 

He is...  But Denver's not letting him go.  They need a QB also, and he's played under Kubes, and knows the scheme.  Now, maybe they draft one, but at 32?  That's not happening.  They're keeping Osweiler. If you're right and  If they did let him go, they're definitely trading up.    But I'm not even going to believe that.  He played decent, and has the history.

[usmccharles]

19 minutes ago, The Mom Gene said:

He is...  But Denver's not letting him go.  They need a QB also, and he's played under Kubes, and knows the scheme.  Now, maybe they draft one, but at 32?  That's not happening.  They're keeping Osweiler. If you're right and  If they did let him go, they're definitely trading up.    But I'm not even going to believe that.  He played decent, and has the history.

This would be a tough decision for me if I was Elway.  I don't think Osweiler showed anything significant to warrant the money he is going to get if he went somewhere else.  Its being said that he wants more money than Foles got at 2 year 24mill.  With Denver's D they don't need much at the QB position to be a contender, so to justify giving someone who started half a season (if that, I cant remember) will be hard, but I guess that's market value for any starting QB, no matter how good they are, or arent

[The Mom Gene]

2 hours ago, usmccharles said:

This would be a tough decision for me if I was Elway.  I don't think Osweiler showed anything significant to warrant the money he is going to get if he went somewhere else.  Its being said that he wants more money than Foles got at 2 year 24mill.  With Denver's D they don't need much at the QB position to be a contender, so to justify giving someone who started half a season (if that, I cant remember) will be hard, but I guess that's market value for any starting QB, no matter how good they are, or arent

They won't, and don't have to give him top money.  He started 6 games?  They won 4.  So, yeah, someone is going to want him, if it's not the Broncos.  I look at his knowing the playbook, the scheme, and playing for 3 seasons behind Manning as a MONSTER plus.  Not saying he's championship caliber, but he's gonna be way further ahead than any draft pick.

 

I think we stay at 6.  Not thinking we trade back...  or up for that matter either.

[RaineV1]

The Rams as a trade partner do make the most sense. They'd want to jump ahead of the 49ers if they think the 49ers are after the same QB. Also if Buckner is there at 6, I could see the Saints going to a trade due to how badly they need a top guy for their defense. Thought what would be great would be to trade with the 49ers. They move up just to keep the Rams or someone else trading up for a QB they like, and the Ravens get an extra 2nd round pick to work with. Then the Ravens could still get the same player they wanted at 6.

[edthehead]

somebody will give Osweiler if not what he wants pretty close,

A trade is imminent it is going to happen , the only question is who.

there are so many moving pieces with these QB's and then you have an elite player that may fall. 

I really thought Spence would fall to the 20's he will not ( combine) 

spence at 6 or 12 take your pick, so we do not get Bosa but Spence is a nice consolation prize not to mention an extra draft pick.

I will go " WIZARD" again and say we will not pick at 6,

 my thread LIVES,,, lol

[ellicottraven]

2 hours ago, The Mom Gene said:

They won't, and don't have to give him top money.  He started 6 games?  They won 4.  So, yeah, someone is going to want him, if it's not the Broncos.  I look at his knowing the playbook, the scheme, and playing for 3 seasons behind Manning as a MONSTER plus.  Not saying he's championship caliber, but he's gonna be way further ahead than any draft pick.

 

I think we stay at 6.  Not thinking we trade back...  or up for that matter either.

I agree that there is little to no chance we trade up. However, I disagree with the premise that we'll stay pat at 6. Two elements will dictate what we do. One on how our board stacks up and who's available when we pick at 6. Two, if there is a push by a trading partner to give up plenty for us to move back and still believe we can have a player we covet and add picks. Then we definitely trade back. If Ramsey, Tunsil or Bosa fall to 6, it's over. We pick regardless of any enticing offer to trade back.

[The Mom Gene]

2 minutes ago, ellicottraven said:

I agree that there is little to no chance we trade up. However, I disagree with the premise that we'll stay pat at 6. Two elements will dictate what we do. One on how our board stacks up and who's available when we pick at 6. Two, if there is a push by a trading partner to give up plenty for us to move back and still believe we can have a player we covet and add picks. Then we definitely trade back. If Ramsey, Tunsil or Bosa fall to 6, it's over. We pick regardless of any enticing offer to trade back.

Yup....  Agreed.  I just think we have been in need of a high pick for a while, and this is our opportunity to secure that draft pick.  Whether it be that we are going for defensive,  offensive, or as Ozzie does so often....  simply Best man on the board.

[GrimCoconut]

9 hours ago, The Mom Gene said:

He is...  But Denver's not letting him go.  They need a QB also, and he's played under Kubes, and knows the scheme.  Now, maybe they draft one, but at 32?  That's not happening.  They're keeping Osweiler. If you're right and  If they did let him go, they're definitely trading up.    But I'm not even going to believe that.  He played decent, and has the history.

Oh I don't know if Denver lets him go or not. I was only telling them that he's a free agent since they said they didn't know much about Denver, that's all. I think they probably keep him there. 

[Ravensfan23]

Only way I want the Ravens trading back is if it's for a 1st rounder next year. It'd be a dream to land a pair of guys like Cameron Sutton and Delvin Cook or Mike Williams and Myles Garrett. Wishful thinking I know but if I'm giving up the #6 pick this year, I got 2017 in mind. 

I really like the role players and quality starters the Ravens have but it's gonna take a few studs to get this team to the top consistently

[ngatainmyhouse]

2 hours ago, Ravensfan23 said:

Only way I want the Ravens trading back is if it's for a 1st rounder next year. It'd be a dream to land a pair of guys like Cameron Sutton and Delvin Cook or Mike Williams and Myles Garrett. Wishful thinking I know but if I'm giving up the #6 pick this year, I got 2017 in mind. 

I really like the role players and quality starters the Ravens have but it's gonna take a few studs to get this team to the top consistently

I would love if the Ravens didn't address Safety this year, experimented with Webb and then were able to grab Jabrill Peppers next year

[L.A.Ravens]

I was all for trading down until I just read something about trading down in the past few drafts. Since the RG3 trade there hasn't been much given up to trade up. To move to 15 we at best would just get the Rams 2nd round pick and that's it. I now find that not worth losing a chance on a real elite player, this years draft isn't such a strong draft. 

[edthehead]

10 hours ago, L.A.Ravens said:

I was all for trading down until I just read something about trading down in the past few drafts. Since the RG3 trade there hasn't been much given up to trade up. To move to 15 we at best would just get the Rams 2nd round pick and that's it. I now find that not worth losing a chance on a real elite player, this years draft isn't such a strong draft. 

just to use your statement;

we get just get 1 of the rams 2nd(we would get both)

use it to trade back into the first, 

again we give up (possibly) 1 really good player for 2 good players

go through the players  15 and roughly 22-25

then we still have our original 2nd  

[RaineV1]

10 hours ago, L.A.Ravens said:

I was all for trading down until I just read something about trading down in the past few drafts. Since the RG3 trade there hasn't been much given up to trade up. To move to 15 we at best would just get the Rams 2nd round pick and that's it. I now find that not worth losing a chance on a real elite player, this years draft isn't such a strong draft. 

Since RG3? What about the trade the Bills did for Sammy Watkins? They moved up from 9 to 4 and gave up a future first round pick for it.

[usmccharles]

10 hours ago, L.A.Ravens said:

I was all for trading down until I just read something about trading down in the past few drafts. Since the RG3 trade there hasn't been much given up to trade up. To move to 15 we at best would just get the Rams 2nd round pick and that's it. I now find that not worth losing a chance on a real elite player, this years draft isn't such a strong draft. 

I dont know how you can think that considering you or anyone else here doesnt know who the Rams will want or how bad they will want them. 

[BMoreDuck]

On 2/1/2016 at 4:18 PM, BmoreBird22 said:

It does matter because if his injury really will hold him out a year, a team won't draft him round one. Aaron Colvin was considered one of the best corners available in his draft class, but slipped to the fourth because he couldn't play his rookie season.

Yup. Last year Ekpre Olumo was considered a mid to late 1st rounder and he dropped all the way to the 7th. Torn ACL and he had to redshirt. It killed his draft stock. Fortunately he collected on an insurance policy, but he still would have made a lot more money going in the 1st rd. Now, I don't think Smith drops too low, but I could definitely see him going in 2nd. Teams want their 1st rounders to make an immediate impact. 

[GrimCoconut]

On Monday, February 01, 2016 at 7:18 PM, BmoreBird22 said:

It does matter because if his injury really will hold him out a year, a team won't draft him round one. Aaron Colvin was considered one of the best corners available in his draft class, but slipped to the fourth because he couldn't play his rookie season.

Why'd you remind me of Colvin? I'm still salty we passed on him. 

[edthehead]

so what I am seeing here, if it is a red shirt year, then the players usually falls,

a player drafted in the 1st round for the most part is expected to play,,,,, 

am I correct. no jokes a serious question. 

[Edgar]

Would anyone think it worth surrendering our third round pick to jump to twenty three or twenty four(round one)to grab Darian Thompson?

 A lot of teams will be watching this guy and I don't think he makes it to our second.

[CCRed]

9 minutes ago, Edgar said:

Would anyone think it worth surrendering our third round pick to jump to twenty three or twenty four(round one)to grab Darian Thompson?

 A lot of teams will be watching this guy and I don't think he makes it to our second.

I would love that if we can get him but I have a funny feeling he is going to be lighting it up come combine and pro day time I think he will bolster his stock enough that its going to cost us more than a third rounder to get him in the first and i assume you mean trade our 2nd and 3rd to get back into the first.

[RaineV1]

39 minutes ago, edthehead said:

so what I am seeing here, if it is a red shirt year, then the players usually falls,

a player drafted in the 1st round for the most part is expected to play,,,,, 

am I correct. no jokes a serious question. 

Generally speaking, yes. First rounders are expected to make immediate impacts on their team.

[L.A.Ravens]

Watching Spartacus on Netflix right now, so in saying that: I hope the gods shine upon us on draft day! Lol

[edthehead]

32 minutes ago, RaineV1 said:

Generally speaking, yes. First rounders are expected to make immediate impacts on their team.

now I watched mail bag,

and even they say spence should fall also jaylon smith will not be cleared to participate in the combine

so my mock is a possibility,

 

 

[L.A.Ravens]

1 minute ago, edthehead said:

now I watched mail bag,

and even they say spence should fall also jaylon smith will not be cleared to participate in the combine

so my mock is a possibility,

 

 

Just finished watching it too. I hope we get spence or smith in the second round. There's a strong possibility.

[edthehead]

On 1/31/2016 at 5:47 PM, usmccharles said:

Glad my nickname for Tread has caught on lol.  

Obviously this draft would be great just not very realistic imo

wassup USMC,

now I just finished watching mailbag, hope you have seen, lol

they think SPENCE will fall also jaylon will not be cleared for the combine,

so do you see my mock as a little more realistic

again with the mindset the FO will be very aggressive,

[Mt. Crushmore]

On February 17, 2016 at 10:07 AM, BMoreDuck said:

Yup. Last year Ekpre Olumo was considered a mid to late 1st rounder and he dropped all the way to the 7th. Torn ACL and he had to redshirt. It killed his draft stock. Fortunately he collected on an insurance policy, but he still would have made a lot more money going in the 1st rd. Now, I don't think Smith drops too low, but I could definitely see him going in 2nd. Teams want their 1st rounders to make an immediate impact. 

He also dislocated his kneecap 

[ravensnick]

I think Trading back is very likely, probably with the Eagles:

Titans take Tunsil, Browns take Goff/Wentz, Chargers take Ramsey, Cowboys take Bosa, Jags take Jack. 

The Ravens are left in a interesting positions. Bosa, Jack, and Ramsey are likely our top choices. Stanley and Buckner likely make up the next level, but the talent drop off is present. Mean while, the 49ers have the next pick. They likely will want to get a Qb for Chip. Philly also likely will want a QB. We could easily broker a heavily favorably trade with Philly in this scenario. I'm thinking a tad bit better than the Buffalo-Browns deal for Sammy Watkins. Lets say our first rounder for their first rounder, next year's first round, and a third rounder this year. 

 

This would leave us at 13th overall. My top targets there would be Mackensie Alexander, Vernon Hargreaves, Noah Spence, A'Shawn Robinson, Laquan Treadwell, and Reggie Ragland. 

Edited February 24, 2016 by ravensnick