trade,trade,trade.

[edthehead]

2 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

i think you have to go with bosa, because spence obviously has some red flags tied to his character, but also bosa brings versatility that spence doesnt. bosa will be a beast against the run from day 1, and will also provide edge rush, and he can play DE, DT, and OLB in our system really on either side and on any given snap, spence i believe would be locked in at ROLB rotating behind suggs as a pure edge rusher and would eventually be groomed into the successor. 

 

spence would probably make the bigger impact from day 1, as i think his presence alone would immediately result in our team totals in sacks rising by double digits, and may be the long term better option assuming he can become a true 3-down OLB, but bosa is definitely safer and the more versatile of the 2. 

 

if im the GM, i go with bosa easily, but say we were at 10th and it came down to.... spence, vh3, stanley, and tread, i think i go with spence there.

I think Bosa is the safer pick he is good

but ,, I think Spence will play with such anger such ferocity that he will have an unyielding desire for greatness 

he will fall though, 15-20 range, in my mock i have him at 22,

so who would you say that will gamble and take him early,,, 

[JoeyFlex5]

5 minutes ago, edthehead said:

I think Bosa is the safer pick he is good

but ,, I think Spence will play with such anger such ferocity that he will have an unyielding desire for greatness 

he will fall though, 15-20 range, in my mock i have him at 22,

so who would you say that will gamble and take him early,,, 

the absolute farthest i could see him falling is the jets, but i dont think he makes it that far, i think the saints could take him, the bears, eagles, bills, or colts as well. 

 

i think its really all about who is enamored with him enough to disregard his past, i think there are plenty of teams who would

[January J]

On Monday, February 01, 2016 at 2:59 AM, Winchester said:

2 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

i think you Floydto go withwe'dsa, because spence obviously has some red flags tied to his character, but  also bosa b rings versatility that spence doesnt. bosa will be a beast against the run from day 1, and will also provide edge rush, and he can play DE, DT, and OLB in our system really on either side and on any given snap, spence i believe would be locked in at ROLB rotating behind suggs as a pure edge rusher and would eventually be groomed into the successor. 

 

spence would probably make the bigger impact from day 1, as i think his presence alone would immediately result in our team totals in sacks rising by double digits, and may be the long term better option assuming he can become a true 3-down OLB, but bosa is definitely safer and the more versatile of the 2. 

 

if im the GM, i go with bosa easily, but say we were at 10th and it came down to.... spence, vh3, stanley, and tread, i think i go with spence there.

 

Thats Tough, in That situation i Genuinely wouldnt Know what to do. Id Have a hard time deciding between tread and spence..vh3 too..i Think i Would have to go with treadwell In that scenario, thE character concerns Would probably be the deciding factor- although they wouldnt Bother me if treadwell was off the board. I would just go tread and then shoot for yannick or floyd With the second pick. And who knows, maybe he would fall far enough to grab him in a trade up with our 2nd. Then wed Really be fortunate we didnt Take him with our first and would be thanking Our lucky Stars.

 

[JoeyFlex5]

6 minutes ago, January J said:

Thats Tough, in That situation i Genuinely wouldnt Know what to do. Id Have a hard time deciding between tread and spence..vh3 too..i Think i Would have to go with treadwell In that scenario, thE character concerns Would probably be the deciding factor- although they wouldnt Bother me if treadwell was off the board. I would just go tread and then shoot for yannick or floyd With the second pick. And who knows, maybe he would fall far enough to grab him in a trade up with our 2nd. Then wed Really be fortunate we didnt Take him with our first and would be thanking Our lucky Stars.

 

i think id take spence over tread, id definitely pause for vh3 though, they both worry me in some facets but both show ridiculous upside and they also fit the prototype for what were looking for in their respective positions. i just think treads upside isnt quite high enough to take him over those 2, he is immediately behind them though for me.

[GrimCoconut]

40 minutes ago, January J said:

Thats Tough, in That situation i Genuinely wouldnt Know what to do. Id Have a hard time deciding between tread and spence..vh3 too..i Think i Would have to go with treadwell In that scenario, thE character concerns Would probably be the deciding factor- although they wouldnt Bother me if treadwell was off the board. I would just go tread and then shoot for yannick or floyd With the second pick. And who knows, maybe he would fall far enough to grab him in a trade up with our 2nd. Then wed Really be fortunate we didnt Take him with our first and would be thanking Our lucky Stars.

 

If we have a choice between Bosa and Spence I expect the easy choice of us picking Bosa over Spence. That said, I think we'd take Ngakoue later just to add a guy who's a better fit at OLB to complete the pass rush. 

Edited February 2, 2016 by GrimCoconut

[edthehead]

all I am saying,,

in the article today talks about Mr. N Spence possibly falling to the 2nd round

I said 15 - 20 but I mocked him at 22,

come on everybody,,, " there is a chance" (que the jokes) lol

spence and Jaylon have issues they can fall and I  truly think they will fall

again late first early 2nd

also I am taking bets, I have a big yard here in Atlanta that can use free lawn care.   

 

[52520Andrew]

On 2/1/2016 at 10:06 AM, Drew P said:

LaRavens Clark is awful. Oakman in the fifth? There would be 32 GM's fired

Only guy I saw Oakman win against is Clark. Oakman is big with great length and somewhat decent quickness but he doesn't have much in the form of technique and very easy for linemen to get under him and take him out of the play with his length.

[edthehead]

3 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

the absolute farthest i could see him falling is the jets, but i dont think he makes it that far, i think the saints could take him, the bears, eagles, bills, or colts as well. 

 

i think its really all about who is enamored with him enough to disregard his past, i think there are plenty of teams who would

1. bears yes there is a need but WR that may be tagged and who is on the other side of him, LT then another less drama DE may go to them

2. Jets, ah no comment, lol, yes that is a possibility. BUT  they will go QB if 1 is available , their Offensive line sucks

3.Saints if they are smart they will trade back way to many holes and salary cap from hill (i know ,scared of the mods profanity) 

4 ,bills can get him, rex may look at him as his shiny new lambo  , rex will take a chance, but  LB to control rex defense 

colts RB first then line ,

eagles to early and after chip they will have a safe pick the city can rally around, this is why I see QB or idk,

[Winchester]

13 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

i think you have to go with bosa, because spence obviously has some red flags tied to his character, but also bosa brings versatility that spence doesnt. bosa will be a beast against the run from day 1, and will also provide edge rush, and he can play DE, DT, and OLB in our system really on either side and on any given snap, spence i believe would be locked in at ROLB rotating behind suggs as a pure edge rusher and would eventually be groomed into the successor. 

 

spence would probably make the bigger impact from day 1, as i think his presence alone would immediately result in our team totals in sacks rising by double digits, and may be the long term better option assuming he can become a true 3-down OLB, but bosa is definitely safer and the more versatile of the 2. 

 

if im the GM, i go with bosa easily, but say we were at 10th and it came down to.... spence, vh3, stanley, and tread, i think i go with spence there.

Bosa is a little more flexible than credited for. And his burst is a little better than advertised. What is impressive is the power behind that burst. I can prove Bosa is far more flexible than advertised by those looking for flaws. The combine will tell the tale for he and Spence. If Bosa runs better than 4.75 at 280 pounds with good jump shuttle he will go before Spence even if he lights it up as well. If Spence impresses at the co!time and Bosa is so so then it could catapult Spence over Bosa. Bosa looks to be a bigger  much stronger Kerrigan. There are no Khalil Mack's in this draft. This is shaping up to be a fairly OK draft.  Just not an abundance of the hot girls at edge rusher or those supermodel types like Beckham Cooper Watkins at WR. Which are ravens need positions. But deep DLine talent, lots of 3down Linebackers, deep at cornerback and WR. I really like Demarcus Robinson!! He could be the most complete WR in the draft.

[January J]

17 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

i think id take spence over tread, id definitely pause for vh3 though, they both worry me in some facets but both show ridiculous upside and they also fit the prototype for what were looking for in their respective positions. i just think treads upside isnt quite high enough to take him over those 2, he is immediately behind them though for me.

Just saw the video on the main page with spences interview..i Really like him alot and he seems to be saying all of the right things. Its still hard for me to say id Take him at 6..but im Starting to think i Would consider it. I really dont See him falling into the second round, somebody will give him a chance in the first, im Sure of it. and i Don't think theyd regret it.

 

Edited February 3, 2016 by January J

[JoeyFlex5]

1 minute ago, January J said:

Just saw the video on the main page with spences interview..i Really like him alot and he seems to be saying all of the right things. Its still hard for me to say id Take him at 6..but im Starting to think i Would consider it. I really dont See him falling into the second round, somebody will give him a chance in the first, im Sure of it. and i Don't think theyd regret it.

 

the more i look at it, the more i think id be ok with him at 6. if there is no bosa or ramsey, then i dont see any other players who i would have clearly ranked higher than spence based on performance alone. i think stanley, treadwell, and hargreaves are all in that conversation, but i dont know if i would have them any of them as "better" prospects than spence, in terms of talent and what they bring to the team they are all pretty equal.

[January J]

I know I sound like a broken record..but if we somehow ended up with Ramsey and Spence with our first two picks it really doesn't matter what happens with the rest of the rounds- It will automatically be a HUGE success. The thought just gets me pumped. I seriously believe just those 2 players could totally turn our defense around and make us a serious threat. even spence at 6 and then Apple or Fuller would impact this defense dramatically.

Edited February 3, 2016 by January J

[ALI624]

20 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

the more i look at it, the more i think id be ok with him at 6. if there is no bosa or ramsey, then i dont see any other players who i would have clearly ranked higher than spence based on performance alone. i think stanley, treadwell, and hargreaves are all in that conversation, but i dont know if i would have them any of them as "better" prospects than spence, in terms of talent and what they bring to the team they are all pretty equal.

Yea I think if we don't take spence that a couple of years down the road that we will go back and say "man we had the chance to take him." Assuming Bosa and Ramsey are gone.

[Jaybirds]

On 2/1/2016 at 6:12 AM, BmoreBird22 said:

7 minutes ago, January J said:

I know I sound like a broken record..but if we somehow ended up with Ramsey and Spence with our first two picks it really doesn't matter what happens with the rest of the rounds- It will automatically be a HUGE success. The thought just gets me pumped. I seriously believe just those 2 players could totally turn our defense around and make us a serious threat. even spence at 6 and then Apple or Fuller would impact this defense dramatically.

 

Spence, Fuller, and then Shepard in the 3rd is the most I'm hoping for; I'd be very happy with that and it seems realistic. 

Your last sentence reminds me of something:  if we don't get Ramsey (Hargreave, or Alexander) in the first, there's maybe Apple, Fuller, and Burns in the 2nd.  I'm not sold there's a backup Spence in the 2nd without some good luck. 

[ALI624]

Just now, Jaybirds said:

Spence, Fuller, and then Shepard in the 3rd is the most I'm hoping for; I'd be very happy with that and it seems realistic. 

Your last sentence reminds me of something:  if we don't get Ramsey (Hargreave, or Alexander) in the first, there's maybe Apple, Fuller, and Burns in the 2nd.  I'm not sold there's a backup Spence in the 2nd without some good luck. 

And Cyrus Jones in the 3rd.

[January J]

18 minutes ago, ALI624 said:

 

 

20 minutes ago, ALI624 said:

And Cyrus Jones in the 3rd.

Maybe 4th. That's a little too high for US to take him there. Hes not really the shutdown play making cornerwe are llooking for andwould be more of a luxury or solid depth

[ALI624]

Yea that's what I meant I confused myself.

[edthehead]

7 hours ago, Winchester said:

Bosa is a little more flexible than credited for. And his burst is a little better than advertised. What is impressive is the power behind that burst. I can prove Bosa is far more flexible than advertised by those looking for flaws. The combine will tell the tale for he and Spence. If Bosa runs better than 4.75 at 280 pounds with good jump shuttle he will go before Spence even if he lights it up as well. If Spence impresses at the co!time and Bosa is so so then it could catapult Spence over Bosa. Bosa looks to be a bigger  much stronger Kerrigan. There are no Khalil Mack's in this draft. This is shaping up to be a fairly OK draft.  Just not an abundance of the hot girls at edge rusher or those supermodel types like Beckham Cooper Watkins at WR. Which are ravens need positions. But deep DLine talent, lots of 3down Linebackers, deep at cornerback and WR. I really like Demarcus Robinson!! He could be the most complete WR in the draft.

Hot chicks and supermodels,,,  this analogy!!

I like your style, lol

[edthehead]

Here is a question, A simple logical question.

Josh Gordon, a 2nd round pick was spent on him and look at his history in college and now in the nfl.

would you still today at this moment spend a 1st rd pick on josh? He is a beast and we all know this. 

I like Spence really do, and while ecstasy is more of a party drug( sorry if I am wrong), but it cost him.

ie;  Dez Bryant, Burfict, justin houston , manningham , Da'quan Bowers, steven Jackson ,  

the great RANDY MOSS , WARREN SAPP  and DAN MARINO,

these are a couple players who fell due to injury, substance abuse, or just character concerns,

I would take all of these players but they did fall.  

[JoeyFlex5]

11 minutes ago, edthehead said:

Here is a question, A simple logical question.

Josh Gordon, a 2nd round pick was spent on him and look at his history in college and now in the nfl.

would you still today at this moment spend a 1st rd pick on josh? He is a beast and we all know this. 

I like Spence really do, and while ecstasy is more of a party drug( sorry if I am wrong), but it cost him.

ie;  Dez Bryant, Burfict, justin houston , manningham , Da'quan Bowers, steven Jackson ,  

the great RANDY MOSS , WARREN SAPP  and DAN MARINO,

these are a couple players who fell due to injury, substance abuse, or just character concerns,

I would take all of these players but they did fall.  

i wouldnt pass on spence because of his issue. if i pass on spence, its because i worry about him being able to hold up in the run game, ecstasy in college is a lot different than someone who beats women, or has a well known mental dependence on marijuana because of anxiety or whatever gregory claimed. i can look at it the way it is, he was very stupid and partied too hard, he did something that a large number of college kids do, however he was in the spotlight and they werent. even if he legitimately had a problem, it was more of a partying habit and stupidity than a drug addiction it seems to me, and he seems to have turned a corner, i actually think he could be a very high character kind of guy

[Winchester]

21 hours ago, January J said:

Thats Tough, in That situation i Genuinely wouldnt Know what to do. Id Have a hard time deciding between tread and spence..vh3 too..i Think i Would have to go with treadwell In that scenario, thE character concerns Would probably be the deciding factor- although they wouldnt Bother me if treadwell was off the board. I would just go tread and then shoot for yannick or floyd With the second pick. And who knows, maybe he would fall far enough to grab him in a trade up with our 2nd. Then wed Really be fortunate we didnt Take him with our first and would be thanking Our lucky Stars.

 

I am beginning to reconsider Treads at #6. Do not get me wrong I like him. #1WR is the biggest need and the one position where a one player will equal more wins. But his separation skills are not proven yet. And he will need a sub 4.6 at least at the combine. Reason I am reconsidering wanting him at 6 is the number of WRs is growing. There is Miller and Boyd looks faster than originally advertised. Robinson is very interesting and very skilled. Shepherd,Coleman,Sharp,Thomas etc. Treads needs to prove to be a jump better than his peers to take him in early round One. Rooting for him but his combine will mean a lot. If Ozzie's scouts do their homework properly the ravens can find a pair of borderline#1 WRs in late round 1 through round3. Hard to say how far Robinson slides!! He is good, very good.

[usmccharles]

2 hours ago, Winchester said:

If Ozzie's scouts do their homework properly the ravens can find a pair of borderline#1 WRs in late round 1 through round3

I agree.  Although the I have no confidence in the ravens drafting a WR in later rounds.  We still don't know about Perriman but at least we used a first rounder on him.  Our wr scouts are terrible,  isn't Torrey the only good wr we drafted? Now are tight end talent is insane at the moment.  I have actually came off my Judge Tread idea because there seems to be a bunch of mid level talent wrs this class 

[edthehead]

17 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

I agree.  Although the I have no confidence in the ravens drafting a WR in later rounds.  We still don't know about Perriman but at least we used a first rounder on him.  Our wr scouts are terrible,  isn't Torrey the only good wr we drafted? Now are tight end talent is insane at the moment.  I have actually came off my Judge Tread idea because there seems to be a bunch of mid level talent wrs this class 

Noooooooo, say it ain't so, judge tread sounds so good, lol

anyway, I do like doctson, but I do prefer Boyd due to his connection. 

tbh I would think we would target Boyd,

[ravensnation5220]

http://www.baltimorebeatdown.com/2016/2/1/10892006/insidious-draft-myths

Good article that supports the trade theory, im all in if our "guy" isnt there at 6. 

[usmccharles]

1 hour ago, edthehead said:

Noooooooo, say it ain't so, judge tread sounds so good, lol

anyway, I do like doctson, but I do prefer Boyd due to his connection. 

tbh I would think we would target Boyd,

The nickname shall stay 

[JoeyFlex5]

1 hour ago, edthehead said:

Noooooooo, say it ain't so, judge tread sounds so good, lol

anyway, I do like doctson, but I do prefer Boyd due to his connection. 

tbh I would think we would target Boyd,

i think we would be big on boyd and coleman, boyd for obvious reasons, and some will roll their eyes at coleman, but hear it out... name some traits of the ravens most successful wr's, what kinds of guys has flacco had the most success with... fierce competitors, 5'10" or less, feisty, sharp and shifty wrs with ridiculous ball skills, corey coleman is derrick mason and steve smith incarnate, of course this is assuming he can refine his game and adapt from a spread offense, which i think he can because the boy can stop and go on a dime and has great awareness, he looks like he just gets it. 

 

historically flacco has played very well with the mighty mouse wr's and if coleman is there in the 2nd(unlikely, but a fun thought) then i think he has to be the guy.

[ArsenalRaven666]

Draftboards are changing every day until free-agency and combine is over players will be moving all over the boards.

I do love trying to work out trades to get the players i want and do love the Idea of getting both the Rams 2nd rounders.

 

Do you think the 49ers would trade Kaepernick to the Rams ??

[Italian Raven]

2 hours ago, ravensnation5220 said:

http://www.baltimorebeatdown.com/2016/2/1/10892006/insidious-draft-myths

Good article that supports the trade theory, im all in if our "guy" isnt there at 6. 

Thanks for posting.
Very well put; I would like articles like that to be more frequent on the ravens main page.
I can't even read the fans comments on FB without shivering.. everyone claiming for Tread through the draft, Jeffrey through FA, or that drafting OT with a top ten pick equates to "untouchable QB".
Scheme fit and playcall should be taken into account as well.. for instance we could draft Bosa and he might never be able to reach his full potential (sure it's an hyperbole).

[ArsenalRaven666]

12 minutes ago, Italian Raven said:

Thanks for posting.
Very well put; I would like articles like that to be more frequent on the ravens main page.
I can't even read the fans comments on FB without shivering.. everyone claiming for Tread through the draft, Jeffrey through FA, or that drafting OT with a top ten pick equates to "untouchable QB".
Scheme fit and playcall should be taken into account as well.. for instance we could draft Bosa and he might never be able to reach his full potential (sure it's an hyperbole).

I do like the idea of drafting Treadwell but not at 6 but by trading down to Rams at 15 and gaining both their 2nds.  Will Treadwell make it to 15 im not 100% sure but we could certainly get boyd/miller/shephard in 2nd/3rd rounds.

[edthehead]

33 minutes ago, ArsenalRaven666 said:

I do like the idea of drafting Treadwell but not at 6 but by trading down to Rams at 15 and gaining both their 2nds.  Will Treadwell make it to 15 im not 100% sure but we could certainly get boyd/miller/shephard in 2nd/3rd rounds.

The purpose of this mock was to give an idea of what an aggressive draft could possibly be, get people talking

I like JUDGE TREAD, but I like BOYD also, Tread may be gone at 15, ok, then the fans here love noah spence

I like him also, I think he will go in the 20's but my point is this,

this draft needs to be a hit on so many levels and it can be.

many people here may not want a trade back but what separates really good from good,

give me 2 good players as oppose to 1 really good.