trade,trade,trade.

[Drew P]

LaRavens Clark is awful. Oakman in the fifth? There would be 32 GM's fired

[edthehead]

if we trade back many of these are realistic it can happen maybe not the exact player

but it involves us trading back and being very aggressive with our picks.

maybe JUDGE TREAD is gone at 15, then we pick Noah

maybe we come back in (1st) and get jaylon, then fuller 

I also like boyd, he has a connection with Bobby Engram (WR coach). 

[JoeyFlex5]

2 hours ago, Drew P said:

LaRavens Clark is awful. Oakman in the fifth? There would be 32 GM's fired

You acknowledge clarks awfulness and then you imply that oakman isn't? 

[Drew P]

1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

You acknowledge clarks awfulness and then you imply that oakman isn't? 

He isn't a first rounder but with his measurable's and some NFL coaching he's well worth a third round selection.

[JoeyFlex5]

44 minutes ago, Drew P said:

He isn't a first rounder but with his measurable's and some NFL coaching he's well worth a third round selection.

Yeah if you're into wasting 3rd round picks lol

[JoeyFlex5]

2 hours ago, edthehead said:

if we trade back many of these are realistic it can happen maybe not the exact player

but it involves us trading back and being very aggressive with our picks.

maybe JUDGE TREAD is gone at 15, then we pick Noah

maybe we come back in (1st) and get jaylon, then fuller 

I also like boyd, he has a connection with Bobby Engram (WR coach). 

I still think I like Boyd in the 2nd more and engrams relation to him is part of that, seems like Destiny. 

 

I've also warned up to coleman, flacco has always loved those sharp and feisty 5'10" wrs with stupid ball skills.

[Drew P]

10 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Yeah if you're into wasting 3rd round picks lol

Well Carl Davis was a third rounder and he rode the pine for several weeks if i recall correctly. Oakman IMO is a better prospect than Davis and a great athlete. I'd be thrilled if he was selected in round 3.

Edited February 1, 2016 by Drew P
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[JoeyFlex5]

16 minutes ago, Drew P said:

Well Carl Davis was a third rounder and he rode the pine for several weeks if i recall correctly. Oakman IMO is a better prospect than Davis and a great athlete. I'd be thrilled if he was selected in round 3.

Carl Davis was widely regarded as a first rounder who fell due to concerns over his attitude. Very different. You wouldn't have found many analysts or scouts who would have called him anything less than an early 2nd based on talent alone. Oakman on the other hand is nothing more than a specimen, he honestly has almost no football talent at all, and after 2 seasons of being in The spotlight he hasn't improved at all. He is a big weightlifter and nothing more. And scouts know this. Someone Very well could take a flyer on him but I hope it isn't us. Passing on a sterling Shepard or a Joe Dahl or braxton Miller or Alex Collins for oakman would be a bonehead move

[Drew P]

If Oakman entered the draft last year he probably would have been a first round pick. The guy I saw on Saturday in the senior bowl is what he is capable of.

Carl Davis "fell" because quite frankly he isn't anything to get excited over. Those picks that fall end up being average at best see; Upshaw, Oher and Kindle.

Miller showed absolutely nothing Saturday and is a project the Ravens don't need. He isn't a natural pass catcher reminds me of Braylon Edwards-hands of stone. Shepard would be okay but would just be another #3. The kinda guy they've been stock piling for years. Collins would be entering an already crowded backfield i just don't see it. if they go WR go early. No projects and no small school standouts.

[thieverycorporation]

Your in the minority as far as opinion of what Shepard brings. And with correct coaching I believe BMiller will thrive like Randle _El. It has been done before and I believe he'll prove doubters wrong. I think he's right in Chippers wheelhouse. If Kap doesn't work out he can surplant him with Miller. I wouldn't be so sure he doesn't go early and to the 49er's. It's a Chip type maneuver. They won't have to trade a thing.

Edited February 1, 2016 by thieverycorporation

[Baltimore RAYvens]

16 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

so where does ronnie stanley go in this scenario? 

 

Maybe we pick him up after the draft?

[edthehead]

1 hour ago, Drew P said:

If Oakman entered the draft last year he probably would have been a first round pick. The guy I saw on Saturday in the senior bowl is what he is capable of.

Carl Davis "fell" because quite frankly he isn't anything to get excited over. Those picks that fall end up being average at best see; Upshaw, Oher and Kindle.

Miller showed absolutely nothing Saturday and is a project the Ravens don't need. He isn't a natural pass catcher reminds me of Braylon Edwards-hands of stone. Shepard would be okay but would just be another #3. The kinda guy they've been stock piling for years. Collins would be entering an already crowded backfield i just don't see it. if they go WR go early. No projects and no small school standouts.

I agree no WR projects, if we do go WR, go early and no later than rd 2.

imo everything in 3 on out is a project.

[JoeyFlex5]

2 hours ago, Drew P said:

If Oakman entered the draft last year he probably would have been a first round pick. The guy I saw on Saturday in the senior bowl is what he is capable of.

Carl Davis "fell" because quite frankly he isn't anything to get excited over. Those picks that fall end up being average at best see; Upshaw, Oher and Kindle.

Miller showed absolutely nothing Saturday and is a project the Ravens don't need. He isn't a natural pass catcher reminds me of Braylon Edwards-hands of stone. Shepard would be okay but would just be another #3. The kinda guy they've been stock piling for years. Collins would be entering an already crowded backfield i just don't see it. if they go WR go early. No projects and no small school standouts.

If oakman went last year and got drafted in the first he would have been a bust. Oakman looked ok in the senior bowl because it's the senior bowl, he's playing against scrub competition, he looked bad in drills all week and happened to shove around some guys who may never be more than a backup in the nfl, if they even make it that far. 

 

Scouts don't buy into internet memes about a player, they know he is as raw a project as you'll ever find, and no internet hype Will change that. Andrew billings is the one and only star of that Baylor line. 

 

Shepard could be a #3 but he also could be a high volume possession receiver. The thing is, he looks like ten times the player that Oakman looks, and we wouldn't need 4 years of coaching before he begins to produce. Oakman is trash

 

[JoeyFlex5]

1 hour ago, Baltimore RAYvens said:

 

Maybe we pick him up after the draft?

Someone thinks quite low of Stanley... 

 

It appears he falls out of the top 20 here. That's a first

[rmw10]

2 hours ago, Drew P said:

If Oakman entered the draft last year he probably would have been a first round pick. The guy I saw on Saturday in the senior bowl is what he is capable of.

Carl Davis "fell" because quite frankly he isn't anything to get excited over. Those picks that fall end up being average at best see; Upshaw, Oher and Kindle.

Miller showed absolutely nothing Saturday and is a project the Ravens don't need. He isn't a natural pass catcher reminds me of Braylon Edwards-hands of stone. Shepard would be okay but would just be another #3. The kinda guy they've been stock piling for years. Collins would be entering an already crowded backfield i just don't see it. if they go WR go early. No projects and no small school standouts.

Saw a report on Saturday that few scouts actually stay for the game since it's meaningless.  It's all about the week of practice leading up to the game.

[PurpleCity5]

On 1/31/2016 at 6:52 PM, ngatainmyhouse said:

I think Spence and Jaylon's draft stock can fluctuate a lot in the next few months and neither is a lock at where they're projected right now. If Tunsil, Ramsey and Bosa are gone at 6 then this is an ideal situation. I might go with Jaylon at 15 and then trade back up for Spence cause I don't see either of these players making it out of this 1st. 

 

I think both players can go anywhere as well. I don't consider Tunsil, Ramsey and Bosa all locks to go into the top 5, I think one of them can drop to us. You got 5 picks there, one of those teams in the top 5 will be picking a QB, after that all it takes is one team to pass on one of them. 

Edited February 2, 2016 by PurpleCity5

[PurpleCity5]

This would be a great draft for us, but I just don't see this coming to fruition, I think its a bit unrealistic to be honest. I don't see Jaylon Smith falling that far down, he's super talented and can potentially be an edge rusher for a team. I think he's flexible, similar to Clay Matthews, not in play but rather how both could move from inside to outside in a pinch. I personally think teams will consider Smith too talented to fall that far. 

[g8or_102352]

If the Ravens made these trades, there is no way we would get Treadwell, Smith and Spence. We could possibly get two of them with the first round picks. I could see us going with Smith and Spence in the first. Then we could get a WR like Boyd, Shepard, or Miller, along with a CB like Burns or Fuller in the second. Still think its a bit of a stretch, but if we could pull it off, it would be a hell of a draft.

[edthehead]

2 hours ago, g8or_102352 said:

If the Ravens made these trades, there is no way we would get Treadwell, Smith and Spence. We could possibly get two of them with the first round picks. I could see us going with Smith and Spence in the first. Then we could get a WR like Boyd, Shepard, or Miller, along with a CB like Burns or Fuller in the second. Still think its a bit of a stretch, but if we could pull it off, it would be a hell of a draft.

I did mention that earlier, almost to the exact,

 Smith, Noah in the 1st and fuller, boyd in the 2nd,

I like boyd and he has  a connection here. 

[Drew P]

14 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

If oakman went last year and got drafted in the first he would have been a bust. Oakman looked ok in the senior bowl because it's the senior bowl, he's playing against scrub competition, he looked bad in drills all week and happened to shove around some guys who may never be more than a backup in the nfl, if they even make it that far. 

 

Scouts don't buy into internet memes about a player, they know he is as raw a project as you'll ever find, and no internet hype Will change that. Andrew billings is the one and only star of that Baylor line. 

 

Shepard could be a #3 but he also could be a high volume possession receiver. The thing is, he looks like ten times the player that Oakman looks, and we wouldn't need 4 years of coaching before he begins to produce. Oakman is trash

 

Some of you guys kill me, its not what happens on the field, its all about the drills lol.  If its a player you "like" and he blows up in the Senior bowl then he is Canton bound if its a guy you dont like that played well then he played against bums.

[Baltimore RAYvens]

15 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Someone thinks quite low of Stanley... 

 

It appears he falls out of the top 20 here. That's a first

FWIW I think Stanley goes top 5

[JoeyFlex5]

54 minutes ago, Drew P said:

Some of you guys kill me, its not what happens on the field, its all about the drills lol.  If its a player you "like" and he blows up in the Senior bowl then he is Canton bound if its a guy you dont like that played well then he played against bums.

Noah Spence has played great all throughout college, in Ohio state and eku, oakman has been average, sloppy, uncoordinated, and unskilled all throughout college and has showed zero improvement over the past 2 seasons. 

 

Assuming Spence is the one you're referring to. Its not the senior bowl, it's the overall body of work. Oakmans was bad, spences was not. Oakman looks ugly as hell on tape, he doesn't look first round caliber, Spence has looked like a first round talent from the day he stepped on the field for Ohio state 

[redlobster]

3 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Noah Spence has played great all throughout college, in Ohio state and eku, oakman has been average, sloppy, uncoordinated, and unskilled all throughout college and has showed zero improvement over the past 2 seasons. 

 

Assuming Spence is the one you're referring to. Its not the senior bowl, it's the overall body of work. Oakmans was bad, spences was not. Oakman looks ugly as hell on tape, he doesn't look first round caliber, Spence has looked like a first round talent from the day he stepped on the field for Ohio state 

I think Oakman has relied on his size and nothing more. He will get wrecked in NFL.

[GrimCoconut]

5 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Noah Spence has played great all throughout college, in Ohio state and eku, oakman has been average, sloppy, uncoordinated, and unskilled all throughout college and has showed zero improvement over the past 2 seasons. 

 

Assuming Spence is the one you're referring to. Its not the senior bowl, it's the overall body of work. Oakmans was bad, spences was not. Oakman looks ugly as hell on tape, he doesn't look first round caliber, Spence has looked like a first round talent from the day he stepped on the field for Ohio state 

I don't get why people bring up Spence like he's some scrub from a third rated school. First of all, he played for Ohio State until he was banned by the conference (B1G) & not the school. Then he goes to EKU and puts up nice numbers.

Second, Bosa didn't put up the numbers he did last year, and while I think that's partly due to him focusing on other areas of his game, I think it's also because teams can focus on him more since Spence is gone. Last year Bosa played with Spence, who the other team also had to focus on stopping. This loss likely made it much harder on Bosa and shows how much help he got from Spence and how they both helped the other. 

I strongly believe Spence would be a top 10 pick if B1G never banned him, even with the ecstasy concerns. 

[GrimCoconut]

4 minutes ago, redlobster said:

I think Oakman has relied on his size and nothing more. He will get wrecked in NFL.

I'm not a fan of him. He reminds me of Margus Hunt. He may one day become a good player with development and good coaching, but I think he's more likely to enter obscurity. 

[edthehead]

bosa vs spence ??

who you have.

[JoeyFlex5]

26 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

I don't get why people bring up Spence like he's some scrub from a third rated school. First of all, he played for Ohio State until he was banned by the conference (B1G) & not the school. Then he goes to EKU and puts up nice numbers.

Second, Bosa didn't put up the numbers he did last year, and while I think that's partly due to him focusing on other areas of his game, I think it's also because teams can focus on him more since Spence is gone. Last year Bosa played with Spence, who the other team also had to focus on stopping. This loss likely made it much harder on Bosa and shows how much help he got from Spence and how they both helped the other. 

I strongly believe Spence would be a top 10 pick if B1G never banned him, even with the ecstasy concerns. 

That's esentially the exact point I was trying to make to drew p. It sounds like he was referring to us hyping Spence due to his senior bowl, but he has always been a huge talent and oakman has always been a weightlifter and nothing more, it's Apple's to oranges. 

[Drew P]

39 minutes ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

That's esentially the exact point I was trying to make to drew p. It sounds like he was referring to us hyping Spence due to his senior bowl, but he has always been a huge talent and oakman has always been a weightlifter and nothing more, it's Apple's to oranges. 

The point is Oakman in the third round isn't unfathomable. Some of you all have Spence for first round consideration which is silly. Oakman was a four star recruit out of high school that initially received a free ride at Penn State so he must have impressed some one that knows more about football than any of us keyboard GM's.

Sure Spence has the tools, except in his skull, his game actually reminds me of Kindle. I just cant see Ozzie gambling on an idiot like Spence at 6.

 

Edited February 2, 2016 by Drew P
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[JoeyFlex5]

1 minute ago, Drew P said:

The point is Oakman in the third round isn't unfathomable. Some of you all have Spence for first round consideration which is silly. Oakman was a four star recruit out of high school that initially received a free ride at Penn State so he must have impressed some one that knows more about football than any of us keyboard GM's.

Sure Spence has the tools, except in his skull, his game actually reminds me of Kindle. I just cant see Ozzie gambling on an idiot like Spence at 6.

 

plenty of players are major recruits out of high school, where they face other high schoolers and they have the luxury of impressing folks with raw strength, he also was dismissed from penn state if that means anything to you. the difference between a high school recruit and a nfl prospect, is progression, if oakman is still playing on a high school level as a college senior, which he is, it shows that he is completely maxed out and isnt progressing like he should. He had a high ceiling coming out of high school and he never even came close to that ceiling in college, why should we believe that he will suddenly start showing progression even though he has shown none over 4 years of college? oakman isnt unfathomable in the third round because there are gm's in the league who have the luxury of taking a flyer on physical specimens, but if the NFL consisted of 32 teams who cant afford to miss on a 3rd round pick then oakman wouldnt even be in the conversation, because he does not show the aptitude to progress to NFL caliber play, so it just wouldnt be worth the risk. 

 

im not saying ozzie will gamble on spence at 6 either, but you also dont seem to understand that young kids make mistakes, if everyone thought like you then cris carter would have been out of the league after his stint with the eagles, but instead he had a HOF career and was known as the greatest set of hands to ever play sports and is now an incredible mentor to young NFL players and helps them deal with those pressures. people change a lot more often than you want to give credit for, and if we are gonna draft a risky prospect at 6th, id rather take the nfl talent with character concerns over the guy who doesnt even know how to play. 

 

again, spence has been a dominant player all throughout college, you can argue that he was every bit as good as bosa when he was at OHST, and there is plenty of evidence to back up that argument, including his tape and the difference in bosa's performance after spence left. without the OHST dismissal, spence is easily a top 10 talent, and more than likely he would have been our top priority in this draft, thats how talented the kid is, it also doesnt hurt that he would be a prototype OLB for us with some coaching up to refine his abilities against the run, and even WITH his off-field issues, he still is likely a first rounder. shawn oakman is just a bad football player, impressive specimen, but looking at the overall body of work they arent even in the same stratosphere and should realistically be drafted 3 rounds apart.

[JoeyFlex5]

57 minutes ago, edthehead said:

bosa vs spence ??

who you have.

i think you have to go with bosa, because spence obviously has some red flags tied to his character, but also bosa brings versatility that spence doesnt. bosa will be a beast against the run from day 1, and will also provide edge rush, and he can play DE, DT, and OLB in our system really on either side and on any given snap, spence i believe would be locked in at ROLB rotating behind suggs as a pure edge rusher and would eventually be groomed into the successor. 

 

spence would probably make the bigger impact from day 1, as i think his presence alone would immediately result in our team totals in sacks rising by double digits, and may be the long term better option assuming he can become a true 3-down OLB, but bosa is definitely safer and the more versatile of the 2. 

 

if im the GM, i go with bosa easily, but say we were at 10th and it came down to.... spence, vh3, stanley, and tread, i think i go with spence there.