[News] Should Ravens Trade Out Of No. 6 Spot?

[trevorsteadman]

  8 hours ago, PalmBayRaven said:

We need to stay at #6. We have enough draft picks and that is assuming we pick well this draft. Only CJ has been worthy of our #1 the last few years. Sorry, Elam was a bust. Perriman did not play and he remains to be seen. Having lots of compensatory picks hasn't helped either because look at where we are now, picking #6 cause we sucked a good portion of season. Not the drinking the kool-aid anymore.

CJ hasn't even proven that he is worth a 1st Round pick yet either.

In my opinion from what I have seen from Mosley I think he was worth a 1st round pick. We have yet to see from Perriman and hopefully Elam can get over that hump. He turned heads before tearing his biceps or whatever in training camp. Maybe he will be a nice surprise and prove doubters, like myself, wrong and start next year. It is a long shot but we will see. Mosley went to the pro bowl his rookie year and had just as productive season if not more this season.

[trevorsteadman]

The only thing Ozzie fooled was himself into was a 5-11 season. Trade up or trade down does not matter this team will finish in third place with maybe at best 8-8 season. Draft picks take a full year in the NFL to even make any difference and that's if they don't pick another 2013 draft class.

While another bad season may be in the future no one knows. I think the reason the Ravens were 5-11 was because of injury reasons. The rotation of guys we signed off the streets or off of other teams' practice squads was ridiculous and no one saw it coming. Injuries happen in the NFL and I do think we are finding talent in the draft to keep us afloat. There are busts but that happens to every team. Luckily I think the Ravens are one of the better teams at getting good solid starters out of players from rounds 3-5 and sometimes even 6-Undrafted than most teams. If the Panthers lost Kuechly, Newton, Stewart, all of their receivers that started on the roster except one, Olsen, and several others do you think they make it to the playoffs?

[Purple&Black]

As much as I would like someone like Ramsey,  I wouldn't be opposed to trading back. We need more than one piece, plus I think if we trade back we have a real shot t getting Noah Spence who was arguably a top 5, at least top 10 prospect before getting kicked out of Ohio state.

[Purple&Black]

What do you guys think about trying to draft Braxton miller? I'd say he will probably play his way into the 2nd with how he's performing at the senior bowl, and how he'll do at the combine. Interesting development guy. He has natural ability to make an immediate impact, and as he starts to polish as a wr he could be a really good one. Been watching the senior bowl practices, and he's putting dbs on skates.

[Purple&Black]

12 hours ago, jravens13 said:

So much elite talent at the top of this Draft. If we have the opportunity to draft Tunsil, Bosa, Ramsey, Mack, or Jaylon Smith, how could we possibly trade back? If we really want to draft a corner Round 1 and pass up on those guys, that would be the only thing that makes any sense. I could see us moving back to 10th-13th and drafting a CB there.

Mckenzie or VH One of those two will like fall just outside the top 10 depending on where ramsey and one of the before mentioned fall. All 3 cbs won't be top 10, and all 3 could be immediate starters on a football team. I think VH is the better ball hawk, but more of a nickle, while Mckenzie can lock down a side. I personally think he's the best cb in the draft. Ramsey is the best athlete, but he isn't as great a cb as the others. (not to say he can't be elite at the position). By far the best safety though.

[cobrajet]

  15 hours ago, PalmBayRaven said:

We need to stay at #6. We have enough draft picks and that is assuming we pick well this draft. Only CJ has been worthy of our #1 the last few years. Sorry, Elam was a bust. Perriman did not play and he remains to be seen. Having lots of compensatory picks hasn't helped either because look at where we are now, picking #6 cause we sucked a good portion of season. Not the drinking the kool-aid anymore.

I agree stay and pick Ramsey!

I agree!

[balfan23]

15 hours ago, hen826957 said:

Joey Bosa and Ramsey has to be the two guys Ozzie really wants. I wish we could get both :-). Trading back would be a big mistake unless it stays in the top 10. If they traded back to the 20th pick then it's a horrible mistake and idiotic. Take the best talent at number 6.

I'm just hoping we can get one of them, and even that seems like less than a 50-50 proposition.

It would seem the most likely trade back scenario would involve a team that wants a QB. I don't see anyone in the top 10 that fits. Houston is perhaps the most needy team, but at 22, there is no way they try to trade to 6 (because we'd ask for - and deserve - the moon and stars for that move and no QB in this draft is worth it). The most likely seems to be either the Eagles at 13 (depending on what they do with Bradford) or the Rams at 15. That's still a massive move back - so in order for us to do it, we have to be getting a lot in return and be confident that there will still be someone available in the 1st that will be a big time play maker. 

[bigcatfrank1]

  15 hours ago, jravens13 said:

  18 hours ago, PalmBayRaven said:

We need to stay at #6. We have enough draft picks and that is assuming we pick well this draft. Only CJ has been worthy of our #1 the last few years. Sorry, Elam was a bust. Perriman did not play and he remains to be seen. Having lots of compensatory picks hasn't helped either because look at where we are now, picking #6 cause we sucked a good portion of season. Not the drinking the kool-aid anymore.

CJ hasn't even proven that he is worth a 1st Round pick yet either.

In my opinion from what I have seen from Mosley I think he was worth a 1st round pick. We have yet to see from Perriman and hopefully Elam can get over that hump. He turned heads before tearing his biceps or whatever in training camp. Maybe he will be a nice surprise and prove doubters, like myself, wrong and start next year. It is a long shot but we will see. Mosley went to the pro bowl his rookie year and had just as productive season if not more this season.

Mosley needs to improve in the pass coverage...its obvious. Elam is on the fence he may be gone in a year of he cant improve. So guess that shows you how I feel. Perriman needs to play. I say the Ravens will pick up at least 2 defensive backs in the draft.

[bigcatfrank1]

The Ravens absolutely need Corners! If they can move up to get one they should do it! get the best corner they can get. In fact get the best 2 corners they can get. And a LB and a Pass rusher and a LT and a WR and a RB. Cause that is what this team needs. If this team does not excel at everyone of those positions it will go 8-8 or lower.

[bigcatfrank1]

The Ravens absolutely need Corners! If they can move up to get one they should do it! get the best corner they can get. In fact get the best 2 corners they can get. And a LB and a Pass rusher and a LT and a WR and a RB. Cause that is what this team needs. If this team does not excel at everyone of those positions it will go 8-8 or lower.

and when I say excel, I mean excel in the player that is placed at that position over whom currently or is drafted/FA/ or available for them at the position. So maybe it is a player they have now, maybe its a draft, maybe its FA. BUT some decisions will need to be made. If it were me, I would take a few chances, heck why not at 5-11 who would blame you. Spend some money on a 3-5 year WR. Maybe look at a no name walk on RB as a 3rd or PS, secondary trade if necessary to snag a decent developing young LT in the Draft. shake it up ...BUT GET 2 CORNERS!!

[slowboater]

If Ramsey is gone, then do the Ravens move down a few? They need bodies almost as much as a tackle, DE and CB...

[slowboater]

  23 hours ago, Crusader said:

The only thing Ozzie fooled was himself into was a 5-11 season. Trade up or trade down does not matter this team will finish in third place with maybe at best 8-8 season. Draft picks take a full year in the NFL to even make any difference and that's if they don't pick another 2013 draft class.

While another bad season may be in the future no one knows. I think the reason the Ravens were 5-11 was because of injury reasons. The rotation of guys we signed off the streets or off of other teams' practice squads was ridiculous and no one saw it coming. Injuries happen in the NFL and I do think we are finding talent in the draft to keep us afloat. There are busts but that happens to every team. Luckily I think the Ravens are one of the better teams at getting good solid starters out of players from rounds 3-5 and sometimes even 6-Undrafted than most teams. If the Panthers lost Kuechly, Newton, Stewart, all of their receivers that started on the roster except one, Olsen, and several others do you think they make it to the playoffs?

The Ravens were out of the playoff race before Suggs got hurt. Is he that big of a difference maker that the Ravens would have picked up even a couple more wins?

[smiley4660]

No, keep the 6th and bring in bonafide talent, not a "project", like Perriman.

[harfordravenfan]

47 minutes ago, slowboater said:

The Ravens were out of the playoff race before Suggs got hurt. Is he that big of a difference maker that the Ravens would have picked up even a couple more wins?

 

Out of the playoff race by week one? The loss of Suggs was huge, Doom went from 17 sacks to 6 or something like that.

[Purple&Black]

On 1/29/2016 at 3:29 PM, sami said:

everyone is saying Jalen Ramsey is just what we need. A play-maker in the secondary. Our biggest problem in the secondary is no one can get an interception. Ramsey has only 4 picks in 3 yrs. Doesn't sound like he will help the secondary much in the take-away stats.

I thint if he plays safety he will be a star. The year FSU won the title he was all over the field as a safety. If turnovers is what we need, VH3 Is the guy, personally I like Mckenzie as the best cb. Not flashy, but absolutely locks down wrs. Webb playing full time safety should generate more turnovers as well.

[Purple&Black]

Cam Sutton is a forgotten man at cb too who could be a steal in the 2nd. Cbs are top heavy in this draft. Ramsey, vh3, Mckenzie, apple, Sutton could all go early. Ist-2nd

[cobrajet]

  22 hours ago, hen826957 said:

Joey Bosa and Ramsey has to be the two guys Ozzie really wants. I wish we could get both :-). Trading back would be a big mistake unless it stays in the top 10. If they traded back to the 20th pick then it's a horrible mistake and idiotic. Take the best talent at number 6.

I'm just hoping we can get one of them, and even that seems like less than a 50-50 proposition.

It would seem the most likely trade back scenario would involve a team that wants a QB. I don't see anyone in the top 10 that fits. Houston is perhaps the most needy team, but at 22, there is no way they try to trade to 6 (because we'd ask for - and deserve - the moon and stars for that move and no QB in this draft is worth it). The most likely seems to be either the Eagles at 13 (depending on what they do with Bradford) or the Rams at 15. That's still a massive move back - so in order for us to do it, we have to be getting a lot in return and be confident that there will still be someone available in the 1st that will be a big time play maker. 

I think it is probably less than 50-50 also. Bosa will be gone but I am still holding out hope for Ramsey. It would be awesome to land him!

[rmcjacket23]

2 hours ago, slowboater said:

The Ravens were out of the playoff race before Suggs got hurt. Is he that big of a difference maker that the Ravens would have picked up even a couple more wins?

He got hurt in week 1, when we lost a tight game on the road to a SB team.

Not really accurate to think we were already a non playoff team after week 1...

[rmcjacket23]

4 hours ago, bigcatfrank1 said:

The Ravens absolutely need Corners! If they can move up to get one they should do it! get the best corner they can get. In fact get the best 2 corners they can get. And a LB and a Pass rusher and a LT and a WR and a RB. Cause that is what this team needs. If this team does not excel at everyone of those positions it will go 8-8 or lower.

1. We're obviously not going to get like 7 or 8 quality players in one offseason, because that's basically impossible. Incredibly unrealistic expectation. That's a 3 year project if you have exceptional drafts.

2.  We also already proved we could win playoff games with a makeshift offensive line and terrible corners as well, so the 8-8 idea based solely on that seems unrealistic.

[bigcatfrank1]

for me, again me.
I would trade back (ie;rams)get both 2nd round pics
then come back in the first and grab another player, with maybe those 2 2nd or a 2nd and what a 3rd,
get the pics and spend them.

Trade UP ! get the best Corner we can get !

[bigcatfrank1]

No. Ravens Need a CB,S, Pass rusher, Wr , and maybe even OT. Although I think they will look to get OT and Wr through cuts or mid rounds since Monroe is under contract and Perriman was 1st pick last year. At that spot the best player at one of those positions will be available. If Ravens trust their evaluation process, then take a playmaker at that spot. They can always use day two to trade down for move picks.

Absolutely! Trade up if possible but do not trade down. Get a CB! S LT or Pass Rusher at 6 but get a #1 player that will absolutely be an impact day 1. Then use the #2 or the 2 #3's to move things around a bit. There are lots of options out there after round 1.

[Mad Puppy]

I say do not move down. #6 is an impact player.
If Ozzie is as good as advertised there is no need to move down. Moving down is Chicken Sh!t in my opinion and only nets you your least desirable choice in the first round.
Thing to look out for is the 2nd round, Ozzie is likely to take a chance on a player that has warts but talent there....

[glen ferguson]

Here's what i think Ozzie should do. If he can get a trade with Philli at 13 or St.Louis at 15 for the right price , take it. This price in my opinion is Philli's 1st,2nd and 3rd for our number 6 spot ,or St. Louis's 1st and two 2nd round picks for our number 6 spot. In this case we would have a 1st, two 2nd and two 3rd or a 1st, three 2nd and a third. If this happens , theres no way in hell that we could'nt get a premier (pass rusher), ( cb), (wr) in that order . He could do what ever he wants with the remainder of our picks. I would be happy with Spence Lb, Alexander cb,and a wr with a combination of speed and good route running who can actually catch the ball, say, Braxton Miller.  I hope we can find a way to resign Osemele.

[jravens13]

On 1/30/2016 at 4:53 AM, Rasenshuriken84 said:

lol really? rookie pro bowl, second in DRoY (which he should of won), 1st on the team on tackles his rookie year and 2nd on the team this year if i remember right, he was tied for the team lead in INT's his rookie year.

i can totally see where you think he didn't deserve that first round pick *ends sarcasm*

He is an attacking run stuffing LB. But he can't run sideline to sideline, and is a total liability in coverage against RB's and TE's. His open field tackling is average at best. His lateral agility and hips are below average for the position. I also saw him leave his gap assignments opening up huge running lanes in almost every game this season. A guy with his skill set could be found in Round 2-3. Lets not kid ourselves thinking we found the next Luke Kuechly, Navarro Bowman, or Patrick Willis. He isn't even Levonte David, Bobby Wagner, or Danny Trevathan. So far he hasn't lived up to where he was drafted at No. 17 overall. He let Daryl Smith on his final leg out tackle him this year. Now Jaylon Smith or Miles Jack have that Round 1 ability for example...

Edited February 2, 2016 by jravens13