[News] Should Ravens Trade Out Of No. 6 Spot?

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The Ravens need a blue-chip player, and it may be a while before another golden opportunity comes around.

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[The Greek]

it is obvious that pass rusher is their #1 priority and unless bosa falls to them which will not happen they may trade it. if they do i hope it is with a team that will still give us a top 14 pick plus another 2nd. ramsey is too good to pass up at #6 but ozzie will trade it if its is the right pkg deal

[HomeoftheBRAVENS]

The ravens can't afford to trade back.We're picking at number six for a reason.We need the type of talent you can only find in the top six spots of the draft.

[JetLife94]

I hope Ozzie picks a home run! Immediate starter, contributer, and team player. Hope the first 3 picks go to defense!

[balfan23]

15 minutes ago, HomeoftheBRAVENS said:

The ravens can't afford to trade back.We're picking at number six for a reason.We need the type of talent you can only find in the top six spots of the draft.

I definitely understand the sentiment, but we still will have to see how things fall based on the first 5 selections and see just how far back we'd go in a trade vs. what is being offered in return. Let's say we have listed 5 guys who we feel are can't miss and all 5 are selected in front of us. We see the next 6 guys as all being somewhat equal and that we'd be happy with any one of them, then it would make sense to trade back a few slots, knowing we'll get one of those guys in that tier and potentially get some significant draft ammo in return.  

[fusuymada]

Ozzie has a way of fooling people when he has these picks. During the Flacco/Rice draft they moved out and then moved back up to get them both. Same with Ogden and R Lewis. But Jamal Lewis they went ahead and grabbed him at that spot and didn't trade out. Lets think Ozzie will surprise everyone this year too and as bad as we need Ramsey, and knowing that Dallas just ahead of us may also be interested, perhaps ozzie will move up and grab that best cb/safety/defensive player in the draft. You can't replace that type of player and it makes no sense to sit back and lose him when the crux of our issues lie in the secondary and pass rush. I firmly believe a cb will allow the pass rush more time to get to the QB and a good pass rusher will help out the cb but making the qb throw early. We need to draft Ramsey high and move back up into the first and grab that good DE that happens to slide down the board. One good pass rusher and one great CB, along with the return of Suggs, will drastically help this defense. Perhaps make it a top 10 defense when all is said and done.

[edthehead]

for me, again me.
I would trade back (ie;rams)get both 2nd round pics
then come back in the first and grab another player, with maybe those 2 2nd or a 2nd and what a 3rd,
get the pics and spend them.

[Ravenous_Ravens]

I definitely agree take the best player at 6th pick overall. No sense trading a top 10 pick and not much value to gain from it. I'm leaning towards Jalen Ramsey if he's available, to be a CB primarily. He'll need one full year as a pro to really play freely like in college but he can and would play from day 1 and not be out of place. More I watch OSU's Sterling Shepard WR, more I want to scream at the Ravens scouting department to not let this guy go undrafted in the 2nd round. He is the real deal, best WR as far as separation and solid steady hands. He's the chain mover, big play making receiver the Ravens need to add for the eventual departure of SSR. He might not have the ideal size, but his technique, reliability and passion are always on full display. Not to mention he can also be a return man. I feel it absolutely necessary to mention all this as the Ravens have not had the best track record when picking receivers. WR's NEED to be able to create separation and catch the ball if they are going to be successful at the next level. Make the wise decision.

[balfan23]

13 minutes ago, fusuymada said:

Ozzie has a way of fooling people when he has these picks. During the Flacco/Rice draft they moved out and then moved back up to get them both. Same with Ogden and R Lewis. But Jamal Lewis they went ahead and grabbed him at that spot and didn't trade out. Lets think Ozzie will surprise everyone this year too and as bad as we need Ramsey, and knowing that Dallas just ahead of us may also be interested, perhaps ozzie will move up and grab that best cb/safety/defensive player in the draft. You can't replace that type of player and it makes no sense to sit back and lose him when the crux of our issues lie in the secondary and pass rush. I firmly believe a cb will allow the pass rush more time to get to the QB and a good pass rusher will help out the cb but making the qb throw early. We need to draft Ramsey high and move back up into the first and grab that good DE that happens to slide down the board. One good pass rusher and one great CB, along with the return of Suggs, will drastically help this defense. Perhaps make it a top 10 defense when all is said and done.

That's a scenario I don't hear anyone talking about (which is why it makes sense that you state it would be a surprise). In a previous post, I state that it could be there are a number of guys that we view as "can't miss" and that they could all be gone before we select. If things fall that way, a trade back is certainly possible, but a trade up could avoid that very scenario. Of course, it is potentially difficult to make that trade, particularly if you view it that our trading partners will likely want the very same players. Trading with SD over DAL to get Ramsey may not be a trade SD is willing to make, or may ask for a price that Ozzie isn't willing to pay. 

[thieverycorporation]

29 minutes ago, Ravenous_Ravens said:

I definitely agree take the best player at 6th pick overall. No sense trading a top 10 pick and not much value to gain from it. I'm leaning towards Jalen Ramsey if he's available, to be a CB primarily. He'll need one full year as a pro to really play freely like in college but he can and would play from day 1 and not be out of place. More I watch OSU's Sterling Shepard WR, more I want to scream at the Ravens scouting department to not let this guy go undrafted in the 2nd round. He is the real deal, best WR as far as separation and solid steady hands. He's the chain mover, big play making receiver the Ravens need to add for the eventual departure of SSR. He might not have the ideal size, but his technique, reliability and passion are always on full display. Not to mention he can also be a return man. I feel it absolutely necessary to mention all this as the Ravens have not had the best track record when picking receivers. WR's NEED to be able to create separation and catch the ball if they are going to be successful at the next level. Make the wise decision.

Agreed with Shepard and to get him comfortably we could get the Rams picks 2nds and do real service to the roster. One player (blue Chipper or not) isn't going to address the talent gap we're facing in numerous area's. Smart money for me is to get the two's and not have to wait so long to acquire the top tiered talent. Ramsey would be great but several players with upside seems better. We can offset the lack of salary cap (currently), possible free agent losses, etc by doing the smart thing. Don't just put one/ two eggs in the basket. It's a valuable draft position @ 6 and would be a shame not to capitalize on the position. It's a far cry from the twenties were you don't get much. Talking about a killer draft with numerous scenario's at their disposal. It really doesn't get any better. I wouldn't be surprised if the board isn't set up for that potential to get additional picks or as their primary focus. The only danger i see would be Chuckles the clown Jerry J. stealing the trade partner. He seems to one up us almost yearly. Mr. Bastaldo seems to like picking Ozzie's pockets.

Edited January 29, 2016 by thieverycorporation

[steelcityraven]

For what our needs are... I am not sure that I see the benefit of trading back unless someone made us a crazy deal.... like a little later in the first plus a 2nd or 3rd rounder???? There are 3 CBs who can come in and play...(possibly 4). Ramsey, MAlexander, VHargravesIII and I really think Fuller could! I am not sold on Eli Apple but I do really like MCanaday and Dioendre Hall out of N. Iowa (in later rounds)...Artie Burns out of Miami Is intriguing as is Redmond out of Miss State (but his injuries scare me a little). IDK I think Ramsey and Alexander are super stars... Hargraves is solid maybe not as dynamic... if we cannot get one of the big 2 then there are enough solid CBs to consider moving (if someone made a good enough offer)!

[sami]

everyone is saying Jalen Ramsey is just what we need. A play-maker in the secondary. Our biggest problem in the secondary is no one can get an interception. Ramsey has only 4 picks in 3 yrs. Doesn't sound like he will help the secondary much in the take-away stats.

[BmoreBird22]

1 hour ago, fusuymada said:

Ozzie has a way of fooling people when he has these picks. During the Flacco/Rice draft they moved out and then moved back up to get them both. Same with Ogden and R Lewis. 

They didn't move around at all in this (1996) draft...

[BmoreBird22]

14 minutes ago, sami said:

everyone is saying Jalen Ramsey is just what we need. A play-maker in the secondary. Our biggest problem in the secondary is no one can get an interception. Ramsey has only 4 picks in 3 yrs. Doesn't sound like he will help the secondary much in the take-away stats.

He gets his hands on quite a few passes, but it seems he just can't bring them in. Almost an FCU problem when you consider that Brooks had the same issue in college. Hell, even Ronald Darby only had two despite 24 pass deflections.

[law215]

No. Ravens Need a CB,S, Pass rusher, Wr , and maybe even OT. Although I think they will look to get OT and Wr through cuts or mid rounds since Monroe is under contract and Perriman was 1st pick last year. At that spot the best player at one of those positions will be available. If Ravens trust their evaluation process, then take a playmaker at that spot. They can always use day two to trade down for move picks.

[Crusader]

The only thing Ozzie fooled was himself into was a 5-11 season. Trade up or trade down does not matter this team will finish in third place with maybe at best 8-8 season. Draft picks take a full year in the NFL to even make any difference and that's if they don't pick another 2013 draft class.

[jravens13]

So much elite talent at the top of this Draft. If we have the opportunity to draft Tunsil, Bosa, Ramsey, Mack, or Jaylon Smith, how could we possibly trade back? If we really want to draft a corner Round 1 and pass up on those guys, that would be the only thing that makes any sense. I could see us moving back to 10th-13th and drafting a CB there.

[jravens13]

  1 hour ago, fusuymada said:

Ozzie has a way of fooling people when he has these picks. During the Flacco/Rice draft they moved out and then moved back up to get them both. Same with Ogden and R Lewis. 

They didn't move around at all in this (1996) draft...

I like the 1996 results more...

[stixfix69]

I'm a Cyrus Jones fan, heck of a KR/PR guy as well....The WR from Ohio State is a stud as well....The DT from Ole'Miss would have been very tempting if he didn't get so stoned and fall from a 4 story balcony...Henry would be a heck of a back to snag as well...so many solid players that could be picked in the top 10....And Oz always had a way of trading out in the first because we always picked at the bottom of the draft, this has been uncharted waters for a long time....

[ibrahim9416]

It would be nice if we get Ramsey with the 1st rounder and Braxton Miller or a pass rusher with the 2nd round pick.

[HomeoftheBRAVENS]

2 hours ago, balfan23 said:

I definitely understand the sentiment, but we still will have to see how things fall based on the first 5 selections and see just how far back we'd go in a trade vs. what is being offered in return. Let's say we have listed 5 guys who we feel are can't miss and all 5 are selected in front of us. We see the next 6 guys as all being somewhat equal and that we'd be happy with any one of them, then it would make sense to trade back a few slots, knowing we'll get one of those guys in that tier and potentially get some significant draft ammo in return.  

Good point!The reason I'm not thinking that way though is because barring a trade,we pretty much know who the top 4 picks will be and I know who I'd like for us to draft with the sixth pick.For some reason,alot of people have us taking a Tackle,but I'm all but certain that Laquan Treadwell will be there for us at six and in my opinion it's a no brainer pick.So you're absolutely right that the teams draft board could be different than mine,but I'm judging based off my own opinion of the top ten players and how I view the team and the way it's built at the moment.

[hen826957]

Joey Bosa and Ramsey has to be the two guys Ozzie really wants. I wish we could get both :-). Trading back would be a big mistake unless it stays in the top 10. If they traded back to the 20th pick then it's a horrible mistake and idiotic. Take the best talent at number 6.

[PalmBayRaven]

We need to stay at #6. We have enough draft picks and that is assuming we pick well this draft. Only CJ has been worthy of our #1 the last few years. Sorry, Elam was a bust. Perriman did not play and he remains to be seen. Having lots of compensatory picks hasn't helped either because look at where we are now, picking #6 cause we sucked a good portion of season. Not the drinking the kool-aid anymore.

[omar586]

i think we will end up trading down to the 7-12 spots range, there isn't any pass rushers worth taking here at 6, i can c ozzie moving down a bit.

[whobilly]

If Ramsey is not there at 6 I agree with Omar586, trade down a little and pick up another pick along with it.

[mearzunkies]

We need to stay at #6. We have enough draft picks and that is assuming we pick well this draft. Only CJ has been worthy of our #1 the last few years. Sorry, Elam was a bust. Perriman did not play and he remains to be seen. Having lots of compensatory picks hasn't helped either because look at where we are now, picking #6 cause we sucked a good portion of season. Not the drinking the kool-aid anymore.

I agree stay and pick Ramsey!

[jravens13]

We need to stay at #6. We have enough draft picks and that is assuming we pick well this draft. Only CJ has been worthy of our #1 the last few years. Sorry, Elam was a bust. Perriman did not play and he remains to be seen. Having lots of compensatory picks hasn't helped either because look at where we are now, picking #6 cause we sucked a good portion of season. Not the drinking the kool-aid anymore.

CJ hasn't even proven that he is worth a 1st Round pick yet either.

[tbird]

Stay put. We should have a top 10 pick again in 2017 judging by how far we have fallen behind the talent of other division rivals.

[ALPHA]

8 hours ago, HomeoftheBRAVENS said:

The ravens can't afford to trade back.We're picking at number six for a reason.We need the type of talent you can only find in the top six spots of the draft.

The top 10 picks over the last 5 years have been terrible except for 2011, maybe one or two each year has provided an immediate upgrade and/or lived up to draft position. 

[Rasenshuriken84]

  8 hours ago, PalmBayRaven said:

We need to stay at #6. We have enough draft picks and that is assuming we pick well this draft. Only CJ has been worthy of our #1 the last few years. Sorry, Elam was a bust. Perriman did not play and he remains to be seen. Having lots of compensatory picks hasn't helped either because look at where we are now, picking #6 cause we sucked a good portion of season. Not the drinking the kool-aid anymore.

CJ hasn't even proven that he is worth a 1st Round pick yet either.

lol really? rookie pro bowl, second in DRoY (which he should of won), 1st on the team on tackles his rookie year and 2nd on the team this year if i remember right, he was tied for the team lead in INT's his rookie year.

i can totally see where you think he didn't deserve that first round pick *ends sarcasm*