2016 Forum Mock: Announcement/Discussion Thread

[rmw10]

1 minute ago, allblackraven said:

Can ERFAs be signed at any point before deadline once the game starts?

They'll fall under the RFA and franchise tag deadlines.  If they aren't signed by then, to the FA pool they go.

[PaRAYdise]

So 2 more hours til Dubs actually has a choice?

 

[allblackraven]

4 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

They'll fall under the RFA and franchise tag deadlines.  If they aren't signed by then, to the FA pool they go.

Thanks. One more - say I have a RFA who was drafted in 2nd round. Can I use original round tender on him so it costs me 1.5 stars instead of tendering 2nd round straight up? In other words I save 1 star on that tender but if other team makes an offer, I still get the 2nd round pick?

[Inqui]

Does @Winchester know he's up?

[rmw10]

2 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

Thanks. One more - say I have a RFA who was drafted in 2nd round. Can I use original round tender on him so it costs me 1.5 stars instead of tendering 2nd round straight up? In other words I save 1 star on that tender but if other team makes an offer, I still get the 2nd round pick?

That's an interesting one.  I have no idea how that works, but I'd assume you could use the original round?  Anyone else want to chime in?

[allblackraven]

2 minutes ago, rmw10 said:

That's an interesting one.  I have no idea how that works, but I'd assume you could use the original round?  Anyone else want to chime in?

I don't think this should be possible - potentially team could keep 1st rounder for just 1.5 stars the same way. If I tender 'original' on 2nd rounder, it really should mean that the cost for me is 2nd round contract, ie 2.5 stars.

[rmw10]

6 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

I don't think this should be possible - potentially team could keep 1st rounder for just 1.5 stars the same way. If I tender 'original' on 2nd rounder, it really should mean that the cost for me is 2nd round contract, ie 2.5 stars.

Yeah it's a tough one.  Not many 1st and 2nd rounders are ever actually RFAs so I don't know if there is a definite answer out there.

[52520Andrew]

21 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

I don't think this should be possible - potentially team could keep 1st rounder for just 1.5 stars the same way. If I tender 'original' on 2nd rounder, it really should mean that the cost for me is 2nd round contract, ie 2.5 stars.

First rounders are never RFAs, they get 4 year deals 99.99999 percent of the time.

[allblackraven]

9 minutes ago, 52520Andrew said:

First rounders are never RFAs, they get 4 year deals 99.99999 percent of the time.

Johny Football might become one if there's a team crazy enough to sign him.

[GrimCoconut]

30 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

I don't think this should be possible - potentially team could keep 1st rounder for just 1.5 stars the same way. If I tender 'original' on 2nd rounder, it really should mean that the cost for me is 2nd round contract, ie 2.5 stars.

Pretty sure the original round tender compensates you for the original round in which that player was drafted, whether they're first round picks or second round picks. All restricted free agents have the RoFR since any club can match an offer on its RFA from another team. 

[Mt. Crushmore]

47 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

Thanks. One more - say I have a RFA who was drafted in 2nd round. Can I use original round tender on him so it costs me 1.5 stars instead of tendering 2nd round straight up? In other words I save 1 star on that tender but if other team makes an offer, I still get the 2nd round pick?

Nope. Can't do original round for a 1st or 2nd rd player. That'd be gaming the system 

[allblackraven]

1 minute ago, GrimCoconut said:

Pretty sure the original round tender compensates you for the original round in which that player was drafted, whether they're first round picks or second round picks. All restricted free agents have the RoFR since any club can match an offer on its RFA from another team. 

Yep, that part is pretty clear I think but the question is does it cost me the amount for that original round (2nd in this case) or just 1.5 stars as per "original round tender @ 1.5 stars" Forum Mock rules?

[allblackraven]

1 minute ago, Mt. Crushmore said:

Nope. Can't do original round for a 1st or 2nd rd player. That'd be gaming the system 

OK, thanks.

[Inqui]

Just now, Mt. Crushmore said:

Nope. Can't do original round for a 1st or 2nd rd player. That'd be gaming the system 

That's pretty harsh. If you see his reply a few posts up he said that shouldn't be possible. It's just a really weird but insanely rare loophole that could stand to be closed.

Edited February 5, 2016 by Inqui

[Mt. Crushmore]

2 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

OK, thanks.

Yeah, rarely an instance where it occurs, but it's not allowed for obvious reasons.

[GrimCoconut]

2 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

Yep, that part is pretty clear I think but the question is does it cost me the amount for that original round (2nd in this case) or just 1.5 stars as per "original round tender @ 1.5 stars" Forum Mock rules?

The original round tender has a specific price so it wouldn't be a first or second round tender because those tenders are designed to add draft compensation where the original round tender wasn't commensurate. 

[Mt. Crushmore]

Will @Dubs or @52520Andrew be ready at skip time to make Dubs' selection? It is just under 2 hours until skip.

Edited February 5, 2016 by Mt. Crushmore

[GrimCoconut]

8 minutes ago, Mt. Crushmore said:

Nope. Can't do original round for a 1st or 2nd rd player. That'd be gaming the system 

Do you have proof you can't? If you don't have proof then you're no authority on such a decision. Show me the NFL rule stating an RFA who was originally a 1st or 2nd round pick required the corresponding tenders over the original round tender. I'll wait.

[Dubs]

I am ready whenever--when is the exact time I can swoop in for my choice?

[allblackraven]

16 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

The original round tender has a specific price so it wouldn't be a first or second round tender because those tenders are designed to add draft compensation where the original round tender wasn't commensurate. 

That actually makes sense since the bidding team gets the player cheaper, too.

[52520Andrew]

9 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

Do you have proof you can't? If you don't have proof then you're no authority on such a decision. Show me the NFL rule stating an RFA who was originally a 1st or 2nd round pick required the corresponding tenders over the original round tender. I'll wait.

I saw something back from 2010 where it said if you use a 2nd round tender on someone, you would get a 3rd rounder if you put an original round tender on a different player who was drafted in the second round. 

http://www.scout.com/nfl/vikings/story/951033-vikings-offer-tenders-nfl-clarifies-rule

Here is what the old CBA said on this from here

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/03/03/vikings-tender-tarvaris-at-third-round-level/

The relevant language in the Collective-Bargaining Agreement reads, “Notwithstanding Subsections 2(b)(i) and 2(b)(ii) above, in the event that a Prior Club tenders any of its Restricted Free Agents originally selected in a draft round lower than the second round a Qualifying Offer that requires Draft Choice Compensation of one second round selection (the “(c)(ii) Upgraded Tender”), the Prior Club shall only be eligible to receive Draft Choice Compensation of one third round selection for any of its Restricted Free Agents originally selected in the second round of the Draft, unless such Restricted Free Agents have each received a Qualifying Offer of at least the amount of the (c)(ii)Upgraded Tender.”

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Granted this is the old CBA, would be an interesting question for BmoreRavor

[Mt. Crushmore]

15 minutes ago, Dubs said:

I am ready whenever--when is the exact time I can swoop in for my choice?

9:30 central time. So, 10:30 EST.

Edited February 5, 2016 by Mt. Crushmore

[GrimCoconut]

5 minutes ago, 52520Andrew said:

I saw something back from 2010 where it said if you use a 2nd round tender on someone, you would get a 3rd rounder if you put an original round tender on a different player who was drafted in the second round. 

http://www.scout.com/nfl/vikings/story/951033-vikings-offer-tenders-nfl-clarifies-rule

Here is what the old CBA said on this from here

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/03/03/vikings-tender-tarvaris-at-third-round-level/

 

I say throw it at him [Ravor] because he's the best person with whom we have access that can possibly answer this. We need the rule book and I don't think many have it, sadly.

[52520Andrew]

16 minutes ago, Dubs said:

I am ready whenever--when is the exact time I can swoop in for my choice?

Or in 80 minutes which is 4800 seconds by the way

[JO_75]

I have been looking online and don't see a set date for when Alex Mack has to opt out of his contract by. So even though it is very likely he will opt out, does he stay on my roster and on my depth chart until the announcement comes of when he officially opts out?

[52520Andrew]

Just now, GrimCoconut said:

I say throw it at him [Ravor] because he's the best person with whom we have access that can possibly answer this. We need the rule book and I don't think many have it, sadly.

Let's give Ozzie a call!

[GrimCoconut]

3 minutes ago, JO_75 said:

I have been looking online and don't see a set date for when Alex Mack has to opt out of his contract by. So even though it is very likely he will opt out, does he stay on my roster and on my depth chart until the announcement comes of when he officially opts out?

I was wondering this as well. I meant to ask for you, good call on asking.

[Mt. Crushmore]

5 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

I say throw it at him [Ravor] because he's the best person with whom we have access that can possibly answer this. We need the rule book and I don't think many have it, sadly.

Probably the best bet. Such a rare case 

4 minutes ago, 52520Andrew said:

Let's give Ozzie a call!

I've got him on speed dial...

Edited February 5, 2016 by Mt. Crushmore

[allblackraven]

4 minutes ago, 52520Andrew said:

Or in 80 minutes which is 4800 seconds by the way

What's the likelihood of Winchester showing up after 4700 seconds to make a pick?

[52520Andrew]

1 minute ago, allblackraven said:

What's the likelihood of Winchester showing up after 4700 seconds to make a pick?

Knowing these boards, pretty likely