What happens with Flaccos contract?

[ALSKAN RAVEN FAN]

What do you guys / gals think happens with Flaccos contract and why?

Edited January 28, 2016 by ALSKAN RAVEN FAN

[DenverRaven]

I'm sure it's tempting for them to sit on the contract this coming season, especially considering the Ravens have more leverage after, but I have a feeling they will get something done soon.

[ALSKAN RAVEN FAN]

1 minute ago, DenverRaven said:

I'm sure it's tempting for them to sit on the contract this coming season, especially considering the Ravens have more leverage after, but I have a feeling they will get something done soon.

That's what I was thinking it would benefit both the Ravens and Joe. It would solidify Joes future as well as give both Joe and the Ravens more pieces to the team / roster playoff puzzle. It kind of comes down to Joes agent and how much hard ball he wants to play.

[rmcjacket23]

I'll caution people on something I personally think is a myth...

The Ravens really don't gain any leverage by waiting in my opinion. Theoretically, the leverage would come from the ability to cut Joe, but that's also not a realistic option. And both Flacco and Linta know this...

[allblackraven]

Will be extended next year if he recovers completely from torn ligaments.

[DenverRaven]

24 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

I'll caution people on something I personally think is a myth...

The Ravens really don't gain any leverage by waiting in my opinion. Theoretically, the leverage would come from the ability to cut Joe, but that's also not a realistic option. And both Flacco and Linta know this...

True, and I doubt they really want to wait anyway. The only rationale I can see behind it would be health issues, and from what we've heard Joe is ahead of schedule. Or, the FO playing games with Linta to drive a bargain (obviously they won't). It would certainly be in everyone's favor to just get it done now.

[ellicottraven]

Just given its experience with Pitta and his repaired hip prior to extension, it makes sense for the Ravens to extra cautious with Joe. It may very well be that they're serious about letting Joe play 2016 on his current contract and see how his repaired ligaments are holding up before making a mega million investment in him by extending him. Hypothetically, if Joe isn't able to produce or play at previous years' ability or in the worst case a similar injury to the same knee happens, they may not want to extend him. However, these are only worst case hypothetical situations and are unlikely to occur. Just trying to put on the devil's advocate hat and see how the Ravens may view the Joe Flacco situation.

[757RavensFan]

One of the options should be, The Ravens extend his contract this year BEFORE free agency. 

If they extend his contract before the draft but after free agency, KO's no longer a Raven. 

[usmccharles]

51 minutes ago, 757RavensFan said:

One of the options should be, The Ravens extend his contract this year BEFORE free agency. 

If they extend his contract before the draft but after free agency, KO's no longer a Raven.

whats the lilehood of them not reaching a deal before FA hits, then the FO deciding to just deal with the cap hit?   obviously limits everything we do in FA.

I cant imgaine the uproar on this forum if a deal isnt made.

[757RavensFan]

3 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

whats the lilehood of them not reaching a deal before FA hits, then the FO deciding to just deal with the cap hit?   obviously limits everything we do in FA.

I cant imgaine the uproar on this forum if a deal isnt made.

 

Hard to say, but if a deal isn't done before FA, the only big name we resign is Tucker. And they'll probably FT Tucker.  

If Joe's deal isn't done by FA we can only hope to hit big on the draft and all of the guys on IR come back fully recovered

contribute big time next season. 

  

[redlobster]

Just ride the cap hits out :-)

Edited January 28, 2016 by redlobster

[rmcjacket23]

12 minutes ago, 757RavensFan said:

 

Hard to say, but if a deal isn't done before FA, the only big name we resign is Tucker. And they'll probably FT Tucker.  

If Joe's deal isn't done by FA we can only hope to hit big on the draft and all of the guys on IR come back fully recovered

contribute big time next season. 

  

Yeah, its hard to tell. There's still a decent number of guys I expect will be cut, and its possible we cut more guys if Joe's deal isn't done by the time FA comes around. Looking at the list of guys I expect to get released and their cap savings:

Pitta: $600K savings pre June-1, $5M post-June 1

Canty: $2.15M

Arrington: $1.4M

Kendrick Lewis: $933K

So you can create $6M in cap space by just cutting those four guys pre-June 1, and then you can consider cutting other guys, like Daryl Smith ($2.625M), Forsett ($2.3M), Zuttah ($1.3M), Levine ($1M).

So you've got the ability to create a little cap space to franchise tag Tucker and maybe sign a cheap veteran or two. In theory, you could sign KO and then cut Monroe, who would save $2.1M, but I agree thats unlikely without a Flacco extension.

When Ozzie says putting a team together under Joe's current number, to me, it basically means we have to cut a couple players (but probably nobody huge or anybody that we can't already replace), we won't be able to sign barely any FAs or retain KO, we retain Tucker, and then basically bank on the draft and health to be better this season.

 

[757RavensFan]

6 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Yeah, its hard to tell. There's still a decent number of guys I expect will be cut, and its possible we cut more guys if Joe's deal isn't done by the time FA comes around. Looking at the list of guys I expect to get released and their cap savings:

Pitta: $600K savings pre June-1, $5M post-June 1

Canty: $2.15M

Arrington: $1.4M

Kendrick Lewis: $933K

So you can create $6M in cap space by just cutting those four guys pre-June 1, and then you can consider cutting other guys, like Daryl Smith ($2.625M), Forsett ($2.3M), Zuttah ($1.3M), Levine ($1M).

So you've got the ability to create a little cap space to franchise tag Tucker and maybe sign a cheap veteran or two. In theory, you could sign KO and then cut Monroe, who would save $2.1M, but I agree thats unlikely without a Flacco extension.

When Ozzie says putting a team together under Joe's current number, to me, it basically means we have to cut a couple players (but probably nobody huge or anybody that we can't already replace), we won't be able to sign barely any FAs or retain KO, we retain Tucker, and then basically bank on the draft and health to be better this season.

 

If the plan is to really cut Pitta, there's really no reason to do it prior to June 1st.  Granted the $600k will help during FA in March but the loss of $4.5M by not waiting for June 1st is a hard pill to swallow.   

[The Mom Gene]

42 minutes ago, 757RavensFan said:

If the plan is to really cut Pitta, there's really no reason to do it prior to June 1st.  Granted the $600k will help during FA in March but the loss of $4.5M by not waiting for June 1st is a hard pill to swallow.   

They'll wait.   He's been nothing but an asset to this team.  Even injured he worked with the TE coach and trainers to help the new guys.  I'd love to see him stay as a coach.

[rmcjacket23]

47 minutes ago, 757RavensFan said:

If the plan is to really cut Pitta, there's really no reason to do it prior to June 1st.  Granted the $600k will help during FA in March but the loss of $4.5M by not waiting for June 1st is a hard pill to swallow.   

Perhaps. I mean the $600K is really nothing, but you don't get access to the $5M in cap savings until after June 1, where most of the quality FAs are certainly signed. Could be beneficial around camp/preseason when cuts are made however.

The downside, though, is that, while he would only count $2.2M against the 2016 cap, he would then count $4.4M against the 2017 cap. So its up to the FO whether they want to have two years of dead money for a player who hasn't played in over three years basically.

May all be moot anyway, because if Pitta decides to retire prior to June 1, the FO won't have a choice how to deal with the cap. But basically, there's no scenario I see where Pitta plays for the Ravens in 2016 or probably ever again. Even if he wants to play and is cleared, there's a zero percent change the Ravens pay him the $5M salary he's owed. 

Only possible scenario there is if they ask Dennis to take a pretty massive paycut, and I doubt that happens.

Edited January 28, 2016 by rmcjacket23

[B-more Ravor]

14 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

 

May all be moot anyway, because if Pitta decides to retire prior to June 1, the FO won't have a choice how to deal with the cap. But basically, there's no scenario I see where Pitta plays for the Ravens in 2016 or probably ever again. Even if he wants to play and is cleared, there's a zero percent change the Ravens pay him the $5M salary he's owed. 

Only possible scenario there is if they ask Dennis to take a pretty massive paycut, and I doubt that happens.

If Pitta does decide to retire prior to June 1, the Ravens could still get post-June 1 treatment by either (1) asking him to wait to make the announcement (as they did with JO) or release him prior to June 1 using the post-June 1 designation. 

So, if they really want post-June 1 treatment for him, they can still pretty easily get it.

 

Edited January 28, 2016 by B-more Ravor

[rmcjacket23]

14 minutes ago, B-more Ravor said:

If Pitta does decide to retire prior to June 1, the Ravens could still get post-June 1 treatment by either (1) asking him to wait to make the announcement (as they did with JO) or release him prior to June 1 using the post-June 1 designation. 

So, if they really want post-June 1 treatment for him, they can still pretty easily get it.

 

Yeah I just assume he wouldn't make that decision prior to June 1 anyway, and I don't expect him to retire anyway. 

[Halshayeji]

16 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Yeah I just assume he wouldn't make that decision prior to June 1 anyway, and I don't expect him to retire anyway. 

 Is it possible that the Ravens release Pitta before June 1 and sign him to the PS? I know it doesn't free up much cap space but at least we don't carry dead cap going into next season where we could really need it. If he's ever cleared to play then we move him to the active squad and deal with it as it goes. I assume that if pitta stays on the PS he still gets the health benefits and uses team facilities etc...

i think its just fair for both sides because who can you blame when a guy shatters his hip twice. 

[B-more Ravor]

5 hours ago, Halshayeji said:

 Is it possible that the Ravens release Pitta before June 1 and sign him to the PS? I know it doesn't free up much cap space but at least we don't carry dead cap going into next season where we could really need it. If he's ever cleared to play then we move him to the active squad and deal with it as it goes. I assume that if pitta stays on the PS he still gets the health benefits and uses team facilities etc...

i think its just fair for both sides because who can you blame when a guy shatters his hip twice. 

Two things:

1.  Once released, the dead money hits, even if they re-sign him later.

2.  Pitta is not eligible for the PS.

[Halshayeji]

1 hour ago, B-more Ravor said:

Two things:

1.  Once released, the dead money hits, even if they re-sign him later.

2.  Pitta is not eligible for the PS.

1- yeah I actually want it to all hit right now so we don't have to deal with it later. It frees up less than a mil this year but next year his 7 mil hit is all off the books.

2- why would he not be eligible for a PS squad?

3- I hate even talking about this because I don't wanna be unfair to pitta but it's been too long and I still want the guy in the building.

 

[Tru11]

47 minutes ago, Halshayeji said:

1- yeah I actually want it to all hit right now so we don't have to deal with it later. It frees up less than a mil this year but next year his 7 mil hit is all off the books.

2- why would he not be eligible for a PS squad?

3- I hate even talking about this because I don't wanna be unfair to pitta but it's been too long and I still want the guy in the building.

 

he has to many accrued seasons if im correctly.

[B-more Ravor]

50 minutes ago, Tru11 said:

he has to many accrued seasons if im correctly.

Yes, way too many!