Has Ozzie lost his touch?

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

On 1/26/2016 at 4:03 PM, PolishRifle said:

Sry, but picking in the 20s consistently for the last 8 years or so should not be an excuse for any good GM (especially a great one). Antonio Brown was picked in round 6. If Oz is great, draft position doesn't matter. There is plenty of great talent to be found past the 1st round.

I remember how we laughed at the Cowboys, when Jerry picked up a Center and we got Elam? Foolish old Jerry.

Saying draft position doesnt matter is a little unfair. It's easy to name Antonio Brown or Tom Brady and say that a great GM should be landing these guys. But for every Brown and Brady there are 1000 prospects picked in those late rounds who never go beyond a couple years on a PS.

Later rounds you're picking on potential, and most guys are boom or bust. But in the early rounds - while good and great prospects can be found in the back end of the round, the guys being picked near the top are being picked there for a reason. Theyre often much more safe... they dont always pan out of course but the likelihood of them becoming starters and contributors is much higher.

I know that's all obvious, but it has to be taken into account. When you're picking at the back of the rounds, yes theres still talent that can be found - but the natural odds of hitting go exponentially down with each round.

Each year, to draft 2-4 guys that contribute immediately and go on to start in their 1st three years is doing an excellent job. And while Oz may not be hitting on future HoFers or perennial pro-bowlers like he used to; he is consistently nailing contributors throughout.

And honestly, when you look at his best picks - the ones he grew his reputation on - they werent late 20's picks. Ogden, Jamal, Flacco, Suggs, Ngata, McAlister, Boulware, Starks, Mosley... all picked higher than 20 and most around the top 10. 

Ray Lewis and Ed Reed are the 2 exceptions... maybe you can throw Heap and Grubbs in there but that only lends itself to Oz still being great bc he's drafted Yanda, KO, Pitta, Gillmore, Maxx, Boyle, Wagner - all guys with the potential and skillset similar to if not better than Heap and Grubbs.

And in 2 years, if Perriman shows to be what I think he can be then it will only further prove that he's still getting it done at a very high level.

 

Show me another GM who consistently picks in the 20's and is drafting better players than Oz on a regular basis. Name the team and the players selected that far trump Ozzies recent track record.

[Tru11]

to who are you comparing him to?

seems to me he is still easily a top 5 GM , so he is not losing his touch.

you are dealing with humans and how they pan out is anybody guess.

there are no sure things.

 

[Tru11]

8 hours ago, HomeoftheBRAVENS said:

Didn't Biscotti say that Decosta has taken over the draft the past few seasons in the season end review?Maybe that's part of the reason why we've had drafts like the 2013 one.On the other hand though,I do think that some of the defensive players we've drafted lately would've turned out better if we had a better DC.If we would've drafted Tyrann Mathieu and the Cardinals drafted Elam,Elam would be a stud right now and Mathieu would look like Elam.Also,CJ Mosley would be playing like Luke Kuechly if we had a better DC.Rex made his guys look like superstars.Mattison took the same group Rex had and had them looking weak.Pagano took the same group Mattison had and turned into a shut down defense the next year.Peas took the same group Pagano had and it's never been the same since.If we can find the next Rex/Pagano our talent will play better.It's not all about the talent that's been drafted and signed.WE HAVE THE TALENT.Peas is just making everyone Ozzie and Decosta bring in look like the wrong move.

seems to me guys like ray and ed made all those DCs look like superstars....

 

[usmccharles]

Since i work nights and most of the time I am on here with nothing to do, i have decided im going to do an investigation on GMs around the league and write up a report comparing some of the GMs.  Now, im not going to do all 32 teams and since Oz has been around for about 20years, its going to be a lot of info.  So i need some opinions on which teams to do and some opinions on the amount of teams, any suggestions for this would be appreciated.

Number of teams?

How many years?

what else to add in?

 

This is how bored i get at work, gotta love government jobs

[The Mom Gene]

On ‎01‎/‎26‎/‎2016 at 11:58 AM, PolishRifle said:

If Matt Elam can't turn things around he's officially a bust, imho. Matt and Terrance Brooks, a 1st round and 3rd round draft pick, were supposed to shore up the safety position. I don't know, if that's much of a gamble and not more of a failure of Ozzie's part to draft the right guys. We did invest alot into our secondary without getting much in return.

So, do you put that on the scouts and GM's?  Or do you hold the coach accountable?  Or can you just say that sometimes (more often than we know), is the person unable to make the transition from college to the NFL....  I'm thinking more the latter.

[Tru11]

3 hours ago, The Mom Gene said:

So, do you put that on the scouts and GM's?  Or do you hold the coach accountable?  Or can you just say that sometimes (more often than we know), is the person unable to make the transition from college to the NFL....  I'm thinking more the latter.

 

ill take the blame lel

[The Mom Gene]

Just now, Tru11 said:

 

ill take the blame lel

[ALSKAN RAVEN FAN]

I honestly don't understand why so many people are coming down hard on Oz. Oz has done his best and this year he gets to pick 6th over all and that is something we have not seen around here that often. It also makes the point that Oz is very skillful at what he does.

[Ravenslifer]

I hate to pick on the Panthers or the Broncos, but lets just take a look at draft position:

Since 2000, the Panthers have picked in the top half of the draft (top 16 picks) 9 times, or just over half of those drafts, including 4 top 10 picks.  The Broncos Have picked in the top half of the draft 6 times.  In that time, the Ravens have had the following picks in the top 16 - Jamal Lewis, Terrrell Suggs, Haloti Ngata.  And I can't put either Flacco (18th) or Mosley (17th) in that list because they are both technically bottom half of the first round picks.  We've pretty much nailed our top pick every time we've drafted high.  Now, with us picking so high this year, IMO this is a serious make or break draft because we should be in position to draft a 10 year starter at whatever position we draft first.  But the bottom line is the Panthers and Broncos were bad for a very long time, and missed big on some players in order to hit on their current stars.

[PolishRifle]

1 hour ago, ALSKAN RAVEN FAN said:

I honestly don't understand why so many people are coming down hard on Oz. Oz has done his best and this year he gets to pick 6th over all and that is something we have not seen around here that often. It also makes the point that Oz is very skillful at what he does.

I don't think people bring Oz up that much, which is why I wanted to get a discussion started about how much our most recent draft classes contributed to our season. Everyone seems to think, that I am campaigning to get Ozzie fired and becomes really defensive.

[Willbacker]

On ‎1‎/‎27‎/‎2016 at 5:53 PM, HomeoftheBRAVENS said:

Didn't Biscotti say that Decosta has taken over the draft the past few seasons in the season end review?Maybe that's part of the reason why we've had drafts like the 2013 one.On the other hand though,I do think that some of the defensive players we've drafted lately would've turned out better if we had a better DC.If we would've drafted Tyrann Mathieu and the Cardinals drafted Elam,Elam would be a stud right now and Mathieu would look like Elam.Also,CJ Mosley would be playing like Luke Kuechly if we had a better DC.Rex made his guys look like superstars.Mattison took the same group Rex had and had them looking weak.Pagano took the same group Mattison had and turned into a shut down defense the next year.Peas took the same group Pagano had and it's never been the same since.If we can find the next Rex/Pagano our talent will play better.It's not all about the talent that's been drafted and signed.WE HAVE THE TALENT.Peas is just making everyone Ozzie and Decosta bring in look like the wrong move.

You're not spelling it right. Its not Peas its Piss. Dean Piss. Btw tho I agree with you. How would guys like Adalius Thomas,Bart Scott and Kelly Gregg do under Pees(actual correct spelling lol)

 

15 hours ago, Tru11 said:

seems to me guys like ray and ed made all those DCs look like superstars....

 

So Mattison was a superstar. Go figger. Yes those 2 made Pees a superstar

 

Ozzie is a great GM. He just cant find receivers lol.

Edited January 28, 2016 by Willbacker

[ALSKAN RAVEN FAN]

11 minutes ago, Willbacker said:

You're not spelling it right. Its not Peas its Piss. Dean Piss. Btw tho I agree with you. How would guys like Adalius Thomas,Bart Scott and Kelly Gregg do under Pees(actual correct spelling lol)

 

So Mattison was a superstar. Go figger. Yes those 2 made Pees a superstar

 

Ozzie is a great GM. He just cant find receivers lol.

That's one position Oz has definitely had a hard time with.

With the exception of T. Smith and now hopefully Perriman it has definitely been a weakness.

[Tru11]

11 minutes ago, Willbacker said:

You're not spelling it right. Its not Peas its Piss. Dean Piss. Btw tho I agree with you. How would guys like Adalius Thomas,Bart Scott and Kelly Gregg do under Pees(actual correct spelling lol)

 

So Mattison was a superstar. Go figger. Yes those 2 made Pees a superstar

 

Ozzie is a great GM. He just cant find receivers lol.

they where a top 3 defense under mattison...
won a SB with pees.

pretty sure there where others DCs before rex and pagano as well.
either you where not a fan back then or you left there names out for a reason......

[BmoreBird22]

On 1/26/2016 at 0:10 PM, PolishRifle said:

I'd give Brooks some time, still. Just because he's new to this league, but I am done with Elam, also. Will Hill is the only bright spot in our secondary last season (I hope we hold on to him). I hope Jimmy will come back strong next year. But yeah, we invested alot into that unit and got nothing in return.

Will Hill dropped off in a major way as the season progressed...

[BmoreBird22]

On 1/27/2016 at 5:53 PM, HomeoftheBRAVENS said:

Rex made his guys look like superstars.Mattison took the same group Rex had and had them looking weak.Pagano took the same group Mattison had and turned into a shut down defense the next year.Peas took the same group Pagano had and it's never been the same since.If we can find the next Rex/Pagano our talent will play better.It's not all about the talent that's been drafted and signed.WE HAVE THE TALENT.Peas is just making everyone Ozzie and Decosta bring in look like the wrong move.

If you can't see an inherent difference between the 2012 and 2011 defense, there's a real issue here.

[Willbacker]

1 hour ago, Tru11 said:

they where a top 3 defense under mattison...
won a SB with pees.

pretty sure there where others DCs before rex and pagano as well.
either you where not a fan back then or you left there names out for a reason......

That's why Ive never been real big on stats. Can be misleading. With Mattison and Pees I just never had the confidence we're gonna get that critical stop while I did with guys like Ryan,Pagano,Nolan and Marvin.

Tbh I've always believed Ray audibled on that SB stop.

 

 

 

 

[Tru11]

5 hours ago, Willbacker said:

That's why Ive never been real big on stats. Can be misleading. With Mattison and Pees I just never had the confidence we're gonna get that critical stop while I did with guys like Ryan,Pagano,Nolan and Marvin.

Tbh I've always believed Ray audibled on that SB stop.

 

 

 

 

ofcourse you do.

anything to discredit pees.

lets just ignore that Ray himself said upshaw was doing the play calling and adjustments during the play offs....

 

Edited January 29, 2016 by Tru11

[Willbacker]

10 hours ago, Tru11 said:

ofcourse you do.

anything to discredit pees.

lets just ignore that Ray himself said upshaw was doing the play calling and adjustments during the play offs....

 

Really don't want to drag this out. We're just gonna have our different opinions on this but when it was 1st and goal in the SB how confident was you we was gonna get that stop. We were lucky they stupidly started calling bad plays. And with the Pees D how confident are you we gonna stop the opposing team when we need too compared to past defenses we had. Lets say we take a 4 pt lead with 1:45 left and the other team has one timeout you confident. I know I used to be. Not now.

 

The important stats are how well we do on 3rd downs,the 4th qtr,under 2 min,turnovers and QB pressures(throwing under duress and sacks combined). I do want to make a point that I don't think Pees is horrible but mediocre and he's had 4 yrs but if mediocre is ok.....

 

And if its lack of talent then Polish Rifle is right.

[thieverycorporation]

Ozzie misses picks period. The organization tips its hand during the draft process and has made some ill advised moves in many area's. Because you draft at a certain position suggest you should be more adapt at producing more efficiency in the draft and FA. Some questionable signing also most be considered. Massive amounts of dead money for a team that drafts in the low end of the round is a decent trade off but really they shouldn't be happening at all. Refusing to acquire draft able players with a little baggage before joining your ranks doesn't work well either. Draft strategy of we waited to long doesn't work when you say, "He got taken just before our pick. I think it would be extremely fulfilling to the fans if he'd make a splash here and there and not always be so tight up against the cap yearly. Hanging onto players that don't contribute in the early stages of the careers should be given a window to contribute and it should based on production amount of injuries sustained in that window and once exceeded placed on the practice squad, traded, waived or cut. If your out there practicing with multiple absences . Giving recently injured with obvious possible limitations going forward a huge contract, holding to players too long, not maneuvering in the draft for premium players also hurts your chances. Self Scouting themselves honestly is what I'm Hoping they did down during their meeting in FL. There are several  high profile players that were left on the board where we picked and it was a no-brainer to select the player in free agency and especially the draft. Out of the 10 pro ported draft picks he has 7 would be used and three would be traded if possible to acquire the draft picks we covet. Moving back would help but it wouldn't be required. The projects of long term (Meaning 2/3 years is trimmed from start. The Roster would be purged of those who failed to see the field due to performance deficiencies or poor statistics. 

[Wildabeast88]

3 hours ago, thieverycorporation said:

Ozzie misses picks period. The organization tips its hand during the draft process and has made some ill advised moves in many area's. Because you draft at a certain position suggest you should be more adapt at producing more efficiency in the draft and FA. Some questionable signing also most be considered. Massive amounts of dead money for a team that drafts in the low end of the round is a decent trade off but really they shouldn't be happening at all. Refusing to acquire draft able players with a little baggage before joining your ranks doesn't work well either. Draft strategy of we waited to long doesn't work when you say, "He got taken just before our pick. I think it would be extremely fulfilling to the fans if he'd make a splash here and there and not always be so tight up against the cap yearly. Hanging onto players that don't contribute in the early stages of the careers should be given a window to contribute and it should based on production amount of injuries sustained in that window and once exceeded placed on the practice squad, traded, waived or cut. If your out there practicing with multiple absences . Giving recently injured with obvious possible limitations going forward a huge contract, holding to players too long, not maneuvering in the draft for premium players also hurts your chances. Self Scouting themselves honestly is what I'm Hoping they did down during their meeting in FL. There are several  high profile players that were left on the board where we picked and it was a no-brainer to select the player in free agency and especially the draft. Out of the 10 pro ported draft picks he has 7 would be used and three would be traded if possible to acquire the draft picks we covet. Moving back would help but it wouldn't be required. The projects of long term (Meaning 2/3 years is trimmed from start. The Roster would be purged of those who failed to see the field due to performance deficiencies or poor statistics. 

Every GM misses picks period I will take my chances with Ozzie all day I wasn't happy with the 12 13 drafts but on paper Elam and Brown looked good it just didn't work. But the 14 draft we got contributions from every pick most teams latter picks don't make the roster much less play. I know this year looked bad with Perriman being out but when you draft at the end of rounds every year it's not easy. When Oz drafts at the top we nail The picks 

[Tru11]

18 hours ago, Willbacker said:

Really don't want to drag this out. We're just gonna have our different opinions on this but when it was 1st and goal in the SB how confident was you we was gonna get that stop. We were lucky they stupidly started calling bad plays. And with the Pees D how confident are you we gonna stop the opposing team when we need too compared to past defenses we had. Lets say we take a 4 pt lead with 1:45 left and the other team has one timeout you confident. I know I used to be. Not now.

 

The important stats are how well we do on 3rd downs,the 4th qtr,under 2 min,turnovers and QB pressures(throwing under duress and sacks combined). I do want to make a point that I don't think Pees is horrible but mediocre and he's had 4 yrs but if mediocre is ok.....

 

And if its lack of talent then Polish Rifle is right.

yawn.

you just cant see the bigger picture can you?

the ravens defense does lack talent compared to our earlier seasons.

not that hard to figure out since we have no ray lewis or ed reed anymore and both where past their prime when pees became the DC.
both are the best player ever at their position so its pretty much impossible to find players that can match what they brought.
that fact alone will give any defense we have in the future to be of a lesser talent.

thrown in guys like ngata and suggs who both might make the HOF and well yeah its really not that hard to say we have a lack of talent compared to them.

expecting our current group of players to stack up to those guys is just silly and not fair tbh.

then also consider that ozzie used to build everything around the defense in those days but now has been spending more and more on the offense and you can see why there has been a shift.

we used to have a great defense with a mediocre offense back then.

now we have a good offense and an avg to above avg defense.

if you want to have the great defense back then stop crying about weapons and investments on the offense and beg ozzie to once again start investing everything in defense like he used......

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Willbacker]

4 hours ago, Tru11 said:

yawn.

you just cant see the bigger picture can you?

the ravens defense does lack talent compared to our earlier seasons.

not that hard to figure out since we have no ray lewis or ed reed anymore and both where past their prime when pees became the DC.
both are the best player ever at their position so its pretty much impossible to find players that can match what they brought.
that fact alone will give any defense we have in the future to be of a lesser talent.

thrown in guys like ngata and suggs who both might make the HOF and well yeah its really not that hard to say we have a lack of talent compared to them.

expecting our current group of players to stack up to those guys is just silly and not fair tbh.

then also consider that ozzie used to build everything around the defense in those days but now has been spending more and more on the offense and you can see why there has been a shift.

we used to have a great defense with a mediocre offense back then.

now we have a good offense and an avg to above avg defense.

if you want to have the great defense back then stop crying about weapons and investments on the offense and beg ozzie to once again start investing everything in defense like he used......

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

When have I ever said anything bout investments on offense. I've always been a defensive guy.

2015- 3rd and 4th rd

2014- 1st thru 4th

2013- 1st thru 4th.

From 2010 thru 2014 our 1st pick was defense. That's 5 yrs bro. That's 13 players right there. Top picks. Nah I don't call that investing. lol. Pees runs a different style of defense than his predeceesors so maybe Ozzie is not buying him the groceries that he needs to succeed which again is the point of this thread. Is he bringing in bad players? Is he losing his touch? Ozzie has a  certain thought about what he's looking for in defensive players and right now Pees is not bringing the best out of them.

Average is not good enough man plus you avoided the question about whether you confidant if we making that stop or not and I even cut a break with the 4 pt lead. Forget about a 2 pt lead. Coachspeak at its finest.

Also always bringing Ed and Ray. Would they have been as successful on other teams with different DC's? They may have been good to great but they might not be the icons they are now. I feel the same about Brady too. What if he would have been a Jet? lololol

 

 

[HoldingCall]

Has Ozzie lost his touch? I don't think so. As seen this past season with Dumervil,  and even J. Reid, and M. Oher, most performance depends on  how one fits into a team's system; who plays beside (with) him; and whether he is being (successfully) coached and used to his strengths.

On drafting: Moving up or down the draft board is a gamble too, as no one can predict how talent will translate from college to a particular team (I used the words "particular team" because a young player can fail with one team but succeed with another). In some cases, the team where a drafted player lands has some to do with the amount of success, or not.

On FAs: Not having cap space mostly controls (affects) this area and the personnel the team gets. But looking at the team secondary problems early on, we see an adjustment in player position was needed before success was found later, which leads back to the sentence on Dumervil, Reid and Oher.

On hits and misses: It's going to happen! In my opinion the team hit on the selection at GM, assistant GM, Coach, and many players. Oh, and the owner too. I will never expect them to no make mistakes, it happens.

[Winchester]

On 1/26/2016 at 11:30 AM, PolishRifle said:

Alot of people complain about Pees, Harbs, Trestman or Flacco, but what team has Baltimore surrounded our coaching staff and our franchise QB with? If you look at the teams, that went to the Superbowl, you see alot of great picks in the draft (Panthers) and alot of activity in FA (Broncos). Ever since we lost of our keyplayers to retirement after the 2012 season, we didn't draft many difference makers outside of CJ Mosley. Instead we still rely on veteran players to carry the team. Well, we got to see what happens, when we lose Sizzle and Joe. It didn't look good.

Should we start to hold Oz accountable for drafting alot of solid, but not great players  and not making enough splash moves in FA? I love Ozzie and he has been a great GM, but hasn't he lived off past reputation in the last couple years?

I'm in alot of trouble right now, I know, but I feel like this topic is worth discussing.

Ozzie is a moron. He took credit when he was surrounded by a good staff. You are correct!! What impact talent has he drafted in last 5 drafts?? Ozzie is a HOMERS ICON!! He could run the team into the cellar and the typical homers will kneel down before him and defend his every terrible move. Every last bust and terrible signing will get excused cuz he has been hyped up by the media for political reasons.

[cobrajet]

I like Ozzie but......

Maybe it is me, but I have not been a fan of moving down the draft board in the early rounds. I am a fan of moving up. I would rather give up some later round picks and move up spots to grab a more talented player than pass over good players by moving down to gain more picks. I like quality over quantity when it comes to draft picks. I don't mind moving down if a team is willing to give up something we just can not pass up, but that usually only happens with players at the very top of the draft that several teams are willing to fight over and our seasons have not been that horrible. Over the past several years, it seems Ozzie is a lot more willing to move down the board than up the board unless it is in the later rounds. If Ramsey is still on the board at #6 and Ozzie trades down - it damn well better be for something I can get VERY excited about!

[Winchester]

13 minutes ago, cobrajet said:

I like Ozzie but......

Maybe it is me, but I have not been a fan of moving down the draft board in the early rounds. I am a fan of moving up. I would rather give up some later round picks and move up spots to grab a more talented player than pass over good players by moving down to gain more picks. I like quality over quantity when it comes to draft picks. I don't mind moving down if a team is willing to give up something we just can not pass up, but that usually only happens with players at the very top of the draft that several teams are willing to fight over and our seasons have not been that horrible. Over the past several years, it seems Ozzie is a lot more willing to move down the board than up the board unless it is in the later rounds. If Ramsey is still on the board at #6 and Ozzie trades down - it damn well better be for something I can get VERY excited about!

His last trade down costed Harrison Smith!! And yet nobody notices Ozzie made the worst move of the draft!! And ended up with Scrubshaw. His trade ups for Pierce and Brown were terrible. It was actually a feeble attempt to trade up for Sanu. The ravens have drafted some OLine steals like KO, Wagner,JENSEN and Urschel. Jensen is as good as early draft picks Zeitler and Cooper. Urschel will be a top6 center. Wagner when not banged up is the best right tackle in the league. And KO is a top5 OLine talent at tackle or guard. But that is somebody within that knows OLine talent!!

[RaineV1]

1 hour ago, Winchester said:

Ozzie is a moron. He took credit when he was surrounded by a good staff. You are correct!! What impact talent has he drafted in last 5 drafts?? Ozzie is a HOMERS ICON!! He could run the team into the cellar and the typical homers will kneel down before him and defend his every terrible move. Every last bust and terrible signing will get excused cuz he has been hyped up by the media for political reasons.

Last 5 you say? Alright, fine. Let's look at the last five drafts.

2011 draft: Jimmy Smith, Torrey Smith, McPhee,

2012: Osemele,

2013: Brandon Williams, Ricky Wagner

2014: CJ Mosley, Timmy Jernigan, Crocket Gilmore (he had a huge impact on the running game), John Urschel (started in playoff games and did very well)

2015: Za'Darius Smith (3rd in sacks among rookiers), Buck Allen. We'll see what becomes of Perriman and Williams.

This is a hell of a lot better than most teams have done over that span. But no, I'm sure you're right. The GM to a team that consistently goes to the playoffs and has overseen two Superbowl winning teams is obviously a moron.

Edited January 30, 2016 by RaineV1

[Winchester]

2 minutes ago, RaineV1 said:

Last 5 you say? Alright, fine. Let's look at the last five drafts.

2011 draft: Jimmy Smith, Torrey Smith, McPhee,

2012: Osemele,

2013: Brandon Williams, Ricky Wagner

2014: CJ Mosley, Timmy Jernigan, Crocket Gilmore (he had a huge impact on the running game), John Urschel (started in playoff games and did very well)

2015: Za'Darius Smith (3rd in sacks among rookiers), Buck Allen. We'll see what becomes of Perriman and Williams.

This is a hell of a lot better than most teams have done over that span.

Impact playmakers were the the topic. Jimmy is erratic and Torrey was a one trick speed receiver. Not Impact playmakers. Like #1 receiver or sack artists or probowl dbacks. And could lose KO(best pick in that span) cuz of the bad signings. Every team picks serviceable players. The Superbowl contenders pick impact game changers. None in last 5 drafts

[Tru11]

4 hours ago, Willbacker said:

When have I ever said anything bout investments on offense. I've always been a defensive guy.

2015- 3rd and 4th rd

2014- 1st thru 4th

2013- 1st thru 4th.

From 2010 thru 2014 our 1st pick was defense. That's 5 yrs bro. That's 13 players right there. Top picks. Nah I don't call that investing. lol. Pees runs a different style of defense than his predeceesors so maybe Ozzie is not buying him the groceries that he needs to succeed which again is the point of this thread. Is he bringing in bad players? Is he losing his touch? Ozzie has a  certain thought about what he's looking for in defensive players and right now Pees is not bringing the best out of them.

Average is not good enough man plus you avoided the question about whether you confidant if we making that stop or not and I even cut a break with the 4 pt lead. Forget about a 2 pt lead. Coachspeak at its finest.

Also always bringing Ed and Ray. Would they have been as successful on other teams with different DC's? They may have been good to great but they might not be the icons they are now. I feel the same about Brady too. What if he would have been a Jet? lololol

 

 

weight those picks against the players we lost and then come back and tell me we gained more talent then we lost in that time span.
you also keep forgetting their is a salary cap which pretty much limits what ozzie can do.
avg is not good but given our situation avg is what we could afford looking at guys like kendrick lewis and arrington for instance.

also are you serious?
Ed and especially ray has seen many DCs come and go and have been successful regardless.

btw to comeback to your question.

im actually quite confident in Pees making the correct play calls in those situations.
if there is 1 thing im not confident in its the players execution in pressure situations and the teams management of the clock.

 

 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

3 hours ago, Winchester said:

Ozzie is a moron. He took credit when he was surrounded by a good staff. You are correct!! What impact talent has he drafted in last 5 drafts?? Ozzie is a HOMERS ICON!! He could run the team into the cellar and the typical homers will kneel down before him and defend his every terrible move. Every last bust and terrible signing will get excused cuz he has been hyped up by the media for political reasons.

Impact signings: Anquan Boldin, Steve Smith, Elvis Dumervil, Justin Forsett, Daryl Smith, Corey Graham, Josh Wilson, Jacoby Jones, Vonta Leach, Will Hill, Chris Canty, Owen Daniels, Eugene Monroe, Bryant McKinnie, Jeremy Zuttah, Bobby Williams (G/C I think that was his name) Darian Stewartetc...

 

Impact picks:

Jimmy Smith, CJ Mosely, Brandon Williams, Pernell McPhee, KO, John Urschel, Rick Wagner, Timmy Jernigan, Dennis Pitta, Crockett Gilmore, Maxx Williams, Nick Boyle, Kyle Juzcyk, Buck Allen, Carl David, Zadarius Smith, Art Jones, Torrey Smith, Justin Tucker, Taliaferro, Tyrod Taylor, etc...

 

I'm sure I missed a couple. 2-3 impact FA's every offseason and 3-4 contributing players with about 8 that have played at a pro bowl level by my estimation. 

Garbage. 

 

Especially when picking at the back end of every round and strapped with limited to no cap space. How could someone do so poorly?