Tyrod Pro Bowl = Comp Pick? (Merged)

[Jon_21]

Does Tyrod making the Pro Bowl (even as an alternate/substitute) help our case with getting a comp pick?

Are these types of awards weighted heavily enough to trump his low base salary?

Would be nice to pickup a 7th at the end to lock someone in for a contract before the undrafted FA madness.

[rmw10]

I'd think it could help of course, but I don't know how much, if any, being an alternate factors in.  Andy Dalton made it last year as a 7th alternate because of all of the other injuries and guys turning the spot down.  I don't think that really says much about his play, and I don't know how the comp pick gods factor that in.

[Cillmatic]

HE MADE THE PRO BOWL?!?!!

[ellicottraven]

It's time our own Joe Flacco made the probowl consistently every year from here on out! Depressing that he's not made it yet and the year he was an alternate, he couldn't go because of the birth of a child.

 

As for us getting a comp pick because Tyrod made it to the pro-bowl, I am unsure if it factors in. I was under the notion that comp picks are dirctly related to playing time and salary compensation.

Edited January 25, 2016 by ellicottraven

[thieverycorporation]

It's foregone conclusion that he does not constitute as a comp. His Base yearly salary doesn't allow for a comp pick being to low. Looking @ 2 fourths and a 5th or sixth. Postion and stats don't have the sole factors it most reach a monetary threshold as well.

[rmw10]

It's time our own Joe Flacco made the probowl consistently every year from here on out! Depressing that he's not made it yet and the year he was an alternate, he couldn't go because of the birth of a child.

 

As for us getting a comp pick because Tyrod made it to the pro-bowl, I am unsure if it factors in. I was under the notion that comp picks are dirctly related to playing time and salary compensation.

 

Accolades factor in as well.  Pro Bowls, All Pro, helping your team to the playoffs, etc.

 

I'm just not sure if this will make a difference because of how watered down the Pro Bowl is nowadays.  So many guys miss because of the Super Bowl and "injuries" that some mid tier players are now finding their way in.

[RavensFanMania]

Accolades factor in as well.  Pro Bowls, All Pro, helping your team to the playoffs, etc.

 

I'm just not sure if this will make a difference because of how watered down the Pro Bowl is nowadays.  So many guys miss because of the Super Bowl and "injuries" that some mid tier players are now finding their way in.

the Pro Bowl has gone from bad to worse under Goodell.  It should have stayed after the SB and AFC vs. NFC format. 

[757RavensFan]

Two QBs can't go due to injuries and obviously Cam Newton can't play, so Tyrod is going in their place.  So that makes me wonder if his selection to the ProBowl will play a factor in us getting a comp pick for him? 

Edited January 25, 2016 by 757RavensFan

[ALSKAN RAVEN FAN]

It would be nice. But honestly I don't know all the parameters around what does and does not make a teams eligible for comp picks.

[757RavensFan]

It would be nice. But honestly I don't know all the parameters around what does and does not make a teams eligible for comp picks.

 

Can't think of no reason better than a player that leaves makes it to the ProBowl the next season. 

But I "think" Taylor's contract value w/ the Bills isn't high enough to get a comp pick. 

Edited January 25, 2016 by 757RavensFan

[rmcjacket23]

Likely has no impact whatsoever.

 

If you really think about it, it shouldn't either. 

[Purple_City39]

To my knowledge, it doesn't make a difference.  The comp picks are determined by a combination of contract received and playing time.  I'm pretty sure probowls don't factor in

[ALSKAN RAVEN FAN]

Likely has no impact whatsoever.

 

If you really think about it, it shouldn't either. 

The pro-bowl maybe not but his success should  he was one we could not re-sign and hey that was good for T.Taylor he is a starter now and can really high light his career. But hey that's just my opinion.

[January J]

I saw earlier that he had made the pro bowl and the same thought crossed my mind. I think that incentives factor In if making the pro bowl was one of the clauses in the contract..but il be honest I have no idea if it will help or not. Definitely couldn't hurt! If we can scrape out an extra 7th il be happy.

[B-more Ravor]

No, it likely won't matter.

 

Taylor's loss does qualify for a Comp pick, but because of the small yearly average of his base deal, he falls below the 32nd Comp pick, which is the maximum (basically creates an 8th round of the draft).  He's somewhere down in the 35-37 range..

 

For Comp picks, the yearly average of the deal sets the round of the Comp, and then that can go up or down a round based on playing time and "Post season honors".

 

But, in Tyrod's case, he wasn't an initial choice for the Pro Bowl, so this won't have any impact.  It would only potentially have an impact for guys initially named to the Pro Bowl, not alternates.  Same goes for PB bonuses - those are only paid to initial choices, not guys that get there because of injury, drop outs or players playing in the SB.

Edited January 25, 2016 by B-more Ravor

[rmcjacket23]

The pro-bowl maybe not but his success should  he was one we could not re-sign and hey that was good for T.Taylor he is a starter now and can really high light his career. But hey that's just my opinion.

You could argue his success should. But then again, under that logic, we shouldn't expect to get a 4th rounder for Torrey either, because he didn't have very good success this season. You could also argue, based on this seasons production, that we shouldn't get a 4th for McPhee either.

 

All moot of course, because it doesn't matter. Just showing a rational reason why we are better off that production doesn't matter.

[Cillmatic]

the Pro Bowl has gone from bad to worse under Goodell. It should have stayed after the SB and AFC vs. NFC format.

It's actually gotten much better, they actually try sometimes now.

[RavensFanMania]

It's actually gotten much better, they actually try sometimes now.

except many of the players that would normally have gone to the SB from the SB teams, now don't go at all.  It's watered down in my opinion.  There is a better way to get them to try then to eliminate the top players from the game.

[GrimCoconut]

Yes, it's possible. For all the so-called "experts" out there who claim to know the formula for predicting comp picks (and there are some very good people who can accurately predict compensatory picks), the actual formula is simply not well understood. Salary is the largest factor in terms of compensatory pick acquisitions; however, it is not the sole indicator of such. Postseason honors (e.g. Pro Bowl), as well as playoff playing time, starting, etc. play a major role as well in awarding compensatory selections. Furthermore, his deal was structured so he could earn more based on playing time, which he did attain, btw. Taylor's 3-year deal is now a 2-year deal as well due to the percentage of snaps he played this year. 

 

Then again, I am honestly not sure how much this matters since he wasn't originally selected as a Pro Bowl player. It came as a consequence of others not attending. I do think there's a very distinct possibility we may get a nice award for Darian Stewart, however. He had playing time, playoff appearances, and a borderline salary. I think he could very well get us a compensatory selection, especially with how deep the Broncos went in the playoffs. 

 

I don't think anyone can honestly say they know the answer on this one for some time. I personally think that Tyrod Taylor cancels out the acquisition of Kendrick Lewis. Both got close to the same financial compensation and had very close to the same playing time. 

[hn68wb4]

It's not out of the realm of possibility that he may sneak us a 7th but his contract is so tiny that it's unlikely.

[GrimCoconut]

3 hours ago, hn68wb4 said:

It's not out of the realm of possibility that he may sneak us a 7th but his contract is so tiny that it's unlikely.

I still think he may help offset the Lewis addition, which will be big due to the impact Stewart had in Denver this year

[Wildabeast88]

On January 25, 2016 at 1:52 PM, rmw10 said:

It's time our own Joe Flacco made the probowl consistently every year from here on out! Depressing that he's not made it yet and the year he was an alternate, he couldn't go because of the birth of a child.

 

As for us getting a comp pick because Tyrod made it to the pro-bowl, I am unsure if it factors in. I was under the notion that comp picks are dirctly related to playing time and salary compensation.

 

Accolades factor in as well.  Pro Bowls, All Pro, helping your team to the playoffs, etc.

 

I'm just not sure if this will make a difference because of how watered down the Pro Bowl is nowadays.  So many guys miss because of the Super Bowl and "injuries" that some mid tier players are now finding their way in.

I hope Joe doesn't go to a probowl I think he would rather play the following week I know I do

[sflegend89]

if we don't get at least a 7th back for Tyrod that is an embarrassment to the comp pick system. The guy was one of the better starting QB's in football this year and now he's on a freaking Pro Bowl roster. If that isn't worthy of a low end comp pick at the very least then the system is broken.

Edited January 27, 2016 by sflegend89

[GrimCoconut]

51 minutes ago, sflegend89 said:

if we don't get at least a 7th back for Tyrod that is an embarrassment to the comp pick system. The guy was one of the better starting QB's in football this year and now he's on a freaking Pro Bowl roster. If that isn't worthy of a low end comp pick at the very least then the system is broken.

I think it would be better if he cancelled out the Kendrick Lewis signing since Darian Stewart got a higher average salary, started every game, and made the playoffs and now the Super Bowl. I think that'll provide a greater dividend than Taylor.

[757RavensFan]

I don't know what happened to my original post on the matter but it does look like we'll get a 4th Comp Pick for Tyrod Taylor.

http://russellstreetreport.com/2016/01/28/baltimore-ravens-salary-cap/ravens-to-receive-4-compensatory-picks/

 

[rmcjacket23]

I mean, that's great and all, but its what like a 7th?

As much as we like to pretend we are great later in the draft (which we are), the 7th round is pretty much excluded from that.

Deangelo Tyson and Michael Campanaro are probably our best 7th round picks in franchise history to be honest. That's not great.

So nice to get, but ultimately irrelevant in my opinion.

[Sunday QB]

I would hope that a starting QB would get us at least a 3rd round comp pick.

[B-more Ravor]

On ‎1‎/‎27‎/‎2016 at 10:37 PM, GrimCoconut said:

I think it would be better if he cancelled out the Kendrick Lewis signing since Darian Stewart got a higher average salary, started every game, and made the playoffs and now the Super Bowl. I think that'll provide a greater dividend than Taylor.

Won't much matter though, since both Tyrod and Stewart will likely be 7ths either way, so whichever one cancels Lewis, it would only likely mean a higher 7th.

[B-more Ravor]

On ‎1‎/‎27‎/‎2016 at 9:44 PM, sflegend89 said:

if we don't get at least a 7th back for Tyrod that is an embarrassment to the comp pick system. The guy was one of the better starting QB's in football this year and now he's on a freaking Pro Bowl roster. If that isn't worthy of a low end comp pick at the very least then the system is broken.

He's only in the Pro Bowl because 6 or 7 QBs dropped out.  So, that's not going to be of any help - you've got to make the initial Pro Bowl roster for it to matter.

That said, starting 14 games as a QB appears to have been enough to overcome the small contract and get him up the list (at least, that's what the Ravens think).

[52520Andrew]

Yeah I would just be happy if we are able to get a 7th rounder for Tyrod