[News] Will Ravens Re-Sign Wide Receiver Chris Givens?

[January J]

More than Campanaro's 2 year career.

obviously that's misleading bc givens played several more games. I realize that's your point bc you can't produce if your injured all the time but I truly believe those issues will be behind him..he definitely deserves one more chance..And I'd much rather take a chance on him than givens..way more potential. Givens has done all he can do and I believe has reached his ceiling . Edited January 23, 2016 by January J

[bigcatfrank1]

Considering Chris came to the team without any camp, I think the Ravens will give him a shot. He should focus on building strength and endurance over the break. Ravens camp is one the of the toughest in the NFL. He will find out, that is for sure. Ravens still need to get a #1/2...like a DeShean Jackson or a Roddy White to play opposite Steve Sr.- spend the 6-7 million! then have Aiken and Perriman as 3-4. Givens, Brown, Clay, Butler and Campinaro all to look at over training camp

[JamesA119]

Chris Givens has a lot of speed. Flacco under threw him in the Arizona game in what was surely a TD. A second year in the same offense would be advantageous. He could be used as back up for Perriman, and as such the opposing defense would always respect the deep threat. Also if in the event Perriman gets injured, we don't have scramble for a deep threat from other teams and losing valuable picks in return. A lot of the WRs we have now are slot receivers. SSS is an all round great WR, Aiken is a great route runner and can get downfield deceptively with his route running skills. Of the other WRs Butler is by far the best playmaker in the short to intermediate range.

[Tenacious Faulker]

Ozzie will give him consideration because he traded to get him and his speed on the outside. However, Givens hasn't showed me enough to be a definite re-sign. He's definetely on the bubble and will need come an affordable price for him to stay here.

[purpledown]

Vernon Davis of Oregon looked good in east west game. could be a late round pick for Ravens.

[riseNConquer81]

It's easy, if you are an outside speed receiver but you can't beat mediocre cornerbacks in press coverage then you are no use. Unless you take that speedy receiver and put him in the slot where he can get open (in the space in the middle: google  coverage schemes).

i dont need to google coverage schemes...im quite well read and way better at football than you, i promise.

That's why i know you're contradicting yourself and making even less sense than you did before.

Catching passes over the middle is about timing, windows come and go fast. So if he's supposedly so bad against the press and cant get open then again: WHY would you choose that guy to run into the part of the field with the most defenders in it?

 

Why do you think that Antonio Brown plays in the slot even though he was originally an "outside speed receiver". Why don't the squealers just play him on the outside where he can use his speed?

Antonio Brown plays all over the formation because he's extremely versatile, a matchup nightmare, and the best player on their team. Its in their best interest to put the ball in his hands and moving him around is one way to create more opportunities to do that in addition to making their offense harder to predict.

they put him in the slot when they need a play or want to expoloit a matchup against an inside guy or force an outside guy who's usually tough but not very good at slot play (like Richard Sherman) into the slot. Its called attacking the holes in the defense.

 

The Saints must be foolish to play one of the fastest WR in the NFL (Cooks) in multiple positions including the slot - why isn't he just lining up outside?

Snead's their slot guy most of the time.

Cooks is their playmaker, they use him the same way the Steelers use Brown.

and Brown and Cooks are actually functional slot receivers...Givens is not.

Not sure what point you think you're making by comparing Givens to a bunch of guys with skillsets different from his.

None of this has anything to do with you trying to fit a square peg into a round hole.

 

I mean if "ALL the defenders are in the middle of the field", that should be a touchdown every time, right?

obtuse and facetious hyperbole isn't going to make your point either. Edited January 25, 2016 by riseNConquer81

[January J]

Givens is useless!! He is not as fast as he was as a rookie and there is no savvyness to his routes. The rams need receivers and threw him in the dumpster. He was a feeble, cheap attempt to acquire a playmaker!!

for once I actually agree with you. I saw nothing from him at all. Nothing. Well, one good catch in Arizona. Besides that, yeah nothing. I'm just pissed we wasted a draft pick on him. But you live and learn..don't try to salvage anything just take the hit and move on. I don't want him occupying a roster spot that a young up and comer like Daniel Brown or even Chris Mathews could have..

Sorry Chris but no place on this team for a WR that won't go across the middle and can only run 9 routes. You've been on 2 teams with no WRs and have yet to make any sort of impact on either.

exactly. He couldn't shine amongst a bunch of udfas, practice squad receivers and castoffs. He had every opportunity to make an impact and did nothing. I know he had multiple quarterbacks throwing to him and blazay blah but come on now..good receivers don't make excuses, they make things happen. I think that's an overrated issue anyway. You catch the ball when it's thrown to you. Period. And if you don't get open you won't be getting many balls your way. If I thought an entire camp to practice with joe would change things I would say to keep him- but I don't see it. We can easily pick up another speedster in the draft that would be better than him. If he wasn't a FA now then yeah, give him another shot..but yeah il keep this simple, NO. Edited January 25, 2016 by January J

[riseNConquer81]

for once I actually agree with you. I saw nothing from him at all. Nothing. Well, one good catch in Arizona. Besides that, yeah nothing. I'm just pissed we wasted a draft pick on him. But you live and learn..don't try to salvage anything just take the hit and move on. I don't want him occupying a roster spot that a young up and comer like Daniel Brown or even Chris Mathews could have..

exactly. He couldn't shine amongst a bunch of udfas, practice squad receivers and castoffs. He had every opportunity to make an impact and did nothing.

Daniel Brown only has 6 nfl catches to his name for 64 yards.

Chris Matthews only has 13 for 151.

Neither of these dudes stat sheets even appears on the first page of their google results....

Givens no less than tripled both of these dudes' output this season and the career resumes are not even close.

Your post doesnt make any sense.

 

I know he had multiple quarterbacks throwing to him and blazay blah but come on now..good receivers don't make excuses, they make things happen. I think that's an overrated issue anyway. You catch the ball when it's thrown to you. Period.

"Nevermind all these circumstances beyond his control and bad players he's dependent on to perform. Facts and reality are overrated anyway. he should still be good regardless. I'm not gonna hold the scrubs below him on the depth chart to the same standard though"

yeah....compelling argument if i've ever seen one.

By the way: despite our patchwork O line, mediocre receivers, and revolving door of backup quarterbacks, the The Ravens actually posted the lowest team drop percentage in the league in 2015 at 2.2%. They own the second least amount of team drops at 15. Seattle only had 12.

http://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/team-receiver-drops-percentage/2015/

if youd like to see who owns each of our 15 drops look here:

http://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/drops/2015/

spoiler alert: Givens only has 1.

Edited January 25, 2016 by riseNConquer81

[January J]

Daniel Brown only has 6 nfl catches to his name for 64 yards.Chris Matthews only has 13 for 151.Neither of these dudes stat sheets even appears on the first page of their google results....Givens no less than tripled both of these dudes' output this season and the career resumes are not even close.Your post doesnt make any sense. "Nevermind all these circumstances beyond his control and bad players he's dependent on to perform. Facts and reality are overrated anyway. he should still be good regardless. I'm not gonna hold the scrubs below him on the depth chart to the same standard though"yeah....compelling argument if i've ever seen one.By the way: despite our patchwork O line, mediocre receivers, and revolving door of backup quarterbacks, the The Ravens actually posted the lowest team drop percentage in the league in 2015 at 2.2%. They own the second least amount of team drops at 15. Seattle only had 12.http://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/team-receiver-drops-percentage/2015/if youd like to see who owns each of our 15 drops look here:http://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/drops/2015/spoiler alert: Givens only has 1.

lol first of all where do I start? you are comparing 2 guys resumes with somebody who has been in the league for years. Which is exactly why I referred to Daniel Brown and Chris Mathews as "up and comers". Of course givens will have more numbers , and considering the amount of playing time he's had over the other 2 his numbers are not very respectable. Just silly for you to even bring that up. You act like teams just automatically go with the guy who has the better numbers- givens has peaked ..we've seen what he can do, not much. Daniel Brown and Chris Mathews have flashed in the few opportunities they've been given. Let's see, pay the FA a decent amount of money for zero production or go with the up and comer, get younger and possibly find a gem for peanuts. Better for the team and better for business.lol How does that NOT make sense? You should know better than that. But that's ok, we will see who's on the roster next year..I will bookmark this for the future. And I'm not even saying Daniel Brown makes the roster - I'm not one of them guys that's infatuated with his two plays in preseason. Maybe its waller. Maybe butler or somebody whos not even on the team right now. Regardless im confident givens will not be on this team next year wasting a roster spot we could be using on a player that actually has potential and produces regardless of the circumstances. Thats what good receivers do. Unless he signs for damn near the league minimum I just don't see it. Chris Mathews has a pretty good shot- and will probably end up being what we thought Marlon Brown would be.

Sarcasm is awesome..Let's pay attention to the qbs that are throwing to him..bc these guys aren't professionals in the national football league..Ryan mallet wasn't a starter for another team earlier in the year and Matt Shaub wasn't a former pro bowl quarterback. It's all their fault. He was just constantly getting open and they just kept underthrowing him. What can you do? Let's bring him back next season and better luck next time..Let's just hope Joe doesn't go down or else he won't be able to perform. It's all on joe. Bc Aiken had a hard time too right?

Enough of that. The guys Been on two teams and has been outshined by every single receiver and bumped down the depth chart.he was the #2 receiver for a good portion of the season and did nothing. You can make excuses for him all you want but I assure you Ozzie wont. 1 drop huh? Well you have to have been thrown at to actually drop the ball..and if your never OPEN your not gonna get many balls thrown your way. Get outta here with that mess.

Edited January 25, 2016 by January J

[TheConquerorWorm]

i dont need to google coverage schemes...im quite well read and way better at football than you, i promise.

That's why i know you're contradicting yourself and making even less sense than you did before.

Catching passes over the middle is about timing, windows come and go fast. So if he's supposedly so bad against the press and cant get open then again: WHY would you choose that guy to run into the part of the field with the most defenders in it?

 

Lol. I doubt that - where did you play college ball? Where did you coach? Where did your dad play? Where did he coach? Where did your brothers play? Where do they coach?

 

If you are so versed in schemes, then please show me any scheme (that actual NFL teams use) that calls for most of the defenders in the middle of the field? 

 

AND I wouldn't choose a guy like Givens to go across the middle, I wouldn't have him on my team, hence my original post. You won't/can't go across the middle & you can't get open against press coverage equals the reason you've had no success in the NFL for years despite being on WR needy teams. And wouldn't be on my team.

 

We can banter back and forth all day but the bottom line is that Givens is a one trick pony (whose 1 trick may or may not still be there) and not a starting NFL WR. If you know as much about football as you claim, there is no debating that.

Edited January 25, 2016 by TheConquerorWorm

[Winchester]

his rookie season was only 3 years ago....

Go Homers!!

[riseNConquer81]

On 1/26/2016 at 2:48 AM, Winchester said:

Go Homers!!

did you have a point to make here or is this just your fancy way of cheering on people with comments that make sense based on factual information?

[January J]

12 hours ago, riseNConquer81 said:

strategyadiscamssingdy tNevewould be foraehatd dif ficultf tendtheyther e's nothin g  for    you t  o succ  essfully argue herelatedr p ost made no sense and thats the  end of the story, but lord knows you'll try something anyway... 

no, thats what you're doing. 
You said we shouldnt bother with Givens because he "hasnt shown me anything."
These two have shown you less, a point you just took it upon yourself to reiterate. So like i said....your post makes no sense...

Givens numbers are fine, and still way better than your practice squadders'...you're reaching. Givens has been a spot guy in 3+ wide sets his whole career...never a starter, and he's been playing with anemic QB talent the whole time as well. you're just trying to invent a reason to favor the two no names over him where there isnt one. 
At least your imagination is active....thats a positive i guess.

peaked? nice joke. another reach. kid's only 26, never had a decent quarterback and has hardly seen the field...

Daniel Brown and Chris Matthews have caught a tiny amount of balls for mediocre yardage and 1 TD between the two of them. they're the one's with "zero production," Givens has outperformed both of them combined. You mustve went to the Trump school of business. (he went bankrupt 4 times....)

all of that aside, i dont know why you're pitting Matthews and Brown against Givens like its gonna cost more than a roll of bubble tape to buy both of them. 200 some odd yards and 1 TD is not breaking our bank....not even close. again...you dont make any sense.

uhhhh, you clearly are mesmerized by his preseason performance because thats about all  he has to show for play time, so if you werent, we wouldnt be having this conversation because you'd already know its ridiculous.
and book mark whatever you like. your arguments wont make anymore sense in September than they do now, regardless of who is on the roster.

none of these three guys are what you're describing, so you're basically saying that if we can get a better receiver than Givens then we'll sign him instead...which goes without saying, that's the case at every position on the team. But you're not really making a point here, just stating the obvious...

what YOU thought Marlon Brown would be. I already knew better than that, that was your fantasy not mine. 
and the fact that you have to say this demonstrates what kind of eye you have for receiver talent and only further solidifies my point about your comments here lol. 

Sarcasm is awesome when you do it right. This isnt sarcasm though, its a purposefully obtuse strawman argument. 
Merely being a member of the NFL doesnt make you elite talent at your position...it just means they're better than average dudes like you. 

Ryan Mallet was in a QB committee and lost the job. He only had a shot at the job to begin with because Houston had no choice but to pick a guy out of a stable of mediocre guys.

the word former means "in the past," where we do not currently exist. Nice moot point. 

i never said anything was ALL anybody's fault...thats yet another reach by you to attempt to discredit an argument you otherwise cant rebut.

Everybody has a hard time when your starting QB goes down. Aiken, like Marlon before him, mostly benefitted from volume. he was the most talented guy left so he got the most targets. still only put up just north of 900 yards and 5 measley TDs. not sure what your point is supposed to be. Next year, also like Marlon, when Smith Senior comes back and if Perriman gets it together, Aiken will recede back in to the shadows as the role player he's always meant to be. 

His two teams are the Rams and the Ravens. 
He only got outshined by 2 guys in STL, and nobody here as i already proved multiple times despite your insistence on ignoring that evidence. 
He was the #2 after the O line was in shambles and the starting QB was gone. yes it matters, and you know it.

People like you overuse the word excuse as a substitute for a valid argument because you're often left without one. you should stop.

Givens was OBVIOUSLY thrown at...54 times in fact, thats the worst lie ive ever seen. 
and again...following your reasoning: given that Brown and Mathews only saw 35 targets combined, they must really suck. 
so once again...you still dont make any sense.

Talk about an essay..

Hasnt shown me anything in the hundred Some more snaps that hes Seen over the Other two..was it that hard to understand? Sorry Kid but your obviously the one making zero sense. never a starter? He started Several games This year as the #2 Receiver behind aiken..which aiken EARNED bc he actually produced when given the oppurtunities. Why do You think he recieved The amount of volume he did? Bc he actually got open and made plays.Givens Could have easily worked his way up the depth chart& been in that Same position..obviously He didnt..wonder why?  

Anemic qb Talent? Once again..a superbowl mvp qb, a former pro bowler, and a Former starter who has a cannon..still didnt Get it done while others did..i Rest my case..no need to reitterate The obvious when its Falling on deaf Ears.

Hes Been in the league for 3 years..Most Dont Even get that long with his production. He belongs on a practice squad. Im Not mesmerized by anything, I just know when its Time to move on from a player. And marlon Brown? The FO Is obviously the one that had Expectations from him, hence why they kept him on the roster . I definitely expected more, but obviously so did they..maybe you Should go apply for a position in the front office, bc evidentally you know more than They do.

 Maybe You should learn to talk with a little more respect or just agree to disagree..for some reason you seem to be taking this personally like your Related to the guy or something. Relax a little. Attempting to belittle Everyone you disagree with is not a good look just to let you know. Were All fans of the same team. Well, most of us i Hope..

Oh yeah, and trump never personally filed for bankruptcy..his businesses did- which Often times is more of a financial Strategy anyway..so yeah. Not a fan of his Anyway so whatever.   

Feel free to Reply with as many  Cunning and rude Remarks as you would like..after all we are Discussing whether we should retain a FA or not..such serious stuff. 

Also i Apologize for all the grammatical errors..this new update has made it painfully Difficult for me to post - my Cursor is jumping around everywhere and i Am unable to backspace.

 

 

Edited January 28, 2016 by January J

[riseNConquer81]

38 minutes ago, January J said:

Talk about an essay..

Hasnt shown me anything in the hundred Some more snaps that hes Seen over the Other two..was it that hard to understand? Sorry Kid but your obviously the one making zero sense. never a starter? He started Several games This year as the #2 Receiver behind aiken..which aiken EARNED bc he actually produced when given the oppurtunities. Why do You think he recieved The amount of volume he did? Bc he actually got open and made plays.Givens Could have easily worked his way up the depth chart& been in that Same position..obviously He didnt..wonder why?  

Anemic qb Talent? Once again..a superbowl mvp qb, a former pro bowler, and a Former starter who has a cannon..still didnt Get it done while others did..i Rest my case..no need to reitterate The obvious when its Falling on deaf Ears.

Hes Been in the league for 3 years..Most Dont Even get that long with his production. He belongs on a practice squad. Im Not mesmerized by anything, I just know when its Time to move on from a player. And marlon Brown? The FO Is obviously the one that had Expectations from him, hence why they kept him on the roster . I definitely expected more, but obviously so did they..maybe you Should go apply for a position in the front office, bc evidentally you know more than They do.

 Maybe You should learn to talk with a little more respect or just agree to disagree..for some reason you seem to be taking this personally like your Related to the guy or something. Relax a little. Attempting to belittle Everyone you disagree with is not a good look just to let you know. Were All fans of the same team. Well, most of us i Hope..

Oh yeah, and trump never personally filed for bankruptcy..his businesses did- which Often times is more of a financial Strategy anyway..so yeah. Not a fan of his Anyway so whatever.   

Feel free to Reply with as many  Cunning and rude Remarks as you would like..after all we are Discussing whether we should retain a FA or not..such serious stuff. 

Also i Apologize for all the grammatical errors..this new update has made it painfully Difficult for me to post - my Cursor is jumping around everywhere and i Am unable to backspace.

 

 

unfortunately, the only way to rebut a large amount of nonsense is with a larger amount of facts.

your definition of anything is obviously completely unreasonable as i've pointed out multiple times that his production dwarfs the COMBINED production of your two bottom feeders.
The rest of that paragraph is just you repeating the same arguments ive already debunked and/or repeating things i already said (like Kamar being the most talented guy left in the corps) and pretending that its a new point you made. I'll ignore it.

Givens only played two games with Flacco. Coincidentally and as you might expect, they were his most productive DESPITE the lack of familiarity between the two. 6 receptions for 62 yards and a TD.
Thank you for proving my point. 
Once again...Matt Schaub USED to be a pro bowler...now he's jsut a washed up back up. we dont have 2009 Matt Schaub, we have 2016 matt schaub....dont know why you're talking about the past. 
Having a  strong arm does not make you a great QB.

There's no receiver anywhere that regularly averages 16 yards per reception and puts up at least 560 yards on the season that isnt on a roster. Somebody can always use that kind of depth.
Stop making up random nonsense.

Your idea of "respect" is me not challenging the lack of sense your arguments make...sorry, not my style. Talk to somebody else if you want a yes man.

"agreeing to disagree" is a form of laziness born of your lack of willingness to admit you're wrong about something and/or find a common ground. i dont do laziness.

disregarding non sequiturs about trump...

disregarding the shaming tactic aimed at attempting to quiet me so that you dont have to defend your nonsense views. 

and all that said:
youre not at all interested in facts or reality because you obviously have some awkward soft spot for these no name receivers which is making you extremely biased.
is it really that difficult to just say you want to see Chris Matthews and Daniel Brown do well?
Your aspirations for them dont have to come at the expense of Chris Givens, and you dont need to make such a ridiculous effort to make Givens look like a worse receiver than them when he's so clearly not. There's no purpose for it. 
Chris Givens doesnt have to be a bad receiver in order for you to like them...you're wasting a lot of energy and breath on a ridiculous crusade. 

Edited January 28, 2016 by riseNConquer81

[The Mom Gene]

On ‎01‎/‎23‎/‎2016 at 0:13 AM, RavensFanMania said:

This is highly over played.  Most of his drops happened in the earlier part of the season when he was adjusting to a new QB, who was barely accurate with him.  After that he was mostly fine.  I think you and many people on BR are going to be pleasantly surprised by Perriman.

I agree....  and I also believe that Givens is way more than we had seen last season.  He played most of his snaps with an inaccurate QB in Schaub.  And when you consider under 4 different QB's in less than 3/4 of a season????  My God people...  You all are brutal.

[The Mom Gene]

Can we discuss this topic rationally without attacking one another please?

Also, points can be made without writing a book.

[January J]

On January 28, 2016 at 0:25 PM, riseNConquer81 said:

unfortunately, the only way to rebut a large amount of nonsense is with a larger amount of facts.

your definition of anything is obviously completely unreasonable as i've pointed out multiple times that his production dwarfs the COMBINED production of your two bottom feeders.
The rest of that paragraph is just you repeating the same arguments ive already debunked and/or repeating things i already said (like Kamar being the most talented guy left in the corps) and pretending that its a new point you made. I'll ignore it.

Givens only played two games with Flacco. Coincidentally and as you might expect, they were his most productive DESPITE the lack of familiarity between the two. 6 receptions for 62 yards and a TD.
Thank you for proving my point. 
Once again...Matt Schaub USED to be a pro bowler...now he's jsut a washed up back up. we dont have 2009 Matt Schaub, we have 2016 matt schaub....dont know why you're talking about the past. 
Having a  strong arm does not make you a great QB.

There's no receiver anywhere that regularly averages 16 yards per reception and puts up at least 560 yards on the season that isnt on a roster. Somebody can always use that kind of depth.
Stop making up random nonsense.

Your idea of "respect" is me not challenging the lack of sense your arguments make...sorry, not my style. Talk to somebody else if you want a yes man.

"agreeing to disagree" is a form of laziness born of your lack of willingness to admit you're wrong about something and/or find a common ground. i dont do laziness.

disregarding non sequiturs about trump...

disregarding the shaming tactic aimed at attempting to quiet me so that you dont have to defend your nonsense views. 

and all that said:
youre not at all interested in facts or reality because you obviously have some awkward soft spot for these no name receivers which is making you extremely biased.
is it really that difficult to just say you want to see Chris Matthews and Daniel Brown do well?
Your aspirations for them dont have to come at the expense of Chris Givens, and you dont need to make such a ridiculous effort to make Givens look like a worse receiver than them when he's so clearly not. There's no purpose for it. 
Chris Givens doesnt have to be a bad receiver in order for you to like them...you're wasting a lot of energy and breath on a ridiculous crusade. 

You keep saying givens production doubled both of the "bottom feeders" numbers-(not the best way to address members of our team, but nonetheless) when clearly he has had hundreds more of snaps. Talk about repeating nonsense. No, my idea of respect is knowing how to counter an argument without attempting to belittle another user. There's no need for it. Don't expect anybody to be a yes man, in fact I like it when my opinions are challenged and I think it's healthy when done in a constructive way. You've made several snarky comments in this thread alone to a few others as well..Maybe your just having problems in your   Personal life or something so il just leave it alone. 

Seems that your the one that has a soft spot for givens..your the one who got all Defensive when I said I didn't think he should be retained. Lol and  obviously your the one on a "crusade".. I simply stated my opinion and you went on a tangent..

 givens played 5 games with Flacco..wrong again. He totaled about 150 yards and 1 td.  And he's played 4 seasons, not 3.  Your saying that I'm not interested in facts when all I've stated is opinions and you have given several       incorrect "facts".  Im sure he can find his way on a roster somewhere, but it shouldn't be here. Anyway I'm done here..get the last word if you wish. Not gonna keep going back and forth, obviously I'm dealing with somebody who doesn't know how to have a healthy/ friendly debate.

Edited January 29, 2016 by January J