[News] Late For Work 1/22: Joe Flacco Happy He Didn't Have To Wear Gold Pants

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Ranking offensive needs. Davis takes Flacco’s highest-paid title. Immediate starters in first three rounds?

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[January J]

Haha I wouldn't want to wear em either joe. You ain't the only 1. Joe cool.

[Ravensfan4life2010]

Joe Flacco the face of our franchise

[Bat-mite]

There is a shade of gold that would work with the uniforms, something a little more on the tan side. But that greenish mustard color was not it! I understand EOE, but let's try not to get a colorblind person to do any more wardrobe designs.

[OriolesMagicPlease]

Joe has fashion sense too! I'd rather not see any shade of gold, those pants turned me off.

[nevermorebmore]

It'd be great if they could hang onto KO, and either work it out with Monroe or draft a stellar LT. It'd be great to see Urschel groomed to be Center, as he's got an incredible brain for the job. It's been fun getting to know Urschel through the press and twitter. I know that LT is perceived as the biggest need on any line, but it would be incredible to see KO, Urschel, and Yanda building a young, homegrown, power interior line. Whether that could happen with Monroe or a high draft pick at LT, I'm not sure.

However, I think that CB is more of a position of dire need. As I've expressed before, absent injuries, this is essentially the same offense that went up two touchdowns (twice) on the patriots just one year ago in the playoffs. That's IF Perriman can step in for Torrey Smith. Last year at this time, we watched as Brady picked on Rashaan Melvin who (despite an admirable performance) showed what happens to a team with a lack of CB depth. A fortunate outcome to this dreadful season is that best player available and drafting for need tend to align higher in the draft. I think we'll be seeing a new face in the secondary in the first round.

[harfordravenfan]

It'd be great if they could hang onto KO, and either work it out with Monroe or draft a stellar LT. It'd be great to see Urschel groomed to be Center, as he's got an incredible brain for the job. It's been fun getting to know Urschel through the press and twitter. I know that LT is perceived as the biggest need on any line, but it would be incredible to see KO, Urschel, and Yanda building a young, homegrown, power interior line. Whether that could happen with Monroe or a high draft pick at LT, I'm not sure. However, I think that CB is more of a position of dire need. As I've expressed before, absent injuries, this is essentially the same offense that went up two touchdowns (twice) on the patriots just one year ago in the playoffs. That's IF Perriman can step in for Torrey Smith. Last year at this time, we watched as Brady picked on Rashaan Melvin who (despite an admirable performance) showed what happens to a team with a lack of CB depth. A fortunate outcome to this dreadful season is that best player available and drafting for need tend to align higher in the draft. I think we'll be seeing a new face in the secondary in the first round.

 

I was a little surprised they didn't list CB as a need as well (although Davis and Melvin will do ok)

 

Boy o boy, does the quote below ever say something...

"and who knows what Marc Trestman can do when he gets back his starting quarterback, running back, center, left tackle, tight end and top two receivers."

[bioLarzen]

Let's stop call those ugly things GOLD pants. They were mustard or yellow or similar - but not gold. I understand the intention was gold - but the execution definitely failed.

[bioLarzen]

I was a little surprised they didn't list CB as a need as well (although Davis and Melvin will do ok)

 

Rashaan Melvin currently plays for the Pats. You probably meant Shareece Wright?

Edited January 22, 2016 by bioLarzen

[bioLarzen]

There is a shade of gold that would work with the uniforms, something a little more on the tan side. But that greenish mustard color was not it! I understand EOE, but let's try not to get a colorblind person to do any more wardrobe designs.

 

Yeah - even the Rams could pull it off - so it cannot be very difficult...

[thecommish]

I like the gold pants... just maybe need an alternate jersey with them! The black on black is still more bmore though!

[fusuymada]

We need to use Monroe as trade bait for someone who thinks he still has some value left. Perhaps trading him to the Chargers are an option because they need a left tackle also and they may prefer a veteran over an unproven rookie. Perhaps his off-season surgery will convince them he will be a solid left tackle as he has proven he has a history of when he was in Jacksonville. Maybe he is a warm weather left tackle and San Diego, like Jacksonville, may suit him well. But unless we sign KO, trading him would have to be specifically to move up and get the best left tackle in the draft, Tunsel. I think we need to keep Aiken. He has proven he can play anywhere and be a #1, a #2, a #3 or a #4 in our system. For someone who is not a #1 receiver he sure did have a lot of 5 catch games and was within a stones throw of a 1000 yard season. Pretty amazing for a guy who was only a #1 for about half the games. If we don't tender him high, someone else will come along, see his value, he will go somewhere and do real well and we will cry we didn't keep him. Lets just avoid the tears and keep him.

[NCMan]

I'm not sure where Hensley gets his pick numbers for us. First of all, I don't think the Pats get a round one pick (?) If that is right, our second pick should be #37 overall and the third one would be #69. Not sure if that is right, but was just wondering.

[NCMan]

From what we saw of Aiken last season, I think he's worth a second round tender, that is, if we can afford it under the cap.

[rmcjacket23]

We need to use Monroe as trade bait for someone who thinks he still has some value left. Perhaps trading him to the Chargers are an option because they need a left tackle also and they may prefer a veteran over an unproven rookie. Perhaps his off-season surgery will convince them he will be a solid left tackle as he has proven he has a history of when he was in Jacksonville. Maybe he is a warm weather left tackle and San Diego, like Jacksonville, may suit him well. But unless we sign KO, trading him would have to be specifically to move up and get the best left tackle in the draft, Tunsel. I think we need to keep Aiken. He has proven he can play anywhere and be a #1, a #2, a #3 or a #4 in our system. For someone who is not a #1 receiver he sure did have a lot of 5 catch games and was within a stones throw of a 1000 yard season. Pretty amazing for a guy who was only a #1 for about half the games. If we don't tender him high, someone else will come along, see his value, he will go somewhere and do real well and we will cry we didn't keep him. Lets just avoid the tears and keep him.

He's not very easily trade-able. He's due $20M over the next three years, which is what another team would have to absorb. Just don't think there's much market for an oft-injured LT making $6-7M a year.

 

Plus, I don't see us drafting a LT and then starting him there in year 1. LT's, even drafted as early as the top 5, almost universally struggle in year 1, and so even drafting a guy means we will probably have major LT issues in year 1.

 

If KO is allowed to walk, and they don't have trust in Monroe, I think the best option is to keep Monroe for 2016 and start him at LT, use a high pick on a tackle to groom as our future LT, and probably play that rookie at Guard, since we will have an opening there. Then you cut Monroe after 2016 and insert that guy at LT in 2017, when the cap savings from cutting Monroe was much more significant.

 

Basically, if I have my choice between starting Monroe at LT in 2016 or a rookie, I'd prefer Monroe. For the long term I'd prefer the rookie though.

[bioLarzen]

I'm not sure where Hensley gets his pick numbers for us. First of all, I don't think the Pats get a round one pick (?) If that is right, our second pick should be #37 overall and the third one would be #69. Not sure if that is right, but was just wondering.

 

Our picks (without the comp picks):

 

1: 06 (rd 1)

2: 36 (rd 2)

3: 70 (rd 3)

4: 101 (rd 4)

5: 124/125/126/127 (rd. 4, traded from the Broncos for Gradkowski, exact position depends on how the Broncos finish)

6: 164 (rd. 6)

(7th round pick traded to the Dolphins for Will Davis)

 

And this does take the Pats' stripping of their 1st round pick into account. The reason for the fluctuation os that the teams that finished with the same record keep fluctuating their respective spots round by round. In the first round the Jags pick ahead of us, in the second we pick ahead of them - just like in the second round the Browns pick ahead of the Titans.

 

Source

Edited January 22, 2016 by bioLarzen

[rmcjacket23]

I'm not sure where Hensley gets his pick numbers for us. First of all, I don't think the Pats get a round one pick (?) If that is right, our second pick should be #37 overall and the third one would be #69. Not sure if that is right, but was just wondering.

Correct, he's probably not accounting for the fact that the Pats don't have a round 1 pick.

[trevorsteadman]

Trade Monroe for a swap in the first round with the Chargers and also pick up a Charger 4th or 5th round pick so we can draft Laremy Tunsil who is going to be the best left tackle in the league (has tools to but still needs to make it happen of course). Hopefully less of an injury problem as Monroe, makes the offensive line stronger, and pay Osemele. If injuries happen, such as Rick Wagner or Tunsil go down, Osemele can move back to left tackle and we can have Urschel step in at guard. Really good offensive line depth and no dead money headache. Problem solved. Too bad it's only a dream.

[757RavensFan]

It'd be great if they could hang onto KO, and either work it out with Monroe or draft a stellar LT. It'd be great to see Urschel groomed to be Center, as he's got an incredible brain for the job. It's been fun getting to know Urschel through the press and twitter. I know that LT is perceived as the biggest need on any line, but it would be incredible to see KO, Urschel, and Yanda building a young, homegrown, power interior line. Whether that could happen with Monroe or a high draft pick at LT, I'm not sure. However, I think that CB is more of a position of dire need. As I've expressed before, absent injuries, this is essentially the same offense that went up two touchdowns (twice) on the patriots just one year ago in the playoffs. That's IF Perriman can step in for Torrey Smith. Last year at this time, we watched as Brady picked on Rashaan Melvin who (despite an admirable performance) showed what happens to a team with a lack of CB depth. A fortunate outcome to this dreadful season is that best player available and drafting for need tend to align higher in the draft. I think we'll be seeing a new face in the secondary in the first round.

 

 

I was a little surprised they didn't list CB as a need as well (although Davis and Melvin will do ok)

 

 

 

That part of the article was only about the most important OFFENSIVE needs. 

Edited January 22, 2016 by 757RavensFan

[rmcjacket23]

Trade Monroe for a swap in the first round with the Chargers and also pick up a Charger 4th or 5th round pick so we can draft Laremy Tunsil who is going to be the best left tackle in the league (has tools to but still needs to make it happen of course). Hopefully less of an injury problem as Monroe, makes the offensive line stronger, and pay Osemele. If injuries happen, such as Rick Wagner or Tunsil go down, Osemele can move back to left tackle and we can have Urschel step in at guard. Really good offensive line depth and no dead money headache. Problem solved. Too bad it's only a dream.

Yeah, I don't have any idea why the Chargers would do that deal. Especially when they can just draft a LT themselves that costs a lot less.

 

And just as an FYI, if we trade Monroe, that will create dead money. Trading is the same as cutting him for the most part, so if you trade Monroe, he will have $6.6M in dead money against the 2016 cap.

[bioLarzen]

He's not very easily trade-able. He's due $20M over the next three years, which is what another team would have to absorb. Just don't think there's much market for an oft-injured LT making $6-7M a year.

 

I would say he's just about untradable - at least in any reasonable trade that we would benefit from.

[trevorsteadman]

Yeah, I don't have any idea why the Chargers would do that deal. Especially when they can just draft a LT themselves that costs a lot less.

 

And just as an FYI, if we trade Monroe, that will create dead money. Trading is the same as cutting him for the most part, so if you trade Monroe, he will have $6.6M in dead money against the 2016 cap.

That is true. I thought dead money carried over to the other team. Thank you for correcting me. 

[bioLarzen]

Correct, he's probably not accounting for the fact that the Pats don't have a round 1 pick.

 

Nope, he's correct.

 

The thing is that teams with the same record keep fluctuating their resoective order round by round. The basic idea is that, when for example 4 teams have thee same regular season record, they decide their first round order by the methods we know (head-to-head result(s), rsults v. the common opponents, division record etc...), then keep that rotating round by round, the earliest one in a given round picking last in the next round, the other three each picking one spot earlier. Let's suppose our 4 teams pick in this order in the first round: A, B, C, D. The consequent rounds they will have this order:

 

Rd#1: A, B, C, D

Rd#2: B, C, D, A

Rd#3: C, D, A, B

Rd#4: D, A, B, C

Rd#5: A, B, C, D

Rd#6: B, C, D, A

Rd#7: C, D, A, B

 

But this is just the basic idea, as I understand, there are several other modifying factors, so the final orders may differ.

Edited January 22, 2016 by bioLarzen

[bioLarzen]

Trade Monroe for a swap in the first round with the Chargers and also pick up a Charger 4th or 5th round pick 

 

With all due respect, this is a totally unrealistic trade on the Chargers part that any GM would only accept at gunpoint. This deal would (swapping first round picks and taking the Chargers 5th round pick) would put Monroe's trade value at roughly 640 points (600 points for the swap of the first round picks and 41 points for the Chargers' 5th round pick), which is the value of a late-first round pick, namely #29. So, this trade would say Monroe is worht a 1st round pick - which he clearly isn't. Trading franchise QB's and the absolute best of the NFL (the JJ Watt- or Yanda-level) would MAYBE involve 1st round pick's worth of picks. Monroe's cap figures and current injury history would be proihibitive even if otherwise he would be the JJ Watt of left tackles...

Edited January 22, 2016 by bioLarzen

[respecttheRaven]

I like the gold pants... just maybe need an alternate jersey with them! The black on black is still more bmore though!

I guess you and I, are the odd ones out. At first I was like eww, then they grew on me. People do need to realize that this color is in our uni. My "woman cave has Ravens purple and Ravens gold.......and this is the color. I like them!!

[hen826957]

I still like the gold pants though it's different just my opinion.

[bioLarzen]

People do need to realize that this color is in our uni. 

 

That doesn't make it any more appealing - at least in my eyes - good for you two that you like it - it's our loss

[ravens4life86]

Totally disagree with Luke Jones and whoever else saying they need LT. NO!!!!!!! Ride the monroe contract out 1 more year, and pick up a developmental starter LT like Le'Raven Clark from texas Tech 6'6 320lb in 3rd rnd of draft.

But no.1 offensive need is and will continue to be getting gamechanging WRs.

That means..Treadwell in round 1, Michael Thomas,Josh Doctson,Will Fuller rnd 2.. etc

But bringing back the same crew wont cut it

[bioLarzen]

Totally disagree with Luke Jones and whoever else saying they need LT. NO!!!!!!! Ride the monroe contract out 1 more year, and pick up a developmental starter LT like Le'Raven Clark from texas Tech 6'6 320lb in 3rd rnd of draft.

 

OK - and what if Monroe gets ijured again? He's been rather injury-proneas of late. When he's on the field, he's a good LT - we just don't know at this point if we can trust his health enough. And having Hurst as a possible starter isn't the most reassuring thought...

 

That's why LT is a need.

[rmcjacket23]

I would say he's just about untradable - at least in any reasonable trade that we would benefit from.

Well, it would certainly require another team to restructure or totally rip up his current deal and start over. And because of that, its not like we'd get a draft pick really worth much out of it. If we got like a 5th or 6th rounder out of it, I'd be shocked.

 

I would say the trade scenario is more realistic in 2017 if we draft a tackle early in the draft. Less dead money for us, less years left on his deal for another team to pay/obtain, and we can get "salvage value" for a player we'd likely cut.