Flacco the team player. Takes 3 year extension, lowers cap hit.

[PolishRifle]

23 minutes ago, Ravens4Real said:

There is absolutely no reason for KO to accept a deal from the Ravens at this point. It would have to be a very team friendly deal. There are teams out there with $80 mill in cap. He could make a killing on the open market.

 

My prediction is that he gets offered $10 mill a year and the Ravens can not afford that.

Aaron Wilson ‏@AaronWilson_NFL 9 Min.vor 9 Minuten

Ravens G-T Kelechi Osemele expected to hit market at this point, according to sources, won't stay unless he becomes highest paid guard

[MTRavensFan]

1 hour ago, PolishRifle said:

Aaron Wilson ‏@AaronWilson_NFL 9 Min.vor 9 Minuten

Ravens G-T Kelechi Osemele expected to hit market at this point, according to sources, won't stay unless he becomes highest paid guard

Yeah, but the highest paid guard is $8.5 mil. (Logan Mankins -  http://overthecap.com/position/left-guard)

We've already offered him that (more than Yanda @ $8mil), so what's Wilson's point? He would only leave if he was looking for LT money. Just a lot of smoke and mirrors speculation.

[rmcjacket23]

5 minutes ago, MTRavensFan said:

Yeah, but the highest paid guard is $8.5 mil. (Logan Mankins -  http://overthecap.com/position/left-guard)

We've already offered him that (more than Yanda @ $8mil), so what's Wilson's point? He would only leave if he was looking for LT money. Just a lot of smoke and mirrors speculation.

Possibly, unless he has no intention of playing LT. There's no chance the Ravens pay him $9-10M to stay here and play LG. There's a good chance he could go out into the FA market and get paid to play LG and be the highest paid Guard in the league.

One way or another, he's pretty much a lock to head to FA. Time will tell if he finds better offers there or not.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

1 hour ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Possibly, unless he has no intention of playing LT. There's no chance the Ravens pay him $9-10M to stay here and play LG. There's a good chance he could go out into the FA market and get paid to play LG and be the highest paid Guard in the league.

One way or another, he's pretty much a lock to head to FA. Time will tell if he finds better offers there or not.

I'm holding out hope that KO intends on signing the deal but he cant officially until the Flacco extension gets done bc it would put us over the cap.

Thinking that as soon as the Flacco deal is done, the KO domino falls right away.

[rmcjacket23]

3 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

I'm holding out hope that KO intends on signing the deal but he cant officially until the Flacco extension gets done bc it would put us over the cap.

Thinking that as soon as the Flacco deal is done, the KO domino falls right away.

One doesn't require the other until March 9th. We can be over the cap from now until March 9th at 4pm. So we can sign $100M worth of contracts in the next 9 days if we want to... we just have to shed that much in contracts before then.

I highly doubt KO signs our deal prior to seeing what FA brings.

[PolishRifle]

7 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

One doesn't require the other until March 9th. We can be over the cap from now until March 9th at 4pm. So we can sign $100M worth of contracts in the next 9 days if we want to... we just have to shed that much in contracts before then.

I highly doubt KO signs our deal prior to seeing what FA brings.

He probably would've signed his contract already, if the Ravens "agressive offer" was that tempting. I think most of us saw this coming, but I still hate to see him go.

[rmcjacket23]

4 minutes ago, PolishRifle said:

He probably would've signed his contract already, if the Ravens "agressive offer" was that tempting. I think most of us saw this coming, but I still hate to see him go.

Maybe.

1. Do we know for sure he wants to play LT? Maybe he just wants to be the highest paid Guard in the league, in which case the Ravens likely aren't interested.

2. Can we really say the Ravens offer is "aggressive" or even a good one if we don't know what his market is?

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

17 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

One doesn't require the other until March 9th. We can be over the cap from now until March 9th at 4pm. So we can sign $100M worth of contracts in the next 9 days if we want to... we just have to shed that much in contracts before then.

I highly doubt KO signs our deal prior to seeing what FA brings.

Didn't realize we could be over.... but should've since I knew we had the 2nd least amount of cap behind a team that was over the projected cap.

[usmccharles]

1 hour ago, rmcjacket23 said:

 

2. Can we really say the Ravens offer is "aggressive" or even a good one if we don't know what his market is?

I think we know that our "aggressive" offer isn't what he would get on the market.  He knows that we can't pay him as much as other teams, no reason not to test the market.  

Oakland and Jacksonville have a ton of money and could use OLine help.  

What kind of deal are you projecting hI'm to get from fa?

[allblackraven]

18 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Maybe.

2. Can we really say the Ravens offer is "aggressive" or even a good one if we don't know what his market is?

Can't blame Ravens on wording. With our cap space shape, every offer is aggressive.

[PurpleCity5]

I think we're dependent on Joe's deal to keep K.O. I think Eugene's 2.1 cap space will also contribute to it as well. 

[GrimCoconut]

8 hours ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Possibly, unless he has no intention of playing LT. There's no chance the Ravens pay him $9-10M to stay here and play LG. There's a good chance he could go out into the FA market and get paid to play LG and be the highest paid Guard in the league.

One way or another, he's pretty much a lock to head to FA. Time will tell if he finds better offers there or not.

That doesn't make sense. KO never said anything about playing LT before during the season. He sorta seemed to like playing LT if you read between the lines. Doesn't add up to me. 

http://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/article-1/Kelechi-Osemele-Auditioning-To-Be-Ravens-Long-Term-Left-Tackle/e7a5de9f-1136-4998-8655-ead6bf9b5cf0

“I’d definitely love to be the guy [at left tackle] for the Ravens and into the future as long as I can keep performing at a high level,” Osemele said.

“It’s my fourth year in the league now, so I feel like I can handle that responsibility. I’ll just keep working at it and I’ll get better at it. I’d love to play left tackle in the league.”

So, your notion that he may not want to play LT doesn't make much sense to me. 

Edited March 1, 2016 by GrimCoconut

[usmccharles]

4 hours ago, GrimCoconut said:

 

So, your notion that he may not want to play LT doesn't make much sense to me. 

Especially considering how much more money he can make at LT.  I wonder if it would be possibly to give him a shorter deal to try him at LT then revisit the deal. 

[GrimCoconut]

6 hours ago, usmccharles said:

Especially considering how much more money he can make at LT.  I wonder if it would be possibly to give him a shorter deal to try him at LT then revisit the deal. 

I don't think that makes sense for KO. He's what, 26? This is his big deal and payday. Why would he settle? He's a top guard in the NFL who just auditioned as a LT. I don't think he deserves top LT money off a few games myself, but if we're offering him an aggressive deal near $10M/year or even $9M then that's where he's likely to play. 

That said it makes no sense for KO to sign a one year deal on the cheap. Even if he looked horrible at LT he wouldn't do that. He's a proven LG so there's no reason he can't get paid top LG money. 

I think KO is waiting to see what other teams offer before he signs. I think he'd wait even if we offered him $10M a year. Why? Because he probably wants to be certain he's getting a fair shake. This is his big money maker and he should do what's smart. Find out what other teams are offering and decide. 

[AsianRice]

3 hours ago, GrimCoconut said:

I don't think that makes sense for KO. He's what, 26? This is his big deal and payday. Why would he settle? He's a top guard in the NFL who just auditioned as a LT. I don't think he deserves top LT money off a few games myself, but if we're offering him an aggressive deal near $10M/year or even $9M then that's where he's likely to play. 

That said it makes no sense for KO to sign a one year deal on the cheap. Even if he looked horrible at LT he wouldn't do that. He's a proven LG so there's no reason he can't get paid top LG money. 

I think KO is waiting to see what other teams offer before he signs. I think he'd wait even if we offered him $10M a year. Why? Because he probably wants to be certain he's getting a fair shake. This is his big money maker and he should do what's smart. Find out what other teams are offering and decide. 

Yep, he has to do what's good for him...it is business world..If it is 1mil difference, I think he would take the Ravens over other team.....if it is more than 2mil, i think he might consider leaving for the bigger pie...

[GrimCoconut]

Just now, AsianRice said:

Yep, he has to do what's good for him...it is business world..If it is 1mil difference, I think he would take the Ravens over other team.....if it is more than 2mil, i think he might consider leaving for the bigger pie...

Agreed. You have to do what's right for you in the end. If KO gets a deal from another team that's negligible, then I think he returns to the Ravens. I think he'll take a slight hometown discount if it's (our contract offer and their [the other team's] contract offer) close. If it's too far apart then KO goes to the other team. I feel pretty confident he returns. I'd say 65% likely to return, but I am an optimistic. Lol

[ravensnation5220]

6 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

Agreed. You have to do what's right for you in the end. If KO gets a deal from another team that's negligible, then I think he returns to the Ravens. I think he'll take a slight hometown discount if it's (our contract offer and their [the other team's] contract offer) close. If it's too far apart then KO goes to the other team. I feel pretty confident he returns. I'd say 65% likely to return, but I am an optimistic. Lol

I just really hope this doesnt force us to draft stanley. Id give Monroe another shot. Hes only 28 and is still productive when hes out there. Key word is when though, and its not that i wouldnt mind taking a tackle, just not stanley. Lol

[GrimCoconut]

2 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

I just really hope this doesnt force us to draft stanley. Id give Monroe another shot. Hes only 28 and is still productive when hes out there. Key word is when though, and its not that i wouldnt mind taking a tackle, just not stanley. Lol

I really like Stanley. I also like other LT prospects, which could be had a bit later, but I wouldn't necessarily pass on Stanley. I agree that I want us to re-sign KO, and I think there's a good chance it happens. I think KO wants to be here and we want him here. I also think the team recognizes the importance of getting more from the LT position and Monroe just can't seem to stay healthy and you have to wonder now if he is hitting a cliff and starting to break down. Some guys break down earlier than others and he may be that guy. We'll see if I am proven right or wrong, and I'll happily admit I am wrong if we don't re-sign KO, but I think we will and he'll be the LT this year. I wouldn't be surprised if we keep Monroe, however, as a back-up. We know what happens when you don't have depth and he'll only save us 2.1M to cut, so it's possible we cut him, but I can see him stick around as well even as depth. 

[edthehead]

question; 

the FO asked monroe to restructure and he chose not to, (read it somewhere do not remember).

Do you all think he has a problem with the RAVENS, or maybe he does not want to be here,

he did try to hold out for money (sorry no sir) and the team stood fast and we did sign him for the lo lo,

these whole monroe thing is kinda strange,

[ravensnation5220]

2 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

I really like Stanley. I also like other LT prospects, which could be had a bit later, but I wouldn't necessarily pass on Stanley. I agree that I want us to re-sign KO, and I think there's a good chance it happens. I think KO wants to be here and we want him here. I also think the team recognizes the importance of getting more from the LT position and Monroe just can't seem to stay healthy and you have to wonder now if he is hitting a cliff and starting to break down. Some guys break down earlier than others and he may be that guy. We'll see if I am proven right or wrong, and I'll happily admit I am wrong if we don't re-sign KO, but I think we will and he'll be the LT this year. I wouldn't be surprised if we keep Monroe, however, as a back-up. We know what happens when you don't have depth and he'll only save us 2.1M to cut, so it's possible we cut him, but I can see him stick around as well even as depth. 

I dont see us keeping monroe if we take stanley, no reason to pay a backup left tackle that kind of money, he could be a post june 1 cut and save 4 million or so i heard.

Im just not that high on stanley i guess. I dont like his attitude or work ethic, he seemed to be carrying a lot of extra weight at the combine and i kinda get a lazy feel about him. I dont think it will work out well with us

[rmcjacket23]

1 minute ago, ravensnation5220 said:

I dont see us keeping monroe if we take stanley, no reason to pay a backup left tackle that kind of money, he could be a post june 1 cut and save 4 million or so i heard.

Im just not that high on stanley i guess. I dont like his attitude or work ethic, he seemed to be carrying a lot of extra weight at the combine and i kinda get a lazy feel about him. I dont think it will work out well with us

I'd say its possible we pay both, but unlikely.

Given the struggles that rookie LTs typically have in the league, a lot of teams look to start a rookie like Stanley at RT (or in our case... possibly LG) in year 1 so he can get acclimated to the speed of the game. You play Monroe at LT in 2016, cut him after that season, and start Stanley at LT after that.

Jonathan Ogden did this, and recently, Greg Robinson did this as well when he was drafted #2 by the Rams. He played Guard in 2014 and then switched over to LT in 2015, though I will say that he was viewed as more of a "project" than a Stanley is.

[GrimCoconut]

13 minutes ago, ravensnation5220 said:

I just really hope this doesnt force us to draft stanley. Id give Monroe another shot. Hes only 28 and is still productive when hes out there. Key word is when though, and its not that i wouldnt mind taking a tackle, just not stanley. Lol

Flacco restructuring will play a role in the LT need. Here's the deal, right: if you restructure/extend Flacco, you are guaranteeing that he will be here as a Raven and as the starting QB because of the salary we are going to have to guarantee him. We will need to convert his base salary to a guaranteed salary for him to rework the deal, which means that he will still get his money only in a different way. As a result, do you want to throw your franchise QB out there on a hope and a prayer that he doesn't get hurt? No, you don't. You want to protect your financial investment into your franchise QB. As a result, this deal we will make with Flacco will marry us to him for the length of the deal. 

Monroe may be asked to take a paycut, and maybe he sticks around. Whether we retain KO or not doesn't much matter because I think it will likely spell a paycut request from the Ravens to Monroe regardless. Monroe had leverage last year because he came off of a good year in 2014 where he played well in the Kubiak system. Yeah, he had injuries, but it was hard to justify cutting him [Monroe], which is the only reason he would  take a pay cut. As a result, he wasn't afraid of the Ravens cutting him and didn't take a pay cut as a result. The threat of cutting Monroe is real if we retain KO, which means a pay cut is likely. So, if we lose KO we can draft a replacement in Stanley because we frankly need to in order to protect our financial investment into QB Joe Flacco after we likely rework his current deal. 

[allblackraven]

2 hours ago, ravensnation5220 said:

I just really hope this doesnt force us to draft stanley. Id give Monroe another shot. Hes only 28 and is still productive when hes out there. Key word is when though, and its not that i wouldnt mind taking a tackle, just not stanley. Lol

I'm amazed at how many people don't want Stanley and it's inexplicable to me. He is phenomenal talent and needs just a little improvement to his game. As a pass protector I think he might be top 3-4 of college tackles that came out in last 5 years, maybe more.

[PolishRifle]

3 hours ago, allblackraven said:

I'm amazed at how many people don't want Stanley and it's inexplicable to me. He is phenomenal talent and needs just a little improvement to his game. As a pass protector I think he might be top 3-4 of college tackles that came out in last 5 years, maybe more.

OT is not a sexy position. Ppl want to see a defensive player ("playmaker") get picked high, especially after how poorly our defense played last season. Dunno why. We won't get a dominant pass rusher in the first(the only sure pick is Bosa, imho) and the DB class seems super deep. We might as well sure up the OL and get a good corner in the second.

I like KO alot, but it's not like he is a proven OT. It's still a gamble to assume he'll be good for a whole season.

Speculations before the draft get crazy. I can't tell you how often I've changed my mind. I agree, that Stanley looks solid, though. He and Tunsil are not worlds apart and the Cowboys have shown what a great OL can do for a team.

Edited March 2, 2016 by PolishRifle

[usmccharles]

11 hours ago, allblackraven said:

I'm amazed at how many people don't want Stanley and it's inexplicable to me. He is phenomenal talent and needs just a little improvement to his game. As a pass protector I think he might be top 3-4 of college tackles that came out in last 5 years, maybe more.

I would be all for him, even if we retained KO, wouldn't be my first choice but our Oline would be stout, Dallas showed the importance of it. 

7 hours ago, PolishRifle said:

OT is not a sexy position. Ppl want to see a defensive player ("playmaker") get picked high, especially after how poorly our defense played last season. Dunno why. We won't get a dominant pass rusher in the first(the only sure pick is Bosa, imho) and the DB class seems super deep. We might as well sure up the OL and get a good corner in the second.

I like KO alot, but it's not like he is a proven OT. It's still a gamble to assume he'll be good for a whole season.

Speculations before the draft get crazy. I can't tell you how often I've changed my mind. I agree, that Stanley looks solid, though. He and Tunsil are not worlds apart and the Cowboys have shown what a great OL can do for a team.

I don't know if you meant LT, but he's considered one of the best guards in the league, easily. 

[BmoreBird22]

Multiple sources on the Bleacher Report team page are reporting the Ravens agreed in principal to a new three year deal through 2021

[usmccharles]

Boom got it done!

[Moderator 3]

Hensley says so, too.

The Ravens and QB Joe Flacco have agreed in principle to a three-year contract extension through 2021, a source... es.pn/1OPHTTa

 

[usmccharles]

Just gotta wait for details of the deal

[JO_75]

Should probably start a new thread and close this one to discuss the new extension.