Flacco the team player. Takes 3 year extension, lowers cap hit.

[rmcjacket23]

1 minute ago, Steve0x said:

What wrong with 2  Boldin and Smith would make Flacco look like Joe Montana. And Ngata would stop the running game and knock out QBs cold

No they wouldnt, just like they didn't when they were here. And we couldn't and wouldn't afford both since they both do the same thing.

Ngata hasn't gotten to QBs in years. That's the past, not the present or future.

[Steve0x]

Thats because we don't have enough linemen to penitrate to get to the QB.  

[usmccharles]

1 hour ago, Steve0x said:

Thats because we don't have enough linemen to penitrate to get to the QB.  

7 hours ago, Steve0x said:

I disagree. If Boldin or Ngata still play for Ravens they would have been an 9-7 team

 

6 hours ago, Steve0x said:

What wrong with 2  Boldin and Smith would make Flacco look like Joe Montana. And Ngata would stop the running game and knock out QBs cold

Sadly you are living in the past too much.  Like Jacket it said, Its Boldin or Smith, Smith has clearly been a better talent the last two years.  Also,  Ngata was at the end of his career, it showed it.  All you have to do is look at Ngata in Detroit, it was clear he wasn't himself and battled injuries all year long.  Maybe if Suggs never would of got injured, SSr and BP played all year...maybe....maybe then we could of won a couple more games but Ngata himself is not making up that much of a difference.  Oh yea, and if Joe, Forsett didn't get injured as well.  It was just a unlucky year and having Ngata wouldn't have changed that

 

[rmcjacket23]

4 hours ago, Steve0x said:

Thats because we don't have enough linemen to penitrate to get to the QB.  

And Ngata doesn't help that...

[usmccharles]

4 hours ago, Steve0x said:

Thats because we don't have enough linemen to penitrate to get to the QB.  

Brandon Williams is doing quite nice replacing Ngata.  he actually had more solo tackles than Ngata had total tackles....just saying

[Tank 92]

18 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

Brandon Williams is doing quite nice replacing Ngata.  he actually had more solo tackles than Ngata had total tackles....just saying

Brandon is a great player and played well last year, but he's not yet Haloti Ngata who is a physical freak of nature. How many picks did BW have?    lol

That said it's pretty obvious we would rather have Brandon than Haloti at this point in their careers.

[usmccharles]

4 minutes ago, Tank 92 said:

Brandon is a great player and played well last year, but he's not yet Haloti Ngata who is a physical freak of nature. How many picks did BW have?    lol

That said it's pretty obvious we would rather have Brandon than Haloti at this point in their careers.

In no way was I saying BW out played Ngata or is on his level yet, just that value wise it was easily the right call.  BW didn't have an INT, but either did Ngata this year. 

[Tank 92]

3 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

In no way was I saying BW out played Ngata or is on his level yet, just that value wise it was easily the right call.  BW didn't have an INT, but either did Ngata this year. 

Got it. 

Edited February 11, 2016 by Tank 92

[rmcjacket23]

58 minutes ago, Tank 92 said:

Brandon is a great player and played well last year, but he's not yet Haloti Ngata who is a physical freak of nature. How many picks did BW have?    lol

That said it's pretty obvious we would rather have Brandon than Haloti at this point in their careers.

Technically speaking, in an ideal scenario, they play different positions on the Dline. Brandon Williams is a true NT, who's job it is to basically take on double teams and create space for other rushers. Ngata played this position for several years due to us not having a good NT on the roster, and he did well with it, but you saw his pass rushing abilities diminish and he naturally appeared to get "lost" in games.

Ngata is better as a DT in a 3-4, where he's getting more one-on-one matchups.

[Tru11]

1 hour ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Technically speaking, in an ideal scenario, they play different positions on the Dline. Brandon Williams is a true NT, who's job it is to basically take on double teams and create space for other rushers. Ngata played this position for several years due to us not having a good NT on the roster, and he did well with it, but you saw his pass rushing abilities diminish and he naturally appeared to get "lost" in games.

Ngata is better as a DT in a 3-4, where he's getting more one-on-one matchups.

if only cody worked out.....

[757RavensFan]

There's exactly 27 days until the first day of free agency.  If there's any chance of re-signing KO, the time to re-negotiate Flacco's contract is getting very short. 

KO is 100% gone if Joe's deal isn't done by Mar 9th.  

 

[rmcjacket23]

1 minute ago, 757RavensFan said:

There's exactly 27 days until the first day of free agency.  If there's any chance of re-signing KO, the time to re-negotiate Flacco's contract is getting very short. 

KO is 100% gone if Joe's deal isn't done by Mar 9th.  

 

Correct. I'd actually say it would be the 7th instead of the 9th, since thats the legal "tampering" window.

I'm not sure we can compete to resign KO if he's allowed to start taking offers from other teams. We'd almost certainly have to lock him up before then.

[757RavensFan]

45 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Correct. I'd actually say it would be the 7th instead of the 9th, since thats the legal "tampering" window.

I'm not sure we can compete to resign KO if he's allowed to start taking offers from other teams. We'd almost certainly have to lock him up before then.

Thanks I forgot about that.  Even though it's a joke.  Torrey Smith knew he was going to SF probably a week before FA started.  

[rmcjacket23]

19 minutes ago, 757RavensFan said:

Thanks I forgot about that.  Even though it's a joke.  Torrey Smith knew he was going to SF probably a week before FA started.  

Not sure it was that far in advance...I remember his online post was on like the 8th or 9th of March I believe and FA opened on the 10th, so I think he made the decision within the tampering window, or at least made the decision public.

But yes, teams definitely at least discuss parameters of contracts outside of the window certainly.

[ellicottraven]

On 2/11/2016 at 10:38 AM, 757RavensFan said:

There's exactly 27 days until the first day of free agency.  If there's any chance of re-signing KO, the time to re-negotiate Flacco's contract is getting very short. 

KO is 100% gone if Joe's deal isn't done by Mar 9th.  

 

I don't think Ozzie and gang are making a real push to sign K.O. I'm sure they've relayed the parameters of a deal they're willing to live with to K.O's agent already but his agent perhaps wants to wait and test the market. My sense is (and I may be alone in this) that the Ravens really want Flacco to play at his existing cap number if they can work the cap around his number. It may not be feasible in the end, but based on what the brass has been saying from last year to now, it seems that they have planned for that eventuality all along. The reason for it I'm unsure. But, if I were to hazard a guess, it could be the after effects of the 'Pitta' situation in that Pitta was essentially the highest paid non-playing entity on the team. With Flacco's doube knee tear of the ACL and MCL, they perhaps want to see how he does before committing another huge sum of guaranteed money on him. I personally think that is prudent business frankly.

[Halshayeji]

On February 11, 2016 at 6:41 PM, rmcjacket23 said:

Correct. I'd actually say it would be the 7th instead of the 9th, since thats the legal "tampering" window.

I'm not sure we can compete to resign KO if he's allowed to start taking offers from other teams. We'd almost certainly have to lock him up before then.

It seems like everywhere I look, KO is being overlooked by the media. He's not even on some top 40 FA lists, which has given me some optimism of retaining KOs services. I think it's a 50/50 chance we make a good run for keeping him.

 

On the other hand, I'd Think that GMs around the league are a bit smarter and more logical than the media. KO is a pro bowl caliber LG and could comfortably slide to LT if needed. And he's not even in his prime. 

 

Do we really have a 50/50 chance or is is more like a 20 percent chance that we resign the guy.

[rmcjacket23]

16 hours ago, Halshayeji said:

It seems like everywhere I look, KO is being overlooked by the media. He's not even on some top 40 FA lists, which has given me some optimism of retaining KOs services. I think it's a 50/50 chance we make a good run for keeping him.

 

On the other hand, I'd Think that GMs around the league are a bit smarter and more logical than the media. KO is a pro bowl caliber LG and could comfortably slide to LT if needed. And he's not even in his prime. 

 

Do we really have a 50/50 chance or is is more like a 20 percent chance that we resign the guy.

As a guard, we have a 0% chance. As a LT, I'd say closer to like 25-30%. I'd have said 50/50 or better prior to post season press conference, but I didn't see anything from that suggesting that we were serious about signing KO as a LT.

[rudywasoffsides]

On 2/13/2016 at 9:07 PM, ellicottraven said:

I don't think Ozzie and gang are making a real push to sign K.O. I'm sure they've relayed the parameters of a deal they're willing to live with to K.O's agent already but his agent perhaps wants to wait and test the market. My sense is (and I may be alone in this) that the Ravens really want Flacco to play at his existing cap number if they can work the cap around his number. It may not be feasible in the end, but based on what the brass has been saying from last year to now, it seems that they have planned for that eventuality all along. The reason for it I'm unsure. But, if I were to hazard a guess, it could be the after effects of the 'Pitta' situation in that Pitta was essentially the highest paid non-playing entity on the team. With Flacco's doube knee tear of the ACL and MCL, they perhaps want to see how he does before committing another huge sum of guaranteed money on him. I personally think that is prudent business frankly.

Except the only thing is, Flacco is here for the next 5-7 years regardless. He is the face of our franchise for the foreseeable future. That much isn't debatable. If that is the understanding why not just make his whole contract guaranteed, but tack on a few extra years so it ends up paying him around 17 million per year which would help our cap out a ton. Give him a Tom Brady like contract.

[GrimCoconut]

On Thursday, February 11, 2016 at 2:36 AM, Steve0x said:

Thats because we don't have enough linemen to penitrate to get to the QB.  

Dean Pees doesn't frequently ask his DL to penetrate but asks them to two gap to eat up blockers. He used Ngata in this same way while he was here. Having Ngata or not has no bearing on whether we penetrate. 

[GrimCoconut]

On Thursday, February 11, 2016 at 10:41 AM, rmcjacket23 said:

Correct. I'd actually say it would be the 7th instead of the 9th, since thats the legal "tampering" window.

I'm not sure we can compete to resign KO if he's allowed to start taking offers from other teams. We'd almost certainly have to lock him up before then.

Well, I'm not sure about that. I can see the Ravens using the tampering period to set his [KO] value and then deciding whether to match it or not. We may prefer a wait and see approach because it means we don't have to rush to restructure a contract to keep a player we may be unable to retain anyway. 

I think our [Ravens] fear is restructuring/extending Joe's deal to keep a player we ultimately can't retain. So using the tampering window may yield beneficial for us. 

[lgcs27288]

On 2/11/2016 at 10:14 AM, Tru11 said:

if only cody worked out.....

As in panned out or lifted weights? 

[757RavensFan]

This is optimistic, if they weren't trying to get Joe's deal done by free agency, there wouldn't be a need to meet this weekend.  

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/02/22/ravens-flaccos-agent-likely-to-meet-this-weekend-on-revised-deal/

[berad]

57 minutes ago, 757RavensFan said:

This is optimistic, if they weren't trying to get Joe's deal done by free agency, there wouldn't be a need to meet this weekend.  

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/02/22/ravens-flaccos-agent-likely-to-meet-this-weekend-on-revised-deal/

I read somewhere that there was likely going to be a meeting at the combine, which would fit in this timeline. It's when the details were hashed out on Flacco's deal last time.

[JO_75]

1 hour ago, 757RavensFan said:

This is optimistic, if they weren't trying to get Joe's deal done by free agency, there wouldn't be a need to meet this weekend.  

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/02/22/ravens-flaccos-agent-likely-to-meet-this-weekend-on-revised-deal/

So the question here is, do we give Joe a new 5/6 year contract or restructure with a new contract to come say before the 2017 or 2018 season?

[JO_75]

1 hour ago, 757RavensFan said:

This is optimistic, if they weren't trying to get Joe's deal done by free agency, there wouldn't be a need to meet this weekend.  

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/02/22/ravens-flaccos-agent-likely-to-meet-this-weekend-on-revised-deal/

So the question here is, do we give Joe a new 5/6 year contract or restructure with a new contract to come say before the 2017 or 2018 season?

[JO_75]

1 hour ago, 757RavensFan said:

This is optimistic, if they weren't trying to get Joe's deal done by free agency, there wouldn't be a need to meet this weekend.  

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/02/22/ravens-flaccos-agent-likely-to-meet-this-weekend-on-revised-deal/

So the question here is, do we give Joe a new 5/6 year contract or restructure with a new contract to come say before the 2017 or 2018 season?

[GrimCoconut]

@JO_75

That certainly is the question(s), my friend. 

[K-Dog]

6 hours ago, 757RavensFan said:

 

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/02/22/ravens-flaccos-agent-likely-to-meet-this-weekend-on-revised-deal/

What an embarrassing picture of Flacco.

[sflegend89]

I believe a re-structure will get done (granted not an extremely significant one but it will help). Now if we could do something about Monroe, Webb, and Pitta's contracts.....

[rmcjacket23]

On 2/16/2016 at 0:49 PM, rudywasoffsides said:

Except the only thing is, Flacco is here for the next 5-7 years regardless. He is the face of our franchise for the foreseeable future. That much isn't debatable. If that is the understanding why not just make his whole contract guaranteed, but tack on a few extra years so it ends up paying him around 17 million per year which would help our cap out a ton. Give him a Tom Brady like contract.

Restructure accomplishes nothing. It's an extension or nothing at all.