Flacco the team player. Takes 3 year extension, lowers cap hit.

[usmccharles]

6 minutes ago, Hardbaugh said:

...I predicted he'd have his best year with Kubiak, now that Kubes has moved on it's back to old Joe. The Ravens should have been seeking the same type of compensation the Bengals received for Carson Palmer. Considering the dead money incurred by the Ravens for the previous deal his term would have been attractive for another team. The Ravens simply pay this guy too much for what he brings to the table.

Well Brock Osweiler is about to get roughly 15mill a year, I will glad pay 5 more a year for Joe.  Who would you prefer be our qb? im very curious.  I bet your a Matt Ryan fan. I don tknow how you can not be happy with Joe when it comes play off time, and we have missed the playoffs only twice since hes been here, not too bad

If this was the 2000 Ravens your argument would make sense, because we could win with anyone back there. But we are in a different era. 

Edited March 9, 2016 by usmccharles

[Tank 92]

2 hours ago, usmccharles said:

Im aware.  But im always intrigued on what fantasy land some of these Flacco haters live in.  I can get thinking we are over paying for him, that's fine.  But when people talk about trading him, cutting, etc...I would like to hear their plan, just so I can laugh. 

You know, its honestly like those people became Raven Fans right after we won the SB, so they seen a 8-8 year, then a very good year, then an aberration of a season so they think this is normal.  They don't remember the pre-flacco era

IDK, it's a real head scratcher.

[ellicottraven]

I think we need to stop being so cynical. The fact that Joe got paid what he did had more to do with the Ravens position and Flacco's leverage. Both parties understand that Flacco is no Brady, Manning, Brees or Rodgers. I'm sure his being the highest paid player had more to do with timing and leverage and the fact that the Ravens either signed him to an extension or risk losing him in 3 yrs or perhaps pay him an astronomical sum in 2018 regardless of how he performed.

So, they made a calculated judgment call, especially with the Cap going up by approx. 10% annually, that come 2018, his 22MM dollar figure will only account for 12-14% of the cap, which by the way is very manageable. After that I think Flacco will perhaps fall out of the top 7-8 in salary with extensions being signed by other QBs. I think the Ravens did what was in their best interest by locking him up till 2021. The other factor that may have played into paying him thus, could be the fact that Joe is a pretty honorable guy and will play through his current extension without complaints even if in 2020 he may find himself underpaid compared to other QBs.

As much as I think Joe is not deserving of being the highest paid QB because he simply isn't the best QB in the league, I think it was still a good and necessary move by the front office.

[beanfigger]

28 minutes ago, ellicottraven said:

I think we need to stop being so cynical. The fact that Joe got paid what he did had more to do with the Ravens position and Flacco's leverage. Both parties understand that Flacco is no Brady, Manning, Brees or Rodgers. I'm sure his being the highest paid player had more to do with timing and leverage and the fact that the Ravens either signed him to an extension or risk losing him in 3 yrs or perhaps pay him an astronomical sum in 2018 regardless of how he performed.

So, they made a calculated judgment call, especially with the Cap going up by approx. 10% annually, that come 2018, his 22MM dollar figure will only account for 12-14% of the cap, which by the way is very manageable. After that I think Flacco will perhaps fall out of the top 7-8 in salary with extensions being signed by other QBs. I think the Ravens did what was in their best interest by locking him up till 2021. The other factor that may have played into paying him thus, could be the fact that Joe is a pretty honorable guy and will play through his current extension without complaints even if in 2020 he may find himself underpaid compared to other QBs.

As much as I think Joe is not deserving of being the highest paid QB because he simply isn't the best QB in the league, I think it was still a good and necessary move by the front office.

Logic, and no belittling of board members or Ravens employees. A well thought out response...

 

I think you might be on the wrong thread, but this is a good post. I think this extension works for all involved. Glad it got done quickly.

[Winchester]

4 hours ago, usmccharles said:

Well Brock Osweiler is about to get roughly 15mill a year, I will glad pay 5 more a year for Joe.  Who would you prefer be our qb? im very curious.  I bet your a Matt Ryan fan. I don tknow how you can not be happy with Joe when it comes play off time, and we have missed the playoffs only twice since hes been here, not too bad

If this was the 2000 Ravens your argument would make sense, because we could win with anyone back there. But we are in a different era. 

Im as big as a Joe coolmfan you will find but not at $22m. $18-$19mil maybe??

[GrimCoconut]

Flacco isn't going anywhere. We just re-signed him. Complain all you want but he's not going anywhere. People got the right to complain, though. 

[usmccharles]

8 minutes ago, Winchester said:

Im as big as a Joe coolmfan you will find but not at $22m. $18-$19mil maybe??

a 3mill difference? what is that 4% of 155 million?  Thats not the reason we lost out on KO

[Winchester]

30 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

a 3mill difference? what is that 4% of 155 million?  Thats not the reason we lost out on KO

When you are against the salary wall it is a lot. Lost out on KO because of jimmy.

[757RavensFan]

2 minutes ago, Winchester said:

When you are against the salary wall it is a lot. Lost out on KO because of jimmy.

So you're blaming every player who rcv'd a big contract prior to this year as the reason why the FO didn't re-sign KO?

 

[GrimCoconut]

5 minutes ago, Winchester said:

When you are against the salary wall it is a lot. Lost out on KO because of jimmy.

I'll respectfully disagree. We lost out on KO because of money tied into Dennis Pitta. Had Monroe not suffered multiple injuries in consecutive years we wouldn't be missing KO because he probably would've been allowed to walk like others before. I love KO but that's the truth. 

We've been unfortunate with injuries to players with high cap consumption. Hopefully it stops. That said, I don't think Jimmy is the problem since he quietly improved down the stretch. I still attribute his early struggles to the Lisfranc. 

[757RavensFan]

2 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

I'll respectfully disagree. We lost out on KO because of money tied into Dennis Pitta. Had Monroe not suffered multiple injuries in consecutive years we wouldn't be missing KO because he probably would've been allowed to walk like others before. I love KO but that's the truth. 

We've been unfortunate with injuries to players with high cap consumption. Hopefully it stops. That said, I don't think Jimmy is the problem since he quietly improved down the stretch. I still attribute his early struggles to the Lisfranc. 

Both Smith and Wagner had early struggles that I contribute to their Lisfanc injuries.  They both got better as the season progressed. 

[Purple_City39]

15 minutes ago, Winchester said:

When you are against the salary wall it is a lot. Lost out on KO because of jimmy.

The Ravens offered KO more money than they offered Yanda in terms of average salary.  That's with Jimmy already having the contract you're now putting blame on.  KO wanting to be the highest paid guard in the league is the reason he's gone.  It was long since known that Baltimore wasn't going to be paying the top 2 guard salaries (average).

[Winchester]

12 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

I'll respectfully disagree. We lost out on KO because of money tied into Dennis Pitta. Had Monroe not suffered multiple injuries in consecutive years we wouldn't be missing KO because he probably would've been allowed to walk like others before. I love KO but that's the truth. 

We've been unfortunate with injuries to players with high cap consumption. Hopefully it stops. That said, I don't think Jimmy is the problem since he quietly improved down the stretch. I still attribute his early struggles to the Lisfranc. 

 

I never liked Monroe. I said he is tricking the ravens with OK play in 2013. He was erratic and inconsistent his complete career!! I hope he plays injury free so everybody can see the real Eugene. Jimmy same deal I was never a fan cuz of he is wildly erratic. He has bulked up and lost burst as well. He may have a couple good games but overall he will front himself to bea bad signing  my opinion. Would like Okung.

[GrimCoconut]

1 minute ago, Winchester said:

 

I never liked Monroe. I said he is tricking the ravens with OK play in 2013. He was erratic and inconsistent his complete career!! I hope he plays injury free so everybody can see the real Eugene. Jimmy same deal I was never a fan cuz of he is wildly erratic. He has bulked up and lost burst as well. He may have a couple good games but overall he will front himself to bea bad signing  my opinion. Would like Okung.

I've always liked Jimmy and he progressively played better every year so I'm not seeing how he's erratic. He struggled last year but he was coming off a serious injury. One of us will probably be proven right this year since he'll be two seasons removed from the Lisfranc. 

[757RavensFan]

15 minutes ago, Winchester said:

 

I never liked Monroe. I said he is tricking the ravens with OK play in 2013. He was erratic and inconsistent his complete career!! I hope he plays injury free so everybody can see the real Eugene. Jimmy same deal I was never a fan cuz of he is wildly erratic. He has bulked up and lost burst as well. He may have a couple good games but overall he will front himself to bea bad signing  my opinion. Would like Okung.

 

It's probably safe to change your profile pick now. IJS

[K-Dog]

No. We lost out on KO because beer prices are too low.

Every one needs to pay more for their beers

[flynismo]

52 minutes ago, Winchester said:

 

I never liked Monroe. I said he is tricking the ravens with OK play in 2013. He was erratic and inconsistent his complete career!! I hope he plays injury free so everybody can see the real Eugene. Jimmy same deal I was never a fan cuz of he is wildly erratic. He has bulked up and lost burst as well. He may have a couple good games but overall he will front himself to bea bad signing  my opinion. Would like Okung.

Hell hath frozen over; we are in agreement over something

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

9 hours ago, Winchester said:

Im as big as a Joe coolmfan you will find but not at $22m. $18-$19mil maybe??

Now that Osweiler got 4 years at $18mill... is $22mill for Flacco still crazy to you? Or would you rather save that $4mill so you can get a backup caliber player and have Brock as your starter? Bc thats the world the NFL lives in now.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

 

And on the Jimmy point, hes been inconsistent bc hes been injured. Its not an excuse, if anything its a knock, but as last year wore on he got better and better. Him and Wright were a large part of our pass defense becoming the best in the league over the final 8 games.

And seeing now what Janoris Jenkins got, Jimmy Smith is a STEAL.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

7 hours ago, GrimCoconut said:

I've always liked Jimmy and he progressively played better every year so I'm not seeing how he's erratic. He struggled last year but he was coming off a serious injury. One of us will probably be proven right this year since he'll be two seasons removed from the Lisfranc. 

Jimmy, when he's been healthy for a steady period of time has consistently been one of the best corners in the league. Unfortunately he has been injured frequently and that cant be ignored. But he absolutely did get better as the year wore on... he and Wright were big parts of our pass D becoming the top unit in the league over the last 8 games.

And considering what guys are getting now? Janoris Jenkins getting $12mill/year? Jimmy Smith is a steal on his current deal. And this year he will again prove to be a top 10 corner. And Wright WILL surprise people. I think he and Smith will be one of the best CB duos in the league. They will play off each other being long time friends... wanting to one-up each other. Give em a legit pass rush, get some speed at ILB to cover TE's and RB's and this D will be feared again.

Myles Jack or Joey Bosa would do wonders for this defense.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

14 hours ago, Winchester said:

When you are against the salary wall it is a lot. Lost out on KO because of jimmy.

If you June 1st Monroe and Pitta you'd have enough money to go after KO.... And when you have a good corner. You take him. Guards may be important but they're far easier to find. Good guards are oftentimes drafted in the mid rounds. You seldom see that for a tackle or corner. 

 

But that's $13 million for a GUARD. No thanks. I'm good. Even if you put him at tackle, that's more money than Joe Thomas. Who's a lot better than KO. 

 

You can give Ozzie crap all you want. There are three positions where he's usually money at. 

1. Guards

Grubbs

Yanda

Osemele

Urschel

Jensen

Are all good players. 

 

Hell, JAH REID developed into a good guard for another team. 

Oh. And Grubbs, Yanda, and Osemele were drafted before Castillo got here so don't give me your bs on how Castillo and the scouting department got him there. 

 

2. TEs.

Ed Dickson even had a solid year. But

Heap

Pitta

Maxx

Crockett turned into a decent one

Hell, Boyle looked good. 

 

3. Dlinmen

Brandon Williams

Timmy Jernigan

Ngata

Arthur Jones

 

Need I say more?
 

We're gonna be fine. Not cause I'm a homer. Simply returning to full health will make the team better. Add a pass rusher or two, and you could do things again. Defense played better towards the end. Flacco cleared up room. Go get him some help. 

[MTRavensFan]

Opinions are, by nature, biased. That's why they're opinions, not facts.

Can we please try to keep this conversation on-topic, which is Joe Flacco and his contract, not a discussion of every available free agent out there? There's already a thread for that:

http://boards.baltimoreravens.com/topic/67010-2016-free-agent-thread-other-teams/?page=12#comment-2357044

[Tank 92]

In light of recent signings Joe's deal looks great rather than just good and will look better and better as the years tick off. 

[usmccharles]

After what Brock Oseiler got, its going to be crazy to see what Carr and Luck get.  Bortles is coming up soon as well. 

[GrimCoconut]

58 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

After what Brock Oseiler got, its going to be crazy to see what Carr and Luck get.  Bortles is coming up soon as well. 

Yeah, I know. I fear what Luck gets paid. It was smart of us to do this with Joe when we did. We may have paid even more if they saw Brock getting 18M. 

[beanfigger]

49 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

Yeah, I know. I fear what Luck gets paid. It was smart of us to do this with Joe when we did. We may have paid even more if they saw Brock getting 18M. 

Flacco has exactly twice as many PLAYOFF wins as Brock has total wins as a starter. His contract is a big gamble, but the Texans needed to do it. They have a solid team, but no QB. We needed to do the Flacco deal, too, and it's now obvious we did NOT overpay.

[gooftroop]

The focus of the reporting about Joe's restructured contract is that he is, once again, the highest paid player when you break it down in a certain way. Contrast that with the reporting of Brady's new extension, where the narrative is Tom the Ultimate Team Player takes a pay cut. Oy...

[BmoreBird22]

5 hours ago, gooftroop said:

The focus of the reporting about Joe's restructured contract is that he is, once again, the highest paid player when you break it down in a certain way. Contrast that with the reporting of Brady's new extension, where the narrative is Tom the Ultimate Team Player takes a pay cut. Oy...

Didn't he get some massive signing bonus?

[757RavensFan]

2 hours ago, BmoreBird22 said:

Didn't he get some massive signing bonus?

$40M

 

 

[rmcjacket23]

8 hours ago, gooftroop said:

The focus of the reporting about Joe's restructured contract is that he is, once again, the highest paid player when you break it down in a certain way. Contrast that with the reporting of Brady's new extension, where the narrative is Tom the Ultimate Team Player takes a pay cut. Oy...

Not really...

1. His two year extension he signed is for $41M in new money...a $20.5M average. Hardly a massive paycut.

2. He got a $28M signing bonus, of which he will make $29M in 2016. He will, however, only make $1M in 2017.

3. The Pats wisely slashed his base salary to $1M in 2016, so if he's suspended, he will only lose $250K. Had the suspension been upheld last season, he would have lost $2M.