Flacco the team player. Takes 3 year extension, lowers cap hit.

[usmccharles]

5 hours ago, Wildabeast88 said:

With the 2000 Ravens D yes with this Ravens D no. We need Joe I'm fine with the money it's market value

I agree, we do need Joe.  Mainly asking the people who are complaining about what Joe is getting paid.   

52 minutes ago, Virginia 55 said:

Let me sat what cats on the board are to scared to say.  Because of the moderators or perhaps homers.  I would be happy if joe average took an average contract.  At his number he is expendable.   There is no more to it. We can honestly do without Joe at 20 anything  

OK forum hero,  What's an average contract? Especially one with a sb ring and mvp. I don't think anyone was scared to say that, just no one believes it

44 minutes ago, Virginia 55 said:

Dude your so Flacco gone no matter what he does or doesnt do on the field, you will make an excuse.  How can you truly be a Ravens fan and not care about the state of the Ravens.  Since his Superbowl run Flacco has had one good year and is getting paid like he is amongst the best in the league. But what do I know, time will tell, if I'm an aspiring player with potential I wouldn't wanna play on a team that is paying big dollars to an average QB. 

I agree Joe needs to lay better, but look what what what happened after the superbowl: traded away his best wr, coaching changes,  pitta injury,  etc. He had his best year in 2014 and gave us two opportunities opportunities to put the pats away, massive failure on defense.  Ssr doesn't mind playing with Joe.... So if thats the only kind of talent we get,  I'm happy

[Winchester]

12 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

I agree, we do need Joe.  Mainly asking the people who are complaining about what Joe is getting paid.   

OK forum hero,  What's an average contract? Especially one with a sb ring and mvp. I don't think anyone was scared to say that, just no one believes it

I agree Joe needs to lay better, but look what what what happened after the superbowl: traded away his best wr, coaching changes,  pitta injury,  etc. He had his best year in 2014 and gave us two opportunities opportunities to put the pats away, massive failure on defense.  Ssr doesn't mind playing with Joe.... So if thats the only kind of talent we get,  I'm happy

Happy with SS as the #1?? Yeah the defense was given a lead but the offense failed to add to it as well. Can not get a lead on a great offense and expect the defense to hold it while not scoring. The offense stalled in that game as well. One more TD while the patsies were charging and the patsies could not have overcome the lead.The defense can't shut down a great offense when you keep punting the ball to them

[flynismo]

44 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

OK forum hero,  What's an average contract? Especially one with a sb ring and mvp. I don't think anyone was scared to say that, just no one believes it

Thats cuz everyone is a homer, he just knows better than everyone else, FO included apparently

[flynismo]

21 hours ago, Edgar said:

Really

If he was supposed to play defense and protect both the leads he got us, you may have a point

[usmccharles]

35 minutes ago, Winchester said:

Happy with SS as the #1?? Yeah the defense was given a lead but the offense failed to add to it as well. Can not get a lead on a great offense and expect the defense to hold it while not scoring. The offense stalled in that game as well. One more TD while the patsies were charging and the patsies could not have overcome the lead.The defense can't shut down a great offense when you keep punting the ball to them

If we add 2 14 point leads,  clearly we didn't fail to add to it.   

[K-Dog]

3 hours ago, Virginia 55 said:

Dude your so Flacco gone no matter what he does or doesnt do on the field, you will make an excuse.  How can you truly be a Ravens fan and not care about the state of the Ravens.  Since his Superbowl run Flacco has had one good year and is getting paid like he is amongst the best in the league. But what do I know, time will tell, if I'm an aspiring player with potential I wouldn't wanna play on a team that is paying big dollars to an average QB. 

A) Please don't call me "dude"

B ) I do in fact care about the state of the Ravens.  I think your hang up is simple economics.  So you call Joe "average ". Fine. Can you find a QB that is better and would cost less long term ? There are worse QB's making more. 

 

[Tank 92]

Just now, K-Dog said:

A) Please don't call me "dude"

B ) I do in fact care about the state of the Ravens.  I think your hang up is simple economics.  So you call Joe "average ". Fine. Can you find a QB that is better and would cost less long term ? There are worse QB's making more. 

 

cmon dude(sorry lol), we coulda kept Tyrod for less.   geeesh.

[Winchester]

On 3/3/2016 at 11:51 AM, rmcjacket23 said:

Yeah, the third segment you listed doesn't really exist though.

Franchise QBs not on rookie deals cost at least $15M a year. There really aren't any exceptions to that rule. After that, fans are just whining about "well this guy makes $1M a year more than that guy" and blah blah blah. All irrelevant.

Plenty of mediocre offenses win SBs... we did just that in 2012. Its the defense that needs the biggest improvement.

Ravens do not have the cap space or enough draft picks to make the defense dominant anytime soon. Ravens would have to hit on every draft pick on defense. That 2000 defense was built with many round1 picksas well as several splash free agents. Average defenses win superbowls as well. On the back of a great offense. I understand defense is tradition but ravens are very close to a great offense.

[rmcjacket23]

50 minutes ago, Winchester said:

Ravens do not have the cap space or enough draft picks to make the defense dominant anytime soon. Ravens would have to hit on every draft pick on defense. That 2000 defense was built with many round1 picksas well as several splash free agents. Average defenses win superbowls as well. On the back of a great offense. I understand defense is tradition but ravens are very close to a great offense.

Also not a requirement to have a dominant defense either. We need improvement on both sides of the ball, hence why we were 5-11.

 

[A Fish Called Yanda]

6 hours ago, Winchester said:

Ravens do not have the cap space or enough draft picks to make the defense dominant anytime soon. Ravens would have to hit on every draft pick on defense. That 2000 defense was built with many round1 picksas well as several splash free agents. Average defenses win superbowls as well. On the back of a great offense. I understand defense is tradition but ravens are very close to a great offense.

Its actually somewhat interesting that our secondary improved so drastically at the end of last season.  If we manage to grab a pass rusher than can get in opposing QBs' faces, I think our defense is going to look very different.  We all know that the more time another team's QB has to hold on to the ball, the easier it is for them to exploit the flaws in your secondary.  Last year we had practically zero pass rush, and our opponents were able to hang on to the ball and wait for someone to get open.  If we manage to draft an immediate impact pass rusher to put in with Suggs and Doom, and that allows us to actually get some pressure on our opponent's passer, I think our defense will instantly become much more dominant (though yes, I do agree that we won't become dominant in a Denver kind of way).

[scrock]

A lot of the problems facing the team have to do with scouting, player development, the draft, the front office..
..Flacco would be way down on any list of why the Ravens haven't been consistently good after their SB win.

Flacco just has haters and always will...look around him, see the lack of talent on both sides of the ball, and it hasnt been his contract why we didnt have any, that excuse is inaccurate. I think Ozzie and those guys do a great job but lately we've missed on draft picks and had some bad luck...

Look at what Bradford and now Brock Osweiler is about to get a big jump in pay after 7? starts? they've done nothing..

[Winchester]

3 minutes ago, scrock said:

A lot of the problems facing the team have to do with scouting, player development, the draft, the front office..
..Flacco would be way down on any list of why the Ravens haven't been consistently good after their SB win.

Flacco just has haters and always will...look around him, see the lack of talent on both sides of the ball, and it hasnt been his contract why we didnt have any, that excuse is inaccurate. I think Ozzie and those guys do a great job but lately we've missed on draft picks and had some bad luck...

Look at what Bradford and now Brock Osweiler is about to get a big jump in pay after 7? starts? they've done nothing..

Using what rivals pay average QBs are getting is not really a good justification of what Joe got.lol Before paying any average QB $20mil I would prefer to take chances trading for a young talented qb like Mettenberger Murray or Garappolo and surround him with better talent. These teams are only trying to replace an average QB. Should not take a mathematician to figure out their chances are pretty good of finding a far cheaper QB that is as good or better. I mean McCarron throws for nearly 300 yards in his inaugural NFL start. And McCarron is a smart confident QB but is not fronting the arm talent of the aforementioned QBs.

[Tank 92]

2 hours ago, Winchester said:

Using what rivals pay average QBs are getting is not really a good justification of what Joe got.lol Before paying any average QB $20mil I would prefer to take chances trading for a young talented qb like Mettenberger Murray or Garappolo and surround him with better talent. These teams are only trying to replace an average QB. Should not take a mathematician to figure out their chances are pretty good of finding a far cheaper QB that is as good or better. I mean McCarron throws for nearly 300 yards in his inaugural NFL start. And McCarron is a smart confident QB but is not fronting the arm talent of the aforementioned QBs.

Average?  Ok, I'll bite. What other "average" QBs have anything resembling what's listed below on their resume? 

• Joe had the most wins (72) in the history of the NFL for a quarterback in his first seven seasons
• Joe has the fourth-most wins (85) in the NFL since 2008, trailing three likely Hall of Famers: Tom Brady (94), Peyton Manning (88) and Aaron Rodgers (87)
• Prior to his knee injury last November, Joe started 122-consecutive games, the fifth-longest streak for a quarterback in NFL history
• Joe’s 10 playoff victories are the most in the NFL since ’08, two more than Brady and three more than Rodgers and Russell Wilson
• Joe’s seven road playoff wins are the most ever by an NFL QB
• Our Super Bowl MVP has directed 24 end-of-game drives that earned Ravens victories
• Joe’s 104.1 playoff QB rating since 2010 is the best of any QB with at least three postseason start                                                                   

Edited March 6, 2016 by Tank 92

[Wildabeast88]

20 hours ago, Virginia 55 said:

Dude your so Flacco gone no matter what he does or doesnt do on the field, you will make an excuse.  How can you truly be a Ravens fan and not care about the state of the Ravens.  Since his Superbowl run Flacco has had one good year and is getting paid like he is amongst the best in the league. But what do I know, time will tell, if I'm an aspiring player with potential I wouldn't wanna play on a team that is paying big dollars to an average QB. 

Define average like Matt Ryan 1 playoff win with one of the top 3 WRs the best TE ever a really good 2 and a very good running game. Or like Andy Dalton who in January plays with One hand around his throat or Peyton Manning who has a 500 record in the playoffs, or Tony Romo with 1 playoff win please elaborate Joe has as many rings as Brees and Rodgers are they elite. Joe is good not the flashy Madden type numbers but when it counts he is money. If not for Lee Evans/Billy Cundiff Joe could have 2rings then is he elite. When he got hurt last year Joe was 6th in the league in passing is that elite. How long have you been a fan do you remember all the old QBs who were garbage that is why us old school guys appreciate Joe

[berad]

Please keep to the topic and away from swipes at each other. 

[Tank 92]

22 hours ago, Virginia 55 said:

Dude your so Flacco gone no matter what he does or doesnt do on the field, you will make an excuse.  How can you truly be a Ravens fan and not care about the state of the Ravens.  Since his Superbowl run Flacco has had one good year and is getting paid like he is amongst the best in the league. But what do I know, time will tell, if I'm an aspiring player with potential I wouldn't wanna play on a team that is paying big dollars to an average QB. 

Can't seem to get an answer to the question below. Since you think Flacco is an "average" QB, maybe you could help.

2 hours ago, Tank 92 said:

Average?  Ok, I'll bite. What other "average" QBs have anything resembling what's listed below on their resume? 

• Joe had the most wins (72) in the history of the NFL for a quarterback in his first seven seasons
• Joe has the fourth-most wins (85) in the NFL since 2008, trailing three likely Hall of Famers: Tom Brady (94), Peyton Manning (88) and Aaron Rodgers (87)
• Prior to his knee injury last November, Joe started 122-consecutive games, the fifth-longest streak for a quarterback in NFL history
• Joe’s 10 playoff victories are the most in the NFL since ’08, two more than Brady and three more than Rodgers and Russell Wilson
• Joe’s seven road playoff wins are the most ever by an NFL QB
• Our Super Bowl MVP has directed 24 end-of-game drives that earned Ravens victories
• Joe’s 104.1 playoff QB rating since 2010 is the best of any QB with at least three postseason start                                                                   

Anyone come to mind? 

[jimmypowder]

21 hours ago, usmccharles said:

And imo that Torrey pass was at least catchable.  He didn't even go up at all,  just  watched it.  

Yeah that was bad 

[1/28/01]

4 hours ago, Tank 92 said:

Average?  Ok, I'll bite. What other "average" QBs have anything resembling what's listed below on their resume? 

• Joe had the most wins (72) in the history of the NFL for a quarterback in his first seven seasons
• Joe has the fourth-most wins (85) in the NFL since 2008, trailing three likely Hall of Famers: Tom Brady (94), Peyton Manning (88) and Aaron Rodgers (87)
• Prior to his knee injury last November, Joe started 122-consecutive games, the fifth-longest streak for a quarterback in NFL history
• Joe’s 10 playoff victories are the most in the NFL since ’08, two more than Brady and three more than Rodgers and Russell Wilson
• Joe’s seven road playoff wins are the most ever by an NFL QB
• Our Super Bowl MVP has directed 24 end-of-game drives that earned Ravens victories
• Joe’s 104.1 playoff QB rating since 2010 is the best of any QB with at least three postseason start                                                                   

No horse in this race, but I  cannot stand team accomplishments attributed to an individual to help one's case. 

[Hardbaugh]

Yeah, Flacco the "Team Player"...LOL  Flacco feathered his own nest, the Ravens made him the highest paid QB in the game and has never shown himself over the course of any season to be worth it. 

Quest for mediocrity started with the Flacco resigning. Too much money going in his direction when some should be allocated elsewhere.

Edited March 6, 2016 by Hardbaugh

[Tank 92]

57 minutes ago, 1/28/01 said:

No horse in this race, but I  cannot stand team accomplishments attributed to an individual to help one's case. 

Then don't read them.   lol

I don't think anyone would suggest that some of that stuff isn't a team accomplishment, but that level of team consistency, especially post season, obviously couldn't be achieved with an "average" QB at the helm. And of course some of what is listed are individual accomplishments that clearly suggest at the least an "above average" player. And then there's stuff like the post season TD pass without a pick record(tied with Montana I think?). 

 

Edited March 6, 2016 by Tank 92

[rmcjacket23]

7 minutes ago, Hardbaugh said:

Yeah, Flacco the "Team Player"...LOL  Flacco feathered his own nest, the Ravens made him the highest paid QB in the game and has never shown himself over the course of any season to be worth it. 

Quest for mediocrity started with the Flacco resigning. Too much money going in his direction when some should be allocated elsewhere.

Lol, they're spending north of $130M on other players.

Perhaps the people getting some of that coin should just play better.

[Virginia 55]

On 3/3/2016 at 7:52 PM, 757RavensFan said:

Born and raised in Baltimore but living in the 757.  I had the priviledge of watching; both Vicks, Tyrod, Ronald Curry, EJ Maniel even Iverson play HS football in the 757.  So Im well aware of the talent that comes out of Hampton Roads and none of them hoisted the Lombardi. 

That aside, Flacco is the best QB Bmore has seen since Unitas. Don't get me wrong I'm no Flacco apologist, but he's an above average QB who got the ultimate prize 3 years ago.  Before yesterday there were QBs making more than Flacco who haven't come close to his success.

I know some of those guys that are from the 757. Nice you mentioned Ronald Curry he was my QB.   I'm just amazed at how you can endorse a guy off of essentially two good seasons. Im struggling to find a way to justify him still being our starter much less our savior.

 

I like Flacco but not at his current rate and the market is dictating what and a slightly above average Qb is getting now, I get that. 

But to see him as anything more than a slightly above average QB is unreal. Flacco needs major help to shine.  This means hes not worth his deal.  But rest assured this is the last negative post on him from me.  The deal is done i have to live with the result.  I'll just use my time to make sure we don't overspend on other positions of need. 

Anyone else reading this I wont respond on any more matters concerned with Flacco.  I don't want to hear anymore complaining about this guy.  He is your QB, deal with it. 

Edited March 7, 2016 by Virginia 55

[757RavensFan]

26 minutes ago, Virginia 55 said:

I know some of those guys that are from the 757. Nice you mentioned Ronald Curry he was my QB.   I'm just amazed at how you can endorse a guy off of essentially two good seasons. Im struggling to find a way to justify him still being our starter much less our savior.

 

I like Flacco but not at his current rate and the market is dictating what and a slightly above average Qb is getting now, I get that. 

But to see him as anything more than a slightly above average QB is unreal. Flacco needs major help to shine.  This means hes not worth his deal.  But rest assured this is the last negative post on him from me.  The deal is done i have to live with the result.  I'll just use my time to make sure we don't overspend on other positions of need. 

Anyone else reading this I wont respond on any more matters concerned with Flacco.  I don't want to hear anymore complaining about this guy.  He is your QB, deal with it. 

Go back and read my post, bc I basically said the EXACT same thing.  So I don't know what endorsement, you're referring to.

[PolishRifle]

10 minutes ago, 757RavensFan said:

Go back and read my post, bc I basically said the EXACT same thing.  So I don't know what endorsement, you're referring to.

Slightly above average is a very harsh judgment of Flacco's ability as a QB, I wouldn't even call him above average. He's a very good QB, just not a great one, who routinely has great games in the post season and whom the Ravens rarely surrounded with adequate weapons in the passing game to produce big numbers. A slightly above average QB is replaceable, I don't think the Ravens can replace Flacco, which is why I have no problem with this deal. There's no one in the draft or FA, who would be able to replace him and those who play the position better than Joe will never hit the FA market.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

11 hours ago, Winchester said:

Using what rivals pay average QBs are getting is not really a good justification of what Joe got.lol Before paying any average QB $20mil I would prefer to take chances trading for a young talented qb like Mettenberger Murray or Garappolo and surround him with better talent. These teams are only trying to replace an average QB. Should not take a mathematician to figure out their chances are pretty good of finding a far cheaper QB that is as good or better. I mean McCarron throws for nearly 300 yards in his inaugural NFL start. And McCarron is a smart confident QB but is not fronting the arm talent of the aforementioned QBs.

Fortunately for us, you're one of the only people that thinks Mettenberger, Murray, or Garappolo at QB is a good idea if you're actually trying to win football games.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

Brock Osweiler was offered a 3 year, $45 million deal from the Broncos. Granted the signing bonus, guaranteed portion wasnt reported... and I dont expect that it's much more than $21mill guaranteed... but still.

If that's what Brock's opening offer is after, what, 4 games of decent play on a LOADED team... how is Flacco overpaid?

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

59 minutes ago, Virginia 55 said:

I know some of those guys that are from the 757. Nice you mentioned Ronald Curry he was my QB.   I'm just amazed at how you can endorse a guy off of essentially two good seasons. Im struggling to find a way to justify him still being our starter much less our savior.

 

I like Flacco but not at his current rate and the market is dictating what and a slightly above average Qb is getting now, I get that. 

But to see him as anything more than a slightly above average QB is unreal. Flacco needs major help to shine.  This means hes not worth his deal.  But rest assured this is the last negative post on him from me.  The deal is done i have to live with the result.  I'll just use my time to make sure we don't overspend on other positions of need. 

Anyone else reading this I wont respond on any more matters concerned with Flacco.  I don't want to hear anymore complaining about this guy.  He is your QB, deal with it. 

Wait, what? Are you that self-absorbed that you actually think anything you say or do has any effect on what the Ravens will or wont do,  or will or won't spend?

If you're taking requests, can you make sure we offer KO $41.25mill over 5 years with $25mill guaranteed?

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

On ‎3‎/‎7‎/‎2016 at 9:20 PM, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Wait, what? Are you that self-absorbed that you actually think anything you say or do has any effect on what the Ravens will or wont do,  or will or won't spend?

If you're taking requests, can you make sure we offer KO $41.25mill over 5 years with $25mill guaranteed

 

Lol. I swear. Economics dictates that Flacco gets paid that much

[flynismo]

13 hours ago, 1/28/01 said:

No horse in this race, but I  cannot stand team accomplishments attributed to an individual to help one's case. 

Pretty much everything is a team accomplishment in football. Stats, wins...but when teams go through complete overhauls, and succeed every year, with the only constant being their QB (see Flacco, Brady, Manning)...well...where there's smoke, there's fire.

[Winchester]

Offer KO 5 yrs $50mil!!  He is going to be a top5 left tackle or better. He is the most devastating OLine player/Freak in the league today. Him and Jensen are going to be unfair playing side by side mauling opposing teams!! Rare combo of athleticism and intimidating power!! NFL defenses will not be harassing Joe cool. To busy trying not to get mauled!!