Flacco the team player. Takes 3 year extension, lowers cap hit.

[K-Dog]

5 minutes ago, Tank 92 said:

Well things get back to normal around here after Joe's extension. I really missed all of the "insightful" posts about his worth and play.

Tyrod would have signed for less...

Edited March 3, 2016 by K-Dog

[DomMcRaven]

12 minutes ago, K-Dog said:

I don't know wether to laugh or cry about some of the posts in this thread. 

 

It's even more sad we now have five more years to listen to haters gripe about Flacco.

Well, there is the ignore button.....

Laugh. Like I've said before, it's almost criminal to see QBs like Dalton with a better supporting cast than Flacco yet achieve less than him in the postseason. 

[757RavensFan]

2 hours ago, Virginia 55 said:

I have no idea why everyone is so giddy about Flacco. Flacco is an average QB that is cashing in on his team.  If you guys don't wake up soon we are going to be the washington Redskins from 18 years ago. SMH

 

The Flacco love is terrible.  2 good seasons in sevens years.  CMON MAN!  757 I really cant believe you live in the tidewater area approving this.  We ball in Virginia!

Born and raised in Baltimore but living in the 757.  I had the priviledge of watching; both Vicks, Tyrod, Ronald Curry, EJ Maniel even Iverson play HS football in the 757.  So Im well aware of the talent that comes out of Hampton Roads and none of them hoisted the Lombardi. 

That aside, Flacco is the best QB Bmore has seen since Unitas. Don't get me wrong I'm no Flacco apologist, but he's an above average QB who got the ultimate prize 3 years ago.  Before yesterday there were QBs making more than Flacco who haven't come close to his success.

[B-more Ravor]

Full breakdown of Flacco's deal:

[GrimCoconut]

7 minutes ago, B-more Ravor said:

Full breakdown of Flacco's deal:

That's not so bad. 2020 is a bit rough but hopefully things are a bit better cap-wise by then. I don't think we have anyone on the books atm beyond 2020 anyway, do we? Lol. 

[Cville-Raven]

The tears in this thread are delicious

[1/28/01]

How do you hide this upvote/downvote crap?  Seeing all these morons downvoting every other post is annoying. 

[baltimorefan328]

21 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

That's not so bad. 2020 is a bit rough but hopefully things are a bit better cap-wise by then. I don't think we have anyone on the books atm beyond 2020 anyway, do we? Lol. 

Ha I don't believe so.  Also as (if) the cap continues to increase, signing players or getting extensions like this done early becomes more important.  Having Flacco signed for that many years means the Ravens no longer have to worry about paying him (would be the same for any player, Flacco is just the obvious present example) the market rate as the cap increases to reflect that increase.  

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

3 hours ago, Virginia 55 said:

I have no idea why everyone is so giddy about Flacco. Flacco is an average QB that is cashing in on his team.  If you guys don't wake up soon we are going to be the washington Redskins from 18 years ago. SMH

 

The Flacco love is terrible.  2 good seasons in sevens years.  CMON MAN!  757 I really cant believe you live in the tidewater area approving this.  We ball in Virginia!

You clearly do not understand basic economics. The market determine Flacco's value. When Sam Bradford is getting as much as he is and being significantly worse than Flacco, we did not have much choice. Sorry. But you need a QB in this league and whether you like to  admit it or not, Flacco is more than capable of winning

[Inqui]

36 minutes ago, B-more Ravor said:

Full breakdown of Flacco's deal:

Thanks for posting those numbers, where did you get them?

It's nice to see the FO starting to flatten deals out a bit (rather than waiting to be held over a barrel because of a massive hit in the final two years). How does the dead money each season stack up to the previous deal? It's interesting to see how it gets dramatically reduced each year, which should give the FO a little more leverage to negotiate the next deal. Unless dead money figures for a QB contract like that are par for the course, in which case ignore me.

[lgcs27288]

42 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

That's not so bad. 2020 is a bit rough but hopefully things are a bit better cap-wise by then. I don't think we have anyone on the books atm beyond 2020 anyway, do we? Lol. 

I think we will address his contract situation again by 2020. By then he will be 35 and we would hopefully begin looking for his successor or extend him once more and make him a Raven for life.

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

47 minutes ago, GrimCoconut said:

That's not so bad. 2020 is a bit rough but hopefully things are a bit better cap-wise by then. I don't think we have anyone on the books atm beyond 2020 anyway, do we? Lol. 

Also keep in mind, with the way the cap has been rising, the cap limit will be $30mill + higher than it is now.

[JO_75]

6 hours ago, Purple_Polo89 said:

If you guys want a good laugh check out this crap on Flacco's contract 

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/03/nfl-overpaid-players-joe-flacco-sam-bradford-ndamukong-suh-baltimore-ravens-philadelphia-eagles-worst-contracts?hootPostID=2b831379b7065f5717595c45fd813249

I was reading Walter Football's grade for his new contract and I thought it was funny how he thought Joe should have took less to ensure the Ravens are a contender each year. We have been contending each year since we drafted Joe in 2008, and even when he got his first big contract we were still contending. 2013 saw us miss the playoffs by one game, and in 2014 we returned to the playoffs finally beating Pittsburgh in Pittsburgh in the playoffs and were knocking on Indianapolis' door to play them in the AFC Championship Game if it wasn't for Deflate Gate. Then 2015 saw us have the worst luck I have ever seen us have. Bad calls kept negating good plays, cost us 3 games(Raiders, Jaguars, Dolphins) and we were the most competitive 5-11 team I had ever seen. 9 of our losses were by single digits, all winnable games.

Flacco's contract didn't kill us like everyone thought, I mean we could be the Saints where they keep releasing players, doing nothing about Bree's big cap hit only making them more bad of a team.

[harfordravenfan]

2 hours ago, lgcs27288 said:

I think we will address his contract situation again by 2020. By then he will be 35 and we would hopefully begin looking for his successor or extend him once more and make him a Raven for life.

During flacco's interview, he talked about leveling it off and that it wouldn't need to be redone till 2020 (thought it was interesting he talked about redoing his contract a year early)

[beanfigger]

5 hours ago, GrimCoconut said:

That's not so bad. 2020 is a bit rough but hopefully things are a bit better cap-wise by then. I don't think we have anyone on the books atm beyond 2020 anyway, do we? Lol. 

Well, if nothing good happens between now and then with him, it appears he would be cut before anything else, saving us like $20M against the cap. However, if he does well and we contend year after year again like most rational people believe, that type of hit won't hurt so bad, meaning it would be worth it. Perhaps another extension to reach the likely end of his career could even be reached before that season in that case, even.

[Winchester]

I get the arguments for and against Joe cool getting all that money. While I am as big a Joe Cool fan as you will find and I understand the market determines money I do not agree with average QBs being payed $20mil a yr.  And I do not agree with top10 or so QBs getting money of the elite like Brady Rodgers Brees. Rodgers can take a subpar defense and rookie WRs and get into the playoffs. Joe so far can not. Joe for yrs got into the playoffs with a good defense. Joe( and any QB for the matter) needs players around him to win a championship. When thevqb is getting that much money it makes it very tough to do!! A team would need to do exceptionally awesome in the draft. And as everybody can see the ravens are a stretch to say average drafting of late. So how could anybody expect a championship when there is not a chance the players can be put in place for a Superbowl. The team has many holes and not enough cap space or draft picks to fill those holes. Now left tackle could be a huge need as well!!  Is Joe going to carry a bad defense and offense?? That is reason I'm all for keeping KO to run with the best and dominating intimidating OLine and throwing in a couple good playmakers and fronting a dominating OLine and prolific and balanced offense and winning a lot of shootouts. And the offense carrying the defense til the defense can add several playmakers!! Anyways back to paying Joe. I can not say I'm in favor of paying Joe that kinda buying power. But then again how much could really be saved if going by market value?? My opinion if Joe is a team player he could of chimed in and  taken $2mil or so per yr less to put players around him. But then again nobody could really be to angry cuz it is the market. If anything blame the teams paying Dalton's Tanehills and Bradfords $18-20mil a yr!! These teams are incompetent!! Gms and it's scouts need to do their jobs and show some nerve!! Do not pay these scrubs $20mil a yr!! Before paying Bradford or Tannehill $20mil, these teams need to take their chances with a young QB making less than a $mil a yr and surround him with talent!! Like trade for a Mettenberger, Aaron Murray or Garappolo!! Do their jobs and scout the backups around the league and college QBs!! It is easier to play QB with the modern rules!! Backups all around the league are making their initial start and throwing for 250 and 300 yards. McCarron a round6 pick threw for 280 yards his first start.What has Osweiler done to command $15mil a year or more?? He played no better than McCarron. His team won a Superbowl behind a defense!! How does that justify him getting big money??  Would McCarron get $20mil for winning a couple games?? If coaches would of taken the cuffs off McCarron he could of outperformed Osweiler. Some team needs to be the trendsetter. Refuse to pay an average QB $20mil and find an alternative that can play for dirt cheap. Surround him with talent and make a playoff run after refusing to pay a Tannehill or Bradford. It will definitely intereste teams around the NFL and prevent teams from paying average QBs.

[usmccharles]

7 minutes ago, Winchester said:

I get the arguments for and against Joe cool getting all that money. While I am as big a Joe Cool fan as you will find and I understand the market determines money I do not agree with average QBs being payed $20mil a yr.  

I don't agree with it either, but, as you stated, that's the market value.  I have no issue with us paying Joe what we pay him

[PolishRifle]

23 minutes ago, Winchester said:

I get the arguments for and against Joe cool getting all that money. While I am as big a Joe Cool fan as you will find and I understand the market determines money

Your argument ends there. We're not competing for championships without Joe Flacco and we won't find anyone of Joe Flacco's caliber in FA or the draft easily, if at all. There is one Aaron Rodgers, Brees and Brady in the league and their respective teams won't part ways with them. So there is just Joe Flacco and the Ravens have to pay him top dollar to keep him on the roster. Don't worry some QB, who isn't as good as Joe will inevitably get more money eventually.

[MrDelDante]

We're obviously a better team WITH Flacco that WITHOUT him. Happy this deal is done and we've freed some cap room. Hopefully this helps with getting Tucker and possibly KO signed, or even making a FA splash.

[rudywasoffsides]

11 hours ago, B-more Ravor said:

Full breakdown of Flacco's deal:

Ok this at least makes me feel a bit better about signing him since the cap hits are pretty flat, unlike his last contract, and I expect the total cap number to keep increasing. Maybe not as much as it has been going up these past few years, but it will go up some and make those numbers more manageable. With that said, you guys are all talking about how we had to pay him this because Bradford got 18 million and Cousins got 19 million. The difference is those guys got 2 years and 1 year deals! Sure they overpaid for them and I would much rather have Flacco than either of them, but if they totally stink this year those teams can cut them and move on for 2017 no problem! If Flacco comes back as a different player, we are stuck with him til 2020. Coming off a major injury I am surprised there is not more hesitation to us being married to Flacco til at least 2020 without seeing how he bounced back from the ACL surgery. I understand he isn't a running QB so it makes it less of a big deal, but he still has to regain confidence in the knee to be able to perform in the pocket and be mentally ok to take a hit and know the knee will be fine. As much as it might not sound like it, I am a Flacco fan and will be excited to watch him and the team this year and hope he helps us rebound in a big way and get back to the playoffs. I am rooting for him and hope he comes back with a vengeance, I guess I am just worried about if he doesn't. I love Flacco enough to be totally good with this contract if he didn't get hurt. It is all about the recovery from the injury and the unknowns about not seeing him play before giving him this deal. Don't neg me too hard haha

Edited March 3, 2016 by rudywasoffsides

[Ravenseconbeast]

4 hours ago, PolishRifle said:

Your argument ends there. We're not competing for championships without Joe Flacco and we won't find anyone of Joe Flacco's caliber in FA or the draft easily, if at all. 

Let's just state this as a 'fact' because clearly there will not be another QB better than Flacco until 2021*sarcasm*

[DomMcRaven]

5 hours ago, Winchester said:

I get the arguments for and against Joe cool getting all that money. While I am as big a Joe Cool fan as you will find and I understand the market determines money I do not agree with average QBs being payed $20mil a yr.  And I do not agree with top10 or so QBs getting money of the elite like Brady Rodgers Brees. Rodgers can take a subpar defense and rookie WRs and get into the playoffs. Joe so far can not. Joe for yrs got into the playoffs with a good defense. Joe( and any QB for the matter) needs players around him to win a championship. When thevqb is getting that much money it makes it very tough to do!! Now left tackle could be a huge need as well!!  Is Joe going to carry a bad defense and offense?? That is reason I'm all for keeping KO to run with the best and dominating intimidating OLine and throwing in a couple good playmakers and fronting a dominating OLine and prolific and balanced offense and winning a lot of shootouts. Surround him with talent and make a playoff run after refusing to pay a Tannehill or Bradford. It will definitely intereste teams around the NFL and prevent teams from paying average QBs.

I hear ya about the market determining how much QBs make nowadays, but here's the thing about Rodgers this past season: they basically limped into the playoffs. Their offense was mediocre at best with the absence of Jordy Nelson. Cobb is surely not a #1. Losing to the Bears and Lions at home? I don't get that. I understand they're divisional rivals, but the Pack tend to have a lot of success against their divisional rivals at home. 

As for Joe, I disagree about the defense. That 2012 defense was bad. Surely they played better during the playoffs, but Flacco was on a tear. Let us also not forget that the defense almost blew a 28-6 lead thanks, in large part, to the power outage. 11TDs with no INTS? Sheesh. They're definitely not scrubs, but Boldin, Torrey, Jacoby, Pitta, weren't considered superstars either. Collectively, they were a really decent corps and we know the rest of the story. Flacco doesn't need top 10 WRs + TEs to produce. Just, as you said, provide him with decent talent.  

[usmccharles]

1 hour ago, rudywasoffsides said:

Ok this at least makes me feel a bit better about signing him since the cap hits are pretty flat, unlike his last contract, and I expect the total cap number to keep increasing. Maybe not as much as it has been going up these past few years, but it will go up some and make those numbers more manageable. With that said, you guys are all talking about how we had to pay him this because Bradford got 18 million and Cousins got 19 million. The difference is those guys got 2 years and 1 year deals! Sure they overpaid for them and I would much rather have Flacco than either of them, but if they totally stink this year those teams can cut them and move on for 2017 no problem! If Flacco comes back as a different player, we are stuck with him til 2020. Coming off a major injury I am surprised there is not more hesitation to us being married to Flacco til at least 2020 without seeing how he bounced back from the ACL surgery. I understand he isn't a running QB so it makes it less of a big deal, but he still has to regain confidence in the knee to be able to perform in the pocket and be mentally ok to take a hit and know the knee will be fine. As much as it might not sound like it, I am a Flacco fan and will be excited to watch him and the team this year and hope he helps us rebound in a big way and get back to the playoffs. I am rooting for him and hope he comes back with a vengeance, I guess I am just worried about if he doesn't. I love Flacco enough to be totally good with this contract if he didn't get hurt. It is all about the recovery from the injury and the unknowns about not seeing him play before giving him this deal. Don't neg me too hard haha

I think the reason why most aren't worried about the ACL injury (or at least me) is because those knee injuries aren't as devastating as they used to be thanks to advances in the medical fields.  Hes not a running QB, yes he does have to plant his leg and step into throws but look at how many RBs have had the same injury, came back and haven't missed a beat.  With the way our Offense is headed, putting up franchise record numbers the last two years, expect Joes stats to improve and to look better, therefore if we did only sign him to two more years and he lights it up, well hello new massive contract. 

I understand why some people hate to pay Joe as much as we do because Rodgers, Brees, Luck (soon), Ben...put up massive numbers and Joe doesn't.  Rodgers and Brees have the same amount of rings as Joe and Joe is easily the better post season qb. 

Edited March 3, 2016 by usmccharles

[1/28/01]

Its absurd what an average to above average NFL QB can make.  A $40M signing bonus?  Yikes! 

Like others have said, I'd rather have him than not (and be dealing with a QB carousel again), but the money he's making is ridiculous for what we actually get on an individual basis, meaning not as team accomplishments. 

[usmccharles]

4 minutes ago, DomMcRaven said:

I hear ya about the market determining how much QBs make nowadays, but here's the thing about Rodgers this past season: they basically limped into the playoffs. Their offense was mediocre at best with the absence of Jordy Nelson. Cobb is surely not a #1. Losing to the Bears and Lions at home? I don't get that. I understand they're divisional rivals, but the Pack tend to have a lot of success against their divisional rivals at home. 

As for Joe, I disagree about the defense. That 2012 defense was bad. Surely they played better during the playoffs, but Flacco was on a tear. Let us also not forget that the defense almost blew a 28-6 lead thanks, in large part, to the power outage. 11TDs with no INTS? Sheesh. They're definitely not scrubs, but Boldin, Torrey, Jacoby, Pitta, weren't considered superstars either. Collectively, they were a really decent corps and we know the rest of the story. Flacco doesn't need top 10 WRs + TEs to produce. Just, as you said, provide him with decent talent.  

This.  Everyone wants to keep saying how great Rodgers is, but hes only got one SB, is he the next Peyton Manning (incredible regular season, terrible post season)?  I would love to see Joe with Jordy Nelson and Randal Cobb...Julio and Roddy. 

[usmccharles]

3 minutes ago, 1/28/01 said:

Its absurd what an average to above average NFL QB can make.  A $40M signing bonus?  Yikes! 

Like others have said, I'd rather have him than not (and be dealing with a QB carousel again), but the money he's making is ridiculous for what we actually get on an individual basis, meaning not as team accomplishments. 

Do you think we could get the same results at QB from a rookie? or Ryan Mallet?

[rmcjacket23]

12 hours ago, B-more Ravor said:

Full breakdown of Flacco's deal:

Looks like the offseason of 2020 will be an interesting time. Joe would be 35 going on 36 I believe, have a big cap hit, and have relatively little dead money and a ton of cap savings.

My guess is we start looking at another possible extension or potentially even look at moving in another direction by that time. I don't suspect Flacco is the type of QB who's still going to be really good when he's 40, so will be interesting when we get to that period.

Good news is I don't suspect we will be talking about doing anything with Joe's deal for at least 3-4 more years. 

[usmccharles]

5 minutes ago, rmcjacket23 said:

Looks like the offseason of 2020 will be an interesting time. Joe would be 35 going on 36 I believe, have a big cap hit, and have relatively little dead money and a ton of cap savings.

My guess is we start looking at another possible extension or potentially even look at moving in another direction by that time. I don't suspect Flacco is the type of QB who's still going to be really good when he's 40, so will be interesting when we get to that period.

Good news is I don't suspect we will be talking about doing anything with Joe's deal for at least 3-4 more years. 

Considering everyone else's contracts, (suggs, webb, jimmy, yanda)  do you see a off season where we will have some decent spending money?  Im just hoping we are out of cap hell soon

[rmcjacket23]

11 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

Considering everyone else's contracts, (suggs, webb, jimmy, yanda)  do you see a off season where we will have some decent spending money?  Im just hoping we are out of cap hell soon

Probably not. We probably will never have $20-30M in cap space to spend. In theory, we will cut or not resign some players, but we also logically have some decent sized extensions coming up at some point in the near future also.

Some of the "old guard" will be leaving in the next few years (Suggs, Dumervil, Yanda, etc.), but no idea whether they'll be replaced by draft picks or by cheaper FA.

I'm sure there will be a time in the future when we may have like $10-15M to spend in an offseason, but the only scenario I see where we have gigantic amounts of cap space involves either Joe not being on the team or us basically gutting the roster from several years of poor performance.

Being in "cap hell" is all relative. If you asked the FO this offseason, I guarantee they'd tell you they are far from being in cap hell. Prior years were more "dire" than this season from the FO's perspective. Probably has more to do with the FO not being too concerned about retaining our own FAs this offseason, since we really only have two "key" one's. 

Edited March 3, 2016 by rmcjacket23

[DomMcRaven]

30 minutes ago, usmccharles said:

This.  Everyone wants to keep saying how great Rodgers is, but hes only got one SB, is he the next Peyton Manning (incredible regular season, terrible post season)?  I would love to see Joe with Jordy Nelson and Randal Cobb...Julio and Roddy. 

Right?! This is why I'm rooting for Perriman to succeed. Had to be tough on him with that injury, but hopefully he should be ready to go. How Matt Ryan could have one playoff victory with having Julio, Roddy, and Tony Gonzalez as your weapons is beyond me.