Flacco the team player. Takes 3 year extension, lowers cap hit.

[PolishRifle]

10 minutes ago, Cillmatic said:

Because finding a replacement Quarterback is SO easy in 2016.

To be fair, the Ravens do have an excellent history of drafting and developing QBs.

[Alexir]

Can't tell if Spotrac is updated or not, does that mean we have 6 million in cap space or 12 million?

Edited March 2, 2016 by Alexir

[rmcjacket23]

42 minutes ago, BOLDnPurPnBlacK said:

Still dont think it makes sense to cut Monroe if we can resign KO. While it saves us a little cap space, it carries a lot of dead money. If we do it post June 1, it doesnt help us much in FA other than some bargain signings late or during the season (which we've seen can be necessary admittedly) and carries dead money to next year as well.

I'd much prefer we keep both, and if Monroe can stay healthy play him at LT with KO at LG for one more year, the next offseason when theres much larger savings cut Monroe and slide KO over. It gives us the ability to play our best oline combo this coming year when protecting Joe is at a premium, allows us to recoup the biggest cap savings when we ultimately cut Monroe, and we keep our great Oline depth.

KO has said he wants to be the highest paid guard in the league... and i think thats bc he still sees himself as a LG. If we can resign KO without cutting Monroe I just dont see any sense in cutting him, especially if KO wants to or is at least ok with playing LG.

But the reality is that the $2M in cap savings from cutting Monroe could make up a significant chunk of KO's first year cap hit, so we very well may need that space.

Could be the difference in cutting somebody else. Plus, there's a zero percent change we are retaining KO to play LG. 

[allblackraven]

6 minutes ago, Alexir said:

Can't tell if Spotrac is updated or not, does that mean we have 6 million in cap space or 12 million?

Seems to be for 2016. The rest of Flacco's 6 year contract/cap figures is wrecked

[Ravens4Real]

11 minutes ago, Alexir said:

Can't tell if Spotrac is updated or not, does that mean we have 6 million in cap space or 12 million?

The $6 mill is the correct figure. We only had around $2.5 after franchise taging Tucker. With Flacco saving 6 and the tender on Aiken, the Ravens should be sitting around $6 mill, I believe.

Sporttrac is updated. We are sitting at $8.5 mill. We still need to tender Ailen like I said.

I don't know how the Ravens got into such a crappy position. All the years of making fun of other teams kicking their cans of cap down the road and we are in a worse spot.

We still need to make cuts to some guys and sign our free agents and draft picks. We will be right up against the cap again.

[Purple_City39]

1 minute ago, Ravens4Real said:

The $6 mill is the correct figure. We only had around $2.5 after franchise taging Tucker. With Flacco saving 6 and the tender on Aiken, the Ravens should be sitting around $6 mill, I believe.

Sporttrac is updated. We are sitting at $8.5 mill. We still need to tender Ailen like I said.

I don't know how the Ravens got into such a crappy position. All the years of making fun of other teams kicking their cans of cap down the road and we are in a worse spot.

We still need to make cuts to some guys and sign our free agents and draft picks. We will be right up against the cap again.

Basically never having to pay for a franchise QB is the reason we could always talk about other teams having bad cap situations.  Now that we have one, that cap hit is making the difference

[rmcjacket23]

8 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

Seems to be for 2016. The rest of Flacco's 6 year contract/cap figures is wrecked

Spotrac doesn't have the 2017-2021 salary figures yet, which is why its not updated.

[rmcjacket23]

1 minute ago, Purple_City39 said:

Basically never having to pay for a franchise QB is the reason we could always talk about other teams having bad cap situations.  Now that we have one, that cap hit is making the difference

Well, yes, it is. 

But the key is to have ascending players playing on cheap rookie deals surrounding the QB, which we don't really have that many of.

That's how a team like Denver can be so good with Peyton Manning taking up $18-20M in cap space. When you got guys like Von Miller playing on well-below market value contracts, you can withstand large cap hits from QBs.

 

[Ravens4Real]

The Ravens are going to have to cut more guys than expected or get very creative with KO's contract structure if he is expected to get sign. With 7 picks in the first 4 rounds, that $6 mill is going to be used on our draft class. 

I have no clue how many guys they are going to have to cut.

That extra $3 mill they expected to get off of Flaccos cap is going to be huge.

[rmcjacket23]

6 minutes ago, Ravens4Real said:

The Ravens are going to have to cut more guys than expected or get very creative with KO's contract structure if he is expected to get sign. With 7 picks in the first 4 rounds, that $6 mill is going to be used on our draft class. 

I have no clue how many guys they are going to have to cut.

That extra $3 mill they expected to get off of Flaccos cap is going to be huge.

Yes, cuts are coming. There's a handful of "obvious" names that will create some significant space. Expect those names to come out in the next 5-6 days or sooner.

[rudywasoffsides]

But we paid him more than Rodgers? He hasn't performed that well 2 of the past 3 years. I don't understand how we didn't negotiate this better and guilt him into taking less money. Shoot we have the 6th pick in the draft, we could have threatened to draft a QB or leaked news that he wanted to be the top paid QB to get him to take less like the Giants did with Eli! Make no mistake, I want Flacco and I get the going price had to be above what the Eagles paid Bradford because Joe is obviously in another league than Flacco, but at the same time I think we could have gotten him a bit cheaper than this

[rmcjacket23]

6 minutes ago, rudywasoffsides said:

But we paid him more than Rodgers? He hasn't performed that well 2 of the past 3 years. I don't understand how we didn't negotiate this better and guilt him into taking less money. Shoot we have the 6th pick in the draft, we could have threatened to draft a QB or leaked news that he wanted to be the top paid QB to get him to take less like the Giants did with Eli! Make no mistake, I want Flacco and I get the going price had to be above what the Eagles paid Bradford because Joe is obviously in another league than Flacco, but at the same time I think we could have gotten him a bit cheaper than this

How much cheaper? Like a $1M a year over six years?

Is that really worth the risk of alienating your franchise player?

Not like we were going to get him to take some kind of $15M a year deal or anything like that.

[rudywasoffsides]

1 minute ago, rmcjacket23 said:

How much cheaper? Like a $1M a year over six years?

Is that really worth the risk of alienating your franchise player?

Not like we were going to get him to take some kind of $15M a year deal or anything like that.

Why? The Pats got Brady to do that. What are the cap hits each year we now have Joe under contract? I would be less opposed to this deal after seeing how Joe comes back from tearing his ACL. He has a ton to prove coming back from injury with the highest contract in the league despite not playing well and the Ravens not winning 2 out of the past 3 seasons.

[PolishRifle]

29 minutes ago, rudywasoffsides said:

But we paid him more than Rodgers? He hasn't performed that well 2 of the past 3 years. I don't understand how we didn't negotiate this better and guilt him into taking less money. Shoot we have the 6th pick in the draft, we could have threatened to draft a QB or leaked news that he wanted to be the top paid QB to get him to take less like the Giants did with Eli! Make no mistake, I want Flacco and I get the going price had to be above what the Eagles paid Bradford because Joe is obviously in another league than Flacco, but at the same time I think we could have gotten him a bit cheaper than this

Yeah, threaten him with drafting Carson Wentz and Jared Goff. That's like taking someone hostage and threatening to shoot yourself, if you don't get paid. "Hey man, you better pay or I don't know what I'm gonna do to myself!"

Edited March 2, 2016 by PolishRifle

[jbwnbf]

21 minutes ago, rudywasoffsides said:

Why? The Pats got Brady to do that. What are the cap hits each year we now have Joe under contract? I would be less opposed to this deal after seeing how Joe comes back from tearing his ACL. He has a ton to prove coming back from injury with the highest contract in the league despite not playing well and the Ravens not winning 2 out of the past 3 seasons.

Brady is like 8 years older. Plus his wife has a pretty good income, I think 44 million last year alone.

[jimmypowder]

1 hour ago, PolishRifle said:

To be fair, the Ravens do have an excellent history of drafting and developing QBs.

Dripping in sarcasm .And Flacco is an elite QB but even elite QB's need help. Just ask MVP Cam Newton when his oline 

was a sieve during the Super Bowl .He looked terrible, just like Joe has when his oline doesn't perform. 

[rmcjacket23]

41 minutes ago, rudywasoffsides said:

Why? The Pats got Brady to do that. What are the cap hits each year we now have Joe under contract? I would be less opposed to this deal after seeing how Joe comes back from tearing his ACL. He has a ton to prove coming back from injury with the highest contract in the league despite not playing well and the Ravens not winning 2 out of the past 3 seasons.

Brady's also had like 8 market value contracts already and makes less money than his wife does.

He's also quite literally the only example of a player doing that. Brees hasn't and won't do that, neither will Rodgers.

[redlobster]

1 hour ago, Ravens4Real said:

The Ravens are going to have to cut more guys than expected or get very creative with KO's contract structure if he is expected to get sign. With 7 picks in the first 4 rounds, that $6 mill is going to be used on our draft class. 

I have no clue how many guys they are going to have to cut.

That extra $3 mill they expected to get off of Flaccos cap is going to be huge.

I wouldn't worry too much about that draft class figure, they can cut pitta post june 1st and use that money, once freed, towards those picks. Between Pitta and signing Tucker to a long term deal would probably give you about $6million in cap space.

Edited March 2, 2016 by redlobster

[Cillmatic]

If we only have $8 million in cap space how do we expect to sign KO, tender Aiken, draft AND be active in FA as Ozzie said we would?

[Gordo52]

Awesome. Don't even care about the numbers.

Next: Lock up K.O. 

[Purple_Polo89]

If you guys want a good laugh check out this crap on Flacco's contract 

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/03/nfl-overpaid-players-joe-flacco-sam-bradford-ndamukong-suh-baltimore-ravens-philadelphia-eagles-worst-contracts?hootPostID=2b831379b7065f5717595c45fd813249

[Purple_City39]

4 minutes ago, Cillmatic said:

If we only have $8 million in cap space how do we expect to sign KO, tender Aiken, draft AND be active in FA as Ozzie said we would?

Draft picks can be signed with a post june 1st cut as they usually don't start signing until end of May at the earliest.  We never go after the big names so getting a free agent for around a 2M cap hit in the first year isn't that hard.  Basically, with 8M, they can tender Aiken and sign a few of the usual types of players.  I expect KO to walk since he's demanding so much money.  Then again I never expected him to even get an offer so who knows

[Wildabeast88]

2 hours ago, Ravenseconbeast said:

Why?? He had one barely permissable season after SB.

 

Only difference now is he doesn't have kubiak, regressed, and with torn MCL/ACL.

What is point.  Deals alrdy done.  Screw it.

Well in 2013 he had no one to throw to 2014 was good and before he got hurt he was 6th in the league in passing yards at the point he was hurt Aiken and Williams hadn't done anything so now he has weapons again I think he will be fine and its a fair deal Cousins got 20 a year it will be fine

[Virginia 55]

I have no idea why everyone is so giddy about Flacco. Flacco is an average QB that is cashing in on his team.  If you guys don't wake up soon we are going to be the washington Redskins from 18 years ago. SMH

 

The Flacco love is terrible.  2 good seasons in sevens years.  CMON MAN!  757 I really cant believe you live in the tidewater area approving this.  We ball in Virginia!

Edited March 2, 2016 by Virginia 55

[MTRavensFan]

1 hour ago, PolishRifle said:

Yeah, threaten him with drafting Carson Wentz and Jared Goff. That's like taking someone hostage and threatening to shoot yourself, if you don't get paid. "Hey man, you better pay or I don't know what I'm gonna do to myself!"

So let me get this straight -SAM BRADFORD gets a 2yr deal w/$28mil guaranteed, so he's making $28+ this year, and earlier this week Heath Evans on NFLN (yeah, I know, world's biggest moron) was saying that now, BROCK OSWEILER will be looking for that kind of $, and people are STILL complaining about Flacco?

LMAO.

[rmcjacket23]

17 minutes ago, Virginia 55 said:

I have no idea why everyone is so giddy about Flacco. Flacco is an average QB that is cashing in on his team.  If you guys don't wake up soon we are going to be the washington Redskins from 18 years ago. SMH

 

The Flacco love is terrible.  2 good seasons in sevens years.  CMON MAN!  757 I really cant believe you live in the tidewater area approving this.  We ball in Virginia! 

Welcome to the NFL. You got 20 QBs making north of $15M, and another half dozen starters on rookie deals.

You can't get a serviceable QB for less than about $18M a year these days, and certainly not one who dominates the postseason like Joe does

I do agree that some of you need to wake up though. The league is passing some of you by...

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

1 hour ago, rudywasoffsides said:

But we paid him more than Rodgers? He hasn't performed that well 2 of the past 3 years. I don't understand how we didn't negotiate this better and guilt him into taking less money. Shoot we have the 6th pick in the draft, we could have threatened to draft a QB or leaked news that he wanted to be the top paid QB to get him to take less like the Giants did with Eli! Make no mistake, I want Flacco and I get the going price had to be above what the Eagles paid Bradford because Joe is obviously in another league than Flacco, but at the same time I think we could have gotten him a bit cheaper than this

He didnt have to do an extension. He could have stood pat at $28 mill. We had no leverage at all... If we draft a QB he still stays on the team and makes $28mill. If we cut him, the cap hit goes up.

So he had all the leverage, and its not just about the $6mill we save this year... we save $7mill next year, and then even out his cap hit over the remainder of the deal so as the cap ceiling rises his cap hit becomes more and more manageable so long as his play doesnt fall off a cliff. As other teams are signing marginal QBs to $30mill deals we'll still have Flacco at $24mill or less.

Not sure of the specific details, but after a quick glance and briefly calculating the changes, I think 2018 will be the only year with a really high number, I think around what Brees will have this year, and then the final 3 years should drop back down to around $22mill. I could be thinking about that wrong though

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

57 minutes ago, Cillmatic said:

If we only have $8 million in cap space how do we expect to sign KO, tender Aiken, draft AND be active in FA as Ozzie said we would?

We'll have more than $8mill. Expect a run of cuts to come down over the next week and to open up around $13-15 mill.

If we can sign KO, the 1st years cap hit wont be that high... Likely $4.5 mill or so. Might get Tucker's long term deal which would open up some more space. Instead of just tendering Aiken, I could see them working out a reasonable 2-3 year deal. 

So you could theoretically sign KO and still easily have $8mill or more in space. And you've got a few post June 1st cuts that could be made if more space is needed later on.

Ozzie planned on getting things done even if he didnt have this $6mill... and clearly that included an aggressive offer to KO. So, they'll have whatever space they need.

[K-Dog]

I don't know wether to laugh or cry about some of the posts in this thread. 

 

It's even more sad we now have five more years to listen to haters gripe about Flacco.

Well, there is the ignore button.....

[Tank 92]

Well things get back to normal around here after Joe's extension. I really missed all of the "insightful" posts about his worth and play.