Is Kamar Aiken worth a 2nd round tender?

[codizzle]

Can't see him getting a 2nd round tender unless we free up some space or are really just that desperate because of the uncertainty of Steve and Perriman

[PurpleCity5]

The fact that Aiken was an undrafted FA makes it easier for any team to swoop in and attack. If a team gives Aiken an offer sheet(which I believe he would sign), then it would throw our FA approach in a curve. With WR being such a position of need given the lack of quality players at the position and playmakers, it would be a big blow for us to lose him. You just can't afford to lose him.

Edited January 20, 2016 by PurpleCity5

[757RavensFan]

The fact that Aiken was an undrafted FA makes it easier for any team to swoop in and attack. If a team gives Aiken an offer sheet(which I believe he would sign), then it would throw our FA approach in a curve. With WR being such a position of need given the lack of quality players at the position and playmakers, it would be a big blow for us to lose him. You just can't afford to lose him.

 

 

That's if the Ravens put a low round tender on him. If they do that and a team gives Aiken an offer sheet, the Ravens still have the Right of First Refusal and can match that offer.  But I honestly feel the Ravens will protect him w/ the 2nd round tender. 

[terrynjulia03]

I think they have to. 2M for a solid #3 receiver is not alot.

[PurpleCity5]

That's if the Ravens put a low round tender on him. If they do that and a team gives Aiken an offer sheet, the Ravens still have the Right of First Refusal and can match that offer. But I honestly feel the Ravens will protect him w/ the 2nd round tender.

We could match any deal but that could slow down our progress in re-signing K.O or Tucker.

[JO_75]

Granted I know cap reasons kept us from keeping Torrey but let's put it like this. Torrey Smith was 26 when we let him go, he'll be 27 in just a week or so. Aiken is the same age as Torrey but doesn't turn 27 until May. We knew what Torrey brought to the table, and we missed that this year. Do we want to risk Aiken leaving and us in the same hole at WR we were in this past season?

 

$2M is well worth a 27 year old WR who has produced for us. Yes we'll still need the draft to find that true number one but for this season, $2M is worth it. No team would be stupid to give up a second for him so we'll have the time to work out a reasonable contract extension with him as well. 

 

I would go as far as even giving him the first round tender, $3M is what we are paying Steve Smith so why not ensure we keep Aiken and have the first shot at giving him a new contract.

[Purple_City39]

Granted I know cap reasons kept us from keeping Torrey but let's put it like this. Torrey Smith was 26 when we let him go, he'll be 27 in just a week or so. Aiken is the same age as Torrey but doesn't turn 27 until May. We knew what Torrey brought to the table, and we missed that this year. Do we want to risk Aiken leaving and us in the same hole at WR we were in this past season?

 

$2M is well worth a 27 year old WR who has produced for us. Yes we'll still need the draft to find that true number one but for this season, $2M is worth it. No team would be stupid to give up a second for him so we'll have the time to work out a reasonable contract extension with him as well. 

 

I would go as far as even giving him the first round tender, $3M is what we are paying Steve Smith so why not ensure we keep Aiken and have the first shot at giving him a new contract.

Let's not go that far.  Nobody will try and claim him for a second rounder.  Why spend the extra million when you don't have to?  Aiken is not that hot of a free agent

[757RavensFan]

We could match any deal but that could slow down our progress in re-signing K.O or Tucker.

 

Pretty certain they'll put the franchise tag on Tucker this year. 

[GrimCoconut]

Granted I know cap reasons kept us from keeping Torrey but let's put it like this. Torrey Smith was 26 when we let him go, he'll be 27 in just a week or so. Aiken is the same age as Torrey but doesn't turn 27 until May. We knew what Torrey brought to the table, and we missed that this year. Do we want to risk Aiken leaving and us in the same hole at WR we were in this past season?

 

$2M is well worth a 27 year old WR who has produced for us. Yes we'll still need the draft to find that true number one but for this season, $2M is worth it. No team would be stupid to give up a second for him so we'll have the time to work out a reasonable contract extension with him as well. 

 

I would go as far as even giving him the first round tender, $3M is what we are paying Steve Smith so why not ensure we keep Aiken and have the first shot at giving him a new contract.

Let's not go that far.  Nobody will try and claim him for a second rounder.  Why spend the extra million when you don't have to?  Aiken is not that hot of a free agent

As Purple_City39 said, there's no reason to put a first round tender on him. That's overkill. I'd be surprised if someone poached him for a second rounder. This rarely happens. There's really no need to do it. Nobody took Tucker when he was given a 2nd round tender. Nobody will take Aiken. They'd be insane to do that. I like Aiken, too, but a 1st round tender is a waste of cap space. If someone is willing to give us a 2nd for him, well, I may very well just take that deal. 

Edited January 20, 2016 by GrimCoconut

[Tank 92]

When you have nothing something is worth something. lol

 

 

Quoting this to repeat.  

 

I think it's pretty much a given they will place a second round tender.

[Willbacker]

Does anybody know when this decision has to be made?

 

To me he's worth a 2nd rd tender. He was the best receiver we had for the 2nd half of the season and the best part was he stayed healthy plus he has SpTeams experience.

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[flynismo]

I'd love to get the 2nd round compensation for him

[thieverycorporation]

He got about 1/3 of his targets during the first half of the season. Nearly half his targets actually came out after Joe went down, which is pretty incredible because if you think about it, that means he was a security blanket for the younger quarterbacks. He was averaging about 10 targets per game, which is about 1/3 of the attempts per game from those quarterbacks. 

 

I wouldn't risk him and I truly do think he's worth a second round tender.

At worst we lose him and gain a 2nd rounder. I don't think anybody going to give up a second rounder for someone who has been inconsistent. If we lost him we'd still be able to acquire someone else that maybe has similar or greater value. Besides cuts will happen and that's a guarantee. So whatever savings would be calculated into his salary for the tender. Really to me seems like a non issue. We don't exactly have many current roster options currently with all the dead money and Flacco's contract which has yet to be addressed. I really doubt they would let it get to that point anyway. He'll be offered a contract or tendered to recoup his perceived value. Ozzie is always looking for draft picks and that's another method to acquire one. 

[thieverycorporation]

True but if we let him go, we have an even bigger question mark at receiver and I didn't even think that was possible. If you ask me we have no choice, if Aiken goes we'll be relying on a 37 year old guy coming off injury a guy who has literally no game experience at all, possibly 1 or more rookies and or a veteran that's probably less reliable than a rookie.

All true @ this point. He does offer more upside then all other options barring a major FA pickup and/ or trade. I say tender him and let the chips fall were they may. It's really a win win situation. He stays he knows the playbook he goes you get a higher rated draft pick and allocated money to secure a FA cut from team. Either way I see the Ravens being prepared as Ozzie always pulls a rabbit out of the hat. Lastly a second pick is just money draft capital to maneuver in the draft if warranted. It's seems like a Belichick move. 

[OUravensfan]

Thanks guys for explaining that. I knew it was something like that

[Winchester]

How much is a round2 tender?? I would not give him anything significant. Everybody knows I see anything less than a championship a failure. And the ravens are not going to win anything with Aiken as a top receiver. If the QB was very mediocre teams will be thinking he is Mr right now not Mr. Right. He could be a #4 perhaps #3. But no significant money until he tops or matches his performance. We have seen these fly by night receivers RBs QBs sneak up on everybody and play decent for a year. Aiken in my opinion should not even be considered til the team knows who the #1 and #2 is for a shootout Superbowl run!! Ravens need to think about the future anchor of the OLine as well before the #4 or #3 receiver.

[GrimCoconut]

How much is a round2 tender?? I would not give him anything significant. Everybody knows I see anything less than a championship a failure. And the ravens are not going to win anything with Aiken as a top receiver. If the QB was very mediocre teams will be thinking he is Mr right now not Mr. Right. He could be a #4 perhaps #3. But no significant money until he tops or matches his performance. We have seen these fly by night receivers RBs QBs sneak up on everybody and play decent for a year. Aiken in my opinion should not even be considered til the team knows who the #1 and #2 is for a shootout Superbowl run!! Ravens need to think about the future anchor of the OLine as well before the #4 or #3 receiver.

I wanna say $2.6M-ish

[757RavensFan]

How much is a round2 tender?? I would not give him anything significant. Everybody knows I see anything less than a championship a failure. And the ravens are not going to win anything with Aiken as a top receiver. If the QB was very mediocre teams will be thinking he is Mr right now not Mr. Right. He could be a #4 perhaps #3. But no significant money until he tops or matches his performance. We have seen these fly by night receivers RBs QBs sneak up on everybody and play decent for a year. Aiken in my opinion should not even be considered til the team knows who the #1 and #2 is for a shootout Superbowl run!! Ravens need to think about the future anchor of the OLine as well before the #4 or #3 receiver.

 

Round two tender is roughly $2.5M.  In my opinion he's earned that. 

 

But yet you're campaigning for Campanaro to be on the team who has 12 catches in TWO years. Meanwhile Aiken was 60 yards short of 1000 yards and you feel he needs to match his performance before he gets a decent contract? He's definitely durable considering he started and played in all 16 games this season, Camp, not so much. 

Edited January 21, 2016 by 757RavensFan

[Winchester]

Round two tender is roughly $2.5M.  In my opinion he's earned that. 

 

But yet you're campaigning for Campanaro to be on the team who has 12 catches in TWO years. Meanwhile Aiken was 60 yards short of 1000 yards and you feel he needs to match his performance before he gets a decent contract? He's definitely durable considering he started and played in all 16 games this season, Camp, not so much.

Campanaro is under contract and has the talent to be an impact player. I would bring Aiken back at round2 as long as the cost for signing him is not KO. Just remember the ravens will draft a receiver in first 2 rounds. Perriman will return,Campanaro will be return and SS will be back. So if Campanaro, Perriman,SS and a top rookie all play,where will that leave miss right now once the prettier more dynamic girls come around into the picture.

[elemento]

To me he's earned. I want him back. 

[RavensFanMania]

In that sense, yeah. I'm more doubting that we'd tender him at the original round with the intent of trying to keep him on the tender. It's extension or 2nd round tender for me.

I'm fine with a 2nd round tender but hopefully we can keep him on a team friendly deal for two or three years.

[allblackraven]

He's a keeper, definitely. 2nd round tender is the least he's earned. If we are in little better salary cap situation, I would sign him to longer term deal. Maybe next year?

[757RavensFan]

Campanaro is under contract and has the talent to be an impact player. I would bring Aiken back at round2 as long as the cost for signing him is not KO. Just remember the ravens will draft a receiver in first 2 rounds. Perriman will return,Campanaro will be return and SS will be back. So if Campanaro, Perriman,SS and a top rookie all play,where will that leave miss right now once the prettier more dynamic girls come around into the picture.

 

The fact that you put Campanaro ahead of Aiken in your scenario is laughable. Camp wasn't even ahead of Aiken at the beginning of this season when he WAS healthy. Barring injury to Aiken, what makes you think Camp is gonna be ahead of Aiken on the depth chart going into the 2016 season? You really need to give it a break.   

Edited January 21, 2016 by 757RavensFan

[Winchester]

I'm fine with a 2nd round tender but hopefully we can keep him on a team friendly deal for two or three years.

Why?? One more guaranteed contract to a player that flashed for a year??What is one more contract owed out right. And everybody is so surprised there is no money to retain impact pro bowlers in his prime. There is no guarantee Aiken will exceed or even match his performance. Not every player matches a good year. Not to mention lets focus on a true #1 playmaker and his partner before throwing contracts to a #4 or 3 receiver. Like I said what happens to miss right now when the more dynamic prettier girls come around and enter the picture?? The ravens will draft a receiver in first2 rounds or trade a round2 for young established playmaker. Then Perriman Campanaro and SS will return. My opinion Tread Perriman and Campanaro will be complimenting targets. Treads will be the vaccum over the middle and sidelines,Perriman the big play guy that can win at the intermediate level as well. And Campanaro the chains mover that can win at intermediate level as well as respectable big play speed and athleticism. Peeps tend to forget Campanaro owns a 40 inch vertical!! Not to mention Treads big play skills must be respected because he is like a Hoover vaccum 40 yards away as well. And Joe Cool has the arm to put it where he can go get it. And I hear Maxx is really already looking better and faster than he did at minicamp!! Only question is can Buck step his game up and run a little tougher with vision. If ravens retain KO the OLine will blast the holes for him while the defense is spread out containing the receivers TEs and Buck. And that is before SS role is considered much less Aiken.

[Winchester]

The fact that you put Campanaro ahead of Aiken in your scenario is laughable. Camp wasn't even ahead of Aiken at the beginning of this season when he WAS healthy. Barring injury to Aiken, what makes you think Camp is gonna be ahead of Aiken on the depth chart going into the 2016 season? You really need to give it a break.

Campanaro is faster and more explosive than Aiken. And has better separation skill. Aiken was this year's version of Marlon when he was forced the ball. Aiken played all 16 games and was productive this year. Doesn't necessarily mean he is better than everybody he outproduced this year!! There are receivers around the league this year not eclipsing 500 yards but has the skill and will approach 1500 yards.

[757RavensFan]

Campanaro is faster and more explosive than Aiken. And has better separation skill. Aiken was this year's version of Marlon when he was forced the ball. Aiken played all 16 games and was productive this year. Doesn't necessarily mean he is better than everybody he outproduced this year!! There are receivers around the league this year not eclipsing 500 yards but has the skill and will approach 1500 yards.

 

You still didn't answer the question, why wasn't a healthy Camp ahead of Aiken this season when the season started.  Aiken was a day 1 starter and Camp had to compete for playing time w/ the guys on the bench. 

[rmcjacket23]

Why?? One more guaranteed contract to a player that flashed for a year??What is one more contract owed out right. And everybody is so surprised there is no money to retain impact pro bowlers in his prime. There is no guarantee Aiken will exceed or even match his performance. Not every player matches a good year. Not to mention lets focus on a true #1 playmaker and his partner before throwing contracts to a #4 or 3 receiver. Like I said what happens to miss right now when the more dynamic prettier girls come around and enter the picture?? The ravens will draft a receiver in first2 rounds or trade a round2 for young established playmaker. Then Perriman Campanaro and SS will return. My opinion Tread Perriman and Campanaro will be complimenting targets. Treads will be the vaccum over the middle and sidelines,Perriman the big play guy that can win at the intermediate level as well. And Campanaro the chains mover that can win at intermediate level as well as respectable big play speed and athleticism. Peeps tend to forget Campanaro owns a 40 inch vertical!! Not to mention Treads big play skills must be respected because he is like a Hoover vaccum 40 yards away as well. And Joe Cool has the arm to put it where he can go get it. And I hear Maxx is really already looking better and faster than he did at minicamp!! Only question is can Buck step his game up and run a little tougher with vision. If ravens retain KO the OLine will blast the holes for him while the defense is spread out containing the receivers TEs and Buck. And that is before SS role is considered much less Aiken.

1. The tender is a one year guaranteed contract

2. A 2-3 year deal would have limited guaranteed money and practically none after year 1.

Both are about as low a risk deal as you can get in this league. Not like you can go sign somebody for $10.

[jazz1988]

Campanaro is faster and more explosive than Aiken. And has better separation skill. Aiken was this year's version of Marlon when he was forced the ball. Aiken played all 16 games and was productive this year. Doesn't necessarily mean he is better than everybody he outproduced this year!! There are receivers around the league this year not eclipsing 500 yards but has the skill and will approach 1500 yards.

 

Campanaro may be that but Aiken is more reliable, more able to make contested catches, more of a redzone threat, and less one dimensional than  Campanaro. I think comparing Aiken to Brown is crazy because Brown had Torrey Smith on the field along side him when he made the plays he did in 2013. Aiken on the other hand was The Ravens only receiver threat when he stepped up  and he consistently made plays when needed.

[Winchester]

Before Campanaro was injured he was clearly faster and got more separation than Aiken. You need to decide who is better moving forward. Rod Smith and Ed McCaffrey were not the most productive by far. But Shanahan cut round one draft picks including a pro bowler to play Rod and Ed McCaffrey because of superior skills displayed. If players on your own team that were injured shows superior skills to your most productive then you can damn well know every team has more talented receivers. So you are not winning anything with Aiken as a primary receiver. So what is the point?? It is actually quite often the most productive receiver on the team is not nearly the best. Chad Johnson and our own SS were outproduced at junior college. By players that never made the NFL. You have to get the guys playing that can be difference makers. Find out what nfl dbacks say about covering Campanaro. Google it. As a matter of fact google it. I am pretty sure something will come up. Just saying Aiken may be #4 receiver next year.

Edited January 22, 2016 by Moderator 3
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