Is Kamar Aiken worth a 2nd round tender?

[757RavensFan]

Kamar Aiken had a career year and he was the only WR on the roster to start/play all 16 games this season.  He was just shy of 1000 yards and had 5 straight games w/ at least 5 catches.  Now it's time to pay the man accordingly for his contributions. I've read a few articles that stated they'll probably tender Kamar. I'm pretty sure he isn't eligible to be a low round tender b/c he was undrafted.

 

In your opinion do you think he's worth a 2nd round tender?  

[Ravenseconbeast]

A WR that didn't top 1000yarder and receiver corp with no other option @field?

Nah...not worth a 2nd rd tender. He is worth something though.

Edited January 19, 2016 by Ravenseconbeast

[Tru11]

They will either work out a contract or he will get a 2nd round tender.

 

is he worth it?

probably not.

 

best option?

if he does not sign a deal then that will be the best option.

[Purple_City39]

He's not worth it but he's the most reliable WR going into 2016 at this point.  They just can't risk it

[Clmraven]

How is he not worth it? Isn't a 2nd round tender only like 2mil on the cap?

[GrimCoconut]

I'd give him the second round tender but there's sense in giving him a contract. The original round tender means we have right of first refusal. That may also be a good option because it'll allow other teams to bid and give him offers, of which we may match. This could help us save money if we're confident he won't break the bank elsewhere since we can match any contract another team offers.

That said, it could blow up in our face if the league values him. The real question is whether he's more valuable to us than the rest of the league or if the league also thinks highly of him. I suspect he'll play on a second round tender.

Edited January 19, 2016 by GrimCoconut

[OUravensfan]

Apologies, but can someone explain the semantics of a second round tender?

[Tank 92]

When you have nothing something is worth something. lol

[Purple_City39]

Apologies, but can someone explain the semantics of a second round tender?

Basically for another team to take Aiken from us they'd have to give Baltimore their second round pick. 

[hawkprey]

Aiken is a guy who would be a good FA pickup, not a guy you trade for. A 2nd round tender is a joke. Especially considering how rare it is that a team actually claims someone.

[rmw10]

He almost has to be. Not sure you can risk giving him the original round being that he was undrafted. It's obviously not a sure thing someone tries to sign him, but do you risk what would seem to be our #2 WR? Even with cap issues, I'm not thinking it's the best idea to risk a potential and likely starter.

Edited January 19, 2016 by rmw10

[GrimCoconut]

He almost has to be. Not sure you can risk giving him the original round being that he was undrafted. It's obviously not a sure thing someone tries to sign him, but do you risk what would seem to be our #2 WR? Even with cap issues, I'm not thinking it's the best idea to risk a potential and likely starter.

I think it makes sense if we want to risk him in order to sign him long-term. In that manner it makes a ton of sense. We can use the tender to have other teams negotiate a contract & them match the offer through the RoFR.

[rmw10]

I think it makes sense if we want to risk him in order to sign him long-term. In that manner it makes a ton of sense. We can use the tender to have other teams negotiate a contract & them match the offer through the RoFR.

In that sense, yeah. I'm more doubting that we'd tender him at the original round with the intent of trying to keep him on the tender. It's extension or 2nd round tender for me.

[757RavensFan]

A WR that didn't top 1000yarder and receiver corp with no other option @field?

Nah...not worth a 2nd rd tender. He is worth something though.

 

To be fair, Aiken was barely targeted by Joe while SSS was still playing.  For Aiken to be just 60 yards shy of 1000 when he was basically a non factor the first 6 games is beastly!  

Edited January 19, 2016 by 757RavensFan

[redlobster]

Absolutely not, and if they tender him and another team offers him then the ravens get a 2nd round pick and can draft his replacement.

[B-more Ravor]

He's probably not worth the 2nd round tender (~$2.5M), but because of the alternative, I'm not sure they have a choice.

 

Short of a new contract, their alternative to the 2nd round tender is the low tender ~($1.65M), which because he was a UDFA gives them NO compensation, just the ability to match.  Given the sizeable amount of Cap space that some teams have, it would be easy for a team to craft a deal that the Ravens couldn't match by including a high 2016 Cap number. 

 

Granted, they've taken chances before and mostly gotten away with it (other than Chester Taylor in 2005), so it's not inconceivable that they will roll the dice with the low tender, but given their WR questions, I would be surprised.  Now, if they decide to ride out Flacco's contract this year at $28.55M, they are going to need Cap space from every source possible, so in that case, I could see the low tender.

[jazz1988]

A WR that didn't top 1000yarder and receiver corp with no other option @field?

Nah...not worth a 2nd rd tender. He is worth something though.

 

I think Aiken did somethings the other receiver wouldn't have been able to do. He made contested catches, he made clutch catches,and for the most part he was dependable.

[B-more Ravor]

Absolutely not, and if they tender him and another team offers him then the ravens get a 2nd round pick and can draft his replacement.

 

Definitely.  I doubt anyone would, but, with all due respect to Aiken,  the Ravens would gladly make that "trade".

[B-more Ravor]

Apologies, but can someone explain the semantics of a second round tender?

 

 

RFAs are players whose contracts have expired and who have 3 years of accrued service time. The team must tender the player with an RFA offer. Once tendered, another team can sign the player to a RFA offer sheet, but the Ravens then have 7 days to match that offer sheet and retain the player under the terms of that offer sheet. If the Ravens were to choose not to match the offer sheet, they would then receive compensation based on the level of RFA tender made to the player.

 

There are 3 RFA Tenders

* 1st Round Tender: allows the team to receive compensation of a 1st round – $3.586M (est)

* 2nd Round Tender: allows the team to receive compensation of 2nd round pick – $2.52M (est)

* Low Tender: allows the team to receive compensation of a draft pick equal to the round in which the player was originally drafted or the Right of First Refusal (ROFR) for an undrafted player – $1.65M (est)

 

The Ravens have 4 players who are RFAs:

WR – Kamar Aiken (undrafted)

WR – Marlon Brown (undrafted)

TE – Chase Ford (undrafted)

S – Brynden Trawick (undrafted)

[52520Andrew]

He almost has to be. Not sure you can risk giving him the original round being that he was undrafted. It's obviously not a sure thing someone tries to sign him, but do you risk what would seem to be our #2 WR? Even with cap issues, I'm not thinking it's the best idea to risk a potential and likely starter.

Yeah pretty much my thoughts

[Wildabeast88]

Kamar Aiken had a career year and he was the only WR on the roster to start/play all 16 games this season.  He was just shy of 1000 yards and had 5 straight games w/ at least 5 catches.  Now it's time to pay the man accordingly for his contributions. I've read a few articles that stated they'll probably tender Kamar. I'm pretty sure he isn't eligible to be a low round tender b/c he was undrafted.

 

In your opinion do you think he's worth a 2nd round tender?

yes he could get the low round tender that would pay him just over a million but we I'm losing Aiken a 2nd round tender is just over 2 mil but if a team signs him to an offer sheet we get that teams 2nd round pick

[Ravenseconbeast]

I think Aiken did somethings the other receiver wouldn't have been able to do. He made contested catches, he made clutch catches,and for the most part he was dependable.

But no one would throw away a 2nd round for Aiken.   Why would you not take advantage of that?  If he can show consistency, then give him the money he deserves next year.   

 

His production is similar to when Marlon did well.   Now Marlon is considered a 1-year wonder.   Lets see if Aiken can show consistency.

[rmw10]

But no one would throw away a 2nd round for Aiken.   Why would you not take advantage of that?  If he can show consistency, then give him the money he deserves next year.   

 

His production is similar to when Marlon did well.   Now Marlon is considered a 1-year wonder.   Lets see if Aiken can show consistency.

 

Sure, no one would throw away a 2nd for Aiken.  If you give him the original round tender though, teams can sign him to an offer sheet and the Ravens get 0 compensation since he was undrafted.  That's the risk you run with the original round vs. 2nd round tenders.

[PurpleCity5]

I think I would have to give him the 2nd round tender though you can argue its not worth it. I just don't want to run the risk of losing him.

[ALSKAN RAVEN FAN]

Aiken is worth something for sure as far as a tender goes I am not sure about how much. I think he can be a great option as a WR#3 maybe a WR#2.

[Cillmatic]

How is he not worth it? Isn't a 2nd round tender only like 2mil on the cap?

That's a big chunk of our current cap space.

[jazz1988]

But no one would throw away a 2nd round for Aiken.   Why would you not take advantage of that?  If he can show consistency, then give him the money he deserves next year.   

 

His production is similar to when Marlon did well.   Now Marlon is considered a 1-year wonder.   Lets see if Aiken can show consistency.

 

Well  not many teams give up second round picks for tendered players .I understand the advantage but there is a  disadvantage as well  and that's losing Aiken to another team. I don't think The Ravens can afford losing a receiver that has shown to be dependable when they have their other top receivers as question marks. Steve Smith may  not be ready to go by training  camp or by the first game of the regular season and Breshad Perriman is unknown(not talking about  his injury).

 

I wouldn't say his production is similar to Marlon Brown and I honestly think Aiken situaton is alot different from Brown. When Brown had his best year receiving yards wise he had Torrey Smith starting beside him so the attention wasn't fully on him. Aiken on the other hand was productive without   a play making receiver like Torrey Smith starting beside him and I honestly think Aiken shown more than Marlon Brown did in  his rookie season.

 

Aiken shown more wiliness to make contested catches, his route running seemed  better, he was more durable, and more dependable. I'm not saying Aiken is going to be this elite receiver  one day but I think it would be in The Ravens best interest to retain him and  I think he deserves to receive a high tender. The free agent market for receivers is going to be bland any way and I honestly take Aiken over the current receivers that will be free agents this coming off season.

Edited January 20, 2016 by jazz1988

[Ravenslifer]

I'd do it.  We're short on cap space but as of right now Aiken is the most proven commodity we have - he is healthy and he played well.  SSS and Perriman are supposed to pass him on the depth chart, but we have no clue how either will look coming back, at least in the early going.

[Clmraven]

That's a big chunk of our current cap space.

True but if we let him go, we have an even bigger question mark at receiver and I didn't even think that was possible. If you ask me we have no choice, if Aiken goes we'll be relying on a 37 year old guy coming off injury a guy who has literally no game experience at all, possibly 1 or more rookies and or a veteran that's probably less reliable than a rookie.

[BmoreBird22]

To be fair, Aiken was barely targeted by Joe while SSS was still playing.  For Aiken to be just 60 yards shy of 1000 when he was basically a non factor the first 6 games is beastly!  

He got about 1/3 of his targets during the first half of the season. Nearly half his targets actually came out after Joe went down, which is pretty incredible because if you think about it, that means he was a security blanket for the younger quarterbacks. He was averaging about 10 targets per game, which is about 1/3 of the attempts per game from those quarterbacks. 

 

I wouldn't risk him and I truly do think he's worth a second round tender.