JJ's Final mock before combine ( no, really)

[rmw10]

idk about all that but I have seen some serious over hyping around here, which is odd considering he isn't a WR, CB, or OLB... he's good and I'd give him 8-12 range but I don't wanna get anywhere near him at 6, even if we didn't have a logjam of wide set and strong dts already. I'll admit though I love his ability to get his mitts on the ball at the line, impressive for a guy who isn't relatively tall

 

I just find it odd for a guy as quick and as strong as he is how often he finds himself being a complete non factor.  There are definitely some shining moments, but it's a lot more inconsistent than I thought the more I looked into him.  I was one originally looking at him as a "sleeper" for the top 5, but he's fallen down into the 20s range for me.  Keep in mind, I don't make boards yet, though.  I just kind of assess talent and round everything up closer to the draft, so he could be higher based on the overall talent of the draft class, which is largely uninspiring.

[52520Andrew]

coming from someone who isn't a huge fan of the person I'm about to mention... I'll take ramsey sticking te's over Jack all day, among other things.

 

Don't know if Ramsey can match up physically with those guys though

[JoeyFlex5]

I just find it odd for a guy as quick and as strong as he is how often he finds himself being a complete non factor. There are definitely some shining moments, but it's a lot more inconsistent than I thought the more I looked into him. I was one originally looking at him as a "sleeper" for the top 5, but he's fallen down into the 20s range for me. Keep in mind, I don't make boards yet, though. I just kind of assess talent and round everything up closer to the draft, so he could be higher based on the overall talent of the draft class, which is largely uninspiring.

I think it's the nature of his position. A DT that just dominates on every snap is rare, you can't look for a suh every time you watch a DT lol but I understand what you're saying, if we take a DT this high, considering our current roster, he better be a suh caliber player. For a team like the cowboys though I think he would be right at home

[GrimCoconut]

I think it's the nature of his position. A DT that just dominates on every snap is rare, you can't look for a suh every time you watch a DT lol but I understand what you're saying, if we take a DT this high, considering our current roster, he better be a suh caliber player. For a team like the cowboys though I think he would be right at home

How about that guy Billings from Baylor? Just started watching them and he blew me away. That guy is really good. He's also only 19 atm! Edited January 20, 2016 by GrimCoconut

[usmccharles]

How about that guy Billings from Baylor? Just started watching them and he blew me away. That guy is really good. He's also only 19 atm!

I have him going 17 in my mock draft:)

[GrimCoconut]

I have him going 17 in my mock draft:)

Yeah, I'm not sure where he goes but he looks like a really good prospect. I need to watch more of him now. I was more or less saying "how about Billings" as in "how about them Ravens?" Lol, just to make it clear.

[January J]

I've really come around on spence and brothers.

[JoeyFlex5]

How about that guy Billings from Baylor? Just started watching them and he blew me away. That guy is really good. He's also only 19 atm!

i like billings very much, i havent looked much into him but what ive seen has been very good, after a small sample size im liking what i seen more than the extensive research on robinson 

[JoeyFlex5]

Don't know if Ramsey can match up physically with those guys though

i wouldnt bet on that, and i wouldnt bet on jack physically being any better of a match up, im iffy on ramsey but one thing im not concerned with is the boys physicality, he aint scared of anyone and rightfully so, because he knows he can beat up on the big boys as easily as the smaller ones. ill also take ramseys explosiveness in the front seven over jack maybe being able to weave through blockers on occasion, and ill take ramseys explosiveness and length in coverage over jack as well. 

 

ramsey may not be a natural FS but he certainly is a natural SS, jack on the other hand isnt a natural LB nor is he a natural safety, hes a tweener and in a 3-4 he would almost certainly have to convert to SS unless we want both ILBs to be completely predictable. 

[GrimCoconut]

i wouldnt bet on that, and i wouldnt bet on jack physically being any better of a match up, im iffy on ramsey but one thing im not concerned with is the boys physicality, he aint scared of anyone and rightfully so, because he knows he can beat up on the big boys as easily as the smaller ones. ill also take ramseys explosiveness in the front seven over jack maybe being able to weave through blockers on occasion, and ill take ramseys explosiveness and length in coverage over jack as well.

ramsey may not be a natural FS but he certainly is a natural SS, jack on the other hand isnt a natural LB nor is he a natural safety, hes a tweener and in a 3-4 he would almost certainly have to convert to SS unless we want both ILBs to be completely predictable.

Much like Belichick, I think Ramsey makes a lot of sense if he's even there because of his versatility. In much the same way the Patriots drafted McCourty to play CB and moved him to FS I can see Ramsey having a similar career start. Then again, if we draft a Thompson or Bell as BPA and they excite us, we can have them play FS. This also means we can let Will Hill move on at the end of his deal, and likely ends the careers of Webb and Lewis in Baltimore, saving us considerable money.

[JoeyFlex5]

Much like Belichick, I think Ramsey makes a lot of sense if he's even there because of his versatility. In much the same way the Patriots drafted McCourty to play CB and moved him to FS I can see Ramsey having a similar career start. Then again, if we draft a Thompson or Bell as BPA and they excite us, we can have them play FS. This also means we can let Will Hill move on at the end of his deal, and likely ends the careers of Webb and Lewis in Baltimore, saving us considerable money.

I actually have been warming up to Ramsey again, I'm just done considering the downsides which realistically haven't even been proven(absence of evidence is not evidence of absence regarding his ability to cover deep) and have been considering the possibilities. Will hill was very inconsistent this year and I think Ramsey can fill his role and blow his cobtributions out of the water and it also knocks one future contract off the books, and I too LOVE darian thompson at fs and would love that combo. I just wish we took derron Smith last year

[ravefan52]

i wouldnt bet on that, and i wouldnt bet on jack physically being any better of a match up, im iffy on ramsey but one thing im not concerned with is the boys physicality, he aint scared of anyone and rightfully so, because he knows he can beat up on the big boys as easily as the smaller ones. ill also take ramseys explosiveness in the front seven over jack maybe being able to weave through blockers on occasion, and ill take ramseys explosiveness and length in coverage over jack as well.

ramsey may not be a natural FS but he certainly is a natural SS, jack on the other hand isnt a natural LB nor is he a natural safety, hes a tweener and in a 3-4 he would almost certainly have to convert to SS unless we want both ILBs to be completely predictable.

I think Jack would definitely play ILB for us and not SS. What do you mean he and Mosley would be completely predictable?

[JoeyFlex5]

I think Jack would definitely play ILB for us and not SS. What do you mean he and Mosley would be completely predictable?

because our ILBs require a certain amount of physicality and shedding and weaving ability and without those characteristics they will be relegated to a part time role consisting of either designed blitzes or coverage, not saying jack is incapable but he obviously is not on the same level as a cj mosley in those regards, the simple fact is that myles jack is undersized as an ILB in our system and we simply dont see successful undersized ILBs playing for us, the smallest ILB we had was dannell ellerbe and he had a staggering 20 lbs more than jack who is estimated to weight in at 220.. i dont trust it with a 6th overall pick. 

 

and by predictable i mean jack would be doing one thing and mosley would be doing another and teams would petty much always know who is doing what, they would know that jack wont be thumping anyone and gap integrity will never be a thing for him. id prefer an ILB who can cover and thump and blitz and roam altogether so that we can be creative and not predictable

Edited January 20, 2016 by JoeyFlex5

[GrimCoconut]

because our ILBs require a certain amount of physicality and shedding and weaving ability and without those characteristics they will be relegated to a part time role consisting of either designed blitzes or coverage, not saying jack is incapable but he obviously is not on the same level as a cj mosley in those regards, the simple fact is that myles jack is undersized as an ILB in our system and we simply dont see successful undersized ILBs playing for us, the smallest ILB we had was dannell ellerbe and he had a staggering 20 lbs more than jack who is estimated to weight in at 220.. i dont trust it with a 6th overall pick. 

 

and by predictable i mean jack would be doing one thing and mosley would be doing another and teams would petty much always know who is doing what, they would know that jack wont be thumping anyone and gap integrity will never be a thing for him. id prefer an ILB who can cover and thump and blitz and roam altogether so that we can be creative and not predictable

Jack is a beast, though, I will say that. Plays LB, S, CB, & RB. He's essentially a player Bill Belichick would marry if he could. I imagine Belichick in a dark room wearing his Sith robe watching Myles Jack highlights & crying as he realizes he's unlikely out of his reach. He's [Jack] got terrific vision. Besides, if we take him, we can call him the "Jackhammer", and who wouldn't like that?

[Cillmatic]

Don't know if Ramsey can match up physically with those guys though

I think Jack's about as big as Ramsey.

[usmccharles]

I think Jack's about as big as Ramsey.

myles jack is 6'1 @245

Jalen ramsey is 6'1 @202

Per nfl.Com

[Cillmatic]

myles jack is 6'1 @245

Jalen ramsey is 6'1 @202

Per nfl.Com

All in the weight then I guess.

[52520Andrew]

i wouldnt bet on that, and i wouldnt bet on jack physically being any better of a match up, im iffy on ramsey but one thing im not concerned with is the boys physicality, he aint scared of anyone and rightfully so, because he knows he can beat up on the big boys as easily as the smaller ones. ill also take ramseys explosiveness in the front seven over jack maybe being able to weave through blockers on occasion, and ill take ramseys explosiveness and length in coverage over jack as well.

ramsey may not be a natural FS but he certainly is a natural SS, jack on the other hand isnt a natural LB nor is he a natural safety, hes a tweener and in a 3-4 he would almost certainly have to convert to SS unless we want both ILBs to be completely predictable.

Jack is the bigger guy by like 30 pounds, covering the TE is not like covering a speedy WR. Gronk would crush even Revis in coverage(although I don't think anyone can match up with him to start with). He would just get worn down. I don't think Ramsey would be bad at it and with the versatility he provides to other positions I have him ranked higher. Really question whether you have seen much of Jack though if you have doubts with his ability in coverage. I have seen the guy stick to WRs easily with his quickness and he has plenty of physicality. Could be deadly on the blitz as well due to that quickness.

The middle of the field is our biggest weakness and while I think Ramsey would help here, I think Jack is exactly what we need. With our hiring of Leslie Frazer(a 4-3 guy), we may be looking to transition to more of a 4-3 front anyways. Also take a look at Arizona with their guy. And we certainly don't need Jack to come here to bulster our run defense, our run defense is fine. We need him to be that guy in coverage for us so we don't keep getting abused over the middle. If he is bad enough at run defense then throw him at SS on early downs. It is a role that is increasing in importance with offenses targeting the middle of the field now to take advantage of weaker matchups.

[52520Andrew]

myles jack is 6'1 @245

Jalen ramsey is 6'1 @202

Per nfl.Com

Well guess I was being nice when I said 30 pounds.

[usmccharles]

Well guess I was being nice when I said 30 pounds.

so would you pick him at 6? Edited January 20, 2016 by usmccharles

[ravensnation5220]

because our ILBs require a certain amount of physicality and shedding and weaving ability and without those characteristics they will be relegated to a part time role consisting of either designed blitzes or coverage, not saying jack is incapable but he obviously is not on the same level as a cj mosley in those regards, the simple fact is that myles jack is undersized as an ILB in our system and we simply dont see successful undersized ILBs playing for us, the smallest ILB we had was dannell ellerbe and he had a staggering 20 lbs more than jack who is estimated to weight in at 220.. i dont trust it with a 6th overall pick.

and by predictable i mean jack would be doing one thing and mosley would be doing another and teams would petty much always know who is doing what, they would know that jack wont be thumping anyone and gap integrity will never be a thing for him. id prefer an ILB who can cover and thump and blitz and roam altogether so that we can be creative and not predictable

you say we cant use undersized lbs and that they need to shed blocks. I find that funny because mosley is 6-2 240(listed 238) and his biggest issue is getting off blocks and jack is 6-1 245 (i think hell be 235 at the combine, the issue i see with jack is he doesnt read the play he just reacts, watched a lot of film on him recently and they put this kid as an outside corner a time against guys like lockette and agholor and he held his own in coverage. He is a great prospect and would be a perfect fit at will linebacker. Only issue is that mosely is that for us but if he could bulk up and take the strong side and leave the coverage opportunities for jack they would have a great duo, i just feel as though mosley has struggled in coverage and smith is starting to become a step too slow, hes also heavier so he never was that quick. I just feel as if jack could be a really good fit for us. Maybe not at 6 but as a trade back guy for sure. He has the talent to be a stud for us

[52520Andrew]

so would you pick him at 6? That's who I took in my mock draft in the draft section

Depends who is there for me but if the board falls a certain way I would. People get position all wrapped up but if we pass on a guy who ends up being the better player because their position may not be as valuable in the NFL, that is just not how I would draft. The way I see it, this is our first high pick and hopefully last one for a while so the last thing I want is an average player. Our biggest weakness as a team this year was a lack of impact players and that is what I want with this pick. I could care less about position and fit. I think a guy like Jack will find his way on the field and I think he is a guy who could have a huge impact on this defense.

[JoeyFlex5]

Jack is the bigger guy by like 30 pounds, covering the TE is not like covering a speedy WR. Gronk would crush even Revis in coverage(although I don't think anyone can match up with him to start with). He would just get worn down. I don't think Ramsey would be bad at it and with the versatility he provides to other positions I have him ranked higher. Really question whether you have seen much of Jack though if you have doubts with his ability in coverage. I have seen the guy stick to WRs easily with his quickness and he has plenty of physicality. Could be deadly on the blitz as well due to that quickness.

The middle of the field is our biggest weakness and while I think Ramsey would help here, I think Jack is exactly what we need. With our hiring of Leslie Frazer(a 4-3 guy), we may be looking to transition to more of a 4-3 front anyways. Also take a look at Arizona with their guy. And we certainly don't need Jack to come here to bulster our run defense, our run defense is fine. We need him to be that guy in coverage for us so we don't keep getting abused over the middle. If he is bad enough at run defense then throw him at SS on early downs. It is a role that is increasing in importance with offenses targeting the middle of the field now to take advantage of weaker matchups.

i dont doubt jacks coverage at all, i have seen it and it is impressive, however, i find ramseys man and press coverage far superior, and he is likely the most explosive athlete in this entire draft. i dont think hiring a DB coach is gonna affect our front seven in the slightest, we run a hybrid front that requires a typical 3-4 personnel under pees and as long as hes here that is what we will run, its his system and clearly he has the keys to the vehicle and will run the 3-4 hybrid and a secondary coach of all people wont change that. 

 

as far as a guy like gronk goes.. you can only hope to contain him, id prefer to pressure tom brady with the front seven and be more than happy to have a guy like ramsey in the secondary who can contain a gronk, rather than take a guy AWAY from the front seven and ask him to try to cover gronk. also while ramsey may not catch very many balls, he PLAYS the ball far better than jack. 

 

i just dont like the idea of getting a coverage LB for the 3-4, let the linebackers zone drop and shoot gaps and let the db's cover. i just dont like the idea of drafting a ILB and asking him to man cover for every snap, do we then ask the safety to roam short and blitz like an ILB should? 

[JoeyFlex5]

you say we cant use undersized lbs and that they need to shed blocks. I find that funny because mosley is 6-2 240(listed 238) and his biggest issue is getting off blocks and jack is 6-1 245 (i think hell be 235 at the combine, the issue i see with jack is he doesnt read the play he just reacts, watched a lot of film on him recently and they put this kid as an outside corner a time against guys like lockette and agholor and he held his own in coverage. He is a great prospect and would be a perfect fit at will linebacker. Only issue is that mosely is that for us but if he could bulk up and take the strong side and leave the coverage opportunities for jack they would have a great duo, i just feel as though mosley has struggled in coverage and smith is starting to become a step too slow, hes also heavier so he never was that quick. I just feel as if jack could be a really good fit for us. Maybe not at 6 but as a trade back guy for sure. He has the talent to be a stud for us

mosley is 240 and his biggest issue is reacting quick enough in coverage, he is an east and west player who can find the hole and burst through and weave through traffic VERY well, you shouldnt expect him to take a guard head on and win, that isnt his job, but mosley doesnt get knocked off of his path, a guard can try to get a push on mosley but he goes unfazed and continues to the hole, but when a guard gets both hands up under his pads then of course there will be trouble.

 

jack is between 225 and 230 according to various outlets, the only place that lists jack at 245 is UCLA which is the least believable listing possible, everyone knows colleges post bodacious measurables that get debunked at the combine every year. and watching him play i dont see the same tenacity and punch and authority that mosley played with in college, i just dont see him holding up as a full time ILB in a 3-4, on our team i think he needs to play SS or he will just be a dime package guy, so i guess we'll just agree to disagree. 

 

edit: and i dont like the idea of having an ILB who plays a traditional role and another ILB who can just cover, its predictable. give me a good pass rush so our ILBs arent left to cover for 4 seconds per snap and then give me 2 more well rounded ILBs. mosley may not be able to cover a guy for 4 seconds but when the qb is forced to throw too early he has a knack for predicting it and making plays on the ball, a pass rush could make him look like an inconsistent playmaker in coverage rather than just a liability(ie, compare rookie year to soph year) and id take 2 of those any day over a guy who can only do 1 thing well that is supposed to be left to a safety

Edited January 20, 2016 by JoeyFlex5

[GrimCoconut]

Depends who is there for me but if the board falls a certain way I would. People get position all wrapped up but if we pass on a guy who ends up being the better player because their position may not be as valuable in the NFL, that is just not how I would draft. The way I see it, this is our first high pick and hopefully last one for a while so the last thing I want is an average player. Our biggest weakness as a team this year was a lack of impact players and that is what I want with this pick. I could care less about position and fit. I think a guy like Jack will find his way on the field and I think he is a guy who could have a huge impact on this defense.

I love Jack's coverage. I also love his versatility. I was amazed he could function effectively as a CB. That was amazing to me. I know I've even seen him play as an outside CB, so that's not like he's a scrub at all. What if this guy [Jack] turns out to be the next Luke Kuechly, who is just amazing in coverage & is a turnover machine? Would people still doubt the pick?

 

I'd love Jack, personally. I have him in a narrow race between other prospects, but I wouldn't be at all upset with us selecting him simply because I've seen him function effectively in so many roles I think it wouldn't matter. He also knows how to turnover the ball, and that's a big deal to me. I think I would rather have him over Buckner, and I really do like Bucknear quite a bit. Then again, I'm really coming around on Noah Spence as a potential first round pick for us as well. 

[52520Andrew]

i dont doubt jacks coverage at all, i have seen it and it is impressive, however, i find ramseys man and press coverage far superior, and he is likely the most explosive athlete in this entire draft. i dont think hiring a DB coach is gonna affect our front seven in the slightest, we run a hybrid front that requires a typical 3-4 personnel under pees and as long as hes here that is what we will run, its his system and clearly he has the keys to the vehicle and will run the 3-4 hybrid and a secondary coach of all people wont change that.

as far as a guy like gronk goes.. you can only hope to contain him, id prefer to pressure tom brady with the front seven and be more than happy to have a guy like ramsey in the secondary who can contain a gronk, rather than take a guy AWAY from the front seven and ask him to try to cover gronk. also while ramsey may not catch very many balls, he PLAYS the ball far better than jack.

i just dont like the idea of getting a coverage LB for the 3-4, let the linebackers zone drop and shoot gaps and let the db's cover. i just dont like the idea of drafting a ILB and asking him to man cover for every snap, do we then ask the safety to roam short and blitz like an ILB should?

More speculation on my part but I think we are shifting towards more of a 4-3. And when we are in subpackages for 60% of our snaps, I really don't see it as that big of a deal.

I have no doubts that Ramsey could help us over the middle but you have said you aren't a fan of him anyways so you trying to argue for him is a little odd considering you would rather see us go another direction.

And with that, I have said this multiple times but the middle of the field is our biggest weakness on defense. Ignoring that for a player who I don't think is as talented as Jack(unless Tunsil or Bosa falls) doesn't seem like a smart move. Go watch Buckner against Ohio State and tell me how sold you are on him handling 2 gaps in a base 3-4. How about a guy who can't separate in Treadwell? Have you seen Stanley run block? What Jack brings to the table to me is better.

I also think Jack can hold an edge very well. I don't think he is a guy to engage blockers and set one to avoid confusion but runners do not get around him to the outside and I think this is something that could help us a lot as well with our lack of speed in the front 7. In fact him keeping runners from getting around him can be almost as exciting as watching him in coverage as he can make it look easy. You could move a guy like him over the slot and the offense has to respect the ability of him to blitz, especially with Webb able to step up and take the slot guy. He is far from a 1 dimensional player and could help our front 7 quite a bit. It also lets Mosely do what he is better at in stopping the run as opposed to watching him get torched over and over in coverage and lets us drop our safeties deep as opposed to having to move Hill up to account for our lack of coverage from the LB position.

[JoeyFlex5]

myles jack is 6'1 @245 

Jalen ramsey is 6'1 @202

Per nfl.Com

that 245 comes straight from UCLA, which we all know is a straight up lie. myles jack in college does NOT weigh more than cj mosleys nfl playing weight, not by a long shot. id give myles jack a generous 230 and most scout outlets tend to agree. 

 

ramsey is rumored to have a playing weight between 190 and 195 by scouting outlets. 

 

their weights wil be debunked at the combine, ramseys looks more realistic though, i can guarantee myles jack wont be weighing in at 245 at the combine unless he looks like a musclebound freak who yolked himself into another weight class.

[ravensnation5220]

mosley is 240 and his biggest issue is reacting quick enough in coverage, he is an east and west player who can find the hole and burst through and weave through traffic VERY well, you shouldnt expect him to take a guard head on and win, that isnt his job, but mosley doesnt get knocked off of his path, a guard can try to get a push on mosley but he goes unfazed and continues to the hole, but when a guard gets both hands up under his pads then of course there will be trouble.

jack is between 225 and 230 according to various outlets, the only place that lists jack at 245 is UCLA which is the least believable listing possible, everyone knows colleges post bodacious measurables that get debunked at the combine every year. and watching him play i dont see the same tenacity and punch and authority that mosley played with in college, i just dont see him holding up as a full time ILB in a 3-4, on our team i think he needs to play SS or he will just be a dime package guy, so i guess we'll just agree to disagree.

edit: and i dont like the idea of having an ILB who plays a traditional role and another ILB who can just cover, its predictable. give me a good pass rush so our ILBs arent left to cover for 4 seconds per snap and then give me 2 more well rounded ILBs. mosley may not be able to cover a guy for 4 seconds but when the qb is forced to throw too early he has a knack for predicting it and making plays on the ball, a pass rush could make him look like an inconsistent playmaker in coverage rather than just a liability(ie, compare rookie year to soph year) and id take 2 of those any day over a guy who can only do 1 thing well that is supposed to be left to a safety

true. Ill take your point on that. I will say however that jack is kinda the same east west type guy and hes better or can be better vs the run if he would read plays better. Its hard to say if he has a punch or not he kinda just bounces off the o line and goes to make the play. Hes a very raw prospect and doesnt do much right in terms of technique but his traits are through the roof. Kinda like ramsey, they both have phenomenal athletic ability and a high football iq that lets them just react to plays, i dont think either one can really diagnose a play before it comes to them like hargreaves or alexander or even bosa.

[JoeyFlex5]

More speculation on my part but I think we are shifting towards more of a 4-3. And when we are in subpackages for 60% of our snaps, I really don't see it as that big of a deal.

I have no doubts that Ramsey could help us over the middle but you have said you aren't a fan of him anyways so you trying to argue for him is a little odd considering you would rather see us go another direction.

And with that, I have said this multiple times but the middle of the field is our biggest weakness on defense. Ignoring that for a player who I don't think is as talented as Jack(unless Tunsil or Bosa falls) doesn't seem like a smart move. Go watch Buckner against Ohio State and tell me how sold you are on him handling 2 gaps in a base 3-4. How about a guy who can't separate in Treadwell? Have you seen Stanley run block? What Jack brings to the table to me is better.

i have not been a fan of ramsey but i would rather see my safeties cover than my linebackers lol 

 

in the NFL, blockers get into the 2nd level, cluttering the lanes, you need to be able to take a punch and not get knocked off of your path, with only 3 down linemen your ILB needs to be stout enough to handle the clutter of a moving front seven and i have seen jack get absolutely washed, i mean violently laid out while pursuing ballcarriers. cill just posted a video of jack getting decleated by a qb in a head on tackle situation, i just think he is too soft to play ILB in a 3-4 and we have all the college film on him that will ever be available so i dont see anything changing my mind on that. 

 

if we were in the NFC east or south then absolutely, but i think he gets wrecked in the AFC north.

[52520Andrew]

I love Jack's coverage. I also love his versatility. I was amazed he could function effectively as a CB. That was amazing to me. I know I've even seen him play as an outside CB, so that's not like he's a scrub at all. What if this guy [Jack] turns out to be the next Luke Kuechly, who is just amazing in coverage & is a turnover machine? Would people still doubt the pick?

I'd love Jack, personally. I have him in a narrow race between other prospects, but I wouldn't be at all upset with us selecting him simply because I've seen him function effectively in so many roles I think it wouldn't matter. He also knows how to turnover the ball, and that's a big deal to me. I think I would rather have him over Buckner, and I really do like Bucknear quite a bit. Then again, I'm really coming around on Noah Spence as a potential first round pick for us as well.

I think you have a floor of a Deone Bucannon with him and I think Jack is able to develop into so much more. My biggest concern with him right now is that injury but I think if he can show scouts that he is healthy then I'd be pretty pumped to have him.