JJ's Final mock before combine ( no, really)

[January J]

Round 1

Titans- Joey Bosa

Browns- Jared Goff

Chargers-Laremy Tunsil

Cowboys -A'Shawn Robinson

Jaguars- Vernon Hargreaves

RAVENS-DEFOREST BUCKNER- could easily see us going with Ramsey here- but I think ozzie will see that as too risky. Buckner will most likely be the true BPA, and with Canty on the way out it only solidifies this move.

Round 2 (trade-up with titans, give up this year's 4th and next years)

RAVENS LEONARD FLOYD- Floyd slips into the second and we immediately pounce, not even giving the browns or cowboys a shot at swiping him from us. Fills a direct need for a pass rusher and will add some much needed speed to the defense.

Round 3

RAVENS- STERLING SHEPPARD- this guy was born to be a raven. Got football in his blood, as his father was a pro receiver. Oz like. Oz get.

Round 4 (comp pick)

RAVENS- JOE DAHL- could easily be one of the most underrated lineman in the draft. No way we retain KO, so he will immediately come in and contribute alongside Monroe. The value here is undeniable.

Round 5

RAVENS - CYRUS JONES- oz has to be a fan of this guy, I know I am. Will be good depth and come in and compete for the KR/PR position.

Round 6

RAVENS - KENYAN DRAKE- two Alabama players back to back? You bet. Drake somehow slips into the 6th and we snatch him up to compete with West and Talioferro for the 3rd spot on the roster.

Round 7

RAVENS - KYLE FRIEND- center is not one of our most glaring needs- but would be good to bring another one in. Zuttah has been hurt and Urschel is better where he belongs - so couldn't hurt to have another.

I didn't feel great about not taking a cb or saftey high- but I honestly feel like Ozzie thinks he can work out the kinks with what we already have. Shareece Wright has shown he can be a productive contributor , and once healthy Will Davis will also add a strong peice to this secondary. Give Webb a whole off-season and camp to practice the safety position and he will make a huge difference being there in the back end. He and will hill will be able to shoulder the load. We also will have another comp pick at some point ( maybe even another 2 if I recall correctly)- in which we will certainly take a corner or safety. However some position will be addressed in FA- and I think Corner or Safety coould be it, as we really need some veteran experience and someone who will create turnovers. Some might see it as pie in the sky- but I see ozzie making just one large splash in FA and bringin in somebody like Weddle-in which case Webb could be used as the backup safety and remain at cb... or even more likely he takes an upper tier cb and webb remains the starting safety.The only other scenario is taking Ramsey instead of Buckner or even trading back and taking Alexander while stockpiling picks. These are my current ideal scenarios

Edited January 19, 2016 by January J

[GrimCoconut]

I really think Ozzie & staff want Jalen Ramsey. That's my honest opinion. I think we'd also trade up into the 2nd to get ahead of the Browns et al to select Noah Spence if he makes it there. It's a 50/50 shot that he does because his stock is wildly difficult to predict imo. I like Sterling Shepard a lot. I wonder if he & my boy Dahl will rise after the combine. I can see it happen. Dorsett was widely seen as a 2nd or even 3rd round prospect who soared to the 1st. 

[usmccharles]

im digging it.  Our pass rush would instantly becoming something fierce

[JoeyFlex5]

This would be my ideal draft. I love what those 2 could bring as a tandem. But I don't see teams passing on Floyd for this long, we know teams get enamored with explosive edge rushers and that is what Floyd is, his versatility makes him too intriguing for teams like the jets, bills, packers, chiefs, and some other late ones as they all need or will need either a speedy playmaker in the front seven or a versatile linebacker.

Edited January 19, 2016 by JoeyFlex5

[mc_red23]

I really like the look of that draft. Whether even Ozzie would go Alabama back to back is another thing though but I do really like both of those players, especially Cyrus Jones. 

[January J]

I really like the look of that draft. Whether even Ozzie would go Alabama back to back is another thing though but I do really like both of those players, especially Cyrus Jones.

I think the school should be irrelevant. If the player makes sense he'll pull the trigger.

This would be my ideal draft. I love what those 2 could bring as a tandem. But I don't see teams passing on Floyd for this long, we know teams get enamored with explosive edge rushers and that is what Floyd is, his versatility makes him too intriguing for teams like the jets, bills, packers, chiefs, and some other late ones as they all need or will need either a speedy playmaker in the front seven or a versatile linebacker.

yeah Floyd falling into the second is wishful thinking..but possible. If we didn't think he would we could trade up a little farther..of course we would have to give up a little more though. Or we could just keep the picks , stand pat and go with Noah Spence instead ? Hes not quite as intriguing as Floyd but would still be a nice pickup. Then we could use the other pick for either another corner or safety.

[January J]

I really think Ozzie & staff want Jalen Ramsey. That's my honest opinion. I think we'd also trade up into the 2nd to get ahead of the Browns et al to select Noah Spence if he makes it there. It's a 50/50 shot that he does because his stock is wildly difficult to predict imo. I like Sterling Shepard a lot. I wonder if he & my boy Dahl will rise after the combine. I can see it happen. Dorsett was widely seen as a 2nd or even 3rd round prospect who soared to the 1st.

yeah I could definitely see Ozzie going with Ramsey..but I could also see Buckner or Stanley. All 3 seem like Ozzie-type picks..and I'd be willing to bet that one of them will be our pick for sure- no doubt in my mind. Barring something unforseen such as an off the feild incident or Tunsil or Bosa falling..which I don't see happening. Edited January 19, 2016 by January J

[thieverycorporation]

Close to perfect jj. 

[JoeyFlex5]

I think the school should be irrelevant. If the player makes sense he'll pull the trigger. yeah Floyd falling into the second is wishful thinking..but possible. If we didn't think he would we could trade up a little farther..of course we would have to give up a little more though. Or we could just keep the picks , stand pat and go with Noah Spence instead ? Hes not quite as intriguing as Floyd but would still be a nice pickup. Then we could use the other pick for either another corner or safety.

i actually think spence looks like more of a fit, id be thrilled with it.

[GrimCoconut]

i actually think spence looks like more of a fit, id be thrilled with it.

Agreed. Spence would be widely seen as a first round pick if not for the ecstasy and BIG 10 ban. He's a terrific player whose drug abuse problems appear to be behind him. I'd trade up to get him because Tennessee, San Diego, Dallas or Browns seem like they'd target him if he's there and they haven't addressed the position. It's worth trading up to get him imo.

[mc_red23]

I think the school should be irrelevant. If the player makes sense he'll pull the trigger. yeah Floyd falling into the second is wishful thinking..but possible. If we didn't think he would we could trade up a little farther..of course we would have to give up a little more though. Or we could just keep the picks , stand pat and go with Noah Spence instead ? Hes not quite as intriguing as Floyd but would still be a nice pickup. Then we could use the other pick for either another corner or safety.

 

That's of course a valid point. 

[ellicottraven]

I really think Ozzie & staff want Jalen Ramsey. That's my honest opinion. I think we'd also trade up into the 2nd to get ahead of the Browns et al to select Noah Spence if he makes it there. It's a 50/50 shot that he does because his stock is wildly difficult to predict imo. I like Sterling Shepard a lot. I wonder if he & my boy Dahl will rise after the combine. I can see it happen. Dorsett was widely seen as a 2nd or even 3rd round prospect who soared to the 1st. 

 

I really think Ozzie & staff want Jalen Ramsey. That's my honest opinion. I think we'd also trade up into the 2nd to get ahead of the Browns et al to select Noah Spence if he makes it there. It's a 50/50 shot that he does because his stock is wildly difficult to predict imo. I like Sterling Shepard a lot. I wonder if he & my boy Dahl will rise after the combine. I can see it happen. Dorsett was widely seen as a 2nd or even 3rd round prospect who soared to the 1st. 

I love Ramsey too. But, the question is do you really think Ozzie wants Jalen or do you want them to want Jalen? No one can really know what the scouting department, Eric and Ozzie are thinking at this point. We have plenty of talent avaialble at safety right now considering we are moving Webb over to safety and Matt Elam and Brooks will be healthy alongwith Will Hill and Lewis. As for the CBs' we will have Jimmy healthy, Will Davis will be back and Wright has played pretty well. I think they'll address the CB position later in the draft frankly. I think Ozzie thinks he must go with a pass rusher in the first round. Bosa may fall to us like Leonard did last year to the Jets or Buckner will surely be available. So, I think they go the route of pass rusher. No make that I want Ozzie to go pass rusher in round 1.

[GrimCoconut]

I love Ramsey too. But, the question is do you really think Ozzie wants Jalen or do you want them to want Jalen? No one can really know what the scouting department, Eric and Ozzie are thinking at this point. We have plenty of talent avaialble at safety right now considering we are moving Webb over to safety and Matt Elam and Brooks will be healthy alongwith Will Hill and Lewis. As for the CBs' we will have Jimmy healthy, Will Davis will be back and Wright has played pretty well. I think they'll address the CB position later in the draft frankly. I think Ozzie thinks he must go with a pass rusher in the first round. Bosa may fall to us like Leonard did last year to the Jets or Buckner will surely be available. So, I think they go the route of pass rusher. No make that I want Ozzie to go pass rusher in round 1.

Lol, this is the best question I've been asked recently. No, that'a absolutely not the case. My questions & concerns about Ramsey are well documented & precede most of those concerns from others. In fact, not to toot my own horn here but I was one of the very first people here to even question him as a prospect. I was the first one to suggest he was purely boom-or-bust, and I was one of the first to express serious doubts about him.

 

That said, he's still a great prospect. I like him a lot. I think a lot of people have started to exaggerate his concerns, however. I believe it's somewhere in the middle. Will Davis is hardly a permanent option. I love him but he's entering the final year of his rookie deal & he has a decent injury history himself. Look back and see when we traded for him--I was also one of the few who really liked the move. Go look in RavensTalk. He's a guy I liked ever since 2013 when the Dolphins took him earlier than I expected him to go. Another member I recall liking him greatly with me was Dubs. I like Davis, and I think he could be a very good CB, but I am not sure we can invest into him long-term.

 

I agree that Bosa is likely to fall. I really don't think he will have the best combine; however, right now I'm going under the assumption this thread assumes, which is that Ramsey & Buckner are both available. In that circumstance I honestly expect Ozzie to take Ramsey over Buckner. I think Ramsey has the skill to succeed as a CB & he has the versatility to play effectively as a safety. Webb is hardly anyone on whom we should rely at this time as a permanent fixture at the FS position, & Will Hill will only be here two more years baring an extension. Brooks has proven nothing, too. I can see Ozzie & co. taking Ramsey because I think he can play CB well & he would get the opportunity to really learn the position here. With the amount of nickel we play, & with his physicality, I think Ramsey can play as an outside or nickel CB day 1 & be used as LB in certain situations. 

 

He just makes a ton of sense, especially since I think he can play outside the numbers as a CB. He just needs refinement but the raw potential is there. 

 

FWIW, I want a pass rusher but I'm not sure we will be primed for one. I think we should trade up to take Noah Spence from our second round pick, as I see him going to one of the Titans, Cowboys, Browns, or Chargers ahead of us in the second. 

Edited January 19, 2016 by GrimCoconut

[January J]

I love Ramsey too. But, the question is do you really think Ozzie wants Jalen or do you want them to want Jalen? No one can really know what the scouting department, Eric and Ozzie are thinking at this point. We have plenty of talent avaialble at safety right now considering we are moving Webb over to safety and Matt Elam and Brooks will be healthy alongwith Will Hill and Lewis. As for the CBs' we will have Jimmy healthy, Will Davis will be back and Wright has played pretty well. I think they'll address the CB position later in the draft frankly. I think Ozzie thinks he must go with a pass rusher in the first round. Bosa may fall to us like Leonard did last year to the Jets or Buckner will surely be available. So, I think they go the route of pass rusher. No make that I want Ozzie to go pass rusher in round 1.

In all actuality I'm hoping he doesn't pick ramsey. I just genuinely think he will highly covet him due to his versatility and athletic ability. Now when I look at this Defense , the biggest holes I see were at the safety position with Kendrick Lewis-and obviously the lack of pass rush. A few minor tweaks such as moving Webb to safety and picking up multiple pass rushers IMO will make a drastic difference. I'd definitely attempt to add another cb at some point but I don't think the problems on this defense are as big as some people seem to think. Obviously a few guys have to get healthy but other than that I don't think we have to revamp anything. The homerun ball is the main thing that killed us..and Webb being back there will hopefully fix that. We had some coverage problems at LB..and we may need an addition there too whether it be in FA or whatever..but once we bolster the pass rush a lot of those problems from last year will take care of themselves. I'm thinking Ozzie and co. See it the same way based off what I heard at the season ending presser. Edited January 19, 2016 by January J

[GrimCoconut]

In all actuality I'm hoping he doesn't pick ramsey. I just genuinely think he will highly covet him due to his versatility and athletic ability. Now when I look at this Defense , the biggest holes I see were at the safety position with Kendrick Lewis-and obviously the lack of pass rush. A few minor tweaks such as moving Webb to safety and picking up multiple pass rushers IMO will make a drastic difference. I'd definitely attempt to add another cb at some point but I don't think the problems on this defense are as big as some people seem to think. Obviously a few guys have to get healthy but other than that I don't think we have to revamp anything. The homerun ball is the main thing that killed us..and Webb being back there will hopefully fix that. We had some coverage problems at LB..and we may need an addition there too whether it be in FA or whatever..but once we bolster the pass rush a lot of those problems from last year will take care of themselves. I'm thinking Ozzie and co. See it the same way based off what I heard at the season ending presser.

I agree regarding Ramsey. I don't dislike him but I want others at #6; however, I think we're going to highly covet him. I think his versatility to blitz and make plays at the LOS, combined with his range, and his ability to effectively press as a CB will make him a highly rated prospect. I think we'll see an every down player who can play LB, S, nickel, and outside.

[Edgar]

Agreed. Spence would be widely seen as a first round pick if not for the ecstasy and BIG 10 ban. He's a terrific player whose drug abuse problems appear to be behind him. I'd trade up to get him because Tennessee, San Diego, Dallas or Browns seem like they'd target him if he's there and they haven't addressed the position. It's worth trading up to get him imo.

I've been singing spence praise for awhile now. I think he may be in play for us at six. He is going to really ascend. I would love a slight trade back if we can do it AND get spence.

[GrimCoconut]

I've been singing spence praise for awhile now. I think he may be in play for us at six. He is going to really ascend. I would love a slight trade back if we can do it AND get spence.

Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if that happens and we take him at #6. I think I may have been really wrong about him and his stock. I thought he could be had in the second or third but after reading up on his situation I think he'll be a first round pick or a very early second rounder. He could go higher, though. He'd certainly be a top first round pick if not for the ban from the BIG 10 conference. Yeah, he did drugs and failed two tests but I don't think that is bad by itself but becomes worse due to his ban. I bet if he wasn't banned from the NCAA and was still busted for two failed drug tests he'd still be seen as a high first round pick by the media. Edited January 19, 2016 by GrimCoconut

[52520Andrew]

Not sold on Floyd here. I think he needs to add to his frame in order to fit in our system or risk being a sub package player. Would take time to get him developed and there are other guys who would fit better and still provide upside.

[January J]

Not sold on Floyd here. I think he needs to add to his frame in order to fit in our system or risk being a sub package player. Would take time to get him developed and there are other guys who would fit better and still provide upside.

such as? We've discussed Spence ..

[52520Andrew]

such as? We've discussed Spence ..

Spence is the big one but I think there are other positions as well we could hit that would be better value at this spot like WR and I think one of the tackles could fall to our second pick as well.

[ellicottraven]

Lol, this is the best question I've been asked recently. No, that'a absolutely not the case. My questions & concerns about Ramsey are well documented & precede most of those concerns from others. In fact, not to toot my own horn here but I was one of the very first people here to even question him as a prospect. I was the first one to suggest he was purely boom-or-bust, and I was one of the first to express serious doubts about him.

 

That said, he's still a great prospect. I like him a lot. I think a lot of people have started to exaggerate his concerns, however. I believe it's somewhere in the middle. Will Davis is hardly a permanent option. I love him but he's entering the final year of his rookie deal & he has a decent injury history himself. Look back and see when we traded for him--I was also one of the few who really liked the move. Go look in RavensTalk. He's a guy I liked ever since 2013 when the Dolphins took him earlier than I expected him to go. Another member I recall liking him greatly with me was Dubs. I like Davis, and I think he could be a very good CB, but I am not sure we can invest into him long-term.

 

I agree that Bosa is likely to fall. I really don't think he will have the best combine; however, right now I'm going under the assumption this thread assumes, which is that Ramsey & Buckner are both available. In that circumstance I honestly expect Ozzie to take Ramsey over Buckner. I think Ramsey has the skill to succeed as a CB & he has the versatility to play effectively as a safety. Webb is hardly anyone on whom we should rely at this time as a permanent fixture at the FS position, & Will Hill will only be here two more years baring an extension. Brooks has proven nothing, too. I can see Ozzie & co. taking Ramsey because I think he can play CB well & he would get the opportunity to really learn the position here. With the amount of nickel we play, & with his physicality, I think Ramsey can play as an outside or nickel CB day 1 & be used as LB in certain situations. 

 

He just makes a ton of sense, especially since I think he can play outside the numbers as a CB. He just needs refinement but the raw potential is there. 

 

FWIW, I want a pass rusher but I'm not sure we will be primed for one. I think we should trade up to take Noah Spence from our second round pick, as I see him going to one of the Titans, Cowboys, Browns, or Chargers ahead of us in the second. 

How about an awesome coverage LBer like Myles Jack who could slot in as a nickel corner as well. If Jalen Ramsey is versatile, this guy is versatile on steroids, figuratively speaking of course...

[Wildabeast88]

yeah I could definitely see Ozzie going with Ramsey..but I could also see Buckner or Stanley. All 3 seem like Ozzie-type picks..and I'd be willing to bet that one of them will be our pick for sure- no doubt in my mind. Barring something unforseen such as an off the feild incident or Tunsil or Bosa falling..which I don't see happening.

I like the draft. I do agree instead of the trade up try to grab Spence in the 2nd

[GrimCoconut]

How about an awesome coverage LBer like Myles Jack who could slot in as a nickel corner as well. If Jalen Ramsey is versatile, this guy is versatile on steroids, figuratively speaking of course...

He sure is. I wouldn't mind Jack. Not one bit!

[JoeyFlex5]

ive seen lots of talk about myles jack, and while i do like his skillset for the modern nfl, im not drafting a LB 6th overall to play safety and likely struggle against the run, maybe if we ran a 4-3 and played in the NFC south(AFCN offenses may be heating up, but they all still like to pound the ball) 

 

because of this, i am starting a new crusade for Kentrell Brothers in the 2nd round(with a trade up from the 3rd preferably). instead of falling in awe over a coverage linebacker who fits best in a 4-3, lets look at a legit 3 down back who is built for this defense.. brothers is one of the highest IQ defenders in this draft, the guy always knows where to be, plays smart and disciplined but still plays with a chip on his shoulder, even though he is less athletic than mosley he will likely be better on 3rd down simply because he has a great knack for meeting the receiver to the ball, he reads offenses very well and him and mosley combined make for a versatile pair of hard hitting, high iq, playmaking ILBs, offenses wouldnt look at our defense and say "ok 57s gonna blitz and the little guy next to him will be covering the TE", instead offenses would have to take a wild guess and hope that they guess right.

[January J]

ive seen lots of talk about myles jack, and while i do like his skillset for the modern nfl, im not drafting a LB 6th overall to play safety and likely struggle against the run, maybe if we ran a 4-3 and played in the NFC south(AFCN offenses may be heating up, but they all still like to pound the ball) 

 

because of this, i am starting a new crusade for Kentrell Brothers in the 2nd round(with a trade up from the 3rd preferably). instead of falling in awe over a coverage linebacker who fits best in a 4-3, lets look at a legit 3 down back who is built for this defense.. brothers is one of the highest IQ defenders in this draft, the guy always knows where to be, plays smart and disciplined but still plays with a chip on his shoulder, even though he is less athletic than mosley he will likely be better on 3rd down simply because he has a great knack for meeting the receiver to the ball, he reads offenses very well and him and mosley combined make for a versatile pair of hard hitting, high iq, playmaking ILBs, offenses wouldnt look at our defense and say "ok 57s gonna blitz and the little guy next to him will be covering the TE", instead offenses would have to take a wild guess and hope that they guess right.

certainly makes a lot of sense.

[JoeyFlex5]

certainly makes a lot of sense.

dont get me wrong, i like jack, but if were looking for a guy who specializes in coverage close to the LOS, ill just take ramsey, the ceiling is much higher and he can actually play in a position designed for coverage, rather than taking a linebacker and forcing him to be another coverage guy.

[52520Andrew]

Barnidge, Eifert, and Gronk are 3 reasons why a guy like Jack would be huge for us at 6.

[rmw10]

The more I look into A'Shawn, the more I think here's a late round 1 type of guy.  He gets washed out of a lot of plays.

[JoeyFlex5]

Barnidge, Eifert, and Gronk are 3 reasons why a guy like Jack would be huge for us at 6.

coming from someone who isn't a huge fan of the person I'm about to mention... I'll take ramsey sticking te's over Jack all day, among other things.

[JoeyFlex5]

The more I look into A'Shawn, the more I think here's a late round 1 type of guy. He gets washed out of a lot of plays.

idk about all that but I have seen some serious over hyping around here, which is odd considering he isn't a WR, CB, or OLB... he's good and I'd give him 8-12 range but I don't wanna get anywhere near him at 6, even if we didn't have a logjam of wide set and strong dts already. I'll admit though I love his ability to get his mitts on the ball at the line, impressive for a guy who isn't relatively tall