Time to rethink the draft options...

[Wildabeast88]

Can someone tell me how Alexander has shot up so many draft boards recently? I see a lot of mocks and rankings putting him above Hargreaves now and I don't get it.

did you see Hargreaves last 3 games he was awful getting burned looked lost at times Edited January 20, 2016 by Wildabeast88

[GrimCoconut]

Guessing he probably meant DL since he referenced Bosa

Nope, I just didn't read his comment well. I just reread it and noticed he stated "respectively", which would mean Dallas needs DB help and Jacksonville needs OL help.

[BmoreBird22]

Nope, I just didn't read his comment well. I just reread it and noticed he stated "respectively", which would mean Dallas needs DB help and Jacksonville needs OL help.

When I read that, I had the order flipped...

[Deflated Football]

Well there is one guy who might be, we could use a 10 year stud to build our defense around.

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Bosa fell to 6.

[Purple_City39]

did you see Hargreaves last 3 games he was awful getting burned looked lost at times

Three bad games trump an entire college career?

[ellicottraven]

 

 

So LT Laremy Tunsil may not be the first player taken off the board which could set off a change reaction to drop several studs as the #GrabforGoff begins.  Perhaps two QBs will now end up going in the top 5?

 

What could this mean for the Ravens?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If the Titans trade down, IMO it wouldn't by a team that needs a QB. Looking at it, I just don't see the list of teams that need a QB that can jump that high, which certainly doesn't bold well for us. I think we could inquire but the price will be too much. 

Two QBs' taken in the top 5? Now that would initiate a chain reaction that would definitely bode well for us! I'm thinking Bosa!

[757RavensFan]

1. I'm not sure why everybody assumes Tunsil would be the Titans pick anyway. To me, it doesn't make much sense, since they already used a high draft pick on a LT who's been pretty good and is young and cheap (Taylor Lewan). Can't see using a #1 pick on a player who may play RT for many years.

 

2. Bosa or a high quality defender makes all the sense in the world for Tennessee, since they have practically no play makers on defense and its easily the side of the ball they need the most help with.

 

3. I highly doubt they trade the pick. Nobody is moving up to #1 for any player other than a QB, because there's nobody in this draft worthy of that. There's also not a franchise-level QB I see, like an Andrew Luck, willing to go up to #1 for. There's only maybe two teams in the top 10 even in need of a QB (Cleveland and San Francisco), and since they are the only two, they really don't have to bother moving up at all. Anybody else outside who needs a QB, like the Eagles or the Rams, would have to give up like 3-4 years of #1 draft picks to get to that spot, and I don't see the player in this draft worth that.

 

With the addition of Chip Kelly, CLE might be the only QB needy team in the top 10.  Wouldn't surprise me at all if Kelly used Kaepernick to run his offense. 

[BmoreBird22]

With the addition of Chip Kelly, CLE might be the only QB needy team in the top 10. Wouldn't surprise me at all if Kelly used Kaepernick to run his offense.

It would surprise me...

[ALPHA]

Bosa kinda seems like a trap, like he's going to be Chris Long at best or fall down a flair of stairs during rookie camp.

[Virginia 55]

This draft class kinda reminds me of 2008, which is also the last time we picked top 10. We traded down from 8, got picks, traded up, got Flacco. I could see a similar path this year as well. 

NOOOOOOOO

[frangecko112]

If Tunsil falls to #6 he should definitely be the pick. Although it's unlikely he does but I'm hoping. If not him I'd want Ramsey. 

[Wildabeast88]

Three bad games trump an entire college career?

no but his play leaves me with questions was he hurt was he not playing as hard because he knew he was going pro Eli Apple shut down Michigan's pass attack Hargreaves got toasted I'm just questioning what happened those last few games

[Wildabeast88]

NOOOOOOOO

that wasn't a bad draft 2 immediate starter 1 offense 1defense and. Pro bowler in Rice and a solid backup/special teams contributor and a decent O-lineman so that's not a bad thing

[GrimCoconut]

no but his play leaves me with questions was he hurt was he not playing as hard because he knew he was going pro Eli Apple shut down Michigan's pass attack Hargreaves got toasted I'm just questioning what happened those last few games

I think Eli Apple also played a part in shutting down Amari Cooper when Alabama played Ohio State last year in the playoffs. 

[Wildabeast88]

I think Eli Apple also played a part in shutting down Amari Cooper when Alabama played Ohio State last year in the playoffs.

yes he did and always glad to be reminded of Alabama losing to my Buckeyes I don't know if he will make it to our 2nd pick or not but he could be a nice pickup or Kendall Fuller if we address a CB in round 2

[Purple_City39]

yes he did and always glad to be reminded of Alabama losing to my Buckeyes I don't know if he will make it to our 2nd pick or not but he could be a nice pickup or Kendall Fuller if we address a CB in round 2

I do like Apple in the second round.  He's got the size and potential to be pretty good

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

I love the fact that not only do we have #6 overall but we're picking near the top of every round. How many times have we traded back completely out of the 1st round, and still been excited about our 1st overall pick.

 

We're going to land one of the top overall talents in the draft and our 2nd pick is right in the ball park of where we're normally picking for the 1st time. Someones bound to take a tumble and with the ability to trade Comp Picks now, I wouldnt be surprised to see Oz trade back up into the 1st if someone near the top of their board falls into the back of the 1st round.

 

This year will put the "Ozzies slipping" when it comes to drafting argument to bed.

[elemento]

If we can't get Ramsey in the 1st round, I want the Ravens to get BPA then Kendall Fuller in the 2nd round. 

[edthehead]

If we can't get Ramsey in the 1st round, I want the Ravens to get BPA then Kendall Fuller in the 2nd round. 

you think there is chance he goes in the 1st,

 

he is better than both brothers and did 1 go in the 1st.

 

I like Kendall and hope we pick him. 

[Mad Puppy]

According to the NFL Draft Pick Value Chart, the number 1 pick is worth 3,000 points, and the number 6 pick is worth 1,600. We'd need to trade 1,400 more points worth of players/picks. 1,400 points would mean two firsts and a second. I'd like to stay put and even consider trading down.

I really hate this draft value chart....

The pick is only as valuable as you rate the player you would pick there vs. what you would have to get later.

And Isn't this the same value chart created by Jimmy Johnson to fleece the Minnesota Vikings, and others?

[ALPHA]

In every year I can remember, the GM with the #1 pick has always put said pick up for sale (except for Ernie Accorsi in the John Elway draft...). It's usually just the GM keeping their options open, so personally I wouldn't read too much into it.

 

Or hoping the Redskins will trade 3 first round picks.

[rmcjacket23]

I really hate this draft value chart....

The pick is only as valuable as you rate the player you would pick there vs. what you would have to get later.

And Isn't this the same value chart created by Jimmy Johnson to fleece the Minnesota Vikings, and others?

I think it's a marginal tool. It gives a general idea of an estimated trade value, but it's by no means an accurate representation on trade value in the real world.

[The Raven]

I really hate this draft value chart....

The pick is only as valuable as you rate the player you would pick there vs. what you would have to get later.

And Isn't this the same value chart created by Jimmy Johnson to fleece the Minnesota Vikings, and others?

 

It's the value chart that NFL teams use. Go fight with them if you have a problem with it.

[RavensFanMania]

In every year I can remember, the GM with the #1 pick has always put said pick up for sale (except for Ernie Accorsi in the John Elway draft...). It's usually just the GM keeping their options open, so personally I wouldn't read too much into it.

Well, Ernie Acorsi wanted to trade the pick.  It was the owner that refused to trade the pick. 

[Mad Puppy]

It's the value chart that NFL teams use. Go fight with them if you have a problem with it.

Actually I believe each team makes their own, and likely change it every year based on position, and available talent.

The media always uses the old Jimmy Johnson chart from long ago.

A team who really values a player will give more, and a team unwilling to pick their current pick spot will take less to move.

My point is every time there is a draft day trade it doesn't really follow this chart.

Ozzie often gets poor value in his trades (according to these charts that is). And often has a high number of compensatory picks (meaning he loses talent to get less value in Comp picks)

Edited January 25, 2016 by Mad Puppy

[GrimCoconut]

It's the value chart that NFL teams use. Go fight with them if you have a problem with it.

I could be wrong here but I don't think teams follow it that closely. I distinctly recall the Dion Jordan & Eric Reid trades of the 2013 class in which this trade value chart indicated that the Raiders & Cowboys respectively got fleeced, according to the TVC. Then again, I think that's the point--I don't think teams are as adherent to this chart as people think. It all depends on demand and the willingness to trade back for the team trading back. If the team wants to trade back and they don't get many offers, then they likely will even for an OK deal that doesn't favor them according to this chart.

[sflegend89]

Teams always entertain offers for the #1 pick, but it seems like they always want a truckload of high picks in return and very very rarely is a team willing to give up what they want for it. Doubt TEN successfully trades it with this year's draft class, there isn't an Andrew Luck or Cam Newton type of player that teams will mortgage their future drafts over.

 

Unless TEN just really doesn't like anyone at #1 and will take whatever they can get back for it, it will be much clearer after the combine. I still think they wind up holding on to it and taking Tunsil or Bosa.

[Sizzlebshu]

On 1/19/2016 at 0:47 AM, Tenacious Faulker said:

Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter 9h9 hours ago

New Titans' GM Jon Robinson already has put the No. 1 pick up for sale. "We will look at any and all offers that come this way," he said.

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So LT Laremy Tunsil may not be the first player taken off the board which could set off a change reaction to drop several studs as the #GrabforGoff begins.  Perhaps two QBs will now end up going in the top 5?

 

What could this mean for the Ravens?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Why is this topic in this forum? 

[Sizzlebshu]

On 1/25/2016 at 11:53 PM, GrimCoconut said:

It's the value chart that NFL teams use. Go fight with them if you have a problem with it.

I could be wrong here but I don't think teams follow it that closely. I distinctly recall the Dion Jordan & Eric Reid trades of the 2013 class in which this trade value chart indicated that the Raiders & Cowboys respectively got fleeced, according to the TVC. Then again, I think that's the point--I don't think teams are as adherent to this chart as people think. It all depends on demand and the willingness to trade back for the team trading back. If the team wants to trade back and they don't get many offers, then they likely will even for an OK deal that doesn't favor them according to this chart.

Exceptionally weak class. For the most part the chart is pretty good except for those exceptional instances where you have a star prospect or everyone sucks. 

[ALPHA]

We need to upgrade the talent on all levels, penetrators/rotation on the line, a dominant rushbacker or two, a 3rd down MLB to groom and a secondary that can cover and set the tone.