Time to rethink the draft options...

[Tenacious Faulker]

Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter 9h9 hours ago

New Titans' GM Jon Robinson already has put the No. 1 pick up for sale. "We will look at any and all offers that come this way," he said.

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So LT Laremy Tunsil may not be the first player taken off the board which could set off a change reaction to drop several studs as the #GrabforGoff begins.  Perhaps two QBs will now end up going in the top 5?

 

What could this mean for the Ravens?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[PurpleCity5]

If the Titans trade down, IMO it wouldn't by a team that needs a QB. Looking at it, I just don't see the list of teams that need a QB that can jump that high, which certainly doesn't bold well for us. I think we could inquire but the price will be too much. 

[Inqui]

In every year I can remember, the GM with the #1 pick has always put said pick up for sale (except for Ernie Accorsi in the John Elway draft...). It's usually just the GM keeping their options open, so personally I wouldn't read too much into it.

[Tru11]

they always say this.

[usmccharles]

While they do always say this, i dont think anyone will be willing to pay the ransom to move up.  There is no Andrew Luck type of player imo thats worth the extra picks.  Unless someone really wanted to move infront of the Browns to get their QB (san fran), i dont see it happening.  But if san fran called and i was the GM it wouldnt take much to back to the 7th spot honestly, the Titans need a lot of help and an extra pick is just another player, even if its only a 2nd or so

[Tru11]

i cant think of any team who paid a kings ransom to move and ended up being successful.

[ALPHA]

i cant think of any team who paid a kings ransom to move and ended up being successful.

 

That doesn't mean it would never happen, if you don't have a QB you don't really have a choice but to keep drafting them until one sticks.

[Tru11]

That doesn't mean it would never happen, if you don't have a QB you don't really have a choice but to keep drafting them until one sticks.

 

true but its a pretty darn good indications that chances of it being successful are next to none.

 

unless there is a peyton manning sure thing in the draft @ QB its probably not a smart thing to consider doing.

[usmccharles]

true but its a pretty darn good indications that chances of it being successful are next to none.

 

unless there is a peyton manning sure thing in the draft @ QB its probably not a smart thing to consider doing.

I thik thats what some people are missing, even when it comes to our #6 pick.  just because we want to trade out, doesnt mean we can.  A team has to value a player significantly more than any other team.  Now if Cleveland doesnt take a qb we might get lucky and have someone try to get in front of San Fran, ie eagles, Rams.  I would bet money that the Titans will pick number one. 

[Tru11]

I thik thats what some people are missing, even when it comes to our #6 pick.  just because we want to trade out, doesnt mean we can.  A team has to value a player significantly more than any other team.  Now if Cleveland doesnt take a qb we might get lucky and have someone try to get in front of San Fran, ie eagles, Rams.  I would bet money that the Titans will pick number one. 

 

trading a lot of picks for 1 guys means you are betting your future on 1 guy.

 

never a wise thing in the NFL.

 

might be the only one but im not impressed with what the falcons have achieved since trading the house for julio jones.

[January J]

Nobody's gonna take the bait. However I'm still confident that we will have plenty of strong options to choose from. IMO we will be choosing from Ramsey, Stanley, Treadwell and Alexander. Possibly Buckner as well.

[Purple_City39]

trading a lot of picks for 1 guys means you are betting your future on 1 guy.

 

never a wise thing in the NFL.

 

might be the only one but im not impressed with what the falcons have achieved since trading the house for julio jones.

You're not the only one.  I thought it was a bad trade as soon as it happened.  I can't remember the last time a WR carried his team to the promised land and it's not like WR was the only thing they were missing.

 

On topic, I do agree they are just playing their options.  At best, someone between 3-4 trade up for it as it'll cost anyone else too much imo

[Purple_City39]

Nobody's gonna take the bait. However I'm still confident that we will have plenty of strong options to choose from. IMO we will be choosing from Ramsey, Stanley, Treadwell and Alexander. Possibly Buckner as well.

Can someone tell me how Alexander has shot up so many draft boards recently?  I see a lot of mocks and rankings putting him above Hargreaves now and I don't get it.

[January J]

Can someone tell me how Alexander has shot up so many draft boards recently?  I see a lot of mocks and rankings putting him above Hargreaves now and I don't get it.

after the combine I think you will get it. He kind of flew under the radar bc he's not really a playmaker..he just shuts down his side of the feild completely. Hes also a game tape junkie - he studies everything- even his teammates movements so he knows there tendencies and where they will be. This will help him at the nfl level tremendously. High character guy. I don't see him above vh3 or ramsey- but hes right there with them and IMO the safer pick. Could be a good tradeback target ..but he won't last past pick 15.

[Purple_City39]

after the combine I think you will get it. He kind of flew under the radar bc he's not really a playmaker..he just shuts down his side of the feild completely. Hes also a game tape junkie - he studies everything- even his teammates movements so he knows there tendencies and where they will be. This will help him at the nfl level tremendously. High character guy. I don't see him above vh3 or ramsey- but hes right there with them and IMO the safer pick. Could be a good tradeback target ..but he won't last past pick 15.

And that's where I think my issue is.  Is he really that good?  Not sure how everyone feels about the PFF guys, but here's a quote from Steve Palazzolo on Alexander:

 

42.1 percent of Alexander’s targets involved some kind of quarterback or receiver error (inaccuracy, dropped pass, etc), the second-highest percentage in the nation." He went on to observe that even when Alexander was beaten, poor throws and/or drops helped out his statistical profile.

 

 

Not to mention what I've seen of him has him being too physical.  A lot of his pass defenses would be penalties in the NFL.  I'm not saying he isn't good or even first round talent, but I wouldn't even glance his way at #6

[Guest]

Can someone tell me how Alexander has shot up so many draft boards recently?  I see a lot of mocks and rankings putting him above Hargreaves now and I don't get it.

 

Not a big believer in Hargreaves at all.  He'd be a very dicey pick.

 

Mackensie Alexander is a bit of a hot dog, but what you have to like is the fact he seems to always get his head around to look for the ball. That will play large in the NFL.  His tackling can be a little dicey, but certainly the  same is true of Hargreaves. Between the two, Alexander is more talented.

[rmcjacket23]

 

 

So LT Laremy Tunsil may not be the first player taken off the board which could set off a change reaction to drop several studs as the #GrabforGoff begins.  Perhaps two QBs will now end up going in the top 5?

 

What could this mean for the Ravens?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1. I'm not sure why everybody assumes Tunsil would be the Titans pick anyway. To me, it doesn't make much sense, since they already used a high draft pick on a LT who's been pretty good and is young and cheap (Taylor Lewan). Can't see using a #1 pick on a player who may play RT for many years.

 

2. Bosa or a high quality defender makes all the sense in the world for Tennessee, since they have practically no play makers on defense and its easily the side of the ball they need the most help with.

 

3. I highly doubt they trade the pick. Nobody is moving up to #1 for any player other than a QB, because there's nobody in this draft worthy of that. There's also not a franchise-level QB I see, like an Andrew Luck, willing to go up to #1 for. There's only maybe two teams in the top 10 even in need of a QB (Cleveland and San Francisco), and since they are the only two, they really don't have to bother moving up at all. Anybody else outside who needs a QB, like the Eagles or the Rams, would have to give up like 3-4 years of #1 draft picks to get to that spot, and I don't see the player in this draft worth that.

[usmccharles]

1. I'm not sure why everybody assumes Tunsil would be the Titans pick anyway. To me, it doesn't make much sense, since they already used a high draft pick on a LT who's been pretty good and is young and cheap (Taylor Lewan). Can't see using a #1 pick on a player who may play RT for many years.

 

This.  I am convinced they go with Bosa.  Just have that hunch. 

[BOLDnPurPnBlacK]

That doesn't mean it would never happen, if you don't have a QB you don't really have a choice but to keep drafting them until one sticks.

Well, Bradford will be out there. And I think Houston will get him which will scratch them off the list of suitors. San Fran is the only team that i think would feasibly move into the #1 spot but I think the value of bringing Kelly in was that he could potentially revive Kap as their franchise QB so they can use the draft and FA to fill other holes.

 

The Titans will end up selecting 1st overall.

 

The only way i see them not doing so is if the Browns move up 1 spot to prevent anyone from getting in front of them to take Goff, in which case the Titans still get their guy. Wouldnt help us at all.

[The Raven]

According to the NFL Draft Pick Value Chart, the number 1 pick is worth 3,000 points, and the number 6 pick is worth 1,600. We'd need to trade 1,400 more points worth of players/picks. 1,400 points would mean two firsts and a second. I'd like to stay put and even consider trading down.

Edited January 19, 2016 by The Raven

[GrimCoconut]

According to the NFL Draft Pick Value Chart, the number 1 pick is worth 3,000 points, and the number 6 pick is worth 1,600. We'd need to trade 1,400 more points worth of players/picks. 1,400 points would mean two firsts and a second. I'd like to stay put and even consider trading down.

This draft class kinda reminds me of 2008, which is also the last time we picked top 10. We traded down from 8, got picks, traded up, got Flacco. I could see a similar path this year as well. 

[Tenacious Faulker]

In every year I can remember, the GM with the #1 pick has always put said pick up for sale (except for Ernie Accorsi in the John Elway draft...). It's usually just the GM keeping their options open, so personally I wouldn't read too much into it.

Yeah, but it's not every year the Ravens have a short at top 5 talent.

 

All I'm getting at is that we may see desperate teams try to jump ahead to get the answer to their dilemma.  IF the Titans strike a deal with someone it will be for a QB needy team and Tunsil will fall.  That could mean two QBs go in the top 5 like Luck and RGIII (obviously pending the combine). The Ravens NOT are one of those teams. 

 

If Tunsil falls he could be scooped up by San Diego who's desperate for OL help as the window starts to close on River's career.  Most have them taking OLB stud Bosa at #3.  If not, that could move Bosa down to Dallas and Jacksonville (both desperately need DB and OL help respectively).  Both are stacked at linebacker.  That opens the door for an affordable trade up OR possibly watch as those teams draft sexy "need" picks and give us a shot at our future franchise pass rusher. 

 

San Diego stands pat on 3rd and drafts Bosa, we have less of a shot at Tunsil unless they trade up with Dallas and I don;t see them doing that in this case.

[GrimCoconut]

Yeah, but it's not every year the Ravens have a short at top 5 talent.

All I'm getting at is that we may see desperate teams try to jump ahead to get the answer to their dilemma. IF the Titans strike a deal with someone it will be for a QB needy team and Tunsil will fall. That could mean two QBs go in the top 5 like Luck and RGIII (obviously pending the combine). The Ravens NOT are one of those teams.

If Tunsil falls he could be scooped up by San Diego who's desperate for OL help as the window starts to close on River's career. Most have them taking OLB stud Bosa at #3. If not, that could move Bosa down to Dallas and Jacksonville (both desperately need DB and OL help respectively). Both are stacked at linebacker. That opens the door for an affordable trade up OR possibly watch as those teams draft sexy "need" picks and give us a shot at our future franchise pass rusher.

San Diego stands pat on 3rd and drafts Bosa, we have less of a shot at Tunsil unless they trade up with Dallas and I don;t see them doing that in this case.

Dallas desperately needs OL help?

[Deflated Football]

According to the NFL Draft Pick Value Chart, the number 1 pick is worth 3,000 points, and the number 6 pick is worth 1,600. We'd need to trade 1,400 more points worth of players/picks. 1,400 points would mean two firsts and a second. I'd like to stay put and even consider trading down.

Yikes. Unless the love child of Watt, Mack, Sizz, Von Miller and Wilkerson was at number one, I think I'll pass.

[jdynamite]

trading a lot of picks for 1 guys means you are betting your future on 1 guy.

never a wise thing in the NFL.

might be the only one but im not impressed with what the falcons have achieved since trading the house for julio jones.

I also don't particularly care for a team betting the farm on a single player.... But a lot of times the picks traded away also don't become anything. Lol.

I remember when the saints traded their whole draft for Ricky Williams, there was no way Ricky Williams could ever play up to those draft day expectations after that. He would have had to break the rushing record multiple times or carry the team to a super bowl.

In the curious case of the Julio Jones trade ( Cleveland did absolutely nothing with the picks acquired. ) The Falcons experienced immediate success, but since haven't played as well. Their defense has always been suspect and once Michael Turner was gone their run game became a non-factor as well.

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2015/8/30/9164545/julio-jones-falcons-browns-2011-draft-trade

At least the Rams managed to get some solid selections from the RG3 deal, no one could have predicted RG3 scenario following his stellar rookie year. ( Rams manage to get some key contributors to the team Janoris Jenkins, Olgetree, S.Bailey to name a few but they still can't make the playoffs which is right on par with a Jeff Fisher team lol ) http://mweb.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/25309745/just-so-theres-no-confusion-the-rams-got-the-better-end-of-rg3-trade.

[Drew P]

Watch the Browns trade for it lol

[jdynamite]

Can someone tell me how Alexander has shot up so many draft boards recently? I see a lot of mocks and rankings putting him above Hargreaves now and I don't get it.

Coming out of high school those 2 were considered 1A, 1B, so M.Alexander was always viewed as a talented player, but he didn't come out of gates as impressive as Hargreaves, or K.Fuller.. It led to him being overlooked some imo. Honestly through most of the season, most of the mocks ignored him until right around the ACC championship game then I started seeing him in first round mocks. Alexander plays some solid man coverage, has good feet.

Interestingly it seems like a lot of mocks forgot about Kendall Fuller whom also is a stud..

[ALPHA]

Yikes. Unless the love child of Watt, Mack, Sizz, Von Miller and Wilkerson was at number one, I think I'll pass.

 

Well there is one guy who might be, we could use a 10 year stud to build our defense around.

[BmoreBird22]

1. I'm not sure why everybody assumes Tunsil would be the Titans pick anyway. To me, it doesn't make much sense, since they already used a high draft pick on a LT who's been pretty good and is young and cheap (Taylor Lewan). Can't see using a #1 pick on a player who may play RT for many years.

 

2. Bosa or a high quality defender makes all the sense in the world for Tennessee, since they have practically no play makers on defense and its easily the side of the ball they need the most help with.

 

3. I highly doubt they trade the pick. Nobody is moving up to #1 for any player other than a QB, because there's nobody in this draft worthy of that. There's also not a franchise-level QB I see, like an Andrew Luck, willing to go up to #1 for. There's only maybe two teams in the top 10 even in need of a QB (Cleveland and San Francisco), and since they are the only two, they really don't have to bother moving up at all. Anybody else outside who needs a QB, like the Eagles or the Rams, would have to give up like 3-4 years of #1 draft picks to get to that spot, and I don't see the player in this draft worth that.

1. Why not spend highly on a right tackle, or good offensive lineman in general? It's not like the left tackle position is anymore likely to yield pressure and teams like to move their OLB's and pass rushers around more to generate pressure. Not to mention that Titans allowed 52 sacks, which was good for last in the league and caused Mariota to miss four full games. Consider also that Mariota is a mobile quarterback, so 52 sacks is really dreadful.

 

Also, if you're one to believe that tackles take time to develop into the NFL due to the speed and experience of veteran edge rushers, I'm sure the Titans would be glad to use Tunsil at guard where Warmack and Spain/Poutasi combined to be one of the worst guard tandems in the league. Also, given the increasing athleticism of defensive tackles and how detrimental interior pressure is, it's not bad to have elite guard play. This is also assuming the Titans don't want to just flat out upgrade over Byron Bell who was a big reason the Panthers had one of the worst offensive lines in the league last year.

 

2. They're pretty strong upfront, actually. Jurrell Casey is probably one of the best 3-4 DT's in the league and Derrick Morgan might be one of the more underrated pass rushers in the league. Also, for having just come off a season ending injury, Brian Orakpo had a fairly solid season. All three of them also have three years left on their contracts, so unless they're going to get cut, which they won't, the Titans don't have a need for a pass rusher immediately. 

 

Bosa would not make sense for Tennessee because they run the 4-3 and Bosa is way too tall and lacks the natural bend to be an outside linebacker, not that they really need another pass rusher. What they really need would be good inside linebackers (won't happen at one overall) or a really good defensive back and that's not going to happen at one overall with the available prospects. Also, considering the price to trade up to one, no teams will likely pull the trigger in this particular class, so the Titans probably won't be moving back for a defender.

 

3. You pretty much just hit on what I was saying above. So, assuming that the Titans do indeed stay at one, Tunsil is probably the most likely pick.

[BmoreBird22]

Dallas desperately needs OL help?

Guessing he probably meant DL since he referenced Bosa