[News] Late For Work 1/18: Five Points About Ravens Coaching Changes That Matter

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[Bat-mite]

Glad to see they are making some efforts to fix the coaching. Time will tell if these were the right moves. My only regret is that if Frazier comes in here and turns things around, he'll be gone the following year. I hate being the farm system for other teams' coaches.

[Minionhunter]

Tomlin cries after the loss last night. He also tried to give the impression that he was only wearing the sweatshirt but he was caught wearing the jacket more than once taking it off to go into halftime and for the end of the game. Seems like a fake tough guy posturing.

[cobrajet]

RIP Ted. *******Sarah, please do not put anymore pictures of Jim Irsay on this site. I got sick to my stomach looking at that jerk.

Edited January 18, 2016 by cobrajet

[The Mom Gene]

RIP Ted. *******Sarah, please do not put anymore pictures of Jim Irsay on this site. I got sick to my stomach looking at that jerk.

 

...and Edelman imitating Br*dy???  Really?

 

I mean, I know it's the offseason, and news is slow, but really?

[BmoreB]

I think there should have been something on here about the Steelers losing yesterday. More appropriate than the stupid Edelman vid.

[balfan23]

Tomlin cries after the loss last night. He also tried to give the impression that he was only wearing the sweatshirt but he was caught wearing the jacket more than once taking it off to go into halftime and for the end of the game. Seems like a fake tough guy posturing.

Well, he has Ben as his QB. Not that Ben's toughness is "fake" but boy he does know how to play it up.

 

Goes out on a cart with a bruised shoulder last week (who does that?) ... so all the buzz is about whether or not Ben can fight through this serious injury ... when anyone who is familiar with this schtick knew he was going to be just fine. 

[TruRavensFan52]

Edelman is overrated

[balfan23]

Really hope that Frazier can help bring around this secondary, because I'm just not convinced that they are as bad from a skill standpoint as they've looked. But in the end, all he can do is coach technique. He can't dictate how the unit will approach a game. It will still be the DCs call, as to whether the unit should give receivers a 10 yard cushion rather than to play up and challenge.

 

Perhaps if Frazier has the DBs playing better, then the DC will be less prone to have us playing scared in the secondary. It will be interesting to see how they all work together.

[harfordravenfan]

Interesting that Frazier would rather be our secondary coach than the DC for the Browns. Either he views the Browns as "a bad career move", would rather coach with his long time friend harbs, or perhaps he could be in line for something bigger if the secondary improves... One can hope right?

 

Couldn't imagine having to make sure the shower is big enough before getting a place lol, happy for Mr. Williams

[DynastyofBaltimore]

I hope we get a few DBs for Frazier to groom. We need CBs specifically with more than half of our defense being safeties lol Seriously, though, I like Frazier, and I think having him here with the DBs we have, maybe a couple extra via free agency and/or the draft, and an improved pass rush will really vault us back into superbowl contention. It's already kind of obvious that the offense is going to do a little better with Joe Flacco coming back.

[Raven1995]

Leslie Frazier great hire. Still need a top draft pick from the first 3 rounds at Cornerback and maybe one from free agency. They talked about all the new hires except Joe Cullen, who as reported by the Baltimore Sun has Had a DUI and Driving thru a Wendys with no clothes on. I can see why they "Glossed" over this with the History of Andy Moeller, but you have to report the good with the Bad.

[billiejean]

Interesting that Frazier would rather be our secondary coach than the DC for the Browns. Either he views the Browns as "a bad career move", would rather coach with his long time friend harbs, or perhaps he could be in line for something bigger if the secondary improves... One can hope right?

 

Couldn't imagine having to make sure the shower is big enough before getting a place lol, happy for Mr. Williams

Are you insinuating that Frazier could be in line for the DC job at some point?  You do realize that he is a specialist in the 4-3 tampa 2 defense (he has never been a DC or HC in a system other than the 4-3 tampa 2).  If he became the DC it would necessitate a total change in defensive philosophy.  Not to mention a total overhaul of our defensive personnel.

Edited January 18, 2016 by billiejean

[BallSoHard808]

I thought all you had to do to impersonate Brady is cry and ask for penalties all the time lol

[steelcityraven]

If we want to keep Leslie Frazier on staff.... I think we wait until game 1 or 2 is over... and send Pees packing and promote Frazier (wait...maybe that's how we got him here0???? Lets hope its after game 1 and not game 2~!

[harfordravenfan]

Are you insinuating that Frazier could be in line for the DC job at some point?  You do realize that he is a specialist in the 4-3 tampa 2 defense (he has never been a DC or HC in a system other than the 4-3 tampa 2).  If he became the DC it would necessitate a total change in defensive philosophy.  Not to mention a total overhaul of our defensive personnel.

 

My bad (didn't even think to look that up), so if he does well, it's another one and gone scenario where he could go to a team not named the Browns. Appreciate the info billiejean

[billiejean]

My bad (didn't even think to look that up), so if he does well, it's another one and gone scenario where he could go to a team not named the Browns. Appreciate the info billiejean

I mean I'm sure the guy knows enough about a 3-4 defense to coach one.  Heck maybe we actually switch to the 4-3, stranger things have happened. Although both of these scenarios are pretty unlikely, i actually think poor old Arthur Brown would do better in a 4-3 defense as a will linebacker.

[steelcityraven]

The Patriots run a 4-3 and that is where Pees came from. Frazier is a professional coach with 27 years exp... he understands football, defensive football and football philosophy enough to fit into a system. This is what coaches and players do in the NFL... yes there are OLBs that and even some DL more suited for a 4-3 then a 3-4 and vice versa but coaches move from system to system... all throughout the league. As bad as Pees has had our defense perform... I would not be surprised if Frazier was not meant to be an in house insurance program.... in case we had to send Pees packing... Frazier has the knowledge, ability and experience to not just adjust but to step in and take over if needed.

[bioLarzen]

Edelman is overrated

 

Edelman in himslef might be - it's the Brady-Edelman connection that's brutal. No wonder when Edelman was an UFA in 2014 no team snatched him.

[Minionhunter]

I don't understand why Tomlin crying after the loss last night isn't getting more press. Sure the steelers press is covering for him but the fact is this is an nfl head coach crying after he just lost in a public forum. Is it me or is that just weak and soft? I couldn't believe it when I heard this last night, this is supposed to be the NFL!

 

It's not like this was in the locker room or for team consumption. This is a guy the steelers press says doesn't do anything that isn't calculated (after trying to trip JJ). A guy who said that calling him a player's coach was racist. Now crying because he lost. What is his game?

Edited January 18, 2016 by Minionhunter

[steelcityraven]

2 EX-RAVENS (Jacoby Jones and Fitzgerald Touissant) did a lot of damage to the Steelers this year. This truly is somehow poetic justice... Not only cant they beat us but the lose other games bc of us (kinda). I love it!

[RavensBaltimore]

Edelman is overrated

The Patriots are 10-0 with Edelman and 3-4 without him. Their offense was looking pretty bad late in the season. Brady is overrated.

[harfordravenfan]

I mean I'm sure the guy knows enough about a 3-4 defense to coach one.  Heck maybe we actually switch to the 4-3, stranger things have happened. Although both of these scenarios are pretty unlikely, i actually think poor old Arthur Brown would do better in a 4-3 defense as a will linebacker.

 

Could surely see Arthur doing better in a 4-3, still wanted to see him get a chance with us, as long as his tackling was good his speed could be very useful

[billiejean]

The Patriots run a 4-3 and that is where Pees came from. Frazier is a professional coach with 27 years exp... he understands football, defensive football and football philosophy enough to fit into a system. This is what coaches and players do in the NFL... yes there are OLBs that and even some DL more suited for a 4-3 then a 3-4 and vice versa but coaches move from system to system... all throughout the league. As bad as Pees has had our defense perform... I would not be surprised if Frazier was not meant to be an in house insurance program.... in case we had to send Pees packing... Frazier has the knowledge, ability and experience to not just adjust but to step in and take over if needed.

When Dean was with the patriots they ran the 3-4.  There are very few DCs that switch from 4-3 to 3-4 or vice versa.  If you can find any examples of this I would love to know about them.

This site tells you the types of defenses that teams have utilized and in what year they were utilized. Like I said, if you can find a DC that flip flops between defenses I would love to know about it.

 

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/nwe/

Edited January 18, 2016 by billiejean

[RavensFanOfLA]

I don't understand why Tomlin crying after the loss last night isn't getting more press. Sure the steelers press is covering for him but the fact is this is an nfl head coach crying after he just lost in a public forum. Is it me or is that just weak and soft? I couldn't believe it when I heard this last night, this is supposed to be the NFL!

 

It's not like this was in the locker room or for team consumption. This is a guy the steelers press says doesn't do anything that isn't calculated (after trying to trip JJ). A guy who said that calling him a player's coach was racist. Now crying because he lost. What is his game?

just seems to me that you're babbling about nothing

[steelcityraven]

billiejean.... the Patriots currently flop between a 4-3 and a 3-4. They do right now. THey have actually bragged about being able to adjust to their opponent. Dick LeBeau is a good example and he did it pretty well. Before joining Pittsburgh in 1992 he was with the Bengals and ran a 4-3 in 1991.... in 1992 he went to Pittsburgh and established the 3-4... Recently left Pittsburgh (where he ran a 3-4 for over a decade) and became the DC with the Titans who run primarily a 4-3. Mike Smith was changed on the fly in TB running a 3-4 one year and then back to a 4-3.... Our own Chuck Pagano took over in Indy and switched them over to a 3-4 without swapping out a DC (at least at the time)... and Mike Manusky was tasked with handeling the crossover! Those are just some and there are a ton of college examples also - it happens and Leslie Frazier has the experience and understanding of the game to be able to make that switch.. if necessary!

[billiejean]

billiejean.... the Patriots currently flop between a 4-3 and a 3-4. They do right now. THey have actually bragged about being able to adjust to their opponent. Dick LeBeau is a good example and he did it pretty well. Before joining Pittsburgh in 1992 he was with the Bengals and ran a 4-3 in 1991.... in 1992 he went to Pittsburgh and established the 3-4... Recently left Pittsburgh (where he ran a 3-4 for over a decade) and became the DC with the Titans who run primarily a 4-3. Mike Smith was changed on the fly in TB running a 3-4 one year and then back to a 4-3.... Our own Chuck Pagano took over in Indy and switched them over to a 3-4 without swapping out a DC (at least at the time)... and Mike Manusky was tasked with handeling the crossover! Those are just some and there are a ton of college examples also - it happens and Leslie Frazier has the experience and understanding of the game to be able to make that switch.. if necessary!

i stand corrected 

[trhsjr]

Why do we change secondary coaches when all year we were patient? Then the last 8 games we are the number 2 ranked overall defense, and number 1 ranked passing D? Frazier better pay off, I understand there is always room for improvement but how are we supposed to be able build a solid team if every year we sign 1 year coaches? Great Frazier May be an improvement, then he gets a new deal and we start all over again trying to fix the secondary!?

[steelcityraven]

trhsjr... I feel you but I really believe that our improvement over the back half of the season was more to do with our schedule then it was schematic changes. We bragged all year that the 2nd half of the schedule favored us - playing many non-playoff caliber teams and something like 5 of the final 8 at games at M&T... I know the numbers looked very improved but we need to consider who it was against and where they were at!

V Jags we gave up 20 - v RAMS 13 - @ Cleveland 27 - @ Miami 15 - V SEATTLE 35 - V KC 34 - v PITT 17 and @ Cincy 24 So that means vs Play off teams (Seattle, KC, Pitt and CIncy) in the 2ndhalf we gave up 27.5 points per game. (same as the 1st half of the season). AND 3 of those 4 games were at home. WHat skewed the numbers a bit was the games vs weak teams. (Jax, Rams, Dolphins) we averaged giving up only 16 points per game. (and 2 of those were also at home). Our 3 AFCNORTH foes in the 2nd half of the season we averaged (almost 23 points per game) so if there is any improvement it would be there but the Browns still scorched us for another 27. The Browns. Lets not fool ourselves... the only reason we were better in the 2nd half of the season is bc of a favorable schedule. Reality is that we played 8 playoff teams over the course of this season (Denver, Cincy 2x, Pitt 2x, Cards, KC, and Seattle). We averaged giving up nearly 26 points per game vs those teams. It was no better in the 2nd half of the season / the only thing better was who we played and where we played them!

[cigarjon68]

Thank God Hewitt was a disaster last season too bad Ed Reed did not get the job but Leslie Frazier is a massive upgrade .