Marc Trestman

[JustinB]

What did you guys think this year about Marc Trestman, I haven't really heard much about him since the season ended and I was curious about what everyone else thinks.

 

I was only able to watch 2 games this year so I didn't really get a good look so I figured let everyone else who watched every game or many of them and have a discussion on him.

 

What did you like what did you hate, did you see anything to give you hope for the future or are we facing despair and misery next year.  

 

I know this isn't the best year to talk about him because of all the injuries but try anyways. 

 

To start I will say I didn't like seeing Joe pass 40-50 times a game that just isn't going to work if we can't get the running game involved.

 

Before I forget please no bashing him like we do Pee's hes been here for a couple years so we know what he brings but Trestmans only been here a year so lets give him a chance, remember were not the Browns we don't fire coaches after 1 year

 

 

[ravensdfan]

My biggest issue with Trestman right now is the play calling during 2 min drills. They used to be our strong point and were one of our weakest this season. That needs fixed immediately.

 

It is his first year and he was trying to run someone else's offense. Perhaps they'll let him run his own next year and things will improve.

Edited January 18, 2016 by ravensdfan

[Ravenseconbeast]

He did far better than expected.  

[PurpleCity5]

Not much to complain about given the lack of talent and play-makers on the offensive side of the ball. His two minute drills have looked pretty awful though, I really think that they are super conservative, I mean it feels like we have not put much value in 2-minute drills. If you can score right before the half, and get the ball back and score again, then you go up by two possessions, that's huge. 

[Tru11]

he did a good job given what he had to work with.

[Purple_City39]

He went through 4 QBs, who knows how many o-line combinations, all available TEs, and multiple WRs and RBs while using someone else's playbook and still came within 100 yards of surpassing that person's previous record.  I'm perfectly fine with Marc Trestman right now and can't wait to see how he does with a healthy team 

[Club Sec. 217 Seat 2]

_{Honestly it is too tough to give a good response to this question.  If you look at how our offense finished up that stats actually painted a better picture than what it really was.  For me, I am a season ticket holder I have not missed a game in probably 10 years, football fanatic so I know a good bit about football..but there were too many times when I was sitting there watching the game either in my seat in the stadium or on my couch, and I could tell you exactly what play was coming next.  He just lacked creativity.  It was so scripted to me it was like RUN RIGHT, RUN LEFT, PASS.  It was like he has a rule that you must run the ball on first down every series and it must be the same exact run play lol.  3rd and 4th and short we would almost always try to go outside to pick up the big first down..and while it worked at times I would be questioning how he could do it again and again in the same game.  I had an issue with the offense's lack of urgency in a lot of instances.  There were times where I thought we needed to change something up to get on a roll and it was like we were just complacent doing what we were doing.  Some of these issues I don't know if it is all on Trestman....I don't know if he would be more creative with more skilled players you might think so but I don't think it is a given.  I also think Joe got frustrated with the offense at a point in the season as well which was disappointing bc he is pretty cool and calm but he was visibly frustrated at times this year before he got hurt...both with the skilled positions and play calling}

[HoldingCall]

Work is needed this off season on the run game,  2 Minute drill, and red-zone plays. I think once a stable list of starters at RB and WR is established things should go much smoother.

[757RavensFan]

He did far better than expected.  

 

 

he did a good job given what he had to work with.

 

 

He did a GREAT job all things considering.  The offense was a M.A.S.H. unit this year and we started 4 different QBs over the course of the season.  The Ravens finished 14th in Total Offense under Trestman.  Last year under Kubiak (who everyone loved), we finished 12th in Total offense.  To fall only 2 spots in total offense after ALL of the injuries to the offense, Trestman far exceeded my expectations.   I truly don't know why he catches so much flack on this board. 

 

Even though the Broncos and Kubiak won yesterday, their offense was anemic and some of the play calling was just horrible.  I like what we have in Trestman.  

[Tru11]

He did a GREAT job all things considering.  The offense was a M.A.S.H. unit this year and we started 4 different QBs over the course of the season.  The Ravens finished 14th in Total Offense under Trestman.  Last year under Kubiak (who everyone loved), we finished 12th in Total offense.  To fall only 2 spots in total offense after ALL of the injuries to the offense, Trestman far exceeded my expectations.   I truly don't know why he catches so much flack on this board. 

 

Even though the Broncos and Kubiak won yesterday, their offense was anemic and some of the play calling was just horrible.  I like what we have in Trestman.  

 

people rather blame who ever they like the least from coaches to players to the FO.

 

just go look it up.

 

its always the fault of the person they like less then the one who probably is at fault if anyone or just 1 person is at fault lol

Edited January 18, 2016 by Tru11

[usmccharles]

I hope we are able to actually keep him for years. I think he's like Rex Ryan, more of a coordinator than a HC

[JoeyFlex5]

he needs to work on balance and situational play calling, but i think we may have finally found our OC. 

 

we also gotta get a worthwhile qb coach because joes mechanics regressed in trestmans high octane system, they were on point last year with kubiaks run first, play action, quick strike west coast, joe looked like a regular brady out there last year, so we definitely gotta get him more comfortable in this system, i also think that has a lot to do with getting a LT and a WR for him, we cant have him staring down steve and crockett on every snap anymore.

[GrimCoconut]

I think he won't get any HC jobs any time soon, either. He did a good job with all things considered. He needs to be more balanced but he did a good job. If we hired Gase, we'd be looking for another OC yet again. 

[Tank 92]

It would be nice to have a competent OC AND a group of decent receivers together for 3 or 4 years as the best offensive units seem to have that common thread. Trestman seems like he could be that guy and we finally have decent options at TE. Just need to upgrade the WRs.

[balfan23]

I think he won't get any HC jobs any time soon, either. He did a good job with all things considered. He needs to be more balanced but he did a good job. If we hired Gase, we'd be looking for another OC yet again. 

I don't think we passed on Gase, because of our fear over his departure. i think we're going to take the guy who is in the best position to help our offense succeed. That said - I agree ... I thought that as soon as I saw Gase getting his HC job. 

 

I think Trestman did fine and I'm interested in seeing how he does with a second year in the offense and with (hopefully) improved personnel with players returning from injury and hopefully a couple of key additions. I honestly think if we have a successful year, that may still not be enough for teams to draw him away as an HC, because I think he's reached the point in his career where other organizations are going to view him as a solid OC but not an HC. 

[Gordo52]

Extremely hard to evaluate. All things considering, I think he did good. I love having the continuity heading into next season even though they don't have experience all together.

Never gonna have an injury free season but hopefully it doesn't hit us nearly as hard next year.

We'll have Smith coming back who I refuse to doubt/rule out coming back stronger/better. Perriman (hopefully), Aiken hopefully, in a lesser role which works better for everyone, maybe Camp for a few games, a few rookie WR's, TE's that should be even better, nice group of RB's...

The talent is definitely there. Adding depth + and another playmaking WR should still be priorities. I hope it's true that Joe will be back in time for TC to build better rapport with Trestman and Perriman, specifically.

[DomMcRaven]

I liked what he did for the most part. Yes, he has flaws that the posters above mentioned, but looking at the "weapons" we had along with what happened after Joe went down, what more could he do? Once we get the playmakers that PurpleCity5 constantly alludes to, our offense could do some serious damage. After all, we gotta keep up with the Bengals and Steelers if we want to win the division. 

[GrimCoconut]

I don't think we passed on Gase, because of our fear over his departure. i think we're going to take the guy who is in the best position to help our offense succeed. That said - I agree ... I thought that as soon as I saw Gase getting his HC job.

I think Trestman did fine and I'm interested in seeing how he does with a second year in the offense and with (hopefully) improved personnel with players returning from injury and hopefully a couple of key additions. I honestly think if we have a successful year, that may still not be enough for teams to draw him away as an HC, because I think he's reached the point in his career where other organizations are going to view him as a solid OC but not an HC.

Yeah I didn't mean to imply we hired Trestman over Gase because of more longevity. That's just an added bonus. I thought the same as well.

[The Raven]

Too conservative and too pass happy. I know that sounds backwards but it's true. His passing game revolves around short completions that rely on the receiver to make a play after the catch. He does call a lot of bunch formations with a lot of rub routes, and he does a great job at using route concepts to create separation, but he just calls way too many short passes. One thing he struggles with is stretching the field vertically.

 

One thing Kubiak did well as far as route concepts was having threats at three levels to stretch defenses. Kubiak frequently called plays that had a deep receiver, an intermediate receiver, and a short receiver. This creates separation by stretching zones. Trestman is not good at simultaneously attacking all three levels of a defense. There were so many third down plays in the first half of the year where he would run all the receivers on short routes. That does nothing but create congestion and clog passing lanes. I want to say he got better at this as the season went on but route spacing is something we struggled with. He's not aggressive enough through the air.

 

Which brings me to point two. For being too conservative, he passed way too much. We led the league in pass attempts and we were towards the bottom in rush attempts. There was no balance in our offense. Balance is crucial for so many reasons. When you're too pass happy, you get forced into 3rd and longs more, you become predictable, you don't sustain drives, etc... Balance is the key to an efficient offense. 

 

Yes, we were top 15 in offense, but we were terrible in the stats that matter. We were 22nd in yards per play. We were 23rd in 3rd down percentage. Despite leading the league in attempts, we only ranked 29th in yards per pass.

 

Aggregate yards don't matter. If you have a lot of drives, you're going to have a lot of yards. Efficiency and 3rd down conversions, to me, are far more reliable indicators of a good offense. You can't score if you can't sustain a drive. You win the game by scoring more points than the other team. How many points did we get? 328, ranking 25th. That's not good enough.

 

I fully understand that Trestman had crap to work with and that we missed a lot of players, but I don't think he did a good job at helping himself. 

[usmccharles]

One thing he struggles with is stretching the field vertically.

kind of hard when you don't have a deep threat... Just saying

[gtalk12]

kind of hard when you don't have a deep threat... Just saying

 

That's what Perriman is going to be for

[The Raven]

kind of hard when you don't have a deep threat... Just saying

 

Deep threat or not, you still need to design routes that stretch defenses and create separation. That's what great offensive coaches do.

[GRRaven]

You can design all you want. If there is nothing to take the bait then it is wasted effort.

[usmccharles]

That's what Perriman is going to be for

I'm aware, just referencing that we didn't have one this year when someone is complaining about no one taking the top off the defense.

[JEEPercreepermd]

Trestman did a good job as far as I'm concerned. Considering who was on the field by the end of the season, yet the offense was still able to move the ball to an extent. 

[DomMcRaven]

As for the deep threat, didn't we try that with AIken from time to time even though he isn't a burner like Torrey?

[Tank 92]

As for the deep threat, didn't we try that with AIken from time to time even though he isn't a burner like Torrey?

 

Tried a little bit with Givens the last couple of games I think.

[DomMcRaven]

Tried a little bit with Givens the last couple of games I think.

Yeah I realize that, but I remember Aiken was used as a "deep threat" earlier on the season as well. 

[Ravenslifer]

I can't really evaluate him based on this season.  I just remember that in 2012, Caldwell took over Cam's offense and did some simple things that turned it into a playoff juggernaut.  Then injuries and departures at every position lead to the travesty of 2013.  Our intended offense in 2015 was supposed to have SSS and Perriman as the starters, and Pitta/Gilmore as the top 2 tight ends.  That was supposed to be 64 games started between them, but we ended up with 17 total for the 4 of them.  Even taking out Pitta, we had limited contributions from the guys who were supposed to be our workhorses this year.  I mean, Chris Givens started 6 games for us.  Not to mention, Eugene Monroe getting hurt really messed up the o-line IMO, since we had to shift guys around midseason.  Last year, pretty much everyone on the offensive side of the ball that needed to be healthy was healthy.  This year not so much.