Combine Numbers that would make you change draft value?

[52liveforever]

I see Bosa's 40 time around 4.8, but that doesn't worry me so much

[harfordravenfan]

Didn't know Perriman amazed at the combine, he was invisible out there to me.

 

He was just so fast you didn't see him  

[52520Andrew]

He was just so fast you didn't see him

Or maybe he didn't work out in the combine due to a hamstring injury

[ravensnation5220]

-Treadwells 40 time for sure.

-Stanleys bench press better at least be 30

-I expect to see ramsey perform well especially broad jump and vert. But i want to see his cone drill time and shuttle, i feel he might struggle.

-Alexander should do good. I just want to see him perform without a hamstring issue. I really want to see him just catch the ball lol

-I feel vh3 has the most to lose. I want to see his measurables, most importantly height and wingspan, i feel his 40 will be underwhelming but his cone and shuttle times are going to be phenomenal in my opinion

Long time till the combine but thats what ill be looking at

[ravensnation5220]

Didn't know Perriman amazed at the combine, he was invisible out there to me.

he didn't perform at the combine, he got a 4.23 40 from his pro day

[52520Andrew]

he didn't perform at the combine, he got a 4.23 40 from his pro day

2 posts up from yours, I said he didn't perform at the combine.

Edited January 18, 2016 by 52520Andrew

[Mt. Crushmore]

2 most important things at the combine happen behind closed doors: interviews and medicals 

[52520Andrew]

2 most important things at the combine happen behind closed doors: interviews and medicals

Really wish I could be there for our interviews at the combine

[harfordravenfan]

Or maybe he didn't work out in the combine due to a hamstring injury

 

touché

 

Had a feeling an injury comment was coming lol

[52520Andrew]

touché

Had a feeling an injury comment was coming lol

Yeah the really fast time was at his pro day which is why we don't know exactly what it was. It was a fast one though, there is no doubt about that

[JoeyFlex5]

Hey, what were Bradys combine numbers? How about say a guy like Antonio Brown? Oh wait Johnny Manziel amazed at the combine. So did Perriman. Yeah, the combine is a joke. Watch game film. See football speed and work ethic. Not what a guy can do in short and a tshirt.

lol. Mentioned perriman who wasn't at the combine, then tell us watch the film as if perriman doesn't have a very impressive film reel... This is just wrong on so many fronts

[Maryland]

I think you have an excellent list there, but it's missing Ogbah, who could easily be picked by us if he has a stellar combine. Oz, Harbs, and Steve all want pass rush more than anything else, and with Bosa off the board, he could be that guy. Not who I want necessarily, but it's my current, totally too soon prediction lol

[JoeyFlex5]

Necro alert. 

 

What would Mackenzie Alexander have to do at the combine to lock himself in as a top 10 pick and could he do anything to make us consider him at 6? 

 

What 40 time would Shaq Lawson have to post to fall to the 2nd and is there any player who we would take over him if this were to happen? 

 

Can Kendall fuller or William Jackson fall to the 3rd round? I wonder if they post average 40 times if that happens and I wonder if they would prove it to be a non factor.

[RaineV1]

1 hour ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Necro alert. 

 

What would Mackenzie Alexander have to do at the combine to lock himself in as a top 10 pick and could he do anything to make us consider him at 6? 

 

What 40 time would Shaq Lawson have to post to fall to the 2nd and is there any player who we would take over him if this were to happen? 

 

Can Kendall fuller or William Jackson fall to the 3rd round? I wonder if they post average 40 times if that happens and I wonder if they would prove it to be a non factor.

For Alexander, I say his shuttle and high jump would be the defining issue. He'll nail any interviews he has, and I know Coach Harbaugh and Ozzie will love his film studying habits. But to really sell himself he has to show that he can handle the amazing receivers the Ravens have to play against. He has to be able to keep up with Brown and not got beat by suddenly cuts. The bigger issue is that he'll have to show that can can handle large receivers like Bryant and AJ Green (who have a good five or six inch advantage on him). But if he can go out and wow people in those two drills, then he can be a legit top ten pick, and someone the Ravens would happily take.

[Mt. Crushmore]

8 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Necro alert. 

 

What would Mackenzie Alexander have to do at the combine to lock himself in as a top 10 pick and could he do anything to make us consider him at 6? 

 

What 40 time would Shaq Lawson have to post to fall to the 2nd and is there any player who we would take over him if this were to happen? 

 

Can Kendall fuller or William Jackson fall to the 3rd round? I wonder if they post average 40 times if that happens and I wonder if they would prove it to be a non factor.

For me its more of what doesn't Hargreaves do? I.E, measures in well below his listed size or runs slow. 

[BmoreBird22]

8 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Necro alert. 

 

What would Mackenzie Alexander have to do at the combine to lock himself in as a top 10 pick and could he do anything to make us consider him at 6? 

 

What 40 time would Shaq Lawson have to post to fall to the 2nd and is there any player who we would take over him if this were to happen? 

 

Can Kendall fuller or William Jackson fall to the 3rd round? I wonder if they post average 40 times if that happens and I wonder if they would prove it to be a non factor.

I don't know about Jackson, but Fuller should not fall to the third based on combine. He'll be recovering from his meniscus surgery, so people should already temper expectations and Bridgewater is a really good recent example of putting too much stock into pro day or combine.

[Dubs]

9 hours ago, JoeyFlex5 said:

Necro alert. 

 

What would Mackenzie Alexander have to do at the combine to lock himself in as a top 10 pick and could he do anything to make us consider him at 6? 

 

What 40 time would Shaq Lawson have to post to fall to the 2nd and is there any player who we would take over him if this were to happen? 

 

Can Kendall fuller or William Jackson fall to the 3rd round? I wonder if they post average 40 times if that happens and I wonder if they would prove it to be a non factor.

To lock MaCkenzie in the top ten I think he will need a pretty solid display I would say under 4.43 - 40 time and under 4.1 - short shuttle would get some buzz going

On Shaq lawson, I think he is a 2nd rounder and will be a second rounder even with a decent combine...so I won't say much more other than if he goes in the first i will be surprised

 

Fuller no, Jackson maybe. Not the most loaded CB class so he may get pushed up no matter what

[GrimCoconut]

Fuller is too much of a playmaker for me to think he could fall to the third. His 40 could impact him but I'm not sure if it'll get much consideration. It's one of those things I think helps him if it's good and has no effect if it's okay. 

On the subject of Alexander, I think his vertical makes a big difference. I think it also depends on how well Hargreaves does. 

Jackson could go in the third. I see him as mid second, early third. 

[52liveforever]

If Robert Aguayo runs under 4.3 I think he could make it to first round consideration.

[gabefergy]

Kind of some basic numbers players should pass. Does the combine stack up to the film.

Edge rushers and DT should do well in 10yd split, Vert, Broad, 3 cone. 40 is less important. WR is similar but slightly more emphasis on 40, especially for the smaller speed types.

CBs I look more at size and arm length, anything below 5'10" is bad. Vertical and 3 cone are key, 40 in the 4.5s at worst.

OT arm length is key. Jumps are important too.

 

 

[outkast1]

Combine numbers are only important if you have two guys that are equal at their position. Game tape is the only real factor in drafting.

[gabefergy]

24 minutes ago, outkast1 said:

Combine numbers are only important if you have two guys that are equal at their position. Game tape is the only real factor in drafting.

This isn't true at all.

[BmoreBird22]

1 hour ago, gabefergy said:

This isn't true at all.

While I don't agree entirely, there is way too much emphasis put on the combine and the numbers

[ngatainmyhouse]

2 hours ago, outkast1 said:

Combine numbers are only important if you have two guys that are equal at their position. Game tape is the only real factor in drafting.

Yea Byron Jones was projected 1st rounder the whole offseason....

 

[allblackraven]

38 minutes ago, BmoreBird22 said:

While I don't agree entirely, there is way too much emphasis put on the combine and the numbers

Most teams are good with that though, it's the media and fans who go crazy over fast 40 dash and bench reps. Combine numbers cannot be completely disregarded but if there's a mismatch, I'd always trust the tape first.

[rmw10]

Just now, allblackraven said:

Most teams are good with that though, it's the media and fans who go crazy over fast 40 dash and bench reps. Combine numbers cannot be completely disregarded but if there's a mismatch, I'd always trust the tape first.

For sure.  I think there's a lot more to found in the shuttle, cone drills, etc.  I'm sure the 40 and bench factors in to some extent, but they aren't the important numbers to me.

[BmoreBird22]

7 minutes ago, allblackraven said:

Most teams are good with that though, it's the media and fans who go crazy over fast 40 dash and bench reps. Combine numbers cannot be completely disregarded but if there's a mismatch, I'd always trust the tape first.

Teddy Bridgewater, Aaron Rodgers....

[GrimCoconut]

21 minutes ago, ngatainmyhouse said:

Yea Byron Jones was projected 1st rounder the whole offseason....

 

Jones played really well for Dallas. 

[ngatainmyhouse]

1 hour ago, GrimCoconut said:

Jones played really well for Dallas. 

That has nothing to do with my point. I am saying he was drafted in the 1st round strictly because of his combine performance. Many didn't even have him ranked as a top 10 CB

[PurpleCity5]

This is obvious but Hargreaves combine really can sink of swim him. I'm looking for him to at least be 5'11, if he can run in that low 4.4 then that can get him right back into the top 10. He is a top 10 prospect in my opinion but some GMs could have a different opinion on him. If he gets to that 4.3 then he can really shoot up those boards. I think his athleticism has left questions unanswered.