Combine Numbers that would make you change draft value?

[BmoreBird22]

I wouldn't take ogbah over him. I don't like his Game, he's incredibly unpolished ans stiff as a board. He's a pure power player but stands straight up and can't lower his pad level to save his life. I have more concerns with ogbah than I have with any other first round edge defender.

Sorry, not Ogbah, Lawson, from Clemson. I know people aren't a huge fan of his, but I really do love Lawson's game, just only if he's in a 4-3.

Speaking of Clemson, though, any chance Kevin Dodd could play OLB?

[Dewy101]

Give me the 2 fastest receivers at the combine because it obviously works for the Steelers

[JoeyFlex5]

Sorry, not Ogbah, Lawson, from Clemson. I know people aren't a huge fan of his, but I really do love Lawson's game, just only if he's in a 4-3.

Speaking of Clemson, though, any chance Kevin Dodd could play OLB?

I love what little I've seen of dodd but I need to look into him more. I have Floyd ahead of Lawson but only a little bit, and simply because Floyd looks like a polished pass rusher and linebacker in general and brings what we desperately need

[BmoreBird22]

I love what little I've seen of dodd but I need to look into him more. I have Floyd ahead of Lawson but only a little bit, and simply because Floyd looks like a polished pass rusher and linebacker in general and brings what we desperately need

I wouldn't take Lawson over Floyd for the Ravens, but he's probably by second favorite pass rusher behind Bosa, both of whom I think function best in a 4-3.

Dodd wasn't someone I paid a lot of attention to simply because I wanted to see Alexander, Lawson, and Watson, but I couldn't keep my eyes off of him during the National Title game. He was every bit as disruptive during the playoffs as a Bosa or Lawson could be.

Haven't seen anything of him, really, outside of that game, but my word, he could be a beast

[JoeyFlex5]

I wouldn't take Lawson over Floyd for the Ravens, but he's probably by second favorite pass rusher behind Bosa, both of whom I think function best in a 4-3.

Dodd wasn't someone I paid a lot of attention to simply because I wanted to see Alexander, Lawson, and Watson, but I couldn't keep my eyes off of him during the National Title game. He was every bit as disruptive during the playoffs as a Bosa or Lawson could be.

Haven't seen anything of him, really, outside of that game, but my word, he could be a beast

completely agree on all 3 points

[BmoreBird22]

completely agree on all 3 points

Back to Ogbah, what happened to him? I don't usually watch teams that aren't from the ACC, Georgia, or Oregon, so I never bothered watching him in season, but he was so hyped up. Now I feel like he's fallen off a map, although, I have seen his name a fair amount recently. 

[JoeyFlex5]

Back to Ogbah, what happened to him? I don't usually watch teams that aren't from the ACC, Georgia, or Oregon, so I never bothered watching him in season, but he was so hyped up. Now I feel like he's fallen off a map, although, I have seen his name a fair amount recently.

people just began watching with a more analytical eye. The more you see a flawed prospect the more his flaws stick out.

[BmoreBird22]

people just began watching with a more analytical eye. The more you see a flawed prospect the more his flaws stick out.

But what are those issues? Again, I'm still seeing him talked about, but not with a whole lot of analysis.

[ravensnick]

Treadwell's 40 is going to a big difference between going top 20 and top 5.

[ALPHA]

I expanded on my post, but the NFL views it that way as well. Most teams have an average weight of 258 and some are even pushing 280 as their average. 

 

Thats the ideal, but the problem is some of the best pass rushers weigh in under that even in the 240's it's not the rule or exception. Von Miller was 246 at the combine, Khalil Mack 251, Vic Beasley etc

[BmoreBird22]

Thats the ideal, but the problem is some of the best pass rushers weigh in under that even in the 240's it's not the rule or exception. Von Miller was 246 at the combine, Khalil Mack 251, Vic Beasley etc

Miller and Mack played in the 4-3 and Mack apparently bulked up to around 270 before the beginning of the season as a part of the switch to the 3-4.

Vic Beasley played 4-3 DE and failed to shed blocks consistently and often was found struggling to convert speed to power at the point of attack, although that MAY (I really emphasize that it is a possibility, not the sole reason) have to do with the torn labrum he played through all year.

[ALPHA]

Miller and Mack played in the 4-3 and Mack apparently bulked up to around 270 before the beginning of the season as a part of the switch to the 3-4.

Vic Beasley played 4-3 DE and failed to shed blocks consistently and often was found struggling to convert speed to power at the point of attack, although that MAY (I really emphasize that it is a possibility, not the sole reason) have to do with the torn labrum he played through all year.

 

If you consider 6'3" and 251 too small for a edge rusher (like some scouts and GMs) then you put yourself in danger of looking past players like Mack, he's a baller. Also as you mentioned some players can bulk up and retain their quickness so there are always exceptions to the rule.

[ravensnick]

If you consider 6'3" and 251 too small for a edge rusher (like some scouts and GMs) then you put yourself in danger of looking past players like Mack, he's a baller. Also as you mentioned some players can bulk up and retain their quickness so there are always exceptions to the rule.

Mack played 4-3 OLB last year and then put on weight. He also was an insane athlete. Miller has mostly played a hybrid role in a 4-3 as well. It's hard to make a read since they did not play in 3-4.

Edited January 18, 2016 by ravensnick

[BmoreBird22]

If you consider 6'3" and 251 too small for a edge rusher (like some scouts and GMs) then you put yourself in danger of looking past players like Mack, he's a baller. Also as you mentioned some players can bulk up and retain their quickness so there are always exceptions to the rule.

I won't look past them, but their best fit won't be the 3-4

[GrimCoconut]

Honestly, I know this is numbers but if Noah Spence checks out with interviews I'd consider trading back to get him depending on who is there at #6 & if we can trade back from #6. The only concern I really have with him is his interviews & those character concerns. He certainly has the talent to be a very good OLB & possibly a Pro Bowl player and we need that. 

[Clmraven]

Honestly, I know this is numbers but if Noah Spence checks out with interviews I'd consider trading back to get him depending on who is there at #6 & if we can trade back from #6. The only concern I really have with him is his interviews & those character concerns. He certainly has the talent to be a very good OLB & possibly a Pro Bowl player and we need that.

I like him a lot, i really think he could be there in the second though. Unless he puts up great combine numbers.

[PurpleCity5]

Honestly, I know this is numbers but if Noah Spence checks out with interviews I'd consider trading back to get him depending on who is there at #6 & if we can trade back from #6. The only concern I really have with him is his interviews & those character concerns. He certainly has the talent to be a very good OLB & possibly a Pro Bowl player and we need that. 

 

I like him a lot, i really think he could be there in the second though. Unless he puts up great combine numbers.

I really like Spence on-field ability but I don't know if we can make that gamble right now. I'd heavily consider taking him in the 2nd round but I am afraid of overvaluing him a bit. If he could fall I'd rather let that happen and take a possibly elite prospect at 6. 

[JoeyFlex5]

But what are those issues? Again, I'm still seeing him talked about, but not with a whole lot of analysis.

extremely stiff and upright. A pure power player who can't get low is a problem I wouldn't take lightly. He wins most of his rushes by hooking that inside arm under the tackles arm pit and using that for leverage to bend the corner with raw power, but he can't make a career off of that in the NFL and idk if he can effectively refine himself simply because of how stiff he is

[BmoreBird22]

extremely stiff and upright. A pure power player who can't get low is a problem I wouldn't take lightly. He wins most of his rushes by hooking that inside arm under the tackles arm pit and using that for leverage to bend the corner with raw power, but he can't make a career off of that in the NFL and idk if he can effectively refine himself simply because of how stiff he is

A lack of bend and stiffness is what would run it for me when considering an OLB. I don't like Carl Nassib, unlike many people on here, because I think he's too tall and doesn't have the natural bend to win with leverage in the NFL. I would definitely agree that I wouldn't take that lightly.

[Boddiebroadus]

So if Floyd adds 15lbs and runs his 40 in the high 4.5s low 4.6s, do we take him at 6th overall?

Also what's everyone's opinion of the best pure pass rusher in this draft?

[RavensFanMania]

solution Noah Spence Suggs like build 6"3 261

I have to admit I haven't seen much of Spence's tape yet, but what I have seen has shown that he could be a very good 3-4 Edge rusher. 

[usmccharles]

Can't remember where I heard this, but after we drafted Suggs a reporter asked billick if he's worried about Suggs 40 time. His response was something like... I don't care about the 40, I care about the 10.

I can definitely understand that. Explosiveness is what counts in a pass rusher

[JoeyFlex5]

A lack of bend and stiffness is what would run it for me when considering an OLB. I don't like Carl Nassib, unlike many people on here, because I think he's too tall and doesn't have the natural bend to win with leverage in the NFL. I would definitely agree that I wouldn't take that lightly.

i dont like nassib either and i was on the ogbah hype train earlier because he just looked so big and mean and dominant on film but the more you watch the more you tend to see that he is dominating the college level and simply wont win the same way in the nfl

[JoeyFlex5]

So if Floyd adds 15lbs and runs his 40 in the high 4.5s low 4.6s, do we take him at 6th overall?

Also what's everyone's opinion of the best pure pass rusher in this draft?

the best pure pass rusher i think is a tough concept, if were talking 4-3 i gotta go bosa, but for 3-4 it gets a little convoluted, since 3-4 isnt supposed to really feature a pure pass rusher, but ill entertain the idea... 

 

id say its a toss up between spence, ngakoue, and carl lawson. the best SPEED rusher is leonard floyd, that dude brings some stupid explosiveness and great athleticism and also brings the technique, but the concerns over him getting mopped everytime he gets in close quarters with a lineman are very real, you cant win every snap by beating the tackle to the corner, i still like what he brings to this team though, he adds something special that we desperately lack and we have enough beef to make up for his lack of it lol

[GrimCoconut]

Carl Nassib is a very talented player. People talk about Bosa but Bosa does not bend well, either. I love Bosa and he is violent at the point of attack, has strong hands & converts his power into explosion off the line of scrimmage to disrupt the OL, but he just doesn't bend well. If you think Nassib isn't good for us then Bosa isn't good for us. I'm not comparing Nassib to Bosa just because I like him, but Bosa isn't good at bending around the edge. This could be a problem as a stand-up linebacker in our 3-4. Would I avoid him because of this? Absolutely not. I'd still take him because he shows a natural ability to disrupt the passer. 

 

Nassib is much the same but is just not as good as Bosa at this. That's no knock on him. He's an ideal fit for the Panthers or another 4-3 team, such as the Seahawks or Bengals, because he (Nassib) is really good at rushing the passer but doesn't bend well & doesn't have the athleticism to really cover. I made a thread about him here, and while I still like him a lot for this team, I do worry about his height. Still, I'd take him in the 2nd round & wouldn't think twice about it. He's a very good pass rusher & people are overlooking him for unfair reasons. He still needs development, but that's why we have NFL coaches. He may be a perfect fit with Cullen here to coach him up.

Edited January 18, 2016 by GrimCoconut

[Boddiebroadus]

the best pure pass rusher i think is a tough concept, if were talking 4-3 i gotta go bosa, but for 3-4 it gets a little convoluted, since 3-4 isnt supposed to really feature a pure pass rusher, but ill entertain the idea...

id say its a toss up between spence, ngakoue, and carl lawson. the best SPEED rusher is leonard floyd, that dude brings some stupid explosiveness and great athleticism and also brings the technique, but the concerns over him getting mopped everytime he gets in close quarters with a lineman are very real, you cant win every snap by beating the tackle to the corner, i still like what he brings to this team though, he adds something special that we desperately lack and we have enough beef to make up for his lack of it lol

K but none of them will go top ten. So if Floyd did gain the extra weight and put up good combine numbers, would picking him at 6 be justified? Or does he just fit a niche

[JoeyFlex5]

K but none of them will go top ten. So if Floyd did gain the extra weight and put up good combine numbers, would picking him at 6 be justified? Or does he just fit a niche

not a niche player but not safe enough for top 10 I don't think. He is an intriguing prospect but he will certainly gave limitations and will require lots of extra scheming to use to his full potential

[terrynjulia03]

Hey, what were Bradys combine numbers? How about say a guy like Antonio Brown? Oh wait Johnny Manziel amazed at the combine. So did Perriman. Yeah, the combine is a joke. Watch game film. See football speed and work ethic. Not what a guy can do in short and a tshirt.

[GrimCoconut]

Hey, what were Bradys combine numbers? How about say a guy like Antonio Brown? Oh wait Johnny Manziel amazed at the combine. So did Perriman. Yeah, the combine is a joke. Watch game film. See football speed and work ethic. Not what a guy can do in short and a tshirt.

Odell Beckham Jr amazed people at his combine, posting a killer 40 and showing great receiving skills in drills. I have to say your comment is pretty ignorant. If it meant nothing then the NFL wouldn't shell out the money to pay for it. It most certainly means something. Edited January 18, 2016 by GrimCoconut

[52520Andrew]

Hey, what were Bradys combine numbers? How about say a guy like Antonio Brown? Oh wait Johnny Manziel amazed at the combine. So did Perriman. Yeah, the combine is a joke. Watch game film. See football speed and work ethic. Not what a guy can do in short and a tshirt.

Didn't know Perriman amazed at the combine, he was invisible out there to me.