Combine Numbers that would make you change draft value?

[Dubs]

Ok I have a love/hate for the combine as I wonder what it measures but at the same time certain measurements do mean a lot for certain players. (ala the height of a QB when somewhat short like Rodgers when he came out)

 

Given some of the guys we could be targeting early or later on what combine numbers would make you re think if you would want them or not. or numbers that make them drop

 

 

At pick #6:

 

Laquon Treadwell 

Would question taking him if: 40 time is worse than 4.5

Would be thrilled to take him if: 40 time is better than 4.43...hands 10"+

 

Vernon Haergraves

Would question taking him if: If he measures in smaller than 5'10, 190lbs

Would be ok to take him if: If he measures in above or around 5'10, 195lbs...gets 15 bench reps...short shuttle in or near 4.00 seconds

 

Joey Bosa

May drop to us if: 40 time is 4.75 or worse

Could care less what his numbers are, would take him if he is there...

Really hoping for a Suggs-like athletic display so we get him

 

Ronnie Stanley

Would question taking him if: Under 23 bench reps

More interested if arm length is 35"+

 

Jalen Ramsey

Would question if: 40 time worse than 4.5 or short shuttle worse than 4.25

Interested in watching him in drills for flipping hips & change of direction

 

 

Later guys

 

Will Fuller

Question if weighing under 185lbs

 

Tyler Boyd

Question if 40 worse than 4.6 and short shuttle above 4.25ish

 

Jayron Kearse

Short Shuttle better than 4.3 would excite me

 

 

 

These ones quickly came to mind--Interested in guys and their numbers that you will be watching during the combine and what numbers make you change your draft value or perspective of a player

 

 

 

 

 

[BmoreBird22]

I'd be more worried if Ronnie Stanley doesn't do well on the broad jump because he just does not appear to have a strong lower body and that would just show his lack of explosion.

I have no doubts Ramsey will test well in the shuttle/40. He's a track star

[ALPHA]

I don't put any stock into combine numbers

[rmw10]

I don't put any stock into combine numbers

 

I'm not one that takes combine numbers as gospel, but there are some very important numbers that come out of there.  I think it's crazy to not put any stock into those numbers.

[RavensFanMania]

I don't put any stock into combine numbers

This isn't totally correct, but I hear what you are saying and I generally agree.

[JoeyFlex5]

If Corey Coleman posts better than a 4.4 flat, meaning In The 4.3s, then I'll consider him a first rounder.

If Ramsey posts some absurd 40 time I'll feel a little better about him considering freak athleticism will help him succeed at his risky playstyle.

If Leonard Floyd weighs in at 240 plus and still looks like the most fluid avid explosive athlete in the front seven then I'll consider him a top 10 and possible target for us, I could see Steve really falling in love with his skill set

Edited January 17, 2016 by JoeyFlex5

[BmoreBird22]

If Leonard Floyd weighs in at 240 plus and still looks like the most fluid avid explosive athlete in the front seven then I'll consider him a top 10 and possible target for us, I could see Steve really falling in love with his skill set

When you consider Elvis Dumervil is about 265 pounds and still getting washed out of running plays, 240 is still too light for me.

 

In 2013, every single team in the NFL that ran the 3-4 had an average weight at OLB that was at least 250, with the exception being the Steelers at 248. Seven of those teams had weights averaging at least 260 (with three teams begin 258 or 259). 

Basically, he's way too light.

Edited January 17, 2016 by BmoreBird22

[rmw10]

When you consider Elvis Dumervil is about 265 pounds and still getting washed out of running plays, 240 is still too light for me.

 

Unless we're talking about a purely situational player, I'm looking for my OLBs to be a minimum of 255.

[PurpleCity5]

Going through this list, I have to go with Tyler Boyd. His combine could make or break him, I do value film more than the combine but there are concerns about his speed, a poor combine would make him a 2nd IMO. 

 

Another guy that I would say thats not on this list is Michael Thomas. His ability as a vertical threat is heavily questioned, I think he's a 2nd round guy but a poor 40 could solidify that. 

[BmoreBird22]

Unless we're talking about a purely situational player, I'm looking for my OLBs to be a minimum of 255.

I expanded on my post, but the NFL views it that way as well. Most teams have an average weight of 258 and some are even pushing 280 as their average. 

[BmoreBird22]

Going through this list, I have to go with Tyler Boyd. His combine could make or break him, I do value film more than the combine but there are concerns about his speed, a poor combine would make him a 2nd IMO. 

 

Another guy that I would say thats not on this list is Michael Thomas. His ability as a vertical threat is heavily questioned, I think he's a 2nd round guy but a poor 40 could solidify that. 

I would love for both to drop to the second because both to me are the best route runners in the draft class and that's going to be vastly more important than speed.

[PurpleCity5]

When you consider Elvis Dumervil is about 265 pounds and still getting washed out of running plays, 240 is still too light for me.

 

In 2013, every single team in the NFL that ran the 3-4 had an average weight at OLB that was at least 250, with the exception being the Steelers at 248. Seven of those teams had weights averaging at least 260 (with three teams begin 258 or 259). 

Basically, he's way too light.

We could use a speed rusher honestly. He could be very versatile, for me its more about his ability to get off his blocks rather than his size, Vic Beasley is a good 246 and does that very well. I wouldn't have a problem with taking him in the 2nd but top 10 is just not worth it. 

[PurpleCity5]

I would love for both to drop to the second because both to me are the best route runners in the draft class and that's going to be vastly more important than speed.

I really like both of them, I do favor Tyler Boyd more simply because of his play-making ability. I really think Boyd is pro-ready and I value his ability as a slot WR, which we could really use here. I would def. say he's in play in the 2nd round. I would find it incredibly hard to pass on him IMO. 

Edited January 17, 2016 by PurpleCity5

[thieverycorporation]

I don't put any stock into combine numbers

Numbers count in everything that pertains to life as we Know it !

[BmoreBird22]

We could use a speed rusher honestly. He could be very versatile, for me its more about his ability to get off his blocks rather than his size, Vic Beasley is a good 246 and does that very well. I wouldn't have a problem with taking him in the 2nd but top 10 is just not worth it. 

I haven't seen him consistently win when a lineman gets his hands inside his pads and I think it goes back to him being vastly undersized. I do do not like Leonard Floyd, at all.

I haven't watched too much of Atlanta this year because they often played at the same time as the Ravens, but everything I've read has said he struggled once he was engaged and locked into the lineman and that he wasn't strong enough at the point of attack. Although, some of that may go back to his torn labrum. 

[BmoreBird22]

I really like both of them, I do favor Tyler Boyd more simply because of his play-making ability. I really think Boyd is pro-ready and I value his ability as a slot WR, which we could really use here. I would def. say he's in play in the 2nd round. I would find it incredibly hard to pass on him IMO. 

If Boyd is there in the second, I take him. There'd have to be a major faller, like a Su'a Cravens or Jaylon Smith, before I'd even consider passing on him, and even then, it's consideration.

One thing I will say that I love about Thomas is that he has about the dirtiest stop and go I have ever seen for a college wide receiver. That's gonna be a real pain to defend.

[Boddiebroadus]

If Leonard Floyd weighs in at 240 plus and still looks like the most fluid avid explosive athlete in the front seven then I'll consider him a top 10 and possible target for us, I could see Steve really falling in love with his skill set

I have to agree. The more I watch his tape the more I think he'd be great here. He has a lot of strength for being so light as he is now. I could only imagine what 20 lbs of muscle would do for him.

[RavensFanMania]

If Leonard Floyd weighs in at 240 plus and still looks like the most fluid avid explosive athlete in the front seven then I'll consider him a top 10 and possible target for us, I could see Steve really falling in love with his skill set

I have to agree. The more I watch his tape the more I think he'd be great here. He has a lot of strength for being so light as he is now. I could only imagine what 20 lbs of muscle would do for him.

I completely agree.  Floyd is just scratching the surface.  His strength along with his ability to bend the corner could make him an excellent fit here.  I've started to see more and more of his tape and think he would be a great fit here if that is the direction the team decides to go. 

 

I definitely agree with many posters here that he would have to gain more weight than 240. 

Edited January 18, 2016 by RavensFanMania

[PurpleCity5]

I haven't seen him consistently win when a lineman gets his hands inside his pads and I think it goes back to him being vastly undersized. I do do not like Leonard Floyd, at all.

I haven't watched too much of Atlanta this year because they often played at the same time as the Ravens, but everything I've read has said he struggled once he was engaged and locked into the lineman and that he wasn't strong enough at the point of attack. Although, some of that may go back to his torn labrum. 

I see those same concerns with Floyd as well and that's just what happens when speed rushers constantly rely on speed and explosiveness but I wouldn't be opposed to him in the 2nd, why? Simply because he represents almost everything we need in our linebackers right now. He has versatility as an OLB/ILB, I think he can rush from anywhere and would just give us some youth here. I think he's the anti-Courtney Upshaw. Guys like him, Vic Beasley and Von Miller can have trouble when Offensive linemen get their hands on them and that's what happens when you're a speed rusher, that's why I don't see him as a 3 down edge rusher as of now.

[JoeyFlex5]

When you consider Elvis Dumervil is about 265 pounds and still getting washed out of running plays, 240 is still too light for me.

In 2013, every single team in the NFL that ran the 3-4 had an average weight at OLB that was at least 250, with the exception being the Steelers at 248. Seven of those teams had weights averaging at least 260 (with three teams begin 258 or 259).

Basically, he's way too light.

I understand that completely, and while I don't like a top 10 pick being a situational guy, it's no secret that we desperately need some explosiveness, we could do much better but I wouldn't be mad.

And dumervil, well he is flat out horrible against the run and always has been, he doesn't diagnose well and can't move through traffic at all, he's a downhill player and while Floyd will have moments where he gets mopped, he still has great movement and a great feel for staying clean in traffic. He also brings an element of coverage, I don't think he's a horrible fit but I fully understand the concerns

Edited January 17, 2016 by JoeyFlex5

[PurpleCity5]

If Boyd is there in the second, I take him. There'd have to be a major faller, like a Su'a Cravens or Jaylon Smith, before I'd even consider passing on him, and even then, it's consideration.

One thing I will say that I love about Thomas is that he has about the dirtiest stop and go I have ever seen for a college wide receiver. That's gonna be a real pain to defend.

It would have to take a guy falling for me to pass on Boyd, I certainly believe that our attention will be turned to OLB and CB in the free agency, and that will leave us to take a WR in the 2nd, IMO if we're taking a receiver early, the 2nd round makes a lot of sense for me personally, plenty of talent to be had there with Boyd, Thomas and Coleman. 

[BmoreBird22]

I see those same concerns with Floyd as well and that's just what happens when speed rushers constantly rely on speed and explosiveness but I wouldn't be opposed to him in the 2nd, why? Simply because he represents almost everything we need in our linebackers right now. He has versatility as an OLB/ILB, I think he can rush from anywhere and would just give us some youth here. I think he's the anti-Courtney Upshaw. Guys like him, Vic Beasley and Von Miller can have trouble when Offensive linemen get their hands on them and that's what happens when you're a speed rusher, that's why I don't see him as a 3 down edge rusher as of now.

In the second round, I'd even pass on Boyd for Floyd because I think he can have that Jamie Collins type role, but he could also be the next Deon Jordan.

[Boddiebroadus]

In this film he's constantly getting pressure on the qb. He also uses his arms very well to keep lineman from getting into his chest. Plus all the different pass rush moves he uses is amazing. He's good in coverage also. I just really like this dude. He needs to gain some weight but not so much where it's impossible.

[Wildabeast88]

Unless we're talking about a purely situational player, I'm looking for my OLBs to be a minimum of 255.

 

Unless we're talking about a purely situational player, I'm looking for my OLBs to be a minimum of 255.

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[PurpleCity5]

In the second round, I'd even pass on Boyd for Floyd because I think he can have that Jamie Collins type role, but he could also be the next Deon Jordan.

We could really use a guy like Jamie Collins here. I personally feel that Floyd has the qualities were desperately need on defense. I don't know if I can pass on Boyd for him though. 

[PurpleSnowman]

There is no way floyd makes it to the 2nd round. He is one of the top, if not the top, pure pass rushers in the draft. For him to fall to the 2nd he would have to run a 4.7 or lower. 

[BmoreBird22]

There is no way floyd makes it to the 2nd round. He is one of the top, if not the top, pure pass rushers in the draft. For him to fall to the 2nd he would have to run a 4.7 or lower. 

I would take Bosa and Ogbah over him as pass rusher, easily.

[rmw10]

Floyd reminds me a lot of Barkeviovs Mingo.  He's going to have times where he's going to jump off the tape and look like a top guy, but others where you question how it translates to the NFL.  Like Mingo, I think Floyd is going to fir best on a team with an odd front.  Mingo has been an alright player in Cleveland, but I think he'd be much better playing in a 4-3 set.  He's struggled taking on and shedding blocks, and I think Floyd has the same fate at his current weight.

[BmoreBird22]

Floyd reminds me a lot of Barkeviovs Mingo.  He's going to have times where he's going to jump off the tape and look like a top guy, but others where you question how it translates to the NFL.  Like Mingo, I think Floyd is going to fir best on a team with an odd front.  Mingo has been an alright player in Cleveland, but I think he'd be much better playing in a 4-3 set.  He's struggled taking on and shedding blocks, and I think Floyd has the same fate at his current weight.

Much like Vic Beasley, I view him as being best at 4-3 OLB. I know Beasley is playing DE, but I thought he'd play the Von Miller role. Probably wouldn't mind using him that way if the Falcons had any semblance of quality defensive ends.

[JoeyFlex5]

I would take Bosa and Ogbah over him as pass rusher, easily.

I wouldn't take ogbah over him. I don't like his Game, he's incredibly unpolished ans stiff as a board. He's a pure power player but stands straight up and can't lower his pad level to save his life. I have more concerns with ogbah than I have with any other first round edge defender.