Leslie Frazier Hired as Defensive Assistant

[January J]

Setting up a scheme change to the 4-3? First they brought in Joe Cullen from Tampa who ran a 4-3, now Frazier who is known for a 4-3 defense is our defensive assistant. This is interesting, I love the 3-4 we have but a scheme switch might do us well. This is a good hire, not just because he can be the in house replacement if Pees is fired in the middle of the season, but also because he's a great defensive mind and would be able to help with the scheme switch.

that's a really good point about the in-house replacment..I didn't think of that. Pees will be on thin ice and this will keep him on his toes.

[rmcjacket23]

Why does everything need to tie into not trusting/liking Pees? If the FO thought Pees was not the right guy he wouldn't remain on the staff. smh

Great hire. Ravens are stacking the coaching staff with highly intelligent guys.

Because fans love conspiracy theories...it makes the board talks more interesting.

Obviously none of it is true because it never is, but some find the conspiracy talk more entertaining than real life I guess.

[Tank 92]

Because fans love conspiracy theories...it makes the board talks more interesting.

Obviously none of it is true because it never is, but some find the conspiracy talk more entertaining than real life I guess.

 

Right. It was more a rhetorical question. 

[GrimCoconut]

Yeah I really think this is a great move. I hope it turns out as well as it looks on paper. We could really use a coach like Frazier to get guys' technique down. The players and Pees shouldn't have many excuses after these additions.

I'm also pleased Frazier joined us over Hue. I read a report yesterday Hue was looking at adding Frazier or someone else as his DC. Speaks well that he came here

[rafahash]

I'm very excited and curious to see what Frazier can do with Brooks. Hopefully we'll see some improvement.

[RavensFanMania]

Hewitt will be staying as an assistant.

Seems like the team realizes that Pees can be trusted alone. Glad we're getting some help. Frazier had a pretty bad defense in Tampa though.

Brooks has reportedly become the senior defensive assistant. The current DL coach is Cullen.

As long as we actually scheme to our players skill sets I like the moves; hope Jimmy can stop press but with Pees and Frazier here it looks like we're committing to off man coverage, something also tells me the front office likes Hargreaves.

It's too soon to tell if the front office prefers Hargreaves, but that certainly wouldn't be a bad draft pick either. 

Edited January 16, 2016 by RavensFanMania

[CalvinSmoke]

Yeah I really think this is a great move. I hope it turns out as well as it looks on paper. We could really use a coach like Frazier to get guys' technique down. The players and Pees shouldn't have many excuses after these additions.

I'm also pleased Frazier joined us over Hue. I read a report yesterday Hue was looking at adding Frazier or someone else as his DC. Speaks well that he came here

because Frazier knows they will all be fired next year... It's the Browns man

[Tank 92]

Maybe we go after Joey Porter next?   

[rafahash]

Maybe we go after Joey Porter next?   

 

Don Martindale will coach our LBs along with Chris Hewitt.

[RavensFanMania]

What happened to our DL coach Brooks?

He's senior Defensive Assistant now as he is battling esophageal cancer. 

[Tank 92]

Don Martindale will coach our LBs along with Chris Hewitt.

 

 

right.  I was only serious.   lol

[RavensFanMania]

Don Martindale will coach our LBs along with Chris Hewitt.

According to BR, it still lists Martindale as our ILB coach and it now lists Matt Weiss as our linebackers coach.

[rafahash]

According to BR, it still lists Martindale as our ILB coach and it now lists Matt Weiss as our linebackers coach.

 

My mistake. You're absolutely correct. Chris Hewitt will assist Leslie Frazier.

Edited January 16, 2016 by rafahash

[RavensFanMania]

My mistake. You're absolutely correct. Chris Hewitt will assist Leslie Frazier.

Thanks, I wasn't even sure if I was correct.  I was only going by the website.   Wasn't sure if Weiss will be an assistant to someone, but it doesn't look like it.  Weiss did assist Monachino before moving to CB in 2015.  At least I think he was part of the secondary coaching staff in 2015. 

[BSHU_Miami]

Week 8 pees is canned Leslie takes over . And pees does better when he's on his toes, win all around. If he fails he's canned if he doesn't well they look like geniuses

[nyc9192]

Why does everything need to tie into not trusting/liking Pees? If the FO thought Pees was not the right guy he wouldn't remain on the staff. smh

Great hire. Ravens are stacking the coaching staff with highly intelligent guys.

Because in a way it is.The FO may like him for now but this move definitely lets Pees know he needs to step up his coaching scheme and get better results.The same thing when Caldwell was signed in 2012.The FO said they were content with Cam but we all new Caldwell was gonna be the OC in case Cam did the same tired scheme and was fired.He did,was replaced with Caldwell and we won the Superbowl.

[jazz1988]

Week 8 pees is canned Leslie takes over . And pees does better when he's on his toes, win all around. If he fails he's canned if he doesn't well they look like geniuses

 

I honestly don't think Leslie would be considered a good candidate to replace Pees if things don't go will next season with him at defensive coordinator. If anything guys that have been on The Ravens defensive staff longer would probably get a shot like Martindale or Brooks.

 

 

Asking a guy like Leslie to take over the defense than have The Ravens defense make a transition to a 4-3 defense during the regular season wouldn't be  easy.

Edited January 17, 2016 by jazz1988

[rmcjacket23]

I honestly don't think Leslie would be considered a good candidate to replace Pees if things go will next season with him at defensive coordinator. If anything guys that have been on The Ravens defensive staff longer would probably get a shot like Martindale or Brooks.

 

 

Asking a guy like Leslie to take over the defense than have The Ravens defense make a transition to a 4-3 defense during the regular season wouldn't be  easy.

Not saying he'd be the first guy chosen, but scheme is largely irrelevant with good coaches, particularly when you're spending over half the game in Nickel defense anyway.

See no reason to think Pees would be fired mid season anyway. Just because Cam was doesn't mean its some sort of trend.

[edthehead]

Why does everything need to tie into not trusting/liking Pees? If the FO thought Pees was not the right guy he wouldn't remain on the staff. smh

Great hire. Ravens are stacking the coaching staff with highly intelligent guys.

but you never push somebody out the door unless you know who is in the house,

people are in place in the event pees can not maintain

I am sure he knows he is on a very short leash, or he may accept a job offer someplace else.

[rmcjacket23]

but you never push somebody out the door unless you know who is in the house,

people are in place in the event pees can not maintain

I am sure he knows he is on a very short leash, or he may accept a job offer someplace else.

Not buying it...I've never seen a team compile assistant coaches in the off chance they fire a coordinator.

What I find amusing is that people thought we hired Caldwell as a "warning" to Cam, yet fans forget that Caldwell had ZERO experience as a play caller or as an OC. So if fans think he was the backup plan all alomg, that's a pretty horrible backup plan.

[rmcjacket23]

Because in a way it is.The FO may like him for now but this move definitely lets Pees know he needs to step up his coaching scheme and get better results.The same thing when Caldwell was signed in 2012.The FO said they were content with Cam but we all new Caldwell was gonna be the OC in case Cam did the same tired scheme and was fired.He did,was replaced with Caldwell and we won the Superbowl.

Sort of a myth though...

1. Caldwell was brought in as QB coach with as much experience as an OC and playcaller as I have. And it showed in 2013...

2. There weren't too many fans thinking Cam was going to get fired mid-season on a 12-4 football team. It was a pretty big surprise to basically everybody at the time. Certainly wasn't the foregone conclusion fans now pretend like it was.

[Ravenseconbeast]

My mistake. You're absolutely correct. Chris Hewitt will assist Leslie Frazier.

Chris Hewitt needs to be canned. Do not want that guy near our draft picks or any of our FA

[edthehead]

Not buying it...I've never seen a team compile assistant coaches in the off chance they fire a coordinator.

What I find amusing is that people thought we hired Caldwell as a "warning" to Cam, yet fans forget that Caldwell had ZERO experience as a play caller or as an OC. So if fans think he was the backup plan all alomg, that's a pretty horrible backup plan.

in your opinion , why the influx of assistant coaches?

and cadwell was/is a good QB coach, that Superbowl run was because he no pattern, he just called plays

the following year he was exposed. 

[Moderator 3]

in your opinion , why the influx of assistant coaches?

and cadwell was/is a good QB coach, that Superbowl run was because he no pattern, he just called plays

the following year he was exposed.

The influx of 2? One is to help out a coach who is struggling with cancer, the other fills a vacancy.

[Florida Ravens Fan]

Read some where can't remember link in the event pees gets fired it will be Brooks that takes over on D. 

[rmcjacket23]

in your opinion , why the influx of assistant coaches?

and cadwell was/is a good QB coach, that Superbowl run was because he no pattern, he just called plays

the following year he was exposed. 

We change assistant coaches every year. This year is no different. I don't see the influx you are talking about.

 

Is it considered an influx because we hired a "name" like Leslie Frazier? If we hired somebody nobody had ever heard of, would it still be considered an "influx"?

 

I just don't get it. To me, these boards have always been hypocritical when it comes to assistant coaches anyway. I view them as far, far, far less important to a team than some of you do, and it seems that we literally only put a ton of weight into our assistant coaches when the team is struggling. I didn't hear a whole lot from 2008-2012 about assistant coaches (not coordinators), and not a whole lot last season either.

 

2013... it was everything was Juan Castillo's fault, and then we quickly realized that was completely absurd. Now, evidently the solution is to fire all the defensive coaches and get new one's.

 

Me, I take more of a practical approach. I put emphasis on actual players, as in the guys who are actually playing football. 

 

In my lifetime, I've never seen a DC or an assistant coach draw up a scheme that says "hey guys, today, we are going to give up 400 yards passing". Not once have I seen that. I've seen some really good schemes, play calls, etc. look really bad due to extremely poor execution, which represents about 90% of the problem in my eyes.

[rmcjacket23]

Read some where can't remember link in the event pees gets fired it will be Brooks that takes over on D. 

Obviously just speculation though, since no HC or franchise is going to acknowledge something like that.

[edthehead]

We change assistant coaches every year. This year is no different. I don't see the influx you are talking about.

 

Is it considered an influx because we hired a "name" like Leslie Frazier? If we hired somebody nobody had ever heard of, would it still be considered an "influx"?

 

I just don't get it. To me, these boards have always been hypocritical when it comes to assistant coaches anyway. I view them as far, far, far less important to a team than some of you do, and it seems that we literally only put a ton of weight into our assistant coaches when the team is struggling. I didn't hear a whole lot from 2008-2012 about assistant coaches (not coordinators), and not a whole lot last season either.

 

2013... it was everything was Juan Castillo's fault, and then we quickly realized that was completely absurd. Now, evidently the solution is to fire all the defensive coaches and get new one's.

 

Me, I take more of a practical approach. I put emphasis on actual players, as in the guys who are actually playing football. 

 

In my lifetime, I've never seen a DC or an assistant coach draw up a scheme that says "hey guys, today, we are going to give up 400 yards passing". Not once have I seen that. I've seen some really good schemes, play calls, etc. look really bad due to extremely poor execution, which represents about 90% of the problem in my eyes.

hey , I am not being negative, I just wanted to hear your views. 

thanks

[jazz1988]

Chris Hewitt needs to be canned. Do not want that guy near our draft picks or any of our FA

 

 

And why is that? He didn't do a bad job at all when he was The Rutgers secondary coach because their passing defense was ranked second overall in defense. The secondary had it's issues last year but  i don't think ti was all his fault either.

[nyc9192]

Sort of a myth though...

1. Caldwell was brought in as QB coach with as much experience as an OC and playcaller as I have. And it showed in 2013...

2. There weren't too many fans thinking Cam was going to get fired mid-season on a 12-4 football team. It was a pretty big surprise to basically everybody at the time. Certainly wasn't the foregone conclusion fans now pretend like it was.

On point 1 your right on the money,except it was 2012.With the second post,I gotta disagree with.The entire fanbase was callin for cam to get fired as well as many in the media realising his ceiling and understanding that with his conservative playing style and vanilla/predictable playing style,the ravens would only go so far.i do agree that it was a suprise that he got fired but more so when he got fired rather than the fact he got fired.It was after the redskins game and we were in a battle for the north with a few games left.

Edited January 17, 2016 by nyc9192