[News] Late For Work 1/15: Joe Flacco, Ron Jaworski Team Up On Golf Course Purchase

[steelcityraven]

The Sqeelers will never win another SB as long as Ben is the QB... it is that ego that makes him want to be that guy who grabs the headline... that's why he is the drama queen that he is. Big Jen can win games for them but not the close ones... not when it counts - his ego has gotten too big and will be the obstacle the sqeelers cannot overcome~!

[NCMan]

BIO.... I don't disagree with you and I know that in today's NFL you need a franchise QB. I believe that is accurate with 27 or 28 teams in todays NFL. I also believe that the Ravens are the exception to that rule. We won our first SB with Trent Dilfer at QB...and a woeful offense. I know that was a different coach and system but the scheme is not that much different. We are a run first team, who passes to alleviate pressure from the run game. The formula was the same when we won our second SB. We are never going to be that team who wins off of QB play alone (Pats, GB, NO, SD, Pitt, etc). We really don't need that franchise QB we need a very good game manager. That's what Joe actually is! While I am not ready to lose Joe... (bc I don't know what we would get in return). I am not ready to mortgage the future to have a game manager now! If joe was a tom brady, aaron rodger, drew brees I get it... they will win games on their own. Joe is not that person and 28 million for a game manager is a trade off that I say is worth looking into what we (could) get for him???? We may look and find that what we get in return is not worth losing Joe but we may not? IF he don't re-negotiate- I say we start shopping..... Ohhh and by the way... a few GMs have done it successfully (RGIII was benched and that turned out well, Drew Bledsoe was traded away and a guy named Tom Brady replaced him, The chargers traded Drew Brees and Phillip Rivers turned out to be pretty darn good) I know and I can say that each had a replacement waiting in the wings... (IDK just don't think Joe is a great value at 28million and if not maybe need to see who else is available at a slightly lesser price tag and evaluating our options???

You may want to read up on the difference between a cap number and a salary, since you (and a few others)seem to not know the difference between the two. Joe will not make a $28 million salary this year. You may want to read up on what dead money is, too, while you're at it.

Edited January 15, 2016 by NCMan

[ellicottraven]

I think any extension for Flacco should be in the 20M range per year counting his existing contract. I don't know if we can afford more and it has nothing to do with his worth. With Flacco's talent and production we all know that he needs good weapons on offense to be very successful. He needs protection (all QBs do) and he needs a good running game and most importantly he needs WRs that can get open quickly so he doesn't need to hold on to the ball too long.

He hasn't fared too well if plays are slower to develop. So, fast and speedy WR and a great possession WR to get open and catch intermediate and short passes to help Flacco. Other than that, we need a great and effective running game to help with play action. Now, the problem with fielding a strong team like this is 'money'!

We can field such a team, but can't do it paying Flacco close to 20% of the salary available for the entire team. Since Flacco has already had the honor of being the highest paid QB in the league (albeit for a short while), he's been respected by the Ravens. That is basically what he wanted and got.

Now, it's time he respected the Ravens winning tradition by making it easy for them to field a good team around him to make 'him' successful as a player. That is precisely why Brady did what he did. Time for Flacco to step up to the plate and be reasonable with his next contract despite what his hawk-agent Linta may want.

Edited January 15, 2016 by ellicottraven

[WNC-Raven]

Hence why he went to play for the Jets when the Texans thing didn't work out.  Reed is Rex's boy...  They have always had that kind of relationship.  That was definitely planned out... for sure.

Thank you. The things people write on this board sometimes boggles the mind. Of course Rex reached out to Reed or vice versa.

[thecommish]

NCMAN... lol i dont know about anyone else- but i know what the difference between a cap hit and salary is... I also know what dead money is... and that is what makes me think that steelcity has a valid point. We can offset some of Joes cap hit by re-structuring and giving him more money up front... that is what causes dead money.... when the player gets injured or cannot follow through on their end or even worse... they play below what they earned (signing bonus plus salary).... thats where we get into trouble. Joe is due to make 28 million and we are trying to offset that with re-structuring.... his cap hit will be around 20 million.... and that works well if he plays up to his ability but if he is not 100% or he gets re-injured or something else happens (ray rice) we still take the cap hit. What I am askingis " is Joe (for what we ask him to do- manage a game) worth 20% of our cap? that leaves 52 other guys to split the 80%??? If the answer is yes... then we better take the handcuffs off of him this year.... but do we think he is dynamic enough to make up for what we will lose out on with that extra money????? I think the people on this website get the difference between salary and cap space - i am not sure that everyone gets the difference between merit and entitlement.

[ALSKAN RAVEN FAN]

Maybe Flacco can host a charity golf tournament for his charity of choice every year.

[Ravens_Flock]

We have an OC who was never right for our system or players to begin with, and a DC who has managed to destroy the "strong defense" legacy in Baltimore for the past four seasons. Our secondary has been especially weak since Pees took over, although that is also down to the personell we've had since Reed and Pollard departed. It's just going to be the same old thing in 2016? NO coaching changes of any kind? Well then get ready for the same vanilla defense, and dysfunctional offense.

[HoldingCall]

NCMAN... lol i dont know about anyone else- but i know what the difference between a cap hit and salary is... I also know what dead money is... and that is what makes me think that steelcity has a valid point. We can offset some of Joes cap hit by re-structuring and giving him more money up front... that is what causes dead money.... when the player gets injured or cannot follow through on their end or even worse... they play below what they earned (signing bonus plus salary).... thats where we get into trouble. Joe is due to make 28 million and we are trying to offset that with re-structuring.... his cap hit will be around 20 million.... and that works well if he plays up to his ability but if he is not 100% or he gets re-injured or something else happens (ray rice) we still take the cap hit. What I am askingis " is Joe (for what we ask him to do- manage a game) worth 20% of our cap? that leaves 52 other guys to split the 80%??? If the answer is yes... then we better take the handcuffs off of him this year.... but do we think he is dynamic enough to make up for what we will lose out on with that extra money????? I think the people on this website get the difference between salary and cap space - i am not sure that everyone gets the difference between merit and entitlement.

No player, in my opinion is worth 20% of cap. NFL teams have created a monster by paying such a high percentage of cap to certain players. That's just me!

[Ravensfolyfe]

Focus on your health first,foot work,reading defenses and live your life to the fulliest.

[poescrows]

cracks me up how the media always jumps on Bens band wagon...."..Ben drove his team to a game winning field goal". Gimmie a break! Ben completed 2 short passes, the bulk of the yardage was from Cincy penalties.

[respecttheRaven]

There is no doubt that Big Ben is a tough QB. He does however seem to be injured quite a bit, but always seems to pull off those late game wins, as he's limping down the field. Lately though, this year he has been throwing a lot of ball's to the wrong (opposing) team. I don't think the Steelers will go any further in the playoffs, and I really don't care who else win's except the Patriots.....I do NOT want to see them go any farther either! I hope KC whoop's the Patsies behind!!

[Maryland]

I never really considered the struggles Reed may face as an assistant coach and how awkward it would be if we had to fire him. Although I wanted Reed for our vacant DB coaching position after Spags left, I see Luke Jones' point.

[The Mom Gene]

We have an OC who was never right for our system or players to begin with, and a DC who has managed to destroy the "strong defense" legacy in Baltimore for the past four seasons. Our secondary has been especially weak since Pees took over, although that is also down to the personell we've had since Reed and Pollard departed. It's just going to be the same old thing in 2016? NO coaching changes of any kind? Well then get ready for the same vanilla defense, and dysfunctional offense.

You do realize that our defense finished 2nd in the league the 2nd half of the season?  He has not "Destroyed our strong defense".  Lewis and Reed retire, Ellerbe goes to Miami, Ngata to Detroit, Kruger to Cleveland, Suggs gets hurt,  etc., etc., etc.,  Tell me, who has that kind of turnover in the last couple of years and doesn't expect some form of drop-off?  Just curious, when you're replacing 3/4 of your defense, and trying to win games, just my opinion, but don'tcha think your expectations are just a little high, don'tcha think?  Cuz' I do.

[Dfence4champs2052]

Luke had really good points about why Reed should start out elsewhere. I would have to agree with them. Hope Ed does well though.

[thegooddoc456]

Harbaugh would never hire Reed as a coach, just won't happen. There's a more genuine mutual respect between Rex Ryan and most of the past Ravens defensive greats.