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[JoeyFlex5]

When I say same level, I don't mean it's as bad as heroine or cocaine. I'm not trying to compare which is worse because I've done enough research on heroine for me to consider it the scariest drug of all.

What I meant is that they're going to have serious ramifications on your life longterm during extended usage. Trust me when I say I wouldn't mess with a single drug that relies solely on stimulating neural receptors. It's just dangerous.

I don't know much about Spence at EKU, but I do know any drug like ecstasy, cocaine, heroine, etc would give me a very long pause.

ok I gotcha lol. Not that it's super relevant anyway. But I'd take a guy who used ecstasy and went to rehab for it over a guy like Gregory or blackmon who admitted to not being functional without weed. Von Miller was known to indulge in a roll on occasion and there has been speculation on him messing around once since he came in the league, but he has not been a trouble maker by any means. I think that's the closest comparison. He just doesn't appear to be another Gordon or blackmon

[Sizzlebshu]

Could we put rhis drug discussion the cool kidz designer drug thread

as for jack, idk if his talents can be fully realized in a 34. Thats not to say he wouldnt be a good one, but its just hard for me see what kind of plays he can make from that position as opposed to a 43 where he would be responsible for a portion of the field or player every player.

[gabefergy]

It's not nearly impossible to get addicted to... there's no conclusive evidence that it's physically addictive, but it's very psychologically addictive in many people.

It doesn't drain your endorphins; it acts as a substrate for the primary release of seratonin, dopamine, and neuroepanepherins (I hope I spelled that right). If you want the biochemistry behind it, I think I remember enough from schooling to explain it to you, but it's not the same thing. It's also associated with higher levels of oxytocin in the blood stream.

Now, given that MDMA works primarily on neural receptors and with seratonin, which plays a vital role in sleep, happiness, and memory, so long term uses affect the cognitive learning (learning, memory), can mess up your sleep schedule, and can lead to depression when not on ecstasy.

You absolutely can put it on the same level as heroine because it is a class A drug by definition and has serious cardiovascular and neural effects, amongst others.

Not to mention that since it comes from a lab, it'll often contain hallucinogens and other harmful drugs that you don't know are in there.

I think I saw somewhere that like 1% of the world uses MDMA, so it's not some widely used party drug.

The more you know.

Schedule 1, not class A if we are being technical. Just like marijuana...which has more positive effects than negative, yet is still grouped with drugs like heroine and ecstasy so using this type of classification to debate where it belongs is flawed because the classification of drugs by the government is flawed.

 

In the end what matters is not the drug that was abused, but the decision to not once, but twice use and get busted. How many more times he actually took MDMA or something else is hard to know. It's up to scouts/security guys to find out if he had a problem, if he still has a problem, or if he has changed his life and readied himself to be a productive NFL player.

[gabefergy]

Could we put rhis drug discussion the cool kidz designer drug thread

as for jack, idk if his talents can be fully realized in a 34. Thats not to say he wouldnt be a good one, but its just hard for me see what kind of plays he can make from that position as opposed to a 43 where he would be responsible for a portion of the field or player every player.

I don't think it's as big of a difference as you are making it out to be, especially when we're in sub packages 60% of the time anyways.

[gabefergy]

I'm deep in the heart of Big 12 country and followed Locketts career pretty closely he was a steal in the third round. Too bad the Ravens didn't select him he had a great rookie season. I think Coleman is okay but he makes his living outside the numbers however, I wouldnt complain if he was taken in the second round

I see this statement a lot. Watching the film shows he can be effective outside or lined up in the slot. He does actually use the middle of the field fairly regularly. Also lined up in the backfield on occasion and made plays as a RB.

[gabefergy]

I wonder about this guy at free safety for us. I think he would be great there. My only concern about him generally would be durability but he is a straight up play maker and will make a difference wherever he lines up.

I would think more of a SS/nickel LB hybrid that spends a lot of time in the box or over the slot receiver. He'd have to make a huge transition to be a guy who you can trust in single high or cover 2.

[rmw10]

I don't think it's as big of a difference as you are making it out to be, especially when we're in sub packages 60% of the time anyways.

 

I think Jack has the size, assuming the listed measurements are correct.  I have more concern for the guys in the 220-230 range in making the transition to ILB in a 3-4.  They'll still obviously have a part in the nickel defense but the base defense does give me concern, even if it's not the full time defense.

[BmoreBird22]

ok I gotcha lol. Not that it's super relevant anyway. But I'd take a guy who used ecstasy and went to rehab for it over a guy like Gregory or blackmon who admitted to not being functional without weed. Von Miller was known to indulge in a roll on occasion and there has been speculation on him messing around once since he came in the league, but he has not been a trouble maker by any means. I think that's the closest comparison. He just doesn't appear to be another Gordon or blackmon

Again, I know nothing about him other than the entire BIG 10 banned him for a fairly serious drug.

Now, if he's truly cleaned himself up, I'm probably the person on this board most keen on giving second chances (I will give almost anyone a second chance), so I just would have to research him come combine time

[BmoreBird22]

ok I gotcha lol. Not that it's super relevant anyway. But I'd take a guy who used ecstasy and went to rehab for it over a guy like Gregory or blackmon who admitted to not being functional without weed. Von Miller was known to indulge in a roll on occasion and there has been speculation on him messing around once since he came in the league, but he has not been a trouble maker by any means. I think that's the closest comparison. He just doesn't appear to be another Gordon or blackmon

Again, I know nothing about him other than the entire BIG 10 banned him for a fairly serious drug.

Now, if he's truly cleaned himself up, I'm probably the person on this board most keen on giving second chances (I will give almost anyone a second chance), so I just would have to research him come combine time

[BmoreBird22]

Schedule 1, not class A if we are being technical. Just like marijuana...which has more positive effects than negative, yet is still grouped with drugs like heroine and ecstasy so using this type of classification to debate where it belongs is flawed because the classification of drugs by the government is flawed.

In the end what matters is not the drug that was abused, but the decision to not once, but twice use and get busted. How many more times he actually took MDMA or something else is hard to know. It's up to scouts/security guys to find out if he had a problem, if he still has a problem, or if he has changed his life and readied himself to be a productive NFL player.

Well, it depends on where in the world you are. They both function with the same meaning.

That's odd that Marijuana would be in that same group because no where else in the world is it above a class B. Ecstasy is almost universally class A.

The combine interviews will be what make or break it for me. I want to see how he handles the questions, unlike Gregory

[Sizzlebshu]

I don't think it's as big of a difference as you are making it out to be, especially when we're in sub packages 60% of the time anyways.

That actually plays into my point a bit more (since we are taking linebackers off for CBs and safeties).

 

I mean look having two great ilb (bowman and willis in San Fran) is only a good thing and it probably leads to more creative blitzes, but in sub package who is coming off the field? 

[Sizzlebshu]

I see this statement a lot. Watching the film shows he can be effective outside or lined up in the slot. He does actually use the middle of the field fairly regularly. Also lined up in the backfield on occasion and made plays as a RB.

FTR since when is making a living outside the #'s a bad thing. 

[RavensDieHard21]

I see nkemdiche as a top 5 talent, but character will push him to mod to late first, many analysts think he will be a freak, I think so too. If he fell beyond the early 20's I'd take him

[arnie_uk]

That actually plays into my point a bit more (since we are taking linebackers off for CBs and safeties).

I mean look having two great ilb (bowman and willis in San Fran) is only a good thing and it probably leads to more creative blitzes, but in sub package who is coming off the field?

the best defense in the league has luke kuechly and Thomas Davis on the field virtually every snap.

Why couldn't we do that with Jack and mosley

[GrimCoconut]

the best defense in the league has luke kuechly and Thomas Davis on the field virtually every snap.

Why couldn't we do that with Jack and mosley

Yep, and uses Short & Lotulelei as their inside pressure & run stoppers. They also have a good CB in Norman. I don't see why we can't get close to them. We have Williams & we have Jernigan, both of whom should be able to apply pressure. We have a lot of DL talent, honestly. We probably just lack the coverage LB to run what they do because Kuechly is a beast. 

Edited January 19, 2016 by GrimCoconut

[Sizzlebshu]

the best defense in the league has luke kuechly and Thomas Davis on the field virtually every snap.

Why couldn't we do that with Jack and mosley

Because we run a 34

In sub one of them comes off more likely than not for a db since suggs and doom go to play de

Edited January 19, 2016 by Sizzlebshu

[Sizzlebshu]

Yep, and uses Short & Lotulelei as their inside pressure & run stoppers. They also have a good CB in Norman. I don't see why we can't get close to them. We have Williams & we have Jernigan, both of whom should be able to apply pressure. We have a lot of DL talent, honestly. We probably just lack the coverage LB to run what they do because Kuechly is a beast.

To be fair they have three very good coverage limebackers

[arnie_uk]

Because we run a 34

In sub one of them comes off more likely than not for a db since suggs and doom go to play de

you lose a down lineman nor a mlb in nickel.

Suggs Jernigan williams canty doom

Mosley smith

Vs

Suggs Jernigan williams doom

Mosley smith.

[gabefergy]

That actually plays into my point a bit more (since we are taking linebackers off for CBs and safeties).

 

I mean look having two great ilb (bowman and willis in San Fran) is only a good thing and it probably leads to more creative blitzes, but in sub package who is coming off the field? 

DLs (normally the NT or a 5T) come off the field in sub-packages, not LBs.

[52520Andrew]

Yeah we take a DL off for nickel, we may take a LB out for Dime or Quarter(not sure) but considering that Mosely struggles in coverage and Daryl Smith is getting older, this spot could easily be open for Jack. A guy with his coverage abilities finds his way on the field in sub packages.

[ALPHA]

Any fans of Andrew Billings? kid has great tape

[Sizzlebshu]

Any fans of Andrew Billings? kid has great tape

I actually like him more than buckner

[GrimCoconut]

Any fans of Andrew Billings? kid has great tape

He's a beast. He moves really well. I'm honestly surprised by him. I've been trying to catch up with watching him. 

[thieverycorporation]

He's a beast. He moves really well. I'm honestly surprised by him. I've been trying to catch up with watching him. 

He's that nice? I'll check him out. Thanks guys cause I'm in the dark on him.

[gabefergy]

Nkemdiche needs to work on his technique A LOT, but plays like this are just wow.

 

https://mtc.cdn.vine.co/r/videos/9135EA18B81302187880147554304_40db1882afa.5.1.5205598305309359527.mp4?versionId=mI148GBpCp6nHoc2jR8NVZbNOKkF8T6I

[52520Andrew]

He's a beast. He moves really well. I'm honestly surprised by him. I've been trying to catch up with watching him. 

 

Yeah he looks good. Stout guy but has a pretty nice explosion for a guy as strong as him. Could be a really fun pick for a team like the Cowboys, I think that would be a great fit. Don't know if they go there or not as it is early but you never know.

[52520Andrew]

Nkemdiche needs to work on his technique A LOT, but plays like this are just wow

 

Yeah he is an athletic freak. I don't know if we have seen a D-lineman that talented come out in a while

[gabefergy]

Yeah he is an athletic freak. I don't know if we have seen a D-lineman that talented come out in a while

Aaron Donald is the closest comp I can think of, maybe some Dom Easley as well, but Robert is longer and leaner, and imo more explosive. His get-off is ridiculous.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Aaron Donald is the closest comp I can think of, maybe some Dom Easley as well, but Robert is longer and leaner, and imo more explosive. His get-off is ridiculous.

You know, if he somehow managed to fall to the second I'll call for him. I'd be okay with a high risk high reward pick there. 

 

I mean, the last dlinemen with the obscure name that started with an N that we drafted turned out to be a pretty good player if you asked me.

[52520Andrew]

Aaron Donald is the closest comp I can think of, maybe some Dom Easley as well, but Robert is longer and leaner, and imo more explosive. His get-off is ridiculous.

I wanna say Donald has just a bit more burst(although I may be biased on that one) but Nkemdiche also is listed at 15 pounds more which is crazy.