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[BmoreBird22]

I don't think there is any point to discuss what drug is a worse one to take. Taking anything as an athlete is a bad decision given the risk involved. It's up to the teams to figure out if the kid is going to have a real problem following rules or if it's just a young immature kid having fun who has gotten past that stage of his life.

I'm not saying one is worse than the other; I'm saying I don't think people on this board realize the seriousness of ecstasy. I have seen posters treat it the same as marijuana when it is in fact in the same class as cocaine and heroine and had it been cocaine instead of ecstasy (since they're in the same class), people would have been far more reluctant to be so dismissive of the drug offenses, twice.

[Dewy101]

Have you seen our offense when James Hurst is forced to sub in for Eugene Monroe? LT is an absolutely important position for this team. Even if dominant pass rushers line up on the right, it does not mean teams won't look for the best match ups, JJ Watt and Khalil Mack come into mind, DCs are going to scheme these guys to get their best matchups, that would mean them going up against guys like Hurst. I do prefer to go into other directions if we re-sign K.O as our LT, but if not then we need to find one, trade up if need-be.

But you're assuming that the LT we draft is going to be great right off the bat. Looking at history it's LT struggle and recently teams are just taking LT because they assume they are safe picks, but they are not. We're better off drafting a playmaker that can have an impact right away and invest in a LT in later rounds and have him develop.

[Cillmatic]

I don't hold it against a young kid that likes to party a bit.

If it turns into an addiction and he doesn't show hr can change then that's different.

If he's been suspended, got his wakeup call and sorted his life out, that's a plus!

He's not a kid. He's a man who should realize that he'll be going to the NFL in less than a year and that he shouldn't be an idiot. You could use the EXACT same excuse you're using to justify drafting the likes of Vontaze Burfict and Blackmon.

[Sizzlebshu]

That's not the main problem....

This guy has the opertunity to have a free education and make millions by playing a GAME but he'd rather risk it all to do some drugs; that's the sign of a SUPREMELY asinine simpleton; not someone you want on your team.

So with 90% of the nfl smoking pot I guess it is a league of idiots. He'll fit right in. Punishment is the same deal whether its weed, pot, coke, meth etc...

Edited January 17, 2016 by Sizzlebshu

[PurpleCity5]

But you're assuming that the LT we draft is going to be great right off the bat. Looking at history it's LT struggle and recently teams are just taking LT because they assume they are safe picks, but they are not. We're better off drafting a playmaker that can have an impact right away and invest in a LT in later rounds and have him develop.

Yes, its been a pretty underwhelming pick of LTs recently but that shouldn't force you to avoid taking one. If we fail to re-sign K.O and end up cutting Monroe, which is a hypothetical, then I don't see how you don't invest in a LT early. I'd rather take an LT high who I think will be great rather than wait for later to take a guy for the most part might be underwhelming. 

[Cillmatic]

So with 90% of the nfl smoking pot I guess it is a league of idiots. He'll fit right in. Punishment is the same deal whether its weed, pot, coke, meth etc...

Where are you getting this "90% of the nfl smoking pot" "fact" from?...

[Sizzlebshu]

Where are you getting this "90% of the nfl smoking pot" "fact" from?...

Hyperbole, but 

 

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2486218-banned-but-bountiful-marijuana-coveted-by-nfl-players-as-invaluable-painkiller

[Cillmatic]

Hyperbole, but

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2486218-banned-but-bountiful-marijuana-coveted-by-nfl-players-as-invaluable-painkiller

almost none of these guys are caught?

[Sizzlebshu]

almost none of these guys are caught?

the nfl doesn't want to catch them. I believe that article details how they test. 

[rmw10]

the nfl doesn't want to catch them. I believe that article details how they test. 

 

Yep.  Pretty much during any team function.  Players just essentially have to stop in time to pass tests during OTAs, minicamps, and training camp.

[Cillmatic]

the nfl doesn't want to catch them. I believe that article details how they test.

So why are players caught and punished?

[Gordo52]

So why are players caught and punished?

For being careless/stupid enough not to know how to keep it on the DL

[Cillmatic]

For being careless/stupid enough not to know how to keep it on the DL

So basically being like Spence? Only not as dumb?

[Sizzlebshu]

So basically being like Spence? Only not as dumb?

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[Drew P]

lockett is a body catcher and gets nervous hands on traffic, not sure where you're getting that idea from. I don't even like Coleman but I think with some work he will be a machine across the middle, he's built well at his size and plays very hard and tough

 

I'm deep in the heart of Big 12 country and followed Locketts career pretty closely he was a steal in the third round. Too bad the Ravens didn't select him he had a great rookie season. I think Coleman is okay but he makes his living outside the numbers however, I wouldnt complain if he was taken in the second round

[Gordo52]

So basically being like Spence? Only not as dumb?

Yep. I wouldn't take him 6th since there's plenty of safer & better options, but If he manages to make it back to us in the 2nd, no doubt we should pull the trigger. I don't see that happening but you never know.

[Edgar]

Jack's better than Bucannon in every possible way, but I could see a similar role.

I wonder about this guy at free safety for us. I think he would be great there. My only concern about him generally would be durability but he is a straight up play maker and will make a difference wherever he lines up.

[Edgar]

There is no doubt in my mind that spence is the best 3/4 OLB in this draft and fits us to a tee

[JoeyFlex5]

I'm deep in the heart of Big 12 country and followed Locketts career pretty closely he was a steal in the third round. Too bad the Ravens didn't select him he had a great rookie season. I think Coleman is okay but he makes his living outside the numbers however, I wouldnt complain if he was taken in the second round

I also think he was a 3rd round steal but he went that late for a reason and it wasn't just size, that's all I was saying, I think Coleman's ceiling is higher because he appears to be much more comfortable catching the football and outside of that they could have a very similar skill set once Coleman catches up with some nfl coaching

[JoeyFlex5]

I'm not saying one is worse than the other; I'm saying I don't think people on this board realize the seriousness of ecstasy. I have seen posters treat it the same as marijuana when it is in fact in the same class as cocaine and heroine and had it been cocaine instead of ecstasy (since they're in the same class), people would have been far more reluctant to be so dismissive of the drug offenses, twice.

it's nowhere near that. Its a party drug that is nearly impossible to get addicted to due to the nature of how it works. It drains your body's endorphins and is no longer effective until they are replenished, he could try to be an addict and take it every day but it would have no effect whatsoever after a day or 2.

You absolutely cannot put it in the same class as heroin which is the deadliest and most addictive drug known to man. Come on man.

Ecstasy is honestly much harder to abuse than something as relatively harmless as marijuana and in terms of having a "drug problem" it's on the same tier as being a pot head, it's just more dangerous for those who aren't educated about drugs, which I see there is plenty of on these boards

[GrimCoconut]

it's nowhere near that. Its a party drug that is nearly impossible to get addicted to due to the nature of how it works. It drains your body's endorphins and is no longer effective until they are replenished, he could try to be an addict and take it every day but it would have no effect whatsoever after a day or 2.

You absolutely cannot put it in the same class as heroin which is the deadliest and most addictive drug known to man. Come on man.

Ecstasy is honestly much harder to abuse than something as relatively harmless as marijuana and in terms of having a "drug problem" it's on the same tier as being a pot head, it's just more dangerous for those who aren't educated about drugs, which I see there is plenty of on these boards

You're wrong. Ecstasy is psychologically, but not physiologically, addictive. This means your body won't become addicted but you could become addicted to its effects. In this way it is similar to the addiction potential of marijuana; however, just like marijuana, there exist individuals who can't shake the habit. There are also significant side effects to ecstasy use. It's especially toxic to the liver. So, yeah, maybe you don't have another Josh Gordon or Blackmon, but you could have him die.

I have to say I think it's a bit overblown and I don't expect it to affect his stock. I've taken a closer look at him and his addiction and recovery and I think I may have been wrong. He very well could be a first round pick. We may even take him at #6 overall. It wouldn't surprise me. I don't think teams will let it affect his stock much.

Edited January 18, 2016 by GrimCoconut

[BmoreBird22]

it's nowhere near that. Its a party drug that is nearly impossible to get addicted to due to the nature of how it works. It drains your body's endorphins and is no longer effective until they are replenished, he could try to be an addict and take it every day but it would have no effect whatsoever after a day or 2.

You absolutely cannot put it in the same class as heroin which is the deadliest and most addictive drug known to man. Come on man.

Ecstasy is honestly much harder to abuse than something as relatively harmless as marijuana and in terms of having a "drug problem" it's on the same tier as being a pot head, it's just more dangerous for those who aren't educated about drugs, which I see there is plenty of on these boards

It's not nearly impossible to get addicted to... there's no conclusive evidence that it's physically addictive, but it's very psychologically addictive in many people.

It doesn't drain your endorphins; it acts as a substrate for the primary release of seratonin, dopamine, and neuroepanepherins (I hope I spelled that right). If you want the biochemistry behind it, I think I remember enough from schooling to explain it to you, but it's not the same thing. It's also associated with higher levels of oxytocin in the blood stream.

Now, given that MDMA works primarily on neural receptors and with seratonin, which plays a vital role in sleep, happiness, and memory, so long term uses affect the cognitive learning (learning, memory), can mess up your sleep schedule, and can lead to depression when not on ecstasy.

You absolutely can put it on the same level as heroine because it is a class A drug by definition and has serious cardiovascular and neural effects, amongst others.

Not to mention that since it comes from a lab, it'll often contain hallucinogens and other harmful drugs that you don't know are in there.

I think I saw somewhere that like 1% of the world uses MDMA, so it's not some widely used party drug.

The more you know.

[GrimCoconut]

It's not nearly impossible to get addicted to... there's no conclusive evidence that it's physically addictive, but it's very psychologically addictive in many people.

It doesn't drain your endorphins; it acts as a substrate for the primary release of seratonin, dopamine, and neuroepanepherins (I hope I spelled that right). If you want the biochemistry behind it, I think I remember enough from schooling to explain it to you, but it's not the same thing. It's also associated with higher levels of oxytocin in the blood stream.

Now, given that MDMA works primarily on neural receptors and with seratonin, which plays a vital role in sleep, happiness, and memory, so long term uses affect the cognitive learning (learning, memory), can mess up your sleep schedule, and can lead to depression when not on ecstasy.

You absolutely can put it on the same level as heroine because it is a class A drug by definition and has serious cardiovascular and neural effects, amongst others.

Not to mention that since it comes from a lab, it'll often contain hallucinogens and other harmful drugs that you don't know are in there.

I think I saw somewhere that like 1% of the world uses MDMA, so it's not some widely used party drug.

The more you know.

There isn't enough research on it. So to your point that's why there's not much on it. It's not well understood. Synthetics are typically worse, however, since they contain impure properties and are often laced with cleaners and other toxic chemicals to the body.

Btw it's norepinephrine.

Also, I've never taken any drugs but I am a nurse and know that schizophrenia is typically a well known side effect of drug abuse. I'm not knowledgeable enough on substance abuse and I'm not researching it right now, but I wouldn't be surprised to learn ecstasy has schizophrenia as a side effect. Not that anything is wrong with being schizophrenic, but you don't want someone hallucinating on the field.

Edited January 18, 2016 by GrimCoconut

[BmoreBird22]

There isn't enough research on it. So to your point that's why there's not much on it. It's not well understood. Synthetics are typically worse, however, since they contain impure properties and are often laced with cleaners and other toxic chemicals to the body.

Btw it's norepinephrine.

Also, I've never taken any drugs but I am a nurse and know that schizophrenia is typically a well known side effect of drug abuse. I'm not knowledgeable enough on substance abuse and I'm not researching it right now, but I wouldn't be surprised to learn ecstasy has schizophrenia as a side effect. Not that anything is wrong with being schizophrenic, but you don't want someone hallucinating on the field.

Have to imagine that's probably due to it being so close in structure to other analogous chemicals (I can't pull any off the top of my head) that they just make assumptions based off of other research.

Figured I spelled it wrong with a few other words. I'm on mobile and at work, so I didn't spell check.

I can tell you firsthand how tedious it is to try to purify a chemical. It's ridiculously time consuming and given they're selling a drug, not marketing one, they don't care what goes in there as long as it works.

This isn't something I'd Mesa around with; although, I will admit I know very little about Spence's situation

[GrimCoconut]

Have to imagine that's probably due to it being so close in structure to other analogous chemicals (I can't pull any off the top of my head) that they just make assumptions based off of other research.

Figured I spelled it wrong with a few other words. I'm on mobile and at work, so I didn't spell check.

I can tell you firsthand how tedious it is to try to purify a chemical. It's ridiculously time consuming and given they're selling a drug, not marketing one, they don't care what goes in there as long as it works.

This isn't something I'd Mesa around with; although, I will admit I know very little about Spence's situation

Yeah. I personally think teams will overlook it. It'll depends on his interviews, naturally, but I think he possess unreal talent as an OLB and it wouldn't surprise me if he's our target pass rusher. He would've certainly been a high first round pick with Bosa had he remained at Ohio State. He played well with EKU. It's certainly something to make you take a second look, but I don't see it as a deal breaker.

[JoeyFlex5]

It's not nearly impossible to get addicted to... there's no conclusive evidence that it's physically addictive, but it's very psychologically addictive in many people.

It doesn't drain your endorphins; it acts as a substrate for the primary release of seratonin, dopamine, and neuroepanepherins (I hope I spelled that right). If you want the biochemistry behind it, I think I remember enough from schooling to explain it to you, but it's not the same thing. It's also associated with higher levels of oxytocin in the blood stream.

Now, given that MDMA works primarily on neural receptors and with seratonin, which plays a vital role in sleep, happiness, and memory, so long term uses affect the cognitive learning (learning, memory), can mess up your sleep schedule, and can lead to depression when not on ecstasy.

You absolutely can put it on the same level as heroine because it is a class A drug by definition and has serious cardiovascular and neural effects, amongst others.

Not to mention that since it comes from a lab, it'll often contain hallucinogens and other harmful drugs that you don't know are in there.

I think I saw somewhere that like 1% of the world uses MDMA, so it's not some widely used party drug.

The more you know.

class a means nothing. Your schooling means nothing here either, I have seen first hand what heroin and cocaine does, trust me when I say it's nowhere even close. It simply isn't, not by a long shot. Life experience is what matters here, no amount of studying can teach you how far heroin and cocaine are from a party drug like ecstasy. And btw I didn't mean Amy offense when I said your schooling means nothing lol, just saying that nothing can teach you about drugs more than having them play a massive influence on your entire life Edited January 18, 2016 by JoeyFlex5

[JoeyFlex5]

You're wrong. Ecstasy is psychologically, but not physiologically, addictive. This means your body won't become addicted but you could become addicted to its effects. In this way it is similar to the addiction potential of marijuana; however, just like marijuana, there exist individuals who can't shake the habit. There are also significant side effects to ecstasy use. It's especially toxic to the liver. So, yeah, maybe you don't have another Josh Gordon or Blackmon, but you could have him die.

I have to say I think it's a bit overblown and I don't expect it to affect his stock. I've taken a closer look at him and his addiction and recovery and I think I may have been wrong. He very well could be a first round pick. We may even take him at #6 overall. It wouldn't surprise me. I don't think teams will let it affect his stock much.

I know there's a psychological addiction but that is more a mind game than a real addiction. The point im trying to make is it is more comparable to marihuana in the sense that it's a psychological addiction and nowhere near the destructive life ruining addictions of heroin and cocaine like bmorebird claimed. Not even close and I can personally testify to this after watching it ruin my dad's life and nearly every childhood friend and seeing double digit overdoses in the past year alone from people I knew personally.

[arnie_uk]

Without going to much into it I can safely say extasy shouldn't be anywhere close to the same level as H and crack.

Imo it's a drug that could be made legal and government regulated, You at least then wouldn't get the rat poison etc in it. It's those extra chemicals that cause the deaths, not the mdma

[Mt. Crushmore]

To his point, I don't think EKU administers the drug tests but I think it's the NCAA or the conference. That's my guess since he was suspended from the BIG 10 & not just Ohio State.

 

I'm believe all 3 levels (NCAA, conference, and teams) administer tests to players. Since Spence was suspended from Big 10, his was probably caught on a conference test.

[BmoreBird22]

class a means nothing. Your schooling means nothing here either, I have seen first hand what heroin and cocaine does, trust me when I say it's nowhere even close. It simply isn't, not by a long shot. Life experience is what matters here, no amount of studying can teach you how far heroin and cocaine are from a party drug like ecstasy. And btw I didn't mean Amy offense when I said your schooling means nothing lol, just saying that nothing can teach you about drugs more than having them play a massive influence on your entire life

When I say same level, I don't mean it's as bad as heroine or cocaine. I'm not trying to compare which is worse because I've done enough research on heroine for me to consider it the scariest drug of all.

What I meant is that they're going to have serious ramifications on your life longterm during extended usage. Trust me when I say I wouldn't mess with a single drug that relies solely on stimulating neural receptors. It's just dangerous.

I don't know much about Spence at EKU, but I do know any drug like ecstasy, cocaine, heroine, etc would give me a very long pause.