Gabe's Big Board

[gabefergy]

First post in a while, but I've done a lot of draft research and here is my take on what the Ravens will be looking for in the first round.

 

1. Joey Bosa

2. Laremy Tunsil

3. Jalen Ramsey

4. Laquon Treadwell

5. Robert Nkemdiche*

6. Myles Jack

7. DeForest Buckner

8. Vernon Hargreaves

9. Corey Coleman

10. Ronnie Stanley

11. A'Shawn Robinson

12. Shaq Lawson

13. Jaylon Smith**

14. Mackensie Alexander

15. Ezekiel Elliot

16. Emmanuel Ogbah

17. Michael Thomas

18. Noah Spence*

19. Taylor Decker

20. Jonathan Allen

21. Josh Doctson

22. Darron Lee

23. Kenny Clark

24. Shilique Calhoun

25. Su'A Cravens

 

*Character/off-field concerns could cause drop

** major injury could cause drop

Edited January 17, 2016 by gabefergy

[arnie_uk]

I really like lee as a possible trade up candidate in the late first early second.

Hed be a valuable asset to our defense.

Everyone's top 2 will be more or less the same, maybe flipped.

3 to about 15 16 could be any order imo

[Sizzlebshu]

Dont think ramsey should be that high

Kinda surprised you have spence that low without a *

Edited January 14, 2016 by Sizzlebshu

[Drew P]

Coleman has the speed but limited in routes and vanished in thin air versus big boy schools

[redlobster]

I think Darron Lee is vastly overrated.

[Sizzlebshu]

Coleman has the speed but limited in routes and vanished in thin air versus big boy schools

Skills are still there.

Reminds me of the new school prototype ie john brown, ty hilton, brandon cooks with his comp being the latter for me

[arnie_uk]

Skills are still there.

Reminds me of the new school prototype ie john brown, ty hilton, brandon cooks with his comp being the latter for me

quick, agile, nimble, shifty... seems to be the way to go now.

Lockett and brown are also similar players.

DeMarcus ayers from Houston is similar as well. A guy I like in the mid to late rounds.

[Drew P]

quick, agile, nimble, shifty... seems to be the way to go now.

Lockett and brown are also similar players.

DeMarcus ayers from Houston is similar as well. A guy I like in the mid to late rounds.

 

Not even close to Lockett. He's a tough little guy that can go across the middle. I dont see Coleman sniffing the middle of the field in the NFL.

[arnie_uk]

Not even close to Lockett. He's a tough little guy that can go across the middle. I dont see Coleman sniffing the middle of the field in the NFL.

his play style is similar. Shifty nimble agile.

[January J]

First post in a while, but I've done a lot of draft research and here is my take on what the Ravens will be looking for in the first round.

 

1. Joey Bosa

2. Laremy Tunsil

3. Jalen Ramsey

4. Laquon Treadwell

5. Robert Nkemdiche*

6. Myles Jack

7. DeForest Buckner

8. Vernon Hargreaves

9. Corey Coleman

10. Ronnie Stanley

11. A'Shawn Robinson

12. Shaq Lawson

13. Jaylon Smith**

14. Mackensie Alexander

15. Ezekiel Elliot

16. Emmanuel Ogbah

17. Michael Thomas

18. Noah Spence

19. Taylor Decker

20. Jonathan Allen

21. Josh Doctson

22. Darron Lee

23. Kenny Clark

24. Shilique Calhoun

25. Su'A Cravens

 

*Character/off-field concerns could cause drop

** major injury could cause drop

i agree with the first 3 or 4 but then it starts getting a little off..I don't see jack and nkemdiche ahead of Buckner and I don't see Stanley that low to name a few.

I think ALOT of people keep sleeping on Stanley and I wouldn't be surprised at all if after the combine he is neck and neck or even above tunsil.

[Sizzlebshu]

i agree with the first 3 or 4 but then it starts getting a little off..I don't see jack and nkemdiche ahead of Buckner and I don't see Stanley that low to name a few.

I think ALOT of people keep sleeping on Stanley and I wouldn't be surprised at all if after the combine he is neck and neck or even above tunsil.

The above is a very poor way to evaluate and what led the chiefs to select all time bust fisher at #1.

The combine should confirm what you see on tape and tape shows that tunsil is just much more technically sound than ronnie. That isnt a knock on ronnie either but a credit to Tunsil.

@gabe have you watched tape on myles jack? I cant seem to find any examples of him shedding blocks which worries me a lot.

[January J]

The above is a very poor way to evaluate and what led the chiefs to select all time bust fisher at #1.

The combine should confirm what you see on tape and tape shows that tunsil is just much more technically sound than ronnie. That isnt a knock on ronnie either but a credit to Tunsil.

@gabe have you watched tape on myles jack? I cant seem to find any examples of him shedding blocks which worries me a lot.

how is that a poor way to evaluate ? I didn't even really evaluate anything lol.. I just said a lot of people are sleeping on him. Just bc tunsil looks better now doesn't mean Stanley may not have more potential. If he works on his strength I think he could definitely be just as good as tunsil if not better. Several analysts have already mocked Stanley over tunsil.

[GrimCoconut]

The above is a very poor way to evaluate and what led the chiefs to select all time bust fisher at #1.

The combine should confirm what you see on tape and tape shows that tunsil is just much more technically sound than ronnie. That isnt a knock on ronnie either but a credit to Tunsil.

@gabe have you watched tape on myles jack? I cant seem to find any examples of him shedding blocks which worries me a lot.

NFL teams do it, though, of which even you agree since you mentioned Fisher. The combine and play in the all star games has proven to elevate draft stock of prospects. Lol the combine is almost like presidential elections. This isn't an opportunity to discuss politics but more of an analogy to show how positions do mean little at this time.

[Sizzlebshu]

NFL teams do it, though, of which even you agree since you mentioned Fisher. The combine and play in the all star games has proven to elevate draft stock of prospects. Lol the combine is almost like presidential elections. This isn't an opportunity to discuss politics but more of an analogy to show how positions do mean little at this time.

Didnt say teams dont do it, just that it is poor. My point is that the combine shouldnt override the tape.

[GrimCoconut]

Didnt say teams dont do it, just that it is poor. My point is that the combine shouldnt override the tape.

Well, in the case of Stanley it wouldn't. He's really good with his technique. He's like a dancing bear. A combine posting great numbers wouldn't override his tape at all. I think what helps guys go higher after a great combine is the potential. That ol p word lol.

[52520Andrew]

Stanley's pass pro is the best I have seen from a lineman coming out but he looks almost like a different player run blocking. Depends on if we think we can fix that or not.

[gabefergy]

Coleman has the speed but limited in routes and vanished in thin air versus big boy schools

Vanished because Baylor was onto their 3rd and 4th string QBs.

[gabefergy]

i agree with the first 3 or 4 but then it starts getting a little off..I don't see jack and nkemdiche ahead of Buckner and I don't see Stanley that low to name a few.

I think ALOT of people keep sleeping on Stanley and I wouldn't be surprised at all if after the combine he is neck and neck or even above tunsil.

Stanley has a lot of inconsistncies that worry me. Lacks power in run game and his anchor vs power rush is poor. He has a nice frame/athleticism, but I don't see him as a lock to be a quality LT which is why I have him lower. I think Decker might be a better pro tbh.

 

Nkemdiche is a physical freak with immense upside. Rare explosive traits for a DT/DE at 295. If his head is on right, he has potential to be a dominant pass-rusher in the NFL. That's why I have him over Buckner who is a more complete player at this point, but his upside is not as high.

 

Jack is another massive upside player, but unlike Nkemdiche he doesn't have the  character questions. Position penalty is the only reason he isn't top 3. He can cover TEs, WRs, RBs like a DB but is a very physical presence against the run as well. He is everything you want in a modern NFL LB.

[gabefergy]

Stanley's pass pro is the best I have seen from a lineman coming out but he looks almost like a different player run blocking. Depends on if we think we can fix that or not.

I think Tunsil is better. He's more fluid.

[January J]

Stanley has a lot of inconsistncies that worry me. Lacks power in run game and his anchor vs power rush is poor. He has a nice frame/athleticism, but I don't see him as a lock to be a quality LT which is why I have him lower. I think Decker might be a better pro tbh.

 

Nkemdiche is a physical freak with immense upside. Rare explosive traits for a DT/DE at 295. If his head is on right, he has potential to be a dominant pass-rusher in the NFL. That's why I have him over Buckner who is a more complete player at this point, but his upside is not as high.

 

Jack is another massive upside player, but unlike Nkemdiche he doesn't have the  character questions. Position penalty is the only reason he isn't top 3. He can cover TEs, WRs, RBs like a DB but is a very physical presence against the run as well. He is everything you want in a modern NFL LB.

id love to have jack and I think he could really help our team alongside Mosley. But not that high. I see him as a possible trade back target at 15. But we def have more pressing needs

[gabefergy]

The above is a very poor way to evaluate and what led the chiefs to select all time bust fisher at #1.

The combine should confirm what you see on tape and tape shows that tunsil is just much more technically sound than ronnie. That isnt a knock on ronnie either but a credit to Tunsil.

@gabe have you watched tape on myles jack? I cant seem to find any examples of him shedding blocks which worries me a lot.

Yes, watch the Virginia (2015) game. You will see some nice film of him taking on blockers. It's not his greatest asset. He uses speed and agility to avoid blockers fairly well, but he has some physicality to him as well.

 

https://zippy.gfycat.com/ScholarlyTemptingChevrotain.webm

[gabefergy]

id love to have jack and I think he could really help our team alongside Mosley. But not that high. I see him as a possible trade back target at 15. But we def have more pressing needs

I think the LBs inability to cover was a pretty glaring need. It would allow more versatile use of safeties and more man coverage concepts. Jack routinely erased slot receivers whether it's a TE or WR. I think that is a big value added to any defense.

[Drew P]

Vanished because Baylor was onto their 3rd and 4th string QBs.

 

I don't see him as first round worthy. He's a one trick pony an outside the numbers receiver coming out of a circus of an offense.

[Sizzlebshu]

Well, in the case of Stanley it wouldn't. He's really good with his technique. He's like a dancing bear. A combine posting great numbers wouldn't override his tape at all. I think what helps guys go higher after a great combine is the potential. That ol p word lol.

Taking nothing away from him, Tunsils tape is as good as i have seen. It is honestly hard for me to find something to pick apart qithout stretching or nitpicking. With staley, i can find flaws or things to work on.

[Sizzlebshu]

Yes, watch the Virginia (2015) game. You will see some nice film of him taking on blockers. It's not his greatest asset. He uses speed and agility to avoid blockers fairly well, but he has some physicality to him as well.

https://zippy.gfycat.com/ScholarlyTemptingChevrotain.webm

I watched virginia, unlv, and kentucky. Just did not see block shedding, but ill go back. Tbh idt he knows how to use his hands to shed blocks and get off. He just prefers to avoid them or bounce off them. When he latches on he just kinda gets caught up with the blocker to me an doesn't really get off until the play is over. To me its more lack technique than lack of physicality (which he can be to almost a fault)

It bugs me because he is really exceptional in coverage, but he is pretty restricted to a 43 to me if he cant shed blocks consistently. Exceptional range too. 

Edited January 15, 2016 by Sizzlebshu

[GrimCoconut]

Taking nothing away from him, Tunsils tape is as good as i have seen. It is honestly hard for me to find something to pick apart qithout stretching or nitpicking. With staley, i can find flaws or things to work on.

Who are you kidding? Tunsil looks like a future #1 LT in the league, possibly another JO. He's a beast. I'd love to have him here but I don't think he'll be there but if he is man...

[Sizzlebshu]

Who are you kidding? Tunsil looks like a future #1 LT in the league, possibly another JO. He's a beast. I'd love to have him here but I don't think he'll be there but if he is man...

That's kind of my point. Even with a great combine, Staley's tape just isn't on that level so for an evaluator to move the needle even closer just cause of the combine is kinda of absurd to me. 

[Cillmatic]

I watched virginia, unlv, and kentucky. Just did not see block shedding, but ill go back. Tbh idt he knows how to use his hands to shed blocks and get off. He just prefers to avoid them or bounce off them. When he latches on he just kinda gets caught up with the blocker to me an doesn't really get off until the play is over. To me its more lack technique than lack of physicality (which he can be to almost a fault)

It bugs me because he is really exceptional in coverage, but he is pretty restricted to a 43 to me if he cant shed blocks consistently. Exceptional range too.

I second this. I didn't see any shredded blocks either.

[gabefergy]

you guys see the gif I just posted? He knocks an OL backwards before the guy could even engage him. 

 

This is shedding a block, no? https://zippy.gfycat.com/SaltyComplicatedComet.webm

 

Here he sheds the TE pretty effortlessly. https://zippy.gfycat.com/FloweryPlaintiveHumpbackwhale.webm

 

I don't see it as a problem.

[gabefergy]

This isn't how you evaluate talent. Project the skillset, not the system.

I don't see him as first round worthy. He's a one trick pony an outside the numbers receiver coming out of a circus of an offense.