Flex last mock until the combine

[ravensnick]

Good luck getting Spence that late. He looks like a borderline first rounder, even with his off the field issues. 

[Winchester]

im pretty sure the only players that you have not nitpicked to death are tunsil and treadwell lol. seems like every prospect that gets mentioned you have some menial trivial aspect that makes you dislike him. elite twitch is of no concern for a guy like buckner and he doesnt just overpower players, he is great at knifing through gaps and using his length to disrupt the play at the very least, he has a better first step than most pure edge rushers in the draft which is damned impressive at his size. he diagnoses the play very well and he does it early, and is very decisive in what he does, if he feels he cant get to the qb in time then he prepares for the swat, if he knows he wont make the tackle in the backfield then he will crash to the side and push the play to the exterior. 

 

the most i have ever seen him struggle was against michigan state in which he was taking on jack conklin + their guard for the majority of the game, and it was still a solid performance, he ate space very well and made the most of those double blocks by pretty much shifting the left side of their OL forcing them to move with him, and when he got the rare single block... he was in the backfield, even against jack conklin, i mean he blocked a decent game considering who he was facing but it was obvious in those rare single matchups that conklin was overmatched.

Once Harbs hears he overmatched Conklin he is going to jump off the sofa, his potato chips flying everywhere and scream out "I gotta have this #$%&@!! His call to Ozzie is going to clash with peas and Decosta call about the same thing. Jack Conklin?? Conklin is a loser jack. Not impressed!! Let's see him overmatch James Hurst!! lol just playing dude. I was saying i trust you see something in him. Have not watched him or Bosa much. There is one thing I like better bout Bosa so far. Although Buckner is a fluid bender for a big guy.

[JoeyFlex5]

Good luck getting Spence that late. He looks like a borderline first rounder, even with his off the field issues.

Gregory was a top 10 pick before off field issues which honestly were no worse than spences. A top 10 falling to the late 2nd is comparable to a late first falling to the early 3rd. Teams have been on edge about drug problems after seeing what happened with blackmon and Gordon and these guys tend to tumble every bit as far as we imagine they can

[Clmraven]

I honestly think questions about fit cause Allen to drop. He's going to get labeled a tweener imo. I think he'll fall to the low second, high third round.

I think Allen is gonna have to pull the same thing Mario Edwards did at the combine last year, everyone thought Edwards was a 3-4 DE or a 4-3 DT, yet after being listed at near 300lbs he shows up under 280, runs a decent 40 and all of the sudden gets drafted as a 4-3 DE. I think Allen is gonna have to pick a position and work on either gaining weight or losing a little by the combine if he wants to go day one.

[Sizzlebshu]

DISCLAIMER- this mock is very long. 

 

1. Tennessee Titans - Laremy Tunsil, OT. 

there arent many other picks that make sense right here, protect your franchise qb who took a beating as a rookie, protect the edge and let him use his mobility to its full potential with rollouts and bootlegs. 

 

2. Cleveland Browns - Jared Goff, QB. 

New regime, hue jackson is a qb whisperer and a damn good one, he will take the guy he thinks brings good upside, i actually think Hue + Goff in cleveland will bring some life to the team but i dont think they are becoming a real competitior any time soon. 

 

3. San Diego Chargers - Joey Bosa, DE/OLB. 

tough choice, they really want some interior help so they consider a'shawn, they really want to replace weddle and ramsey is a great fit in that role so they consider him, theyd like to move on from king dunlap so they consider stanley, and they have some solid edge rushers and have invested heavily there, but none have panned out to their draft stock nor are they even 3 down defenders, they upgrade with what they believe to be the best value here. 

 

4. Dallas Cowboys - A'shawn Robinson, DT/NT. 

perfect fit for rod marinellis 4-3, hes a natural 4-3DT and can also play the 5-tech and nose tackle very naturally as well. a bully, tone setter, and just overall a force on the front, this is who they begin to build around. 

 

5. Jacksonville Jaguars - Jalen Ramsey, S. 

They have built something special on offense, they are building something special on defense, the jags are on the upswing and this is the catalyst for their future on defense, he brings a spark that they lack and gives them an identity. 

 

6. Baltimore Ravens - DeForest Buckner, DE/DT. 

And my top player of the draft, and a guy who i actually think could fall. hes a pac12 DT competing against big10 and SEC Dlinemen for draft stock, and i actually do believe that plays a factor here. the pedigree of robinson and bosa winning the championship the past 2 years and coming from the toughest "trench" conferences in the nation is going to have all eyes on them, while big personalities like ramsey garner attention as well. i wont beat around the bush here, buckner could be the most dominant defender in the league, he can replace canty but also bring much more, i wont get into details because this will be a long post anyway, but i firmly believe if we were picking first overall this should still be our guy. 

 

7. San Fran 49ers - Paxton Lynch, QB. 

theyre taking a qb, period, unless the top 2 are gone. 

 

8. Miami Dolphins - Vernon Hargreaves, CB. 

Obvious choice to me, good value, semi-local prospect, they desperately need another cb to pair with grimes, scheme diverse plug and play guy. 

 

9. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Ronnie Stanley, OT. 

Stupid value here, they need a LT, they need to protect their franchise guy, by far the best player available, no brainer. 

 

10. New York Giants - Laquon Treadwell, WR. 

they surprise us all here, they need help in a lot of areas but they dont see the value in shaq lawson, they like the thought of alexander here, but they are too intrigued at the thought of giving eli a ridiculous pair of weapons and they hope all that firepower can mask their weaknesses on the way to a super bowl. lets remember, they were 1 possession away in nearly every game from being 14-2 or something ridiculous like that... 

 

11. Chicago Bears - Mackensie Alexander, CB. 

shaq lawson simply doesnt fit their 3-4, they dont see the value in any other pass rushers though they need one, but they could also use a legit cb to pair with kyle fuller, this gives them a large, physical, athletic, and tough pair of cb's for an elite duo. 

 

12. New Orleans Saints - Myles Jack, LB. 

doesnt help with their image of "soft" but does pose a serious threat to the high-octane offenses of the NFC south with a unique skillset, can cover slot receivers with the ease of a slot cb, can cover TE's with the ease of a SS, can weave and shed blocks with incredible burst and instincts to sniff out screens. low key one of the most effective immediate contributors in this draft. 

 

13. Philadelphia Eagles - Taylor Decker, OT. 

i personally prefer conklin, but the general consensus seems to favor taylor, so ill go with that. not the best value, but the eagles need OL help, no qb is available here and they dont see an edge rusher or safety with any value. 

 

14. Oakland Raiders - Jack Conklin, OT. 

Conklin looks like a definite starter at RT, possibly LT as well. cant go wrong investing in a young qb's future. tre'davious white is an uber reach at this point(in my opinion) and as badly as they want a DB here there just isnt one for the taking. 

 

15. LA Rams - Corey Coleman, WR. 

he will light up the combine, knock the interviews out of the park, his stock will skyrocket like so many 5'10" burners do(every draft is good for one of these guys to do this it seems) and the rams are a qb and wr away from competing. they hold out hope that with an elite run game and enough weapons that foles can make due, they target OJ howard or carson wentz in the 2nd to either replace foles or continue to make his life easy. 

 

16. Detroit Lions - Tre'Davious White, CB. 

porous secondary needs a playmaker, white isnt the most refined guy but has high upside and playmaking potential, big boom or bust guy especially playing against the meticulous passing offenses of the packers and vikings. 

 

17. Atlanta Falcons - Shaq Lawson, DE. 

beasley brings a ferocious speed rush, and then they have nothing else up front, lawson brings the opposite by being an absolute bully on the strong side, gives them a good 1-2 punch on each end. 

 

18. Indianapolis Colts - Ezekiel Elliott, RB. 

richardson was a bust, they have old and abused runningbacks right now and in a year or 2 they may have literally nothing to field at the position, elliott brings leadership, a smart and polished element to a young and reckless offense. 

 

19. Buffalo Bills - Jayron Kearse, S. 

uber reach but this is 100% on rex, he is enamored with a 6'5" safety with the range of a prototype center fielder, he pounds the table and gets his guy but doesnt realize that he has high bust potential because of his seeming lack of patience and instincts in general, could be good though. 

 

20. New York Jets - Leonard Floyd, OLB. 

Todd Bowles is shaking in his boots hoping rex doesnt take him, he knows what he has on defense and what hes missing, williams and wilkerson bookending the 3 down men is just scary but they lack the explosive speed element, floyd goes untouched to the qb in NY. 

 

21. Washington Redskins - Vadal Alexander, G/C. 

they need help in the interior, alexander looks like a guard rather than a tackle, they want to see their run game take off while they hope that is enough to keep cousins on his hot streak, they get a good value piece here. 

 

22. Houston Texans - Carson Wentz, QB. 

theyre desperate for a qb, and they need practically nothing else, however this pick probably doesnt do it and it just sets them back further. 

 

23. Minnesota Vikings - Josh Doctson, WR. 

Doctson will have a great draft process, if his wrist heals up fine, he should nail the interview process and i actually expect him to test better athletically than most would expect, he ends up a first rounder as a deep ball magician while diggs continues to be the reliable high volume guy. 

 

24. Cincinnati Bengals - Jarran Reed, DT. 

their defensive line is aging, they cant keep the squad together forever, and they feel the same about the LB corps but they understand that depth and rotation is more important on the DL than the LB corps in a 4-3. 

 

25. Pittsburgh Steelers - Su'a Cravens, S/LB. 

strange, considering polamalu and all, and maybe it seems lazy, but its something they could really use, none of their OLBs have panned out and cravens brings a rare element of legit pass rush skills from the safety position, and pairing a hybrid player like this with the likes of ryan shazier at LB is intriguing for them. 

 

26. Seattle Seahawks - Andrew Billings, DT. 

one of their DTs will be leaving in FA, if not both. immediate starter, solid contributor but nothing spectacular. 

 

27. Green Bay Packers - Jonathan Allen, DE. 

Decent pick, could be a very high upside guy, DE in a 4-3 but struggles to find a spot in 3-4 unless he can lose weight, but he is very nimble on his feet at his size, so if he loses 15 lbs to play OLB then look out. 

 

28. Denver Broncos - Cody Whitehair, G. 

kubiak dont play with the OL, elway knows he can make some calls when it comes to this group, he takes an athletic and smart mauler at guard. 

 

29. Carolina Panthers - Johnathan Bullard, DE. 

an average DE from a big name team goes to a team who frantically looks to build up some pass rush after being worked in the playoffs by carson palmer. 

 

30. Kansas City Chiefs - Shilique Calhoun, DE/OLB. 

i also consider reggie ragland here, not sure, but hali will be gone before they know it and i always have thought these 2 resemble eachother a bit, however, calhoun can never replicate hali's first step and thus never lives up to the stock. 

 

31. Arizona Cardinals - Reggie Ragland, ILB. 

allows deone bucannon to scare the bejeezus out of wr's more, allows mathieu to disregard run support and focus on playmaking against the pass, gives them another fierce physical guy in the front seven. 

 

- end of first round - 

 

36. Eli Apple, CB.

tough, aggressive, impressive athlete, length, great press skills, possibly the best db in the draft at getting his hands on the ball by all means, helps in run support, tenacious, plays like a raven. could show some streaky play against the super refined route runners due to his aggression, but he will make up for it by forcing turnovers. first round grade for me. 

 

70. Noah Spence, OLB.

the lack of high level competition scares teams away after his rehab stints, we get some dumb luck here and find a first rounder in the 3rd, nobody wouldve thought the cowboys would get gregory at the end of the 2nd but they did, spence was never as high profile a guy as gregory and therefore has a real chance to take a much harder freefall. 

 

101. Cyrus Jones, DB/returner. 

this guy i predict will be in a lot of mocks, just a classic ozzie pick here, being hes a champion AND from alabama. project guy, but a great return man from day one and could certainly become a strong depth piece, has a knack for making plays. 

 

2 4th round COMP PICKS:  

Eric Striker, OLB.

smaller guy, but supreme athlete, brings something that we lack with great burst and agility, if he can keep his distance from blockers then he can make plays in the backfield, who better to keep him free than jernigan/williams/buckner? 

Demarcus Robinson, WR.

we know what kind of wr he is, just a generally well rounded skillset, long and strong build, above average athlete, does a good job of plucking the ball in and out of traffic on easy and tough passes, physical ballcarrier. suspended from the team 4 times and will be in a freefall, but has never appeared to be a REAL problem child, other teams pass and begin to target him in the 5th but we get him here. 

 

132. Denver Kirkland, G.

love the kids athleticism at his size. he could struggle in man blocking situations but will be an absolute machine in zone blocking, his lack of ideal mean streak is why he doesnt go higher, not really a steal, he belongs in this range and if he can learn to snap the ball and has it between the ears then he is a future upgrade at center. side note, has played a whole season with a sprained shoulder before, doesnt miss snaps for anything. 

 

5th round COMP PICK:

Adam Gotsis, DT.

very raw but extremely high upside, the type of prospect that clarence brooks takes and turns into a big pay day 4 years from now. i would be applauding this pick big time. 

 

quicklist: 

DeForest Buckner 

Eli Apple 

Noah Spence

Cyrus Jones 

Eric Striker 

Demarcus Robinson 

Denver Kirkland 

Adam Gotsis 

 

as always i dont attempt rounds 6 or 7. thoughts?

Spence won't drop to the 3rd. I can guarantee that especially after Gregory last yr. You can say he had lackluster competition, but he did what great player do at that level and dominated them in every way possible. So long as he doesn't fail anymore drug tests and interviews well, he is going skyrocket up draft boards as he is one of the few blue chip prospects in this draft (Gregory's issue was that he was a moron and failed the one test you can't fail. He doesn't do that, and we are talking about a top 10 pick last yr) 

[Wildabeast88]

Okay went to look at Apple tape, and I have to say I don't see a first rounder except by potential. His Michigan State tape was disappointing to me, as Burbridge beat him all day. I think Tyler Boyd would be a better option for our 2nd. Ideally Buckner in the 1st, Boyd in 2nd, best available corner, Yannick, or Sterling Shepard in 3rd. Thoughts?

I don't think we need to double up on WR

[Wildabeast88]

Gregory was a top 10 pick before off field issues which honestly were no worse than spences. A top 10 falling to the late 2nd is comparable to a late first falling to the early 3rd. Teams have been on edge about drug problems after seeing what happened with blackmon and Gordon and these guys tend to tumble every bit as far as we imagine they can

the difference in the 2 is Gregory failed a test at the combine Spence has been clean for over a year by all accounts

[thieverycorporation]

I don't think we need to double up on WR

Are you kidding me ? So we don't need to invest greater ? This season was an omen. Aiken being your top guy says it all. In fact I wouldn't be surprised to see two selected and two undrafted as additions to compete. We all know Browns done. Givens may not be resigned although I hope so on the cheap. Brown is a question mark. SSSr is a Question mark. Perriman is a…..

Flacco will give them some relief as he won't to be seen as has hindrance to winning. You can argue that we have tightends but they can't be the sole ave going forward with all the draft capital we have at our disposal.

Edited January 15, 2016 by thieverycorporation

[Wildabeast88]

Are you kidding me ? So we don't need to invest greater ? This season was an omen. Aiken being your top guy says it all. In fact I wouldn't be surprised to see two selected and two undrafted as additions to compete. We all know Browns done. Givens may not be resigned although I hope so on the cheap. Brown is a question mark. SSSr is a Question mark. Perriman is a…..

Flacco will give them some relief as he won't to be seen as has hindrance to winning. You can argue that we have tightends but they can't be the sole ave going forward with all the draft capital we have at our disposal.

we have other holes on the roster we have Periman I get he is a question mark if SSS comes back you know what you have there Aiken stepped up so if you added a Boyd you are set at your top 4 with Camp Butler as decent options as well as possibly Daniel Brown who I would like to see what he could do. we need pass rushers bad possibly a LT and some help in the secondary if we draft 2 WRs what do you do I get SSS is one more year even if he isn't as explosive he can still make the tough catches. but as poorly as the D played we need to address pass rush and secondary as well as a LB who could cover TEs and RBs I am just saying with what we have I think we can survive now next year if Perriman doesn't appear to get it I could understand doubling up however if we have concerns of that we should go get Treadwell with our 1st pick and get a legit 1 by the way we set a franchise record for passing yards this year with Aiken as a 1 for the second half of the season we could always rely on our 3 good young TEs as well

Edited January 15, 2016 by Wildabeast88

[thieverycorporation]

we have other holes on the roster we have Periman I get he is a question mark if SSS comes back you know what you have there Aiken stepped up so if you added a Boyd you are set at your top 4 with Camp Butler as decent options as well as possibly Daniel Brown who I would like to see what he could do. we need pass rushers bad possibly a LT and some help in the secondary if we draft 2 WRs what do you do I get SSS is one more year even if he isn't as explosive he can still make the tough catches. but as poorly as the D played we need to address pass rush and secondary as well as a LB who could cover TEs and RBs I am just saying with what we have I think we can survive now next year if Perriman doesn't appear to get it I could understand doubling up however if we have concerns of that we should go get Treadwell with our 1st pick and get a legit 1 by the way we set a franchise record for passing yards this year with Aiken as a 1 for the second half of the season we could always rely on our 3 good young TEs as well

I understand your concerns WB88. I'm not saying they aren'y valid. But to solely draft or acquire one wr is playing russian roulette. Smith sr can contribute sure but a lessen role. Aiken may have a standout year again but you can't bank on it. Perriman is still a rookie with no playing time so we don't know he's sound in any aspect. I believe a Boyd and a Shepard is what the doctor ordered. Campanaro has brittle traits and hasn't played a whole season anywhere. Butler made some plays here and there. Givens became a non factor but flashed as to get open. We can't afford to count on anybody and most turn over rock to find and solidify the wr corp. We have enough draft capital and cap space to address all the needs if they do it strategically. We aren't that far off the mark. I'd try for quadro in the draft 2 drafted and 2 un-drafted. If we able to move back then when are assured of getting excellent talent with high picks we already have. If Ozzie maneuvers around the board he should hit pay dirt. He can't just think that my guy is there so I'll stand pat and wait. That's why the draft gets picked apart because waits and wants to use every last pick. "We thought he was gonna be there and He got picked just before we had our pick". Being greedy with picks doesn't guarantee success. Being aggressive and knowing who you want negates the Cowboys and Pats of the world from jumping you and snagging who you wanted. Show some Beer nuts lol. How many picks do we currently own ? Answer = Enough. We need a cornerback that plays well -deep draft. Wide receiver deep draft. DE deep draft. line back deep draft. Everyone doesn't have to be a pro bowler and putting money into say Sean Smith at corner would help greatly. Everyone need not be drafted and the jettisoned payouts will help immensely in the immediate future. Dead money happens. But the wide receiver has been neglected for years and the onus is on the Ozzie and company to correct that horrible fact.

[Wildabeast88]

I understand your concerns WB88. I'm not saying they aren'y valid. But to solely draft or acquire one wr is playing russian roulette. Smith sr can contribute sure but a lessen role. Aiken may have a standout year again but you can't bank on it. Perriman is still a rookie with no playing time so we don't know he's sound in any aspect. I believe a Boyd and a Shepard is what the doctor ordered. Campanaro has brittle traits and hasn't played a whole season anywhere. Butler made some plays here and there. Givens became a non factor but flashed as to get open. We can't afford to count on anybody and most turn over rock to find and solidify the wr corp. We have enough draft capital and cap space to address all the needs if they do it strategically. We aren't that far off the mark. I'd try for quadro in the draft 2 drafted and 2 un-drafted. If we able to move back then when are assured of getting excellent talent with high picks we already have. If Ozzie maneuvers around the board he should hit pay dirt. He can't just think that my guy is there so I'll stand pat and wait. That's why the draft gets picked apart because waits and wants to use every last pick. "We thought he was gonna be there and He got picked just before we had our pick". Being greedy with picks doesn't guarantee success. Being aggressive and knowing who you want negates the Cowboys and Pats of the world from jumping you and snagging who you wanted. Show some Beer nuts lol. How many picks do we currently own ? Answer = Enough. We need a cornerback that plays well -deep draft. Wide receiver deep draft. DE deep draft. line back deep draft. Everyone doesn't have to be a pro bowler and putting money into say Sean Smith at corner would help greatly. Everyone need not be drafted and the jettisoned payouts will help immensely in the immediate future. Dead money happens. But the wide receiver has been neglected for years and the onus is on the Ozzie and company to correct that horrible fact.

I gotcha yes WR has been neglected badly I may feel differently based on projections we should have 2 4th and a 5th comp picks maybe bump back to 4th to get 2nd WR Robinson from Florida Miller from Ohio St while still slightly raw is a nice athlete and there are a few others but no earlier than WR in the 4th. as long as we get pass rusher CB WR for certain and possibly 2 pass rushers Suggs and Doom aren't getting any younger

[January J]

Okay went to look at Apple tape, and I have to say I don't see a first rounder except by potential. His Michigan State tape was disappointing to me, as Burbridge beat him all day. I think Tyler Boyd would be a better option for our 2nd. Ideally Buckner in the 1st, Boyd in 2nd, best available corner, Yannick, or Sterling Shepard in 3rd. Thoughts?

id be happy with Buckner , yannick in the second - Shepard in the third--Cyrus jones or Dahl in the 4th.

[thieverycorporation]

I gotcha yes WR has been neglected badly I may feel differently based on projections we should have 2 4th and a 5th comp picks maybe bump back to 4th to get 2nd WR Robinson from Florida Miller from Ohio St while still slightly raw is a nice athlete and there are a few others but no earlier than WR in the 4th. as long as we get pass rusher CB WR for certain and possibly 2 pass rushers Suggs and Doom aren't getting any younger

Does he have film and where can I find it. Sometimes I can't locate the guys film that a lot of posters like yourself. I'm always game to view un- knowns to me. I didn't have a chance to watch a lot of college ball this last season due to my work schedule. 

[Robbyrobbass]

Lol

[ravefan52]

Apple in the 2nd and Spence in the 3rd is pretty optimistic imp. It's possible, just saying I don't think they'll drop that far. Also Demarcus Robinson as the first and only offensive skill player we take would be a bit disappointing. I like Kirkland, but I'm not sure how he fits the ZBS.

[Wildabeast88]

Does he have film and where can I find it. Sometimes I can't locate the guys film that a lot of posters like yourself. I'm always game to view un- knowns to me. I didn't have a chance to watch a lot of college ball this last season due to my work schedule. 

draftbreakdown.com his va tech tape is really good amazing actually he did disappear at times I am an Ohio St fan so I watched all the games but for a first year WR being Big Ten player of the year 2 times as a QB he did well very athletic sometimes a bit raw good athlete sorry about taking awhile here its hard to find good tape sometimes

Edited January 17, 2016 by Wildabeast88

[thieverycorporation]

draftbreakdown.com his va tech tape is really good amazing actually he did disappear at times I am an Ohio St fan so I watched all the games but for a first year WR being Big Ten player of the year 2 times as a QB he did well very athletic sometimes a bit raw good athlete sorry about taking awhile here its hard to find good tape sometimes

No worries. Thanks for the info too. 

[thieverycorporation]

Lol

whatcha laughing @.