Ed Reed Hired as Asst. Coach in Buffalo (merged)

[sflegend89]

Freaking Rex... Why couldn't the bills fired him after missing the playoffs? Pretty weak

 

Rex will never hack it as a HC, when will these teams learn. Rex actually regressed from the 9-7 season Marrone put together in 2014 with arguably less talent to work with (Most notably at QB). In no way did Rex make any significant strides. I can think of so many coordinators around the league I would rather give a HC spot to over Rex. 

[PurpleLDN]

Woke up to this bad news. Blown coverages leading to big yardage and TDs in nearly every game this season; very much looking like we'll draft a DB highly and we don't even give Reed a call to come and school these guys. Missed opportunity that the Bills will benefit from. At least we'll get to see how this pans out up close when the Ravens play the Bills next season.

[Tatelli]

The one thing that ED/Ray would've brought to this team, is outside of drills and practice was the studying!! Which I think some of these players has lost sight of when it comes to individual performance.

 

There are many interviews where both said they would have people over their houses all day watching/discussing teams/players habits and formations. This is what I myself wanted ED/Ray to teach ...what it takes to play at the highest level.

 

Name me one player since ED/Ray has retired that has spoke of this? And I don't mean in the team meeting's.

Edited January 14, 2016 by Tatelli

[Purple_City39]

Maybe because he had such an impact on guys like Webb when they came into the league?

What about Cary Williams?  Dominque Foxworth, Fabian Washington, David Pittman, Derrick Martin, Corey Ivy, Asa Jackson, Chykie Brown?

 

Webb turned out well but but what about the many, and I mean many, other CBs that flopped here while Reed was with the team?

 

I actually would have been fine with Ed coming to Baltimore.  I'd have been excited to be more specific, but that's due to fan loyalty (first jersey I ever bought).  There's no guarantee he even wanted to come here.  He could have turned down an offer for all we know

[Tank 92]

What about Cary Williams?  Dominque Foxworth, Fabian Washington, David Pittman, Derrick Martin, Corey Ivy, Asa Jackson, Chykie Brown?

 

Webb turned out well but but what about the many, and I mean many, other CBs that flopped here while Reed was with the team?

 

I actually would have been fine with Ed coming to Baltimore.  I'd have been excited to be more specific, but that's due to fan loyalty (first jersey I ever bought).  There's no guarantee he even wanted to come here.  He could have turned down an offer for all we know

 

 

lol...... I remember when Ed commented that Chykie was a beast and his heir apparent.

 

And just to re quote for emphasis;

 

"I actually would have been fine with Ed coming to Baltimore.  I'd have been excited to be more specific, but that's due to fan loyalty (first jersey I ever bought).  There's no guarantee he even wanted to come here.  He could have turned down an offer for all we know."

[Edug27]

We all need to move on from the Lewis/Reed era. We will always have the memories, and the Super Bowl, and will continue to honor all of the legends during the season. But it's time to move on and focus on building the future rather than holding onto the past. Reed in Buffalo makes 10x more sense than Reed in Baltimore. 

[DenverRaven]

We all need to move on from the Lewis/Reed era. We will always have the memories, and the Super Bowl, and will continue to honor all of the legends during the season. But it's time to move on and focus on building the future rather than holding onto the past. Reed in Buffalo makes 10x more sense than Reed in Baltimore. 

 

Seriously. It's not a big deal. If the Ravens decide they want Reed back as a coach in a few years, then that is great. Otherwise, there's not reason to reach on him as a coach right now. Rex is against the wall and needs to do everything he can to retain a job up there. I hope Ed does great, and I wish him well, but I don't think having him back as a coach would be a smart move anytime soon. Nostalgia isn't the way to win games.

[52520Andrew]

What about Cary Williams? Dominque Foxworth, Fabian Washington, David Pittman, Derrick Martin, Corey Ivy, Asa Jackson, Chykie Brown?

Webb turned out well but but what about the many, and I mean many, other CBs that flopped here while Reed was with the team?

I actually would have been fine with Ed coming to Baltimore. I'd have been excited to be more specific, but that's due to fan loyalty (first jersey I ever bought). There's no guarantee he even wanted to come here. He could have turned down an offer for all we know

Was Reed their mentor? He definitely was Webb's. Also Cary Williams did pretty well for an UDFA and ended up getting signed to a nice contract when he left. Also hard to blame Reed for Chykie and Asa considering no one developed them including Austin. And again, blaming Reed for the development of every DB as opposed to the DB coaches would not be smart. Are we blaming Jimmy Smith if Tray Walker doesn't develop? If you can't prove that Reed took a particular interest in these guys then I could care less how they developed.

[atomicfront]

What a smack in the face this is to the entire Ravens organization. After this year of ineptitude, all I can do is sit here and laugh.

 

 

Yeah Harbaugh doens't know defense and doesn't know offense.  Hates the players who got him to the Super Bowl victory yet he is adored on here.  Reed should be coaching for the Ravens. 

[Purple_City39]

Was Reed their mentor? He definitely was Webb's. Also Cary Williams did pretty well for an UDFA and ended up getting signed to a nice contract when he left. Also hard to blame Reed for Chykie and Asa considering no one developed them including Austin. And again, blaming Reed for the development of every DB as opposed to the DB coaches would not be smart. Are we blaming Jimmy Smith if Tray Walker doesn't develop? If you can't prove that Reed took a particular interest in these guys then I could care less how they developed.

I never said Reed should be blamed for anybody actually.  I did however question your concept of giving him credit for mentor "guys" (plural) as you stated while listing Webb only.  Webb talked all the time about following Reed around asking him question.  I don't recall Ed ever saying he did anything besides answer Webb's questions but let's assume he did more.  Who else did he mentor/help?  

 

McAlister and Rolle were good before playing with Reed.  Jimmy admittedly tried to live off talent his first two seasons (Reed's last two).    If we're going by comments made, we'd have to assume he mentored Omar and Chykie Brown.  Reed said he seems himself in Omar and Chykie flat out said Ed was his mentor (links below).  How have their careers been?

 

https://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/article-1/Omar-Brown-Reminds-Ed-Reed-Of-Himself/299a8657-8a5a-40d5-9ad7-deb56c1148db

 

http://www.masnsports.com/ravens-buzz/2013/01/ed-reed-ill-be-playing-next-year.html

 

My point is not to discredit Ed.  I'm simply saying the outrage on him not coaching for Baltimore is incredibly premature as we have zero proof he'd even be a good coach.  Outside of homer bias, nothing in his past suggest he'd be a better coach than what we have now.  Let's hold back on the anger

[DenverRaven]

Yeah Harbaugh doens't know defense and doesn't know offense.  Hates the players who got him to the Super Bowl victory yet he is adored on here.  Reed should be coaching for the Ravens. 

 

Can't tell if sarcasm... or...? Harbaugh is one of the reasons we won the super bowl. He's the person who brought the team back from their mutiny, and coached this team on a wave of emotion to a Lombardi. He's the person who shifted the OL going into the playoffs, who called the safety to end it all. He's also out-coached Tomlin 8-3 in the last 11 meetings, made a run at NE with 19 starters on IR last year, and kept this team from going 2-14 this year.

 

The homerism over Reed is insane. I love the guy, but who knows if he'll be any good as a coach, and personally I couldn't care less to find out w/the Ravens on his first try.

[Willbacker]

Rex is putting it all on the line. Hiring his brother and now Ed.

[atomicfront]

Can't tell if sarcasm... or...? Harbaugh is one of the reasons we won the super bowl. He's the person who brought the team back from their mutiny, and coached this team on a wave of emotion to a Lombardi. He's the person who shifted the OL going into the playoffs, who called the safety to end it all. He's also out-coached Tomlin 8-3 in the last 11 meetings, made a run at NE with 19 starters on IR last year, and kept this team from going 2-14 this year.

 

The homerism over Reed is insane. I love the guy, but who knows if he'll be any good as a coach, and personally I couldn't care less to find out w/the Ravens on his first try.

 

Brought back the team from mutiny? If they practice with pads that week who knows if they win the super bowl.   Tomlin is an awful coach.  Everyone said Reed and Lewis spent a ton of time studying film during the week.  Reed always seemed to know what the opposing QB was doing.  You are giving Harbaugh credit for the team going 5-11?  Well than you would be happy with just about every coach who ever coached in the NFL.  As most can get a 5-11 season out of a team.

[DenverRaven]

Brought back the team from mutiny? If they practice with pads that week who knows if they win the super bowl.   Tomlin is an awful coach.  Everyone said Reed and Lewis spent a ton of time studying film during the week.  Reed always seemed to know what the opposing QB was doing.  You are giving Harbaugh credit for the team going 5-11?  Well than you would be happy with just about every coach who ever coached in the NFL.  As most can get a 5-11 season out of a team.

 

No, I gave him credit for much more than that. But, you refused to touch any of that because it's true. Who you rather be the coach of this team? What's your solution? Name that coach.

 

Also, what evidence do you have of Reed being a good coach outside of his time on the field? I'm glad I haven't lived in MD for 12 years and can see things a little more objectively. Some people on this board do nothing but complain about having one of the best coaches/franchises in the NFL. And everyone outside of the local area knows it. Ask Broncos/Pats fans what they think of Harbaugh, and no, not the internet trolls. Real fans.

[Tank 92]

I doubt there is any Ravens fan that hasn't wanted Ed Reed to be around Owings Mills in some capacity. But those same fans should know that Ed is his own man. My guess is the door always was, and always will be open for him, but he likes the idea of starting out with Rex. Good for him and I wish him the best of luck. 

[Daft Classic]

I'd rather we wait anyways for Ed to join the staff. He's still friends and played with some people in the secondary (Smith, Webb) so they may not listen to him as a coach as well. Plus we can let him refine his ability as a coach with the Bills who have a good, young secondary he can practice with. 

 

Side Note: I read somewhere Ed had his problems with Harbaugh, especially in 2012. Maybe we did offer him a DB spot and he doesn't wanna work under him? I can understand why he likes Rex so much, but that coaching staff is incredibly unstable. Ed may be in and out within a year

[52520Andrew]

I never said Reed should be blamed for anybody actually. I did however question your concept of giving him credit for mentor "guys" (plural) as you stated while listing Webb only. Webb talked all the time about following Reed around asking him question. I don't recall Ed ever saying he did anything besides answer Webb's questions but let's assume he did more. Who else did he mentor/help?

McAlister and Rolle were good before playing with Reed. Jimmy admittedly tried to live off talent his first two seasons (Reed's last two). If we're going by comments made, we'd have to assume he mentored Omar and Chykie Brown. Reed said he seems himself in Omar and Chykie flat out said Ed was his mentor (links below). How have their careers been?

https://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/article-1/Omar-Brown-Reminds-Ed-Reed-Of-Himself/299a8657-8a5a-40d5-9ad7-deb56c1148db

http://www.masnsports.com/ravens-buzz/2013/01/ed-reed-ill-be-playing-next-year.html

My point is not to discredit Ed. I'm simply saying the outrage on him not coaching for Baltimore is incredibly premature as we have zero proof he'd even be a good coach. Outside of homer bias, nothing in his past suggest he'd be a better coach than what we have now. Let's hold back on the anger

Right, you listed a bunch of DBs that didn't work out for us just to list them. Ok

Let's go over Omar Brown and Chykie Brown. One is a late pick, one is an UDFA. Both were under Reed for 2 years and were coached by Terrell Austin, a guy who is a pretty good coach and who a lot of people would love to have here as the DC.

Now for Webb, there are plenty of instances where they say Reed was his mentor, I'll find the links when I get home.

Ed Reed is one of the smartest football players ever. A guy with his intelligence and desire to coach more than likely will make a good coach. Our secondary is not very good. I think bringing him in as an assistant DB coach is not a hard thing to do and it coulf have a big pay off.

And Webb is moving to FS, Reed's old position. Are you saying you wouldn't be excited about Reed coming back and teaching Webb the nuances of the position? I mean there is no way Webb would turn into Reed but I am sure it would be huge for him transitioning to the position. Rex thought highly enough of Reed to bring him in.

[ZRayvenZ]

Yeah Harbaugh doens't know defense and doesn't know offense.  Hates the players who got him to the Super Bowl victory yet he is adored on here.  Reed should be coaching for the Ravens. 

Would be nice if he was a coach but Ed will never work for John Harbaugh.

[K-Dog]

Would be nice if he was a coach but Ed will never work for John Harbaugh.

Help me understand this.....

 

I saw a few people post something to this effect, I just would like to know if it is anything more than speculation. 

[FlackAttack]

Raven fans are so damn selfish and spoiled. SMH.

 

So happy for Ed, he'll have a great time up there in Buffalo. This is the beginning of a new era for that dude, and he'll learn A LOT up there in Buffalo with my boy Rex. I can see him being a solid DC within the next 10 years or so, reppin' Baltimore roots.

Edited January 15, 2016 by FlackAttack

[Purple_City39]

Right, you listed a bunch of DBs that didn't work out for us just to list them. Ok

Let's go over Omar Brown and Chykie Brown. One is a late pick, one is an UDFA. Both were under Reed for 2 years and were coached by Terrell Austin, a guy who is a pretty good coach and who a lot of people would love to have here as the DC.

Now for Webb, there are plenty of instances where they say Reed was his mentor, I'll find the links when I get home.

Ed Reed is one of the smartest football players ever. A guy with his intelligence and desire to coach more than likely will make a good coach. Our secondary is not very good. I think bringing him in as an assistant DB coach is not a hard thing to do and it coulf have a big pay off.

And Webb is moving to FS, Reed's old position. Are you saying you wouldn't be excited about Reed coming back and teaching Webb the nuances of the position? I mean there is no way Webb would turn into Reed but I am sure it would be huge for him transitioning to the position. Rex thought highly enough of Reed to bring him in.

So you countered nothing.  Gotcha.  So let's ignore all the other players.  Reed mentored 3, one turned out very good for one whole season.  The other 2 sucked.  BRING REED BACK BECAUSE OF THAT ONE!!!!!!

 

Again, and again, nobody know whether or not Reed even wanted to come back and play for the Baltimore.  This is a whole lot of unfounded anger.

[CalvinSmoke]

So you countered nothing. Gotcha. So let's ignore all the other players. Reed mentored 3, one turned out very good for one whole season. The other 2 sucked. BRING REED BACK BECAUSE OF THAT ONE!!!!!!

Again, and again, nobody know whether or not Reed even wanted to come back and play for the Baltimore. This is a whole lot of unfounded anger.

Tristan tho as. Was that the safeties name? Directly mentored for years there you go

[Purple_City39]

Tristan tho as. Was that the safeties name? Directly mentored for years there you go

Christian Thompson?  I forgot about him.

 

https://twitter.com/Ravens/status/196294071319412739

 

http://blogs.baltimoreravens.com/2012/05/06/s-christian-thompson-looking-to-learn-from-ed-reed/

 

So that's 4 players we know Reed mentored, and that ended up equaling one great season out of just one of them.  

[CalvinSmoke]

Christian Thompson? I forgot about him.

https://twitter.com/Ravens/status/196294071319412739

http://blogs.baltimoreravens.com/2012/05/06/s-christian-thompson-looking-to-learn-from-ed-reed/

So that's 4 players we know Reed mentored, and that ended up equaling one great season out of just one of them.

there he is, yea reed mentored him through college. Reed isn't perfect has a great mind but he's got some learning to do. Will probably be a very unorthodox coach.

[GrimCoconut]

Reed also mentored Rahim Moore.

[52520Andrew]

So you countered nothing. Gotcha. So let's ignore all the other players. Reed mentored 3, one turned out very good for one whole season. The other 2 sucked. BRING REED BACK BECAUSE OF THAT ONE!!!!!!

Again, and again, nobody know whether or not Reed even wanted to come back and play for the Baltimore. This is a whole lot of unfounded anger.

Guess Terrell Austin is a terrible secondary coach for not being able to coach up a late round pick and UDFA. And Thompson was another late pick that didn't work under Terrell Austin. But I don't think anyone goes out and says that he is a bad secondary coach now do they? Lets compare late picks to first rounders and pretend there is no difference.

And how exactly have our secondary picks worked out since Reed left? Elam? Brooks who was a higher pick than Webb? High picks that you expect to do well as opposed to some late picks that you hope make good depth. You really think our current secondary coaching is that good given what we have invested into the position recently and how far it has gotten us?

Jimmy is the only guy who has made strides since Reed left and he has been the highest pick we have invested in the position since I think Reed himself. And Hewitt, our current DBs coach, certainly wasn't the guy who got Jimmy Smith right. If we had no problems with our current secondary that would be one thing but besides Jimmy, we really don't have much and that includes Webb after his second ACL tear.

Not every coach hits on every single player. A guy who does a good job with the guy you are transitioning to another position may be worth bringing back to help them out for that reason alone. The added bonus of maybe being an actual good assistant DB coach may just be worth it. Upside outweighs the risk of there even is any.

We don't know what Reed has to say on it but I think there is a pretty damn high chance that he would have come back here. I mean he did retire a Raven. If he thought more highly of Rex than the Ravens why not stay retired as a Jet under Rex? Or better yet retire as a Bill since Rex means so much to him that he would follow him there.

[52520Andrew]

Reed also mentored Rahim Moore.

Guy who did a pretty decent job in Denver outside one big mistake. Certainly better than what we have seen from Elam and Brooks.

[mg90]

He's not with a rival or the Patriots. I hope he helps the Bills to a division title.

Edited January 15, 2016 by DraiNBamagE

[Dr. Kelley]

Lol so you knowitalls. Our franchise didn't believe in what we had because we brought other coaches in. Good call in keeping Hewitt and loosing out on reed. When our defense sucks again ....

[rmcjacket23]

Lol so you knowitalls. Our franchise didn't believe in what we had because we brought other coaches in. Good call in keeping Hewitt and loosing out on reed. When our defense sucks again ....

And when the Bills secondary sucks again I'm sure the fans will blame Ed Reed for it....or not.

But you are right...glorified interns always have a profound effect on a football team...

Edited January 17, 2016 by rmcjacket23