KDUBB44 Mock Draft

[hn68wb4]

I just don't see Fisher dealing with the Ravens at all AND I think Carson Wentz's name will be coming into play. He will most likely be available at 15

Wentz is a reach anywhere in the first. Small school guy that needs development. He's going into a Garappolo/Grayson role in the pros. Some team that must groom a guy to eventually take over will take him, i.e. the Cardinals, after the countless times these kinds of guys have been reached for - Manuel, Gabbert, Ponder - teams are starting to learn. There are only two guys that should go in the first.

[Wildabeast88]

Wentz is a reach anywhere in the first. Small school guy that needs development. He's going into a Garappolo/Grayson role in the pros. Some team that must groom a guy to eventually take over will take him, i.e. the Cardinals, after the countless times these kinds of guys have been reached for - Manuel, Gabbert, Ponder - teams are starting to learn. There are only two guys that should go in the first.

actually his NFL comp is Flacco is what most scouts say so I would say mid 1st is about right for him mark this Wentz will go in the 1st and he is much better than all the guys you mentioned by far

[edthehead]

6 to 16, and leapfrogging SF, would get us next years first and this years 2nd probably. 

 

the question that begs to be asked here is... when we call SF and tell them that the rams are giving a first and 2nd to take goff or lynch... would they match value and let us get our top guy while STILL getting a first next year?

this has been my thoughts all along, what ever teams offer us then let the rams know.

we will have 1 shot at this. I really think hue jackson goes with Bosa, and draft a QB in the 2nd/3rd. He will get a vet QB.

OZ will get many picks to work his magic. 

[hn68wb4]

actually his NFL comp is Flacco is what most scouts say so I would say mid 1st is about right for him mark this Wentz will go in the 1st and he is much better than all the guys you mentioned by far

NFL comparisons are irrelevant, every player magically looks alot like good NFL players, but that's in college. Just look through the years of NFL comparisons and they are never correct, they are fanfare, they don't ever actually mean anything because players rarely look the same in the pros as they did in college.

 

"Wentz will go in the 1st and he is much better than all the guys you mentioned so far"

based on what? We can all look back and see that the three guys I mentioned didn't work out but all three were good in college just like Wentz. I would say he won't go in the 1st because he isn't a starting caliber player, he's a project, he's a guy that's got the tools but still needs work before he could even attempt a starting job.

Edited January 13, 2016 by hn68wb4

[KDUBB44]

Fisher is going to be fighting for his job not to mention he'll be under tremendous pressure to find a franchise QB. Wasn't there a report that said he passed on a first for Foles? If its true that sounds like a horrible move. This is make-or-break year for him, if he wants to keep his job he should care less about his "beef" with Harbaugh and focus on his team.

There's been some media frenzy about Fisher's overall career record and he's been Mediocre to say the least. I think the Browns will take a QB and if Goff/Lynch is available at 6 someone will get desperate.

[Wildabeast88]

NFL comparisons are irrelevant, every player magically looks alot like good NFL players, but that's in college. Just look through the years of NFL comparisons and they are never correct, they are fanfare, they don't ever actually mean anything because players rarely look the same in the pros as they did in college.

 

"Wentz will go in the 1st and he is much better than all the guys you mentioned so far"

based on what? We can all look back and see that the three guys I mentioned didn't work out but all three were good in college just like Wentz. I would say he won't go in the 1st because he isn't a starting caliber player, he's a project, he's a guy that's got the tools but still needs work before he could even attempt a starting job.

Christian Ponder was awful in college EJ Manel was grossly overrated Gabbert had 1 decent year in a conference that doesn't play defense Garapollo was good but not taking Brady's job. All I'm saying is Wentz has protypical size the scouts love 6'6 230 pounds with a strong arm and is an underrated athlete from and FCS school does the scouting report sound familiar watch the Senior Bowl and that is what you will hear reminds me of Joe Flacco

[GrimCoconut]

Don't think we'll be doing business with the Rams, Harbaugh and Fisher have a little beef.

Harbaugh and Fisher aren't the GMs and even if they are, give me an instance where two teams refuse to trade with one another? Inter-divisional trades are rare but even those happen. Desperate teams will make trades regardless.

[GrimCoconut]

Wentz is a reach anywhere in the first. Small school guy that needs development. He's going into a Garappolo/Grayson role in the pros. Some team that must groom a guy to eventually take over will take him, i.e. the Cardinals, after the countless times these kinds of guys have been reached for - Manuel, Gabbert, Ponder - teams are starting to learn. There are only two guys that should go in the first.

Not saying I think he's a first round pick or not, but I'm recall similar sentiments surrounding our Joe Flacco.

[GrimCoconut]

I'm not liking the trade back unless I missed something. I think it'll take another first round pick for that deal to be a good one for me. We're missing out on a top 5 prospect due to this trade. How's that? Because QB isn't on our board that high.

I like Robinson a ton, though, but there's things that concern me too.

[52520Andrew]

Harbaugh and Fisher aren't the GMs and even if they are, give me an instance where two teams refuse to trade with one another? Inter-divisional trades are rare but even those happen. Desperate teams will make trades regardless.

 

Heck we traded up one spot with the Browns to get Ngata.

 

I think the Rams would trade with us if they wanted to although whether they see anyone worth trading up for is going to be the question

[Inqui]

Heck we traded up one spot with the Browns to get Ngata.

 

I think the Rams would trade with us if they wanted to although whether they see anyone worth trading up for is going to be the question

New franchise in a new city - they're going to want to make a splash early on and a shiny new QB is as effective a way to do that as any.

[KDUBB44]

I'm not liking the trade back unless I missed something. I think it'll take another first round pick for that deal to be a good one for me. We're missing out on a top 5 prospect due to this trade. How's that? Because QB isn't on our board that high.

I like Robinson a ton, though, but there's things that concern me too.

What? So you would be opposed to trading a pick for potentially 3-5 picks? I don't see anyone in this draft being a franchise changer

[GrimCoconut]

What? So you would be opposed to trading a pick for potentially 3-5 picks? I don't see anyone in this draft being a franchise changer

I don't see the value in getting 3-5 picks in a weak draft. If we made a trade where we acquired their 15th overall pick as well as their 2017 1st round pick, and another selection, possibly the 3rd or 2nd round in this year's draft, I'm down. I'm all for it, even. I would rather have a high pick next year than this year because I'm frankly just not that impressed this year. In this way I admire greatly what the Patriots did when they acquired their two first round picks & continuously traded one & sent the other to the next draft. This allowed them to pull the trigger when they were ready, which happened to be when they selected Chandler Jones & Hightower. That Jones pick was especially elite. 

 

I think there are definitely franchise game changers in this draft. There's never been a draft without one of them. Even the 2013 Draft, which was one of the worst in recent memory, had some game changers in it. 

 

Just what picks do you think we will get? I got a little confused with all the numbers earlier so maybe I misunderstand your sense of value here. 

[KDUBB44]

I don't see the value in getting 3-5 picks in a weak draft. If we made a trade where we acquired their 15th overall pick as well as their 2017 1st round pick, and another selection, possibly the 3rd or 2nd round in this year's draft, I'm down. I'm all for it, even. I would rather have a high pick next year than this year because I'm frankly just not that impressed this year. In this way I admire greatly what the Patriots did when they acquired their two first round picks & continuously traded one & sent the other to the next draft. This allowed them to pull the trigger when they were ready, which happened to be when they selected Chandler Jones & Hightower. That Jones pick was especially elite. 

 

I think there are definitely franchise game changers in this draft. There's never been a draft without one of them. Even the 2013 Draft, which was one of the worst in recent memory, had some game changers in it. 

 

Just what picks do you think we will get? I got a little confused with all the numbers earlier so maybe I misunderstand your sense of value here. 

It's more of a numbers game. Forget value, If we could get 3-5 picks for the 6th I'll take it. Let's not forget that this season we were plagued by injuries and poor playing. We're probably the most stocked with talent in the top 10 teams. Having 3-5 additional players compared to one can play a huge role in depth.

[nishadrahman13]

1.Titans-Laremy Tunsil

Protection for Mariota

2. Browns- Jared Goff

I don't think Goff should be going #2 but no way in Hell Cleveland starts next year with Manziel and/or McCown.

3. Chargers-Joey Bosa

BPA and Pass Rushing issues solved

4. Cowboys-Myles Jack

I think this is a toss up between Treadwell and Jack. If Jones was drafting 5 years ago it'd be Treadwell. But recently he's been drafting logically, So I'd go with Mack.

5. Jaguars-Jalen Ramsey

Playmaking Corner and Position need=Check

6. *Trade*-Rams-Paxton Lynch

Wait we passed on Treadwell and Stanley??? Rams are moving to LA. No way they are starting next year with Foles/Davis as their qb. They'll want to snatch Lynch before SF and I think we can make them overpay in this situation.

7. 49ers-Ronnie Stanley

Stanley can play at RT

8. Dolphins- Vernon Hargreaves III

Miami needs help at corner

9. Bucaneers- Deforest Buckner

D-line help

10. Giants-Laquon Treadwell

Cruz is not coming back from that injury

11. Bears-Reggie Ragland

It seems that the Bears have been hurting for LB's for years.

12. Saints-Mackensie Alexander

Horrible Pass D last year

13. Eagles-Shaq Lawson

I had trouble with this pick, but I think Lawson is solid value at this point

14. Raiders-Robert Nkemdiche

D-line help

15. Ravens-A'Shawn Robinson

Not a popular pick, but Ozzie loves Bama players and I don't think he'll pass Robinson at this value. 

16. Lions- Taylor Decker

Stafford could use some blocking

17. Falcons- Emmanuel Ogbah

A DE for ATL who can rush the qb

18. Colts-Jack Conklin

Luck needs some protection

19. Bills- Carson Wentz

Taylor isn't the answer

20. Jets- Ezekiel Elliot

I think Chris Ivory is extremely overrated. He tends to break down as the season progresses. 

21. Redskins- Jarran Reed

D-line help

22. Texans- Connor Cook

Texans are pretty desperate....

23. Vikings- Corey Coleman

Hey look a WR for Teddy..

24. Bengals-Jayron Kearse

Cincy has two FA safeties

25. Steelers- Eli Apple

CB help for the Steelers

26. Seahawks- Shon Coleman

Wilson needs some protection

27. Packers- Germain Ifedi

^

28.Chiefs- Cody Whitehair

Guard help for Chiefs

29. Broncos- Hunter Henry

Future TE for Broncos

30. Cardinals- Leonard Floyd

Pass Rusher for AZ

31. Panthers- Jonathan Allen

Pass Rusher for Car

If Buckner is available, I am sprinting to the podium. Unless the 49ers get desperate for Paxton Lynch by us threatening to trade with the Rams, thus allowing us to drop just one spot, get a 2017 pick, and still get the player we want in Buckner.

[PurpleCity5]

There's been some media frenzy about Fisher's overall career record and he's been Mediocre to say the least. I think the Browns will take a QB and if Goff/Lynch is available at 6 someone will get desperate.

Don't know about how much power Jeff Fisher has but I do know he has some say in the Rams personnel. In all honesty I don't think a little beef with Harbaugh would stop him in inquiring to us for a trade. It would be a quick way for him to get fired.

[Drew P]

Wentz is a reach anywhere in the first. Small school guy that needs development. He's going into a Garappolo/Grayson role in the pros. Some team that must groom a guy to eventually take over will take him, i.e. the Cardinals, after the countless times these kinds of guys have been reached for - Manuel, Gabbert, Ponder - teams are starting to learn. There are only two guys that should go in the first.

 

Sounds like you described Flacco's scouting report.

[Wildabeast88]

Sounds like you described Flacco's scouting report.

Just wanted to make sure I wasn't the only person

[KDUBB44]

http://www.baltimorebeatdown.com/2016/1/13/10756120/baltimore-ravens-and-st-louis-rams-pick-a-trade-down-option

[January J]

http://www.baltimorebeatdown.com/2016/1/13/10756120/baltimore-ravens-and-st-louis-rams-pick-a-trade-down-option

nice.

Of all those scenarios...I think I like this one the best:

Option 3- Ravens 2nd round pick plus 3rd round pick

The Ravens 3rd rounder combined with their own 2nd would get them as high as 22nd overall (780 points).

The Ravens would end up with #15, #22, and #43 picks instead of #6, #36, and #70.

Two first round picks and a second ? Shoot sign me up..

Although I think a lot of this sounds like pie in the sky. I think it's very likely that we will stand pat and may not be able to find a trading partner anyway.

[GrimCoconut]

http://www.baltimorebeatdown.com/2016/1/13/10756120/baltimore-ravens-and-st-louis-rams-pick-a-trade-down-option

Hmm. I may have to say it wouldn't be a bad idea to trade back. I think it all depends on who's there, though. Bosa & Tunsil I'd take if they're there without a second thought. I'd probably trade back outside of them of the deal is worth it. I actually think there's a good chance we can have Bosa.

[GrimCoconut]

nice.

Of all those scenarios...I think I like this one the best:

Option 3- Ravens 2nd round pick plus 3rd round pick

The Ravens 3rd rounder combined with their own 2nd would get them as high as 22nd overall (780 points).

The Ravens would end up with #15, #22, and #43 picks instead of #6, #36, and #70.

Two first round picks and a second ? Shoot sign me up..

Although I think a lot of this sounds like pie in the sky. I think it's very likely that we will stand pat and may not be able to find a trading partner anyway.

I may have missed it but we can trade back up from #15 as well. It's not like we must pick there.

I'm not sure anyone will want to trade up, but if they did then I'd consider it for the right deal if Bosa and Tunsil were gone.

[January J]

I may have missed it but we can trade back up from #15 as well. It's not like we must pick there.

I'm not sure anyone will want to trade up, but if they did then I'd consider it for the right deal if Bosa and Tunsil were gone.

absolutely. And your right, we could fall back to 15 for the Rams 2 2nd round picks..use one of them and move back to 12 and grab treadwell. Then we would STILL have two seconds. Not sure if that's the most plausible scenario but there are so many different things that could happen. I can't wait.

[GrimCoconut]

absolutely. And your right, we could fall back to 15 for the Rams 2 2nd round picks..use one of them and move back to 12 and grab treadwell. Then we would STILL have two seconds. Not sure if that's the most plausible scenario but there are so many different things that could happen. I can't wait.

Or we could even stand pat and take three second round picks and get something like Boyd, Ngakoue, Spence, & Bell with our three seconds and our third. I'm going with the high on Spence's stock, btw. I think he'll be early second to early third.

[January J]

Or we could even stand pat and take three second round picks and get something like Boyd, Ngakoue, Spence, & Bell with our three seconds and our third. I'm going with the high on Spence's stock, btw. I think he'll be early second to early third.

just stop it, im gettin too excited thinking about the possibilities.

Who do you think we would take or be available at 15 though? Alexander? I like the sound of Alexander- Boyd -and Yannick in the first two rounds. That's 3 needs taken care of right off the bat. Then we could go ILB or Thompson in the third and maybe Dahl and Cyrus jones in the 4th and 5th.

[KDUBB44]

Hmm. I may have to say it wouldn't be a bad idea to trade back. I think it all depends on who's there, though. Bosa & Tunsil I'd take if they're there without a second thought. I'd probably trade back outside of them of the deal is worth it. I actually think there's a good chance we can have Bosa.

I don't see Bosa getting past SD

[GrimCoconut]

I don't see Bosa getting past SD

I wish I had money every time I heard someone say this. Not trying to be a jerk but teams have surprised even the best analysts and it's still very early in the draft process to make such premature projections with certainty.

I think it's certainly possible. It all depends on many factors as of yet undecided. Free agency, combine, all star games and stupid decisions by these prospects will shape the top picks and subsequently the latter ones.

[GrimCoconut]

just stop it, im gettin too excited thinking about the possibilities.

Who do you think we would take or be available at 15 though? Alexander? I like the sound of Alexander- Boyd -and Yannick in the first two rounds. That's 3 needs taken care of right off the bat. Then we could go ILB or Thompson in the third and maybe Dahl and Cyrus jones in the 4th and 5th.

Alexander is tough to project but I do think it's possible. I think one of Ramsey, Hargreaves and Alexander make it to us if we traded back.

[Wildabeast88]

Or we could even stand pat and take three second round picks and get something like Boyd, Ngakoue, Spence, & Bell with our three seconds and our third. I'm going with the high on Spence's stock, btw. I think he'll be early second to early third.

I would do backflips all the way to Baltimore that would be the perfect draft 2 pass rushers a WR and a S