Evaluating the Baltimore Ravens biggest need overall: "Playmaker"

[PurpleCity5]

With the OLB and CB positions being the biggest vocal point, I feel that one position that must be addressed that isn't a true position on the depth chart but on the Football field is none other than playmaker. While it is true that we do need OLBs, CB, WR and OT, I feel that we need a playmaker more than any of these positions. Playmakers can be found at OLB, CB, and WR. They are tough to come by at OLB and much more prevalent at WR than CB. 

 

When I look at the offensive side of the ball, I realistically see only one playmaker, and that's Steve Smith Sr., our guy who is only sticking around for one more year. I think we can all agree that WR is a pretty big need, not just for now but for the future as well. Kamar Aiken is a guy who racks YAC's, but he hasn't changed the entire complexity of the game in one play. Breshad Perriman is an unknown and while the playmaking potential is huge with his size and speed, we still need to see what he can do, after that, the well is dry...

 

Then you look at the defensive side of the ball, take a guess where we were ranked this year in takeaways.....

 

32 out of 32, we had a league low 6 INTs in the whole season. That's not going to get the job down, that's awful. That's half of the amount we had last season which is 12. To put that into greater perspective, teams ranked in the bottom five in takeaways were the Baltimore Ravens, Dallas Cowboys, Chicago Bears, New Orleans Saints, and the San Francisco 49ers, three of those five are picking in the top 10, while the other two are in the top 15 of the draft order. Now the top 5 teams in takeaways were the Carolina Panthers, Kansas City Chiefs, Cincinnati Bengals, The Arizona Cardinals, and the New York Jets. Four of out those five teams had 12+ wins, while the odd man out(NYJ) barely missed the postseason. I do believe that in terms of defensive efficiency and performance, getting turnovers makes or breaks your defense. 

 

 

Now, the easy solution to this is simple, draft a CB. I don't believe it is. Why? Simply because not all CBs are playmakers. I mean just look at our CBs, this season and the last, forcing turnovers has been a problem for them. When finding a CB, playmaking ability is something that I would heavily evaluate. 

 

 

We have a foundation on the offensive line, a running game that at its best can compete with the best in the league and a franchise QB. That's pretty much everything Cincinnati and Pittsburgh has, but why do they move the ball seemingly at will this year while we struggle to do so at times? Now you may argue, "Hey PC, our offense was ranked in the top 10 when Joe Flacco was healthy!" Yes, but he threw 14 TDs, while throwing 12 INTs threw 10 games, and while we were ranked in the top 10, our QB threw 12 INTs through out the entire 16 game season last year when our offense ranked 12th in the league. Ask yourself, which offense was better, the offense of this year, or last year? I feel strongly that the missing element in our offense is at playmaker. 

 

Look at what A.J Greene does to us, one thing I noticed about AJ Green of the field is that he's like a hawk. He just seemingly attacks at the most random time. Like, you don't even see it coming, it just happens. We have tried HARD to stop him in each game we play the Bengals and so many times we have failed. For example, two years ago in the week 17 finale, AJ was held in check for the whole first QTR, then all of the sudden with 27 seconds left in the 1st, he gets behind the defense for a 53 yard TD, week one of the 2014 season, we are up, 5 minutes left in the 4th QTR and once again AJ Green is held in check and once again he gets behind our defense for the 77 Yard game winning TD, a play that decided the game. Next season, week three, we didn't even try to cover him and he completely took over. 

 

I brought up AJ Green simply because he is a great example of what we are missing on this offense and what has killed our defense. Our own GM Ozzie Newsome even brought him up in the press conference detailing that A.J's one or two plays changed the games between the Ravens and the Bengals. 

 

Now, lets look at the list of guys that would be classified as proven playmakers in this upcoming draft:

 

• Laquan Treadwell
• Joey Bosa
• Vernon Hargreaves
• Vonn Bell
• Darian Thompson
• Ezekiel Elliot
• Corey Coleman

This is not the full list, but these are the guys I feel are the cream of the crop when it comes to making big plays. Now, out of these guys, three of them will be an option for us, Laquan Treadwell, Joey Bosa, and Vernon Hargreaves, now add two more CBs who will get heavy consideration in Jalen Ramsey and McKenzie Alexander. You got five guys, I think we can all agree that Bosa would easily be the pick here, but lets leave him out for the sake of this thread. Now you're left with Laquan Treadwell, Vernon Hargreaves, Jalen Ramsey and McKensie Alexander. With Hargreaves being the playmaker, we will eliminate him. Now you're left with Laquan Treadwell, Jalen Ramsey, and McKensie Alexander. Neither of the two CBs are playmakers, or at least haven't proven to be. Doesn't mean they will never be one, just have not proven it yet. Ramsey as a CB has logged 0 INTs and I believe against Tennessee he dropped two INTs, so I can't say he is one right now.

 

So with that in mind, if you had to choose between the three who would you pick? Treadwell, Ramsey, or Alexander? Keep in mind that we need a #2 CB very badly opposite of Jimmy Smith while we also need a game changing WR. While its easy to elevate the need of CB over WR, think about this, we lost our first 7 games in crunch time, so you have to ask yourself, what if our WRs made one or two more plays, would it have changed the way our games went? Would we have started our 1-6, or .500? While Ramsey and Alexander would provide of boost to our secondary and maybe get our pass defense to top 10, they might offer very little in game changing plays. While Treadwell would be that #1 WR we have been looking for and making plays for us when it mattered most. It's a tough one for me personally, I like these three but I think my guy is going to be the one who will change the complexity of the entire game and the one who makes the biggest difference. 

 

I guess you can name this one, the Playmakers thread... 

[CalvinSmoke]

Will Hill is our playmaker on defense. It's always him

[January J]

very good post. I too think our first pick will come down to those 5 guys. Lt is definitely a need, but the more I think about it I think Ozzie will stand pat and be comfortable going into the season with monroe. Either that or we cut Monroe and retain KO. A guy like Dahl can be had in the latter rounds, and like you said , the need for a playmaker is huge. If Tunsil falls that's a different story, and I do think Ozzie will like stanley, but he Will feel the pressure for a playmaker. Everybody says Ramsey is best known as a playmaker..But like you said he doesn't have any interceptions- something we drastically need. I hear your argument about our close games and how a play making receiver could have made the difference with one or two plays..But the other side of that is if we had a play making cb that created some turnovers , some of those games may not have even gotten to that point. Unfortunately there really are no ballhawking cbs that have enough value to be taken at 6. And as much as I like the idea of a shut down corner opposite jimmy..I think one can be had in the later rounds. Just using the process of elimination - all signs just keep pointing back to treadwell. Add in the fact that trestman is running the offense now and his love for big receivers, along with the uncertainty of perriman and I think it becomes even more clear. Trestman will probably try to use the duo similar to how he used Jeffrey and marshall. Not to mention the fact that Treadwell probably can still be had even after trading back a few spots. That just has to be the best case scenario in my mind- and it will give us the ammunition for more playmakers in the later rounds..while immediately giving a boost to our offense and giving Joe another big bodied receiver to pair with Perriman. The only better alternative in my mind is if bosa fell to us - in which we would have to pounce. Fortunately the Treadwell scenario is much more likely..and one we should take advantage of to keep up with our rivals in the north.

Edited January 13, 2016 by Moderator 3
Have a heart

[usmccharles]

I completely agree.  I posted something simliar in another thread after going back and watching our SB run and to me, one player really stood out.  Its easy to bring up Boldin with his great hands and strength, out muscling dudes and catching TDs in double coverage.  Or Jacoby with his amazing return skills and he actually had some crucial catches for us outside of the Miracle at Mile HIgh.  Theres one guy to me...and thats Ray Rice. 

 

Some people here are satisfied with Buck Allen and LT going forward and i just am not there yet, i see Allen as a Chris Ivory type.  RR was amazing in the open field, standing 5'8 215lbs he was a more agile MJD imo and to me was our playmaker through that epic run.  Obviously everyone remembers 4th and 29, but there so many other plays throughout the year he made that showed his ability to create something out of nothing.  Up until his injury he was one of the top backs in the league every year and i was prolly one of the few that didnt mind signing him to that contract. 

 

I dont follow college much so im not sure if there are any RBs out there that filt the bill of a workhorse playmaker like RR was, there was one guy i brought up in a thread but i forgot his name, he wont be coming out till next year, i think it was Perine or something, i liked what i saw from him. 

 

What made our SB run so great though was all the playmakers we had ie Boldin, Jacoby, RR, Sizz, Ngata...it will be hard to find such a well rounded team again but i think we are headed in the right direction, we are a young team.  I would really like to add a young WR weapon for Joe, i know most want defense, but you win with offense mostly now in this league with all the one-sided rules.  To me Ramsey is a walking 15 yard penalty flag....although he will be a game changer, he just reminds me of Pollard so much. 
 

I want Judge Tread. 

[KDUBB44]

Jalen Ramsey not on your list? I do not understand why people on here hate Ramsey on here. He was FSU's defense last year

[Winchester]

Completely agree!! Playmaking go to receiver is not only the #1 team need but it is the one lone position that a franchise player at could catapult as much as an 8 game swing and 13 or more wins!! BECAUSE the ravens have everything else any team could want on offense!! Except a #1 go to receiver. The ravens have a strong armed accurate qb who competes hard. A bruising overpowering offensive line yet with athleticism to zone block and keep the opposing team fearful and unfocused. If a defensive line is fearing the OLine then the players are not focusing on tackling the ball carrier or chasing the qb. The ravens have complimentary pieces in TE's. And Maxx will step up big time next year because he will play so much faster. He will be a stronger blocker as well. Campanaro will likely play pretty much injury free next year. He is on a very intense scientific new age training program. It will help him absorb Hits as well as a stronger and faster player. Not that Campanaro needs to much more speed. He is already explosive with an impressive extra gear as well as sudden fluid and shifty. He has very underrated athletic ball skills to attack throws. He has the potential to be the top slot in the NFL. He is more explosive than Edelman and has far better outside the numbers athletic ball skills than Edelman. Pro day Perriman has big time deep speed as well as suddenness and fluidity in his cuts and breaks and explodes out of breaks like a smaller receiver. He also has special ball skills to highpoint and win contested throws. He will at least replace Torrey. What I do not like is his iq and savvy for being a receivers son. His injury could return or get worse and it asks if he regains his speed and explosion. But if he returns to form he is at least a deep threat with playmaking skills. SS at 37 and Aiken make up the back end of the playmakers. SS can make clutch catches as could Aiken as he will be a favorable matchup going against the #4 cornerback. All that leaves is a #1 consistent go to playmaker to set the table for the rest of playmakers. And take advantage of the attention given to the #1 to run various schemes and set up the defense. With a legit #1 receiver the 2TE set will be money all day!! If the ravens run the ball the defense will not stack the box because of the playmakers and receiving skills of the TEs. With playmaking receivers and TEs that are are good receivers including Maxx who will be like a big receiver the ravens will have considerable firepower from the formation if the defense stacks the box for the run. From 3 receiver sets Campanaro Tread and pro day will pose a challenge to defenses. And while the defenses are spread out to contain the playmakers the ravens have a bruising overpowering athletic Oline as well as TEs that block well for big run plays while the defense is spread out. The ravens could really mix run and throws for consistent successful plays to sustain drives or hit big plays. A defensive back will not make the defense anywhere near dominant. No defense is consistently dominant!! Every team including the most vaunted defenses have to win some shootouts. If your offense can not win a shootout then it can not win a championship. It is the modern day NFL and that is how the league wants it!! High scoring. With a couple receivers returning the ravens offense could take the league by storm like the rams when vermeil acquired Fsulk and drafted a #1 receiver and Warner blasted on the scene. The ravens offense could make a similar jump!! The ravens have Campanaro and Perriman returning as well as Joe Cool after an offseason of hard work and adjusting to the same coordinator for a change. And drafting a #1 receiver as well as an overpowering offensive line acclimating as a unit together. A prolific offense as well combined with a dominating overpowering yet athletic offensive Line is unprecedented in the league. KO is unique at guard or tackle. Not many left tackles are violent overpowering mailers. Not many 330 LB guards are as athletic as most of the left tackles in the league. Whether KO or Jensen plays left guard the ravens will have a guard tandem that could play tackle. KO can play left tackle very well and Jensen could play RT in a pinch. And Urschel is unusually violent and overpowering for a center!! The ravens have the necessary players to use a #1 receiver and put the power of the sports car to the pavement. In my opinion no playmaker makes the team dominant to the degree a #1 receiver would. If the offense makes a couple more plays the defense would not have allowed the opposing teams to take a lead in the games the ravens lost the lead late. The OLine will be at least top3 with a legit opportunity to be the best in the league. Wagner looked really good the last couple games. It is a glimpse that when injury free he will return to his 2014 form!! May as well cut Monroe and save the all the cap money it can.

Edited January 13, 2016 by Winchester

[usmccharles]

Completely agree!!

Mr Winchester sir, i sometimes enjoy reading your posts, but i would enjoy them much more if you could use paragraphs.  Its easier to respond to your thoughts that way. 

[Wildabeast88]

I completely agree. I posted something simliar in another thread after going back and watching our SB run and to me, one player really stood out. Its easy to bring up Boldin with his great hands and strength, out muscling dudes and catching TDs in double coverage. Or Jacoby with his amazing return skills and he actually had some crucial catches for us outside of the Miracle at Mile HIgh. Theres one guy to me...and thats Ray Rice.

Some people here are satisfied with Buck Allen and LT going forward and i just am not there yet, i see Allen as a Chris Ivory type. RR was amazing in the open field, standing 5'8 215lbs he was a more agile MJD imo and to me was our playmaker through that epic run. Obviously everyone remembers 4th and 29, but there so many other plays throughout the year he made that showed his ability to create something out of nothing. Up until his injury he was one of the top backs in the league every year and i was prolly one of the few that didnt mind signing him to that contract.

I dont follow college much so im not sure if there are any RBs out there that filt the bill of a workhorse playmaker like RR was, there was one guy i brought up in a thread but i forgot his name, he wont be coming out till next year, i think it was Perine or something, i liked what i saw from him.

What made our SB run so great though was all the playmakers we had ie Boldin, Jacoby, RR, Sizz, Ngata...it will be hard to find such a well rounded team again but i think we are headed in the right direction, we are a young team. I would really like to add a young WR weapon for Joe, i know most want defense, but you win with offense mostly now in this league with all the one-sided rules. To me Ramsey is a walking 15 yard penalty flag....although he will be a game changer, he just reminds me of Pollard so much.

I want Judge Tread.

best RB is Ezekiel Elliott from Ohio St to me he is like Gurley if you want a RB Edited January 13, 2016 by Wildabeast88

[Baltimore RAYvens]

I think a guy that gets looked over a lot on the forums is Corey Coleman. Everyone is very public about his drive to win at everything he does, and you can see in his instinct as a competitor.

 

I think the terms playmaker and vocal leaders get mixed up and used interchangeably when in my mind they are very different. I think the latter is what this team really needs which is why Jalen Ramsey is a guy that a lot of people will talk about up until the draft. When we had Ray Lewis and Ed Reed on defense our team was great, we made average defensive players look great. This wasn't just because we had playmakers (which we certainly had more of and are lacking), but it was because we had those guys as vocal leaders on our team that could get the guys fired up and ready to play at 150% of their talent level. We need someone out on the field to motivate our guys.

 

I believe the guy Charles is referring to is the RB from Oklahoma St., Samaje Perine.

[Wildabeast88]

I think a guy that gets looked over a lot on the forums is Corey Coleman. Everyone is very public about his drive to win at everything he does, and you can see in his instinct as a competitor.

 

I think the terms playmaker and vocal leaders get mixed up and used interchangeably when in my mind they are very different. I think the latter is what this team really needs which is why Jalen Ramsey is a guy that a lot of people will talk about up until the draft. When we had Ray Lewis and Ed Reed on defense our team was great, we made average defensive players look great. This wasn't just because we had playmakers (which we certainly had more of and are lacking), but it was because we had those guys as vocal leaders on our team that could get the guys fired up and ready to play at 150% of their talent level. We need someone out on the field to motivate our guys.

 

I believe the guy Charles is referring to is the RB from Oklahoma St., Samaje Perine.

he is from Oklahoma and he is a good player Corey Coleman is good but the knock on him is route running and the past Baylor WRs have not had much success in the NFL only exception is Josh Gordon and we know his issues

[Winchester]

Mr Winchester sir, i sometimes enjoy reading your posts, but i would enjoy them much more if you could use paragraphs.  Its easier to respond to your thoughts that way.

I do, sometimes, but when I post them it all clogs together like I never used a space between paragraphs. However last night I did not use paragraphs lol, I was flicking back between the post and work. But thanx dude!!lol

[usmccharles]

I do, sometimes, but when I post them it all clogs together like I never used a space between paragraphs. However last night I did not use paragraphs lol, I was flicking back between the post and work. But thanx dude!!lol

haha I know what you mean, I just find myself wanting to respond but by the time I get to th end I can't remember what to respond to lol

[Winchester]

haha I know what you mean, I just find myself wanting to respond but by the time I get to th end I can't remember what to respond to lol

Yeah It probably shows that I flick between the post and something else. I will begin proofreading before posting

[usmccharles]

Yeah It probably shows that I flick between the post and something else. I will begin proofreading before posting

looking forward to it

[PurpleCity5]

Will Hill is our playmaker on defense. It's always him

He is our sole playmaker on the defensive side of the ball. You need more than one guy on defense who can make plays. We only had 6 INTs this year, good for worst in the league. Turnovers were also a problem on for our secondary last year as well if I can recall.

[PurpleCity5]

Jalen Ramsey not on your list? I do not understand why people on here hate Ramsey on here. He was FSU's defense last year

I have no hate for Ramsey at all, he is soaring to me and I actually like him as a CB option here, although I'll admit I have concerns about him, I feel that he has an extremely high ceiling, but this wasn't a list of the best players in the draft but rather best playmakers. I don't see Ramsey as that much of a playmaker yet. For the whole year he had 0 INTs, last year he had 2, and the year before that had only 1, adding up to just 3 INTs his whole career at Florida State. I'm not saying he will never develop into a playmaker, I just feel as of now he just has not proven that he is.

[PurpleCity5]

I think a guy that gets looked over a lot on the forums is Corey Coleman. Everyone is very public about his drive to win at everything he does, and you can see in his instinct as a competitor.

 

I think the terms playmaker and vocal leaders get mixed up and used interchangeably when in my mind they are very different. I think the latter is what this team really needs which is why Jalen Ramsey is a guy that a lot of people will talk about up until the draft. When we had Ray Lewis and Ed Reed on defense our team was great, we made average defensive players look great. This wasn't just because we had playmakers (which we certainly had more of and are lacking), but it was because we had those guys as vocal leaders on our team that could get the guys fired up and ready to play at 150% of their talent level. We need someone out on the field to motivate our guys.

 

I believe the guy Charles is referring to is the RB from Oklahoma St., Samaje Perine.

 

he is from Oklahoma and he is a good player Corey Coleman is good but the knock on him is route running and the past Baylor WRs have not had much success in the NFL only exception is Josh Gordon and we know his issues

Like Wildabeast said there is a common fear of Baylor WRs, this may be due to the spread offense they run, it doesn't demand you to run NFL caliber routes and players who come from it typically have trouble reading defense, however Baylor WRs who have been drafted recently are Josh Gordon, Terrence Williams and Kendall Wright, they have been successful in the NFL so it really depends on who you are confident with. 

[January J]

Jalen Ramsey not on your list? I do not understand why people on here hate Ramsey on here. He was FSU's defense last year

he mentioned him, but our secondary needs ballhawks, and Ramsey had zero interceptions.

[Baltimore RAYvens]

You can teach the route tree, you can't teach desire. We need guys with desire. That's something I think we can all agree on

[Wildabeast88]

You can teach the route tree, you can't teach desire. We need guys with desire. That's something I think we can all agree on

I agree with you here however what was the knock on Torrey Smith he couldn't learn the route tree so in 4 years if the WR coach's couldn't teach that I would rather go with Treadwell in the 1st or someone like Boyd in the 2nd who can run routes

[PurpleCity5]

very good post. I too think our first pick will come down to those 5 guys. Lt is definitely a need, but the more I think about it I think Ozzie will stand pat and be comfortable going into the season with monroe. Either that or we cut Monroe and retain KO. A guy like Dahl can be had in the latter rounds, and like you said , the need for a playmaker is huge. If Tunsil falls that's a different story, and I do think Ozzie will like stanley, but he Will feel the pressure for a playmaker. Everybody says Ramsey is best known as a playmaker..But like you said he doesn't have any interceptions- something we drastically need. I hear your argument about our close games and how a play making receiver could have made the difference with one or two plays..But the other side of that is if we had a play making cb that created some turnovers , some of those games may not have even gotten to that point. Unfortunately there really are no ballhawking cbs that have enough value to be taken at 6. And as much as I like the idea of a shut down corner opposite jimmy..I think one can be had in the later rounds. Just using the process of elimination - all signs just keep pointing back to treadwell. Add in the fact that trestman is running the offense now and his love for big receivers, along with the uncertainty of perriman and I think it becomes even more clear. Trestman will probably try to use the duo similar to how he used Jeffrey and marshall. Not to mention the fact that Treadwell probably can still be had even after trading back a few spots. That just has to be the best case scenario in my mind- and it will give us the ammunition for more playmakers in the later rounds..while immediately giving a boost to our offense and giving Joe another big bodied receiver to pair with Perriman. The only better alternative in my mind is if bosa fell to us - in which we would have to pounce. Fortunately the Treadwell scenario is much more likely..and one we should take advantage of to keep up with our rivals in the north.

If Tunsil drops its a different story, but under the assumption he doesn't then I don't think we'll take a LT unless K.O walks. If we look at K.O as a potential LT for us, then lets settle with that and move on. Personally I think Monroe would be a goner in that case, you could use the extra $2M and all he would do is be chilling on the 53-Man roster, why pay a guy $7.5M to do that? 

 

This offense and defense needs playmakers badly, like really badly. What playmakers do is not only make plays when you need them, but they keep opposing offenses/defenses very fearful. They are an important aspect of every game and could decide how far you will go in the post-season. 

 

I really feel that there are three most important attributes for our draft:

 

1.) Fill in a need

 

2.) Hit on the pick

 

3.) Make sure he is a playmaker. 

 

When I look at Treadwell, he fills in all of that. I was against picking Treadwell but the more I think about it, the more I realize just what he would do for our team. 

 

Now, that's not to say if he isn't a proven playmaker that you avoid him, I wouldn't want us to avoid Ramsey and Alexander because of that, but if a player could fill in three of those qualities, then he should be our guy at pick number 6.

[Robbyrobbass]

Laquan Treadwell

[GrimCoconut]

Alexander may not have the turnovers in college but I absolutely believe he'll get them as a pro. All you need to do is watch him and you'll see he anticipates the throw and that will eventually put him in position to intercept the ball.

I still like Hargreaves but I sorta like Alexander more for us now because I think he's more of a playmaker and reads better than most other CB.

Ramsey has become criminally underrated. He's a very good prospect who I really believe can play CB as a pro. He'd certainly be an ideal fit across from Jimmy. He's one of the better prospects but he carries risk due to his reward. I wouldn't be surprised if we selected him.

I know we're stacked at TE but I'd really like Howard. He's a true playmaker and he'd be a great addition here. He should significantly reward us in the redzone.

Edited January 14, 2016 by GrimCoconut

[JoeyFlex5]

Alexander may not have the turnovers in college but I absolutely believe he'll get them as a pro. All you need to do is watch him and you'll see he anticipates the throw and that will eventually put him in position to intercept the ball.

I still like Hargreaves but I sorta like Alexander more for us now because I think he's more of a playmaker and reads better than most other CB.

Ramsey has become criminally underrated. He's a very good prospect who I really believe can play CB as a pro. He'd certainly be an ideal fit across from Jimmy. He's one of the better prospects but he carries risk due to his reward. I wouldn't be surprised if we selected him.

I know we're stacked at TE but I'd really like Howard. He's a true playmaker and he'd be a great addition here. He should significantly reward us in the redzone.

I'll admit I hadn't looked into Howard, but after that ship I am impressed. I don't even see him as a TE, with the way he plays and at that speed with that quickness and that wingspan, dude looks like a legit #1 wr. I may need to look into him more but he is intriguing for us If we could convert him to play at across from perriman, that would just be one sick nasty aerial attack

[GrimCoconut]

I'll admit I hadn't looked into Howard, but after that ship I am impressed. I don't even see him as a TE, with the way he plays and at that speed with that quickness and that wingspan, dude looks like a legit #1 wr. I may need to look into him more but he is intriguing for us If we could convert him to play at across from perriman, that would just be one sick nasty aerial attack

I'd sooner force teams to try to cover him with a linebacker or safety. Lol

[jazz1988]

I agree with you here however what was the knock on Torrey Smith he couldn't learn the route tree so in 4 years if the WR coach's couldn't teach that I would rather go with Treadwell in the 1st or someone like Boyd in the 2nd who can run routes

 

Even with Torrey Smith issues he still was productive.Not every receiver will be great route runners but if they can be productive  then that's fine. Usually a receiver has to be good at route running period or that won't survive long in The NFl.

[nishadrahman13]

I'll admit I hadn't looked into Howard, but after that ship I am impressed. I don't even see him as a TE, with the way he plays and at that speed with that quickness and that wingspan, dude looks like a legit #1 wr. I may need to look into him more but he is intriguing for us If we could convert him to play at across from perriman, that would just be one sick nasty aerial attack

He's a wide receiver to me too, would be interesting if he can run the full route tree etc etc. Plus he's never had to deal with catching too many balls so that could be new for him. If he's there in the 3rd, that would be abuse.

[Wildabeast88]

Even with Torrey Smith issues he still was productive.Not every receiver will be great route runners but if they can be productive  then that's fine. Usually a receiver has to be good at route running period or that won't survive long in The NFl.

I agree I was one of the bigger Supporters of Torrey on here I am saying if route running is Coleman's issue I would rather have a more polished route runner like Treadwell or Boyd

[PurpleCity5]

I agree I was one of the bigger Supporters of Torrey on here I am saying if route running is Coleman's issue I would rather have a more polished route runner like Treadwell or Boyd

I think Coleman can develop into a great route runner. I think his quickness and footwork can translate into that. I do like Treadwell and Boyd more and both are playmakers. 

[January J]

My updated board for us.

1) Tunsil ( if KO walks)

2) Bosa ( debated going Buckner here..But I think we have to go with the guy who directly fills a need.

3) Buckner

4) Ramsey ( would have him down further but I think Ozzie will really want him if the top 3 are gone.

5)Stanley

6) Treadwell

7) Alexander

8) Vh3

9) Robinson

10)Jack

12)Floyd

13)Lawson

14)Smith

15)Apple

16)Elliot

17)Thomas

18)Yannick

19)Boyd

20)Fuller

Edited January 14, 2016 by January J