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I think you missed Truth's point.  Correct me if im wrong Truth, but he is basically saying you make all these claims of knowing this info without any type of source, link, reasoning...etc. You just state things with nothing to back up what you said.  anyways...

 

when you say Wright, do you mean Kendal Wright?

 

That's basically the gist of it, yes. I'd prefer to see some palpable back up to the claim.

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Many players hope to run better. Forsett hoped to break 4.24 although he never broke a computer timed sub 4.3. And Campanaro did run a 4.39 or a 4.37. Although I do agree 4.45 is his playspeed which is fine. Even if he doesn't gain a half step with the new age training he is doing. 4.45 is quite fine. I do not think Cooks looks 4.33. A little faster than Michael but not 4.33. Of course a lot goes into playspeed. There is tons of factors that slow a receiver in games. And help receivers look faster. Like Marqise Lee. When he ran a 4.50 coaches and scouts in attendance were shellshocked. He would have been more pro ready as far as technique if he took the scholarship to Florida. Paul Richardson looks like he could run a sub 4.3. As a matter of fact I heard he ran a low of 4.27. Speaking of weapons, just curious, what receivers do you like that are young and could be studs but have yet to breakout cuz of nagging injuries or bad,coaching,schemes,QBs,motivation and or teams. That the ravens could acquire in free agency or trade. I like Marqise and Paul. I like Quick, Riley Cooper and Wright a little as well so far.

 

That wasn't the point. The point is that the only credible figure I found from Campanaro's past was his school figure of 4.41, which was likely hand timed. Therefore, the only aspect I could go by was his interview, more specifically the fact that he didn't feel that the 4.46 was a disappointment, meaning that he likely hasn't surpassed a 4.4 when the test computer timed. If you have a source to share, then be my guest. As it stands, I have no idea where you're pooling your numbers from and I've seen too many scenarios in the past wherein the numbers shared in our debates were alarmingly inaccurate, so I can't in good conscience accept the results without evidence. 4.46 is more certainly good enough, there's no question there. That being said, I've seen Cooks play to his timed speed. My only issue with Cooks regarding his speed is that his strides are rather short given his lower body length.

 

With regards to the latter, I don't have a concrete opinion on Lee. I fell in love with the highlight tapes initially, but the tape raised some concerns, especially with regards to the issues in traffic. He's struggled in the past two seasons, and the porous firsthand account in Baltimore left a sour taste in most mouths. I assume there's untapped potential there so it all depends on the compensation I suppose. I wasn't overly high on Paul Richardson's tape. I personally don't see him playing close to the 4.2 speed, and again I'm not sure where you're drawing the figures from. Riley Cooper would be ghastly. I thought he was largely inept in finding separation this season and was rendered a starter by default due to lack of talent and experience at the position. He'll be turning 29 as the season begins, so I would be surprised if he'd surpass Kamar Aiken. I wouldn't mind Brian Quick if his shoulder issues are behind him. I'd certainly be pleased with Kendall Wright, especially since it wouldn't require a backbreaking commitment. Alshon Jeffery would be a godsend, though the acquisition is unlikely. Honestly, there aren't many options out there in FA that I'd prefer over drafting a WR.

Edited January 22, 2016 by -Truth-

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That wasn't the point. The point is that the only credible figure I found from Campanaro's past was his school figure of 4.41, which was likely hand timed. Therefore, the only aspect I could go by was his interview, more specifically the fact that he didn't feel that the 4.46 was a disappointment, meaning that he likely hasn't surpassed a 4.4 when the test computer timed. If you have a source to share, then be my guest. As it stands, I have no idea where you're pooling your numbers from and I've seen too many scenarios in the past wherein the numbers shared in our debates were alarmingly inaccurate, so I can't in good conscience accept the results without evidence. 4.46 is more certainly good enough, there's no question there. That being said, I've seen Cooks play to his timed speed. My only issue with Cooks regarding his speed is that his strides are rather short given his lower body length. With regards to the latter, I don't have a concrete opinion on Lee. I fell in love with the highlight tapes initially, but the tape raised some concerns, especially with regards to the issues in traffic. He's struggled in the past two seasons, and the porous firsthand account in Baltimore left a sour taste in most mouths. I assume there's untapped potential there so it all depends on the compensation I suppose. I wasn't overly high on Paul Richardson's tape. I personally don't see him playing close to the 4.2 speed, and again I'm not sure where you're drawing the figures from. Riley Cooper would be ghastly. I thought he was largely inept in finding separation this season and was rendered a starter by default due to lack of talent and experience at the position. He'll be turning 29 as the season begins, so I would be surprised if he'd surpass Kamar Aiken. I wouldn't mind Brian Quick if his shoulder issues are behind him. I'd certainly be pleased with Kendall Wright, especially since it wouldn't require a backbreaking commitment. Alshon Jeffery would be a godsend, though the acquisition is unlikely. Honestly, there aren't many options out there in FA that I'd prefer over drafting a WR.

To be honest with you I do not remember where I heard the 4.37 or 4.39. As for Richardson and the 4.27 I heard that on an ESPN show. But I do think he is very fast. Maybe not 4.27 playspeed but definitely sub 4.4. I always liked Jeff Janis. I heard he ran consistent sub 4.4's leading to his workouts but I never asked if it was computer timed. But every time I hear talk about him, it is usually how fast he is. But there is not a chance in hell the packers will trade him. He is the eventual #1 for the packers. He will surpass Adams who was heavily pushed to be a primary receiver although Janis is the more talented athlete. He finally got opportunity that was overdue cuz of Adams unspectacular games. I liked Abbrederis and Hurns about equally(except except for Abbrederis being underpowered) coming out of college. Ravens actually could of snatched Abbrederis from the practice squad. Alshon has not played at a pro bowl level ever since he played with Marshall. I would not pay him no $12-14mil a year. I would prefer trade for or drafting a receiver. I know one of the peeps who recruited Riley Cooper and have always rooted for him. I think QB play is his problem and would like to see him with the ravens. His work ethic could use a kick for sure!!

Edited January 22, 2016 by Winchester

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To be honest with you I do not remember where I heard the 4.37 or 4.39. As for Richardson and the 4.27 I heard that on an ESPN show. But I do think he is very fast. Maybe not 4.27 playspeed but definitely sub 4.4. I always liked Jeff Janis. I heard he ran consistent sub 4.4's leading to his workouts but I never asked if it was computer timed. But every time I hear talk about him, it is usually how fast he is. But there is not a chance in hell the packers will trade him. He is the eventual #1 for the packers. He will surpass Adams who was heavily pushed to be a primary receiver although Janis is the more talented athlete. He finally got opportunity that was overdue cuz of Adams unspectacular games. I liked Abbrederis and Hurns about equally(except except for Abbrederis being underpowered) coming out of college. Ravens actually could of snatched Abbrederis from the practice squad. Alshon has not played at a pro bowl level ever since he played with Marshall. I would not pay him no $12-14mil a year. I would prefer trade for or drafting a receiver. I know one of the peeps who recruited Riley Cooper and have always rooted for him. I think QB play is his problem and would like to see him with the ravens. His work ethic could use a kick for sure!!

Richardson has speed. Though it's beyond early to proclaim him as Green Bay's future No.1 WR, Janis looked terrific against Arizona. He finished the regular season on a disappointing note after failing to reel in a target in 4 of the 5 games he was thrown at, but a number of those throws didn't help matters. It's safe to say that he's likely earned himself a larger audition moving forward. I wasn't high on Adams when he was coming out and I agree that his leash was longer than expected, especially after the debacle of a performance against Chicago late in the season. That being said, I have no idea how Jeffrey's season can be described anywhere near a downer in comparison to his prior two. Despite being hobbled for most the year, he was unstoppable at times en route to 807 yards and 4 scores in just 9 games. And those were paper GPs. He either left with injuries or was on a snap count for numerous contests. When on the field in 2015, he was easily Pro-Bowl caliber, better than he looked in his 2014 campaign. That his performance is being criticized is baffling considering how gracious the other assessments have been for players who didn't perform at near his level. That being said, the injuries are a major concern for Jeffery. I've seen quite a bit of Riley and I personally can't blame his failures mostly on his situation. Given his age and limited ceiling, I would be surprised if he's able to push Aiken for playing time, and I expect Aiken to be no higher than a No.3. I don't see a reason to bring him along.

Edited January 23, 2016 by -Truth-