Stunned after Saturday

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

 To clear something up lost said. Cooks is not far more explosive than Campanaro. He is faster and more explosive but not by much.

Yes he is. If Campanaro wasn't too far behind Cooks he wouldn't have gone in the 7th round. 

 

I can't believe this. I like the ceiling of Campanaro and I have to trash him by virtue. 

 

Cooks was drafted because not only is he one of the faster players in the NFL, but he has a ridiculous ability to make people miss. One Campanaro simply does not have. And Cooks plays at that speed. Campanaro is clearly fast but Cooks is so much more faster and explosive. In fact, I like Cooks so much that I think he eventually turns into the best slot WR in the NFL. I wanted us to draft him, and he's turned into a good WR already. 

 

 

Like. 

http://giant.gfycat.com/SlimDimAzurevase.gif

 

That right there? Effortless? His burst is far superior. I would find the other one of him breaking the ankles of an NFL DB hard but I cannot find it sadly. But sorry. He's so much more explosive then most nfl WRs. Not just Camp

[Winchester]

Yes he is. If Campanaro wasn't too far behind Cooks he wouldn't have gone in the 7th round. 

 

I can't believe this. I like the ceiling of Campanaro and I have to trash him by virtue. 

 

Cooks was drafted because not only is he one of the faster players in the NFL, but he has a ridiculous ability to make people miss. One Campanaro simply does not have. And Cooks plays at that speed. Campanaro is clearly fast but Cooks is so much more faster and explosive. In fact, I like Cooks so much that I think he eventually turns into the best slot WR in the NFL. I wanted us to draft him, and he's turned into a good WR already. 

 

 

Like. 

http://giant.gfycat.com/SlimDimAzurevase.gif

 

That right there? Effortless? His burst is far superior. I would find the other one of him breaking the ankles of an NFL DB hard but I cannot find it sadly. But sorry. He's so much more explosive then most nfl WRs. Not just Camp

Shiftier and smoother not that much faster. One of my knocks on him is although sudden Campanaro is not real silky smooth and can alert players to his intentions. Same with wrestling. Essential to not alert your opponents of intentions through smooth movements.

[-Truth-]

Yes he is. If Campanaro wasn't too far behind Cooks he wouldn't have gone in the 7th round. 

 

I can't believe this. I like the ceiling of Campanaro and I have to trash him by virtue. 

 

Cooks was drafted because not only is he one of the faster players in the NFL, but he has a ridiculous ability to make people miss. One Campanaro simply does not have. And Cooks plays at that speed. Campanaro is clearly fast but Cooks is so much more faster and explosive. In fact, I like Cooks so much that I think he eventually turns into the best slot WR in the NFL. I wanted us to draft him, and he's turned into a good WR already. 

 

 

Like. 

http://giant.gfycat.com/SlimDimAzurevase.gif

 

That right there? Effortless? His burst is far superior. I would find the other one of him breaking the ankles of an NFL DB hard but I cannot find it sadly. But sorry. He's so much more explosive then most nfl WRs. Not just Camp

 

Here's another good example (Link). And if we're using the Combine numbers as the be-all and end-all for whatever reason, Cooks' 4.33 is significantly faster than that of Campanaro's 4.46.

Edited January 17, 2016 by -Truth-

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Here's another good example (Link). And if we're using the Combine numbers as the be-all and end-all for whatever reason, Cooks' 4.33 is significantly faster than that of Campanaro's 4.46.

Yup. So much more burst and a lot smoother than most in and out of his breaks. 

[Winchester]

Here's another good example (Link). And if we're using the Combine numbers as the be-all and end-all for whatever reason, Cooks' 4.33 is significantly faster than that of Campanaro's 4.46.

4.33 to 4.46 is barely a step lol. And Campanaro has run sub 4.4 computer times. And for the record I would prefer cooks. But Campanaro could be a very good player

Edited January 17, 2016 by Winchester

[-Truth-]

4.33 to 4.46 is barely a step lol. And Campanaro has run sub 4.4 computer times. And for the record I would prefer cooks. But Campanaro could be a very good player

 

lol .13 is a substantial difference. Campanaro ran a 4.41 in high school. Haven't seen any reports about a sub 4.4 performance. It doesn't mean there aren't any out there, but the point still stands. He was also complementary of his the 4.4 he ran at the Combine, meaning it wasn't a disappointment in his eyes, which implies that it was his target range. He's also not a 4.3 player on tape. Granted that he doesn't have to be. I like his potential and feel like he can be an asset to this offense. He has to remain healthy, however, before he's even considered among some of the names mentioned. Obviously Cooks is superior. That's a no brainer.

Edited January 17, 2016 by -Truth-

[Cillmatic]

Why are you people talking about Campanero? He only plays like 5 snaps a season.

[jimjim5]

Camp IS a special player.

[FlackAttack]

op of this thread is clueless. bengals are downward spiral after last week for many obvious reasons. steelers prime days are also dwindling. big ben has maybe 2 more years at most of relevant play. and the browns, well they are the browns.

 

we have nowhere to go but up, with Flacco still in his prime and a bunch of young guys, we just need a smart financial off season. if i had to invest in any team in AFC north it would easily be the ravens. sure we had a down year, but being within 8 points almost every loss just proves one or two play makers on this team can make that much of a difference. steelers will continue to be our only competition 2-3 years into the future because of their young talent of WR's. although their defense is not good and wont be anytime in the near future.

 

as someone else mentioned, this years playoffs have actually been sloppy play for the most part. the whole NFL this year was just bad.

Edited January 18, 2016 by FlackAttack

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

As much as I'm arguing with Winchester, I don't disagree. This offense has potential. Not as loaded as the Steelers persae but the Steelers' defense is their downfall. 

 

Defense wins championships. Bar none.What truly killed us this year is losing Ngata and McPhee. We lose Suggs but still have those two, we have a better unit guaranteed. 

 

 

The offense could use another piece. It's true. Another WR or another playmaker. 

 

Fact of the matter is. We have Crockett. A pretty good TE. Buck and West compliment each other well, and Perriman is so much better than most give him credit for. He is significantly more polished than Torrey was coming out. At worst I think he's Torrey 2.0. Which is fine. Torrey was a pretty good WR. 

 

But we need another piece. Whether it's another RB, or another olinemen, or another WR. We could use the help.  

[FlackAttack]

As much as I'm arguing with Winchester, I don't disagree. This offense has potential. Not as loaded as the Steelers persae but the Steelers' defense is their downfall. 

 

Defense wins championships. Bar none.What truly killed us this year is losing Ngata and McPhee. We lose Suggs but still have those two, we have a better unit guaranteed. 

 

 

The offense could use another piece. It's true. Another WR or another playmaker. 

 

Fact of the matter is. We have Crockett. A pretty good TE. Buck and West compliment each other well, and Perriman is so much better than most give him credit for. He is significantly more polished than Torrey was coming out. At worst I think he's Torrey 2.0. Which is fine. Torrey was a pretty good WR. 

 

But we need another piece. Whether it's another RB, or another olinemen, or another WR. We could use the help.  

 

buck and west are NOT the answer at RB

[Militant X 1]

As much as I'm arguing with Winchester, I don't disagree. This offense has potential. Not as loaded as the Steelers persae but the Steelers' defense is their downfall. 

 

Defense wins championships. Bar none.What truly killed us this year is losing Ngata and McPhee. We lose Suggs but still have those two, we have a better unit guaranteed. 

 

 

The offense could use another piece. It's true. Another WR or another playmaker. 

 

Fact of the matter is. We have Crockett. A pretty good TE. Buck and West compliment each other well, and Perriman is so much better than most give him credit for. He is significantly more polished than Torrey was coming out. At worst I think he's Torrey 2.0. Which is fine. Torrey was a pretty good WR. 

 

But we need another piece. Whether it's another RB, or another olinemen, or another WR. We could use the help.  

 

In all honesty, how do you know that?  The man hasn't taking one snap or played in one game in the NFL as of yet. 

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

In all honesty, how do you know that? The man hasn't taking one snap or played in one game in the NFL as of yet.

Because he's a significantly better prospect than Torrey was in college. Has stronger hands, is a lot better of a route runner, is more physical, just as fast, bigger coming out of college. Torrey turned out to be a good wr.

Perriman might never turn out to be a superstar or anything but his floor is higher than most think

[757RavensFan]

Because he's a significantly better prospect than Torrey was in college. Has stronger hands, is a lot better of a route runner, is more physical, just as fast, bigger coming out of college. Torrey turned out to be a good wr.

Perriman might never turn out to be a superstar or anything but his floor is higher than most think

 

Using that philosophy, he'll also be better than the Steelers Antonio Brown?  

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Using that philosophy, he'll also be better than the Steelers Antonio Brown?

Not fair. Both Perriman and Torrey played in more well known programs than CMU . People were skeptical of the outer competition for Brown.

And actually, if he becomes a better route runner then there's a possibility be becomes elite. Sky high ceiling.

Not my point. His floor is higher than most think. at the very worst you get a physical deep threat

[The Raven]

Not fair. Both Perriman and Torrey played in more well known programs than CMU . People were skeptical of the outer competition for Brown.

And actually, if he becomes a better route runner then there's a possibility be becomes elite. Sky high ceiling.

Not my point. His floor is higher than most think. at the very worst you get a physical deep threat

 

I'm going to agree with you. Barring injury or a Sergio Kindle-esque screw up, Perriman's floor is where Torrey Smith was his rookie year. Perriman already showed a better all around skill set in college. To me, he was already pro ready, as well as fast. He had a route tree and great ball skills. The physicality he brings to the WR position also separates him from other WRs. All Torrey had was speed and mediocre hands. Perriman already has more speed and better hands. To me, it's a safe assumption that he'll bring our offense to the upper tier of the league.

 

Side note: Nice profile pic. Saw the season finale the other day, and I laughed my butt off at that scene.

[-Truth-]

Campanaro ran a 4.37 or 4.39 do not remember. But we are talking less than a tenth second. And it more about playing fast and sure of yourself. But I do agree 4.45 is about what Campanaos playspeed is. Let's take into account his work ethic and will to be great. He is practically living on a football training island. And he wants to recruit the new age techniques. And he has intelligence to play a step ahead. Of course I would prefer to have cooks as he is ready now. But even he has been kinda a disappointment. I do not think he plays to 4.33 all the time. I like Tyler Lockett far better than Cooks actually. If ravens draft tread and Perriman avoids injury I really like Campanaro from the slot as well as potential big plays from the slot. He Perriman and Tread could make a nice trio and complimenting skillsets.

 

Unless you have a source behind the numbers, I'm not inclined to take them at face value. I've ran into no such figures and Campanaro's proud demeanor about his 4.46 didn't imply that this was well below his past achievements. On the other hand, Cooks stated that he was hoping for an even smaller number. With that in mind, I'm standing pat on the difference, especially when it comes to the tape, which is the most relevant aspect in comparisons. Cooks was certainly inconsistent this season. But it's difficult at best to scoff at 84 catches, 1,139 yards and 9 scores. Nowhere near a disappointment in my book. I liked Lockett's tape. I thought he was a perfect fit with a QB who continuously improvises, he's flashed his ability this season as both a receiver and a returner, but he still has a ways to go before he's in the same conversation as Cooks, nevermind being far better than him. Steve Smith Sr. would eat into the playing time here, but that would be a pretty deep corps. If Campanaro stays healthy, he could develop into a solid option in the slot.

Edited January 20, 2016 by -Truth-

[Tru11]

Because he's a significantly better prospect than Torrey was in college. Has stronger hands, is a lot better of a route runner, is more physical, just as fast, bigger coming out of college. Torrey turned out to be a good wr.

Perriman might never turn out to be a superstar or anything but his floor is higher than most think

 

he ran a faster 40 then torrey and is bigger.

 

only reason he went in round 1.

 

if not for those 2 he would be a 2nd rounder as well.

 

he was actually graded lower then torrey coming out lel.

 

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/profiles/breshad-perriman?id=2552597

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2011/profiles/torrey-smith?id=2495459#tab=1

[Winchester]

Unless you have a source behind the numbers, I'm not inclined to take them at face value. I've ran into no such figures and Campanaro's proud demeanor about his 4.46 didn't imply that this was well below his past achievements. On the other hand, Cooks stated that he was hoping for an even smaller number. With that in mind, I'm standing pat on the difference, especially when it comes to the tape, which is the most relevant aspect in comparisons. Cooks was certainly inconsistent this season. But it's difficult at best to scoff at 84 catches, 1,139 yards and 9 scores. Nowhere near a disappointment in my book. I liked Lockett's tape. I thought he was a perfect fit with a QB who continuously improvises, he's flashed his ability this season as both a receiver and a returner, but he still has a ways to go before he's in the same conversation as Cooks, nevermind being far better than him. Steve Smith Sr. would eat into the playing time here, but that would be a pretty deep corps. If Campanaro stays healthy, he could develop into a solid option in the slot.

Many players hope to run better. Forsett hoped to break 4.24 although he never broke a computer timed sub 4.3. And Campanaro did run a 4.39 or a 4.37. Although I do agree 4.45 is his playspeed which is fine. Even if he doesn't gain a half step with the new age training he is doing. 4.45 is quite fine. I do not think Cooks looks 4.33. A little faster than Michael but not 4.33. Of course a lot goes into playspeed. There is tons of factors that slow a receiver in games. And help receivers look faster. Like Marqise Lee. When he ran a 4.50 coaches and scouts in attendance were shellshocked. He would have been more pro ready as far as technique if he took the scholarship to Florida. Paul Richardson looks like he could run a sub 4.3. As a matter of fact I heard he ran a low of 4.27. Speaking of weapons, just curious, what receivers do you like that are young and could be studs but have yet to breakout cuz of nagging injuries or bad,coaching,schemes,QBs,motivation and or teams. That the ravens could acquire in free agency or trade. I like Marqise and Paul. I like Quick, Riley Cooper and Wright a little as well so far.

[usmccharles]

Many players hope to run better. Forsett hoped to break 4.24 although he never broke a computer timed sub 4.3. And Campanaro did run a 4.39 or a 4.37. Although I do agree 4.45 is his playspeed which is fine. Even if he doesn't gain a half step with the new age training he is doing. 4.45 is quite fine. I do not think Cooks looks 4.33. A little faster than Michael but not 4.33. Of course a lot goes into playspeed. There is tons of factors that slow a receiver in games. And help receivers look faster. Like Marqise Lee. When he ran a 4.50 coaches and scouts in attendance were shellshocked. He would have been more pro ready as far as technique if he took the scholarship to Florida. Paul Richardson looks like he could run a sub 4.3. As a matter of fact I heard he ran a low of 4.27. Speaking of weapons, just curious, what receivers do you like that are young and could be studs but have yet to breakout cuz of nagging injuries or bad,coaching,schemes,QBs,motivation and or teams. That the ravens could acquire in free agency or trade. I like Marqise and Paul. I like Quick, Riley Cooper and Wright a little as well so far.

I think you missed Truth's point.  Correct me if im wrong Truth, but he is basically saying you make all these claims of knowing this info without any type of source, link, reasoning...etc. You just state things with nothing to back up what you said.  anyways...

 

when you say Wright, do you mean Kendal Wright?

[GrimCoconut]

he ran a faster 40 then torrey and is bigger.

only reason he went in round 1.

if not for those 2 he would be a 2nd rounder as well.

he was actually graded lower then torrey coming out lel.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/profiles/breshad-perriman?id=2552597

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2011/profiles/torrey-smith?id=2495459#tab=1

Been following the draft for some years now and these grades are rarely applicable to other prospects in years outside their own. I wouldn't use that as an argument to further your point. These grades rarely mean anything, too Edited January 20, 2016 by GrimCoconut

[Tru11]

Been following the draft for some years now and these grades are rarely applicable to other prospects in years outside their own. I wouldn't use that as an argument to further your point. These grades rarely mean anything, too

 

still when you read the strength and weaknesses and look at the work out numbers you can pretty much get a good picture of a prospect.

 

to say perriman was significantly better coming out then torrey is crazy.

[GrimCoconut]

still when you read the strength and weaknesses and look at the work out numbers you can pretty much get a good picture of a prospect.

to say perriman was significantly better coming out then torrey is crazy.

Eh, I don't know. I've read those profiles and, while I'm no professional, sometimes those reports seem off.

I've been closely following the draft since Flacco as I was too young to follow before him. I do think Breshad is a better prospect than Torrey, but the WR of late have been significantly better as well. Both Smith and Perriman had hand concerns coming out but I think Perriman is more of concentration and trying to think too much about his next move. Torrey's concerns didn't stem from this.

We'll see if he is a better player or not. I do think he's a better prospect, but I'm not sure if he's significantly better, of that I'll agree

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

still when you read the strength and weaknesses and look at the work out numbers you can pretty much get a good picture of a prospect.

 

to say perriman was significantly better coming out then torrey is crazy.

No it's not. Perriman's tape shows a physical, strong wr with the ability to box out DBs and out muscle him. Torrey was for lack of a better term, soft in both college and the pros. He's the very definition of a one trick pony. His route running? Worse than Breshad's was in college(and Breshad needs some work their), but at the very least he has a route tree. His hands? Perriman has the occasional drop, but holy crap he can also make some circus catches. 

 

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"But that's a lower level school". So what? Good coverage is good coverage? Torrey, never... EVER did that here, or in college if I can recall.

 

We drafted Torrey to be a deep threat. I think we saw something a little better with Perriman.

Edited January 20, 2016 by LosT_in_TranSlatioN

[Tru11]

No it's not. Perriman's tape shows a physical, strong wr with the ability to box out DBs and out muscle him. Torrey was for lack of a better term, soft in both college and the pros. He's the very definition of a one trick pony. His route running? Worse than Breshad's was in college(and Breshad needs some work their), but at the very least he has a route tree. His hands? Perriman has the occasional drop, but holy crap he can also make some circus catches. 

 

 http://SlimyGleefulHoatzin.gif

 

"But that's a lower level school". So what? Good coverage is good coverage? Torrey, never... EVER did that here, or in college if I can recall.

 

We drafted Torrey to be a deep threat. I think we saw something a little better with Perriman.

 

yeah we saw a bigger guy with 4.24 speed lol.

 

had he not run that 40 time and ran a 4.4 he would have been a 2nd round pick at the earliest.

 

that 40 time made him a first round pick , nothing else.

 

Their strengths and weaknesses show alot of similarity coming out but perriman might have a better upside due to his height and speed.

we still have to wait and see if its going to transpire to the NFL.

 

seriously stop comparing what torrey did in the pros to what perriman did in college.

its unfair and very biased.

 

if we are going to compare what both did in the pros so far , torrey has an huge edge.....

Edited January 21, 2016 by Tru11

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

yeah we saw a bigger guy with 4.24 speed lol.

had he not run that 40 time and ran a 4.4 he would have been a 2nd round pick at the earliest.

that 40 time made him a first round pick , nothing else.

Their strengths and weaknesses show alot of similarity coming out but perriman might have a better upside due to his height and speed.

we still have to wait and see if its going to transpire to the NFL.

seriously stop comparing what torrey did in the pros to what perriman did in college.

its unfair and very biased.

if we are going to compare what both did in the pros so far , torrey has an huge edge.....

Well no duh. But I wasn't saying that. I said Torrey was as soft now as he was in college. Cause let's face it, he is.

Oh and btw. Well before the blistering 40.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000470689/article/mayock-3-wide-receivers-are-top20-prospects-in-this-draft

Mayock, probably the most credible of the media scouts, claimed he was a first round talent. Flew under the radar though. The 40 time(aka the most overrated stat at the combine) got him drafted higher? No. I honestly see a first round talent at WR.

I can't believe this. Normally I'd defend Torrey left and right. But I have to trash one of my favorite non Ravens at this point. He's one of the best #2 WRs in the league. But to think he's anything more than a deep threat/speedster is.. Well foolish. He's just so good at that one dimension that he gets recognition.

Um.. In what way have I? Seriously. Torrey was just as soft in college and just as one dimensional.

Perriman has a full route tree under his belt(though it needs to be refined). Torrey even to this day basically runs the go. He has a few routes under his belt but Perriman as a prospect has a clear edge. He was under a pro offense.

Edge: Perriman

Perriman had more fluid hips in college and was thicker. He was straight up smooth at times. Torrey has that initial burst which helps him, but Perriman isn't lacking in that department.

Edge: Perriman

Perriman was not only taller and faster but significantly more physical in college than Torrey was. Willing to go fight for the ball and use his hands even if for the drop. Torrey in college never, ever did this.

Edge: Perriman

Torrey had issues as a body catcher(which have decreased now as a pro but continues to be an issue btw). Perriman has the occasional concentration drop but also has his fair share of circus catches. He's got stronger hands than Torrey did coming out of college

Edge Perriman

Perriman and Torrey are actually relatively equal in speed. Even most of the scouts there that hand timed it claimed it was mistimed and stated it was in the 4.3 range.

Edge: Even.

Torrey is overrated among here but is a good player. Did we miss him? Yes, because the offense lacked speed. We drafted Perriman because honestly, if you look at the tape, if he manages to fix the concentration drops he's going to be far more dangerous than Torrey ever was.

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

still when you read the strength and weaknesses and look at the work out numbers you can pretty much get a good picture of a prospect.

to say perriman was significantly better coming out then torrey is crazy.

Yes, but if you actually watch the tape you can clearly get a better understanding of both. And I'll let you in on a little secret. Most media scouts(with the exception of Matt Miller and Mayock, and a few others), only watch one or two games of tape. Not much. I followed UCF A LOT. Not because they're my team but my buddies told me about that awful QB of there's. Now that is unfair in my eyes. Every player has a bad game.

Also

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/profiles/breshad-perriman?id=2552597

www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/demaryius-thomas?id=497328

I guess DT was just a faster and more physical version of Torrey also right? Only thing they seemed to leave out is natural hands catcher? What, it's true. His form for catching is fine. Concentration is the issue, so his, unlike some, has fixable hands.

[Tru11]

Well no duh. But I wasn't saying that. I said Torrey was as soft now as he was in college. Cause let's face it, he is.

Oh and btw. Well before the blistering 40.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000470689/article/mayock-3-wide-receivers-are-top20-prospects-in-this-draft

Mayock, probably the most credible of the media scouts, claimed he was a first round talent. Flew under the radar though. The 40 time(aka the most overrated stat at the combine) got him drafted higher? No. I honestly see a first round talent at WR.

I can't believe this. Normally I'd defend Torrey left and right. But I have to trash one of my favorite non Ravens at this point. He's one of the best #2 WRs in the league. But to think he's anything more than a deep threat/speedster is.. Well foolish. He's just so good at that one dimension that he gets recognition.

Um.. In what way have I? Seriously. Torrey was just as soft in college and just as one dimensional.

Perriman has a full route tree under his belt(though it needs to be refined). Torrey even to this day basically runs the go. He has a few routes under his belt but Perriman as a prospect has a clear edge. He was under a pro offense.

Edge: Perriman

Perriman had more fluid hips in college and was thicker. He was straight up smooth at times. Torrey has that initial burst which helps him, but Perriman isn't lacking in that department.

Edge: Perriman

Perriman was not only taller and faster but significantly more physical in college than Torrey was. Willing to go fight for the ball and use his hands even if for the drop. Torrey in college never, ever did this.

Edge: Perriman

Torrey had issues as a body catcher(which have decreased now as a pro but continues to be an issue btw). Perriman has the occasional concentration drop but also has his fair share of circus catches. He's got stronger hands than Torrey did coming out of college

Edge Perriman

Perriman and Torrey are actually relatively equal in speed. Even most of the scouts there that hand timed it claimed it was mistimed and stated it was in the 4.3 range.

Edge: Even.

Torrey is overrated among here but is a good player. Did we miss him? Yes, because the offense lacked speed. We drafted Perriman because honestly, if you look at the tape, if he manages to fix the concentration drops he's going to be far more dangerous than Torrey ever was.

 

yeah ill take the scouting reports over your eye test lol.

its clear as day you are pretty biased because your UCF affiliation.

 

you keep  forgetting the ravens also had a 1st round grade on torrey.

he was among the top 32 players on their board.

 

heck many mocks had him going to us in round 1.

 

just because a guy has 1st round talent does not mean he will go in round 1 and vice versa.

 

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/bs-sp-ravens-torrey-smith-0430-20110429-story.html

Edited January 21, 2016 by Tru11

[Tru11]

Yes, but if you actually watch the tape you can clearly get a better understanding of both. And I'll let you in on a little secret. Most media scouts(with the exception of Matt Miller and Mayock, and a few others), only watch one or two games of tape. Not much. I followed UCF A LOT. Not because they're my team but my buddies told me about that awful QB of there's. Now that is unfair in my eyes. Every player has a bad game.

Also

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/profiles/breshad-perriman?id=2552597

www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/demaryius-thomas?id=497328

I guess DT was just a faster and more physical version of Torrey also right? Only thing they seemed to leave out is natural hands catcher? What, it's true. His form for catching is fine. Concentration is the issue, so his, unlike some, has fixable hands.

 

not sure what point you are trying to make here....

 

i get it you are biased towards perriman because you followed UCF

[LosT_in_TranSlatioN]

Lol, UCF bias? XUCLA fight fight fight. Season ticket holder. I'll admit I'm biased towards some of those players(was a BIG fan last year of Owa, and thought we should've drafted Kendricks had ha fallen to us last year, am a massive fan of Myles Jack)

Could care less for UCF as a program. Don't hate em, don't like em. Recorded and watched a ton of their games. Liked Perriman even with a cringeworthy drop here or there.

I just love college ball. Moreso than pro actually. Oh, and as for my "eye test", I can guarentee you others here have seen the same thing. I was talking about it on the phone with a few of them.

Not biased towards UCF at all. I didn't even follow them this year. I saw Bortles leave and wanted to see the(thankfully) hilarious results. Was this way with Oregon as well. I love college ball. Spend many a Saturday watching games, call me obsessed, it's freaking true. Followed UCF for the Lolz and found a good player . Hated Bortles(who I'm happy I was wrong about. Seems like a good guy so nothing against him), hated Worton, hell, after watching Jah Reid I hated him too. And we freaking drafted him. Loved Perriman coming out, and talking about Jose Jose was funny. It's like Cam Cameron. Who names their kid the same first and last name.

Nothing to do with why I liked Perriman. I liked his tape. Even with UCLA I hated Jonathan Franklin as a RB prospect and hate Paul Perkins this year. In fact, I'll be pissed if we draft Perk, even though he was a good college RB. I'll also be mad if we take Duarte anywhere before round 5. Jake Brendel is too small for pros etc etc.

I watched a lot of Perriman, but I also watched a ton of Phillip Dorsett(also had a terribad QB) and Brandin Cooks(int my conference... UCLA wanted him so badly) and I kind of wanted them more. You know why? They had better tape!

If we had taken Jaelen Strong over Perriman and Dorsett? I'd be furious. Strong couldn't seperate, was soft for his size, and wasn't that fast on the field.

Oh and funny story, after reading those scouting reports I was a bit sour on Perriman and in love with Jaelen strong. Then I watched the tape and saw a guy who's physical in addition to fast, and has stronger hands then the stupid scouting reports give him credit for.

Tape/live games>>>>>> scouting reports.

So claim I have UCF bias. UCLA bias? Yes. Proudly admit it. I have affiliation there. But Central Florida? No thanks. It's humid, and overall they rarely produce much for NFL. I think Perriman will be good though.

I guess since I also followed Alabama that I'm also biased towards them right? Nope. I hate them. They have some good players but they can burn as a program as far as I'm concerned.